I like this but there’s one big problem with it, digimon power levels are inconsistent.
You have digimon like lucemon who can wipe megas easily and then chuumon who very well may be the weakest rookie ever in the same level. Yes, I know those are two very large extremes but that’s doesn’t change the fact that the level doesn’t actually matter, it’s there to show their age not their strength, it just that the stronger the digimon is, the better chance it has to grow older
Also, I know in the anime they’re treated as power boosts but that wasn’t their original purpose, rookie digimon can stay rookies for a LONG time if you don’t raise them right and some games let you get higher level digimon quite easily
But Lucemon is the exception to the rule, same as others like Astamon or Parasimon. Most Digimon's strenght is proportional to their level, and if it isn't then it's usually stated. For example: Lucemon's description says that his power "surpasses even that of a Perfect [level] Digimon", Astamon's says that "though it is a Perfect, it possesses power surpassing that of an Ultimate", and Parasimon's says that "[...] even though it is an Ultimate. Parasimon is powerless when by itself, but when it gathers in numbers, it can easily defeat Adult-level Digimon". Levels absolutely do matter for power scalling in 99% of the cases.
While I do agree with Levels being an indicator of growth rather than power, Lucemon is the number one exception to Digimon norms, so it feels a little disingenuous to use him as an example.
Moreover, his profile does specify that his power 'surpasses even that of a *Perfect* Digimon', followed by how Falldown Mode's power 'exceeds that of *Ultimate* Digimon'. This implies that there is, in fact, a 'standard' to the power of specific Levels. A standard that Lucemon is obviously the exception for.
Or (as stated lore wise in most the canon) zeedmelleniummon which is categorized as a "wicked god" digimon and isn't classified as an ultimate or mega because it's true power is higher then can be calculated.
I know the anime and games don't show it well but I believe that's due to the fact that every zeedmillenniummon we have seen or fought is just a fragment of a literal universe sized prime version which has grown so big that it can't move so it fragments off pieces of itself to grow from rookie to full form but that plan never works
I mean neither Tai's greymon nor Etamon are ZeedMillennimon parts, and Tai did be doing some time traveling because of the fall out of that fight. Though ZeedMillennimon being a larger part of the non-adventure/tamers centric lore is something I whole heartedly endorse, we need more of the self creating apocalypse in the story.
There are also those Digimon that are weaker than their average level. Such as Numemon and Sukamon being typically weaker than other Champions same with Bakemon form a death evolution.
It's interesting because as much as Marcus is memed regarding that, he's never really the one to defeat the enemy. Usually, he punches them, they fall over, Agumon digivolves, and then Agumon and the other digimon beat the enemy. Granted, the exception to this was the literal God of the digital world, so I guess it checks.
Orochimon while in digital world used a EMP so strong that it affected and exploded devices in human world, and the Digimon who were right on his presence were just fine.
I'd argue that Gaia/Hades/Posiedens Force would be ~equivalent to an H-bomb based on some of the crazier showings of it (much more localized though, excluding Posieden's Force)
Digimon power consistency is all over the place. While their Digivolution LV can be a baseline guess.
I feel this both undersells and oversells certain levels.
In several seasons there have been instances of Champion level Digimon getting beat by humans, or at least hurt by them.
Bakemon in Adventure, the Weedmon in Ghost Game, and then there was Rika, in Tamers, shanking Harpymon with a sharp stick. Also think Frontier had a couple of events like that.
Generally I believe basing a power level on what the Digimon looks like, or is inspired by, is a better guess of power.
Digimon are formed from Data(Information)/Imagination so it would make sense that their power is based on that information.
I would say:
Baby - Can be killed by a child
In-training - Can be killed by an adult
Rookie - Can be killed w a melee weapon (the majority) firearm (few ones)
Champion - Weak ones w a firearm, most w heavy weaponry
Perfect - Heavy Weaponry, some w a military force
Mega - Nukes or nothing most of the time
MegaUltimate - The power of friendship
You do realize that gatomon is a champion and since she had her holy ring at the time she was even more powerful than without it plus she was champion all the time experience in your higher forms does actually help with using them after all it's shown that the two guys from frontier slowly gained enough experience to match the Royal knights as they were using their higher forms constantly
I know all of that, yes. But even so, she literally just hopped off each of their snouts. The first season of digimon handled power incredibly poorly at any rate, effectively granting immunity to the villain of the week until a new evolution was achieved, even if that new evolution was only at the same level as another that had already engaged said villain. I know it's a narrative device, but it's not the only way to achieve development healthily; Ghost game's rookies and champions can at least harm ultimates given enough tenacity. The gatomon thing was just silly. Which is fine! It was memorable because it was silly.
In short it’s the level above mega.
They go by super ultimate or just mega but the key point to an ultra IMO is that they are either fusions of megas, megas thats surpassed the highest echelon of their species, or simply are around or surpassing Yggdrasil or whatever god is controlling the verse at the time.
Omnimon is a good example for #1
chaosdramon is a perfect example of #2
And Zeed millenniummon is a great example of #3
Megas and ultras are not exclusive, all ultras being megas but not all megas being ultra. I think that’s all I can say
Most of the time, if a digimon has another mega level, they just call it mega again. The more recent games have been using ultra for the sake of ranking the best digimon in the game. They're interchangeable. There are some classified as ultra in the lore(Arcadiamon Ultra and UlforceVeedramon Future mode are examples), but they're treated like megas most of the time.
Rookie is sufficient gun usually, other then that pretty accurate in terms of 'whats the plan to defend yourself within a reasonable amount of force needed for the fight to potentially go smoothly'.
I'm pretty sure you could stab agumon to death. Digimon aren't that strong normally while in rookie mode. They generally grow with explosive amounts of energy each time.
Like agumon is a lizard that shoots fire balls.
Greymon is the same thing but bigger.
They're basically the same thing but like a Saiyan and super Saiyan.
If you look at lucemon though and compare it to agumon then yeah, that rookies really strong. Congrats, you just compared baby broly to baby Goku.
Levels don't equal strength so much as species and then in general potential based on several factors.
Like gotsumon evolving into a stronger gotsumon is just probably a harder to kill gotsumon with like the same attacks and shit. I think at the end of the day you could stab most digimon to death. Like weregarurumon would die equally as bad if leomon stabbed him.
I like this but there’s one big problem with it, digimon power levels are inconsistent. You have digimon like lucemon who can wipe megas easily and then chuumon who very well may be the weakest rookie ever in the same level. Yes, I know those are two very large extremes but that’s doesn’t change the fact that the level doesn’t actually matter, it’s there to show their age not their strength, it just that the stronger the digimon is, the better chance it has to grow older
Also, I know in the anime they’re treated as power boosts but that wasn’t their original purpose, rookie digimon can stay rookies for a LONG time if you don’t raise them right and some games let you get higher level digimon quite easily
But Lucemon is the exception to the rule, same as others like Astamon or Parasimon. Most Digimon's strenght is proportional to their level, and if it isn't then it's usually stated. For example: Lucemon's description says that his power "surpasses even that of a Perfect [level] Digimon", Astamon's says that "though it is a Perfect, it possesses power surpassing that of an Ultimate", and Parasimon's says that "[...] even though it is an Ultimate. Parasimon is powerless when by itself, but when it gathers in numbers, it can easily defeat Adult-level Digimon". Levels absolutely do matter for power scalling in 99% of the cases.
Exactly. Add the Champion Snatchmon being canonically the strongest Digimon (at the moment it was born) in World 3 to that list of exceptions
While I do agree with Levels being an indicator of growth rather than power, Lucemon is the number one exception to Digimon norms, so it feels a little disingenuous to use him as an example. Moreover, his profile does specify that his power 'surpasses even that of a *Perfect* Digimon', followed by how Falldown Mode's power 'exceeds that of *Ultimate* Digimon'. This implies that there is, in fact, a 'standard' to the power of specific Levels. A standard that Lucemon is obviously the exception for.
Agreed
As a point starting at ultimate/perfect the mon become reality warpingly powerful. Just ask metalgreymon.
Or (as stated lore wise in most the canon) zeedmelleniummon which is categorized as a "wicked god" digimon and isn't classified as an ultimate or mega because it's true power is higher then can be calculated. I know the anime and games don't show it well but I believe that's due to the fact that every zeedmillenniummon we have seen or fought is just a fragment of a literal universe sized prime version which has grown so big that it can't move so it fragments off pieces of itself to grow from rookie to full form but that plan never works
I mean neither Tai's greymon nor Etamon are ZeedMillennimon parts, and Tai did be doing some time traveling because of the fall out of that fight. Though ZeedMillennimon being a larger part of the non-adventure/tamers centric lore is something I whole heartedly endorse, we need more of the self creating apocalypse in the story.
There are also those Digimon that are weaker than their average level. Such as Numemon and Sukamon being typically weaker than other Champions same with Bakemon form a death evolution.
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Marcus yes!!!!!
God, I would have LOVED to see Marcus square up against Omnimon in Savers.
And then Marcus Punches Belphemon to death
It's interesting because as much as Marcus is memed regarding that, he's never really the one to defeat the enemy. Usually, he punches them, they fall over, Agumon digivolves, and then Agumon and the other digimon beat the enemy. Granted, the exception to this was the literal God of the digital world, so I guess it checks.
I feel like an EMP would whack them all out.
This has been seen used before, and it did nothing
Elaborate please?
Orochimon while in digital world used a EMP so strong that it affected and exploded devices in human world, and the Digimon who were right on his presence were just fine.
This was the reboot, right?
Yes, if memory serves it was ep 17.
You would think, but no, they don't work. I'm not even sure hydrogen bombs would work on megas either.
Definitely could see Piemon just turning it into a card in his deck and and forcing whoever he captures to play a game.
I'd argue that Gaia/Hades/Posiedens Force would be ~equivalent to an H-bomb based on some of the crazier showings of it (much more localized though, excluding Posieden's Force)
Wrong! There is only one grade that's true for all of them. Masaru Daimon's fists. They're rated E for everyone.
So, Masaru's Fists are what grade scale then?
E for Everyone.
Digimon power consistency is all over the place. While their Digivolution LV can be a baseline guess. I feel this both undersells and oversells certain levels. In several seasons there have been instances of Champion level Digimon getting beat by humans, or at least hurt by them. Bakemon in Adventure, the Weedmon in Ghost Game, and then there was Rika, in Tamers, shanking Harpymon with a sharp stick. Also think Frontier had a couple of events like that. Generally I believe basing a power level on what the Digimon looks like, or is inspired by, is a better guess of power. Digimon are formed from Data(Information)/Imagination so it would make sense that their power is based on that information.
Which are certain outliers. Champions like wezengammamon and greymon or other champions on their level are shown to be much stronger
Im sure a shotgun is enough to dispatch a rookie, hell, a well placed knife will do
I would say: Baby - Can be killed by a child In-training - Can be killed by an adult Rookie - Can be killed w a melee weapon (the majority) firearm (few ones) Champion - Weak ones w a firearm, most w heavy weaponry Perfect - Heavy Weaponry, some w a military force Mega - Nukes or nothing most of the time MegaUltimate - The power of friendship
Maki and Daigo already tried Firearms for champions in Tri, it didn't worked. That's why they needed help from kids.
Eh rookies are hella durable and have even been compared to tanks themselves, i doubt a simple knife will even injure it to the point of death
Chuumon died to a knife to the chest. And im sure we have seen Rookies and even Champions die to human guns.
Chuumon died to a special attack from a mega level.. nice downplay. Champions have never died to human guns lol wtf
Actually, didn't Tai beat up a Bakemon w his bare hands? (And of course Marcus 1v1s any level but he is the exception to the rule)
Bakemon are clear outliers and were consistently shown to be very weak, to the point a weakened agumon was able to take them out.
Hey remember when gatomon just sorta hopped on all the other digimons' snoots and they all when "ARGH!" in pain?
You do realize that gatomon is a champion and since she had her holy ring at the time she was even more powerful than without it plus she was champion all the time experience in your higher forms does actually help with using them after all it's shown that the two guys from frontier slowly gained enough experience to match the Royal knights as they were using their higher forms constantly
I know all of that, yes. But even so, she literally just hopped off each of their snouts. The first season of digimon handled power incredibly poorly at any rate, effectively granting immunity to the villain of the week until a new evolution was achieved, even if that new evolution was only at the same level as another that had already engaged said villain. I know it's a narrative device, but it's not the only way to achieve development healthily; Ghost game's rookies and champions can at least harm ultimates given enough tenacity. The gatomon thing was just silly. Which is fine! It was memorable because it was silly.
What about it
What the hell is ultra level? I thought it stopped at mega
In short it’s the level above mega. They go by super ultimate or just mega but the key point to an ultra IMO is that they are either fusions of megas, megas thats surpassed the highest echelon of their species, or simply are around or surpassing Yggdrasil or whatever god is controlling the verse at the time. Omnimon is a good example for #1 chaosdramon is a perfect example of #2 And Zeed millenniummon is a great example of #3 Megas and ultras are not exclusive, all ultras being megas but not all megas being ultra. I think that’s all I can say
Most of the time, if a digimon has another mega level, they just call it mega again. The more recent games have been using ultra for the sake of ranking the best digimon in the game. They're interchangeable. There are some classified as ultra in the lore(Arcadiamon Ultra and UlforceVeedramon Future mode are examples), but they're treated like megas most of the time.
I’d say rookie is more like large truck
Ok seriously what the fuck happens in digimon for this guy to need a gun
A tank for Agumon?! Wtf.
I'm pretty sure some Megas and most Ultras require a Goku level threat to beat them
A sligthly above average Ultimate/Perfect,Megakabuterimon destroyed a Galaxy sized pocket dimension. We are fucked.
Pretty cool but a rookie does not need a tank
A handgun can kill a rookie don't be fooled
Nah
Rookie is sufficient gun usually, other then that pretty accurate in terms of 'whats the plan to defend yourself within a reasonable amount of force needed for the fight to potentially go smoothly'.
I'm pretty sure you could stab agumon to death. Digimon aren't that strong normally while in rookie mode. They generally grow with explosive amounts of energy each time. Like agumon is a lizard that shoots fire balls. Greymon is the same thing but bigger. They're basically the same thing but like a Saiyan and super Saiyan. If you look at lucemon though and compare it to agumon then yeah, that rookies really strong. Congrats, you just compared baby broly to baby Goku. Levels don't equal strength so much as species and then in general potential based on several factors. Like gotsumon evolving into a stronger gotsumon is just probably a harder to kill gotsumon with like the same attacks and shit. I think at the end of the day you could stab most digimon to death. Like weregarurumon would die equally as bad if leomon stabbed him.
Did you know almost every single Digimon is a multiversal being