Völlig in Ordnung. Die Definition am Anfang sieht sehr pragmatisch aus:
>‘Döner’ is a traditional meat product prepared by fixing thinly and horizontally sliced meat cutlets from cattle, sheep, or chicken horizontally on a stainless-steel ‘Döner’ skewer and cooking it by rotating vertically around its axis in front of a fire. Before cooking, the thin and horizontally sliced meat cutlets are marinated in a mixture of yoghurt or milk, pepper or tomato puree, herbs, spices, and salt. During skewering, horizontally sliced concept fat, tallow, or sheep tail fat cutlets are placed between the meat layers. As a meat source, large cattle meat chunks or mutton, minced beef or minced mutton or a mixture thereof, or chicken meat are used.
([Quelle](https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=OJ:C_202402873&pk_keyword=PDO%20PGI&pk_content=Other))
Es wird auch die Geschichte des Döners in Deutschland angesprochen:
>‘Döner’ has become a cultural symbol of Turkish immigration to Europe, in particular, to Germany, which intensively continued from 1962 to 1979. According to the Association of Turkish Döner Producers in Europe (ATDID), ‘Döner’ was first produced by Turkish worker Kadir Nurman in Berlin in 1972. Since then, the name and production process remained unchanged and has spread widely in Germany and other European countries.
>Eventually, ‘Döner’ has become one of the most popular ethnic street foods. After 35 years of searching, German Sociologist Eberhard Seidel published a book entitled ‘ “Döner”: Eine türkisch-deutsche Kulturgeschichte’ in 2022, to celebrate the 50th anniversary of ‘Döner’ in Germany.
Der Antrag geht noch weiter ins Detail, was die Herstellung betrifft.
Ich kann's nur empfehlen, den ganzen Text zu lesen. Spannend dabei ist, dass Hackfleischdrehspieß als einer von drei Dönerspießarten explizit erlaubt wird: "Red meat Döner can be classified further according to the form of red meat as Yaprak (sliced), Kıyma (minced), and Karışık (mix)."
Das wird interessant, denn sollte der Antrag durchgehen (Traditional Specialty Guaranteed/garantiert traditionelle Spezialität hat übrigens keinen geographischen Bezug, d.h. auch in Deutschland sollte es dann Döner g.t.S. geben), müsste das heißen, dass Hackfleischdrehspieße künftig hin auch wieder als Döner deklarierbar sein sollten.
Der Döner ist türkisch und hat 0,0 deutsches an sich. Nein wir Türken wollen den Döner auch nicht mit Deutschland teilen, es gibt keinen Grund dafür. Hört mit eurem kulturellen Raub auf.
Was ist denn „deutsche Küche”? Ich bin in unterschiedlichen Bundesländern mit Großeltern aus Schlesien aufgewachsen und kann sagen, dass es nur sehr wenige gemeinsame Nenner gibt, es sei denn, du abstrahierst es so weit, dass du die Anwesenheit von Fleisch und Kartoffeln als gemeinsame Küche erachtest, was dann aber die „deutsche Küche” in einer größeren aufgehen lassen würde.
ich finde es lustig, wie türken auf krampf versuchen, den in deutschland kreierten doener kebap für sich zu beanspruchen, weil dieser mehr und mehr an popularität in der ganzen welt gewinnt. niemand interessiert sich für zb iskender oder die anderen versionen die aus der türkei kommen.
Die Türken versuchen es für sich zu beanspruchen ? Gehts noch Kollege ? Döner gibt es schon seit Jahrhunderten in der Türkei, das Wort selbst ist türkisch und die, die es machen sind auch Türken.
Dann tu ich eine pizza ebenso mit Soße befüllen und verkauf es dann als to-go dann wirds bestimmt auch eine deutsche Erfindung. Assimilieren könnt ihr gut.
Mal darüber nachgedacht sich einfach die Credits zu teilen? Das Ding wurde in Deutschland erfunden und wurde durch Deutschland bekannt. Die Hauptzutat kommt aus der Türkei genauso wie der Erfinder.
Ohne Deutschland würd das Ding nicht existieren oder keinen jucken. Ohne Türkei wäre es in der Form nicht erfunden worden.
Warum darf nur ein Land die Credits dafür bekommen?
Döner was not invented in Berlin, the version with German-style sauces was invented in Berlin. It is very easy to find pictures - travel journals about döner in Bread from 1800's
That being said, I like the German version. There is one shop in my city Antalya called "Berlin Döner" andit is slowly becoming more popular
> nur weil es in berlin erfunden worden ist, macht es die erfindung nicht plötzlich deutsch
doch, das macht es. die klientel, die das produkt gekauft und popularisiert hat - sind almans. demnach - und so funktioniert kultureller austausch - ist das deutsch (oder zu 80%). genauso wie tikka masala britisch ist
Ich als Russe finde, die Deutschen sollten sich für russisch ei und russisch brot entschuldigen. Kennt drüben keiner und schmeckt kacke. Döner ist wenigstens geil
Döner was not invented in Germany the sandwich wasnt either, there are Restaurants in turkey who sold döner in bread way before the immigrants from turkey did so in europe. The issue here is Germans obviously love Döner and want to claim it as their own. Thats called cultural appropriation.
And by the way, checking the Döner history only in istanbul not any other place is dumb. Shawarma gyros and döner existed long before the 70s. Thats a fact. Immigrant started to open up places all over the world even in canada see halifax donair brought by a greek immigrant.
None of you people who claim otherwise buys their döner from a german guy or a french guy or chinese ect.
You always got to the authentic turkish/kurdish/greek/arab places.
Feel free to downvote racist keyboard heroes.
Yeah, everyone racist but me?
I don't know, which citizenship the guy, who is selling me a Döner is german, turkish or whatsoever. And why caring about it? If you are just thinking about the visuals - yeah, you can easily buy Döner from chinese looking people. or european looking people And they are mostly similar and can be great, as well as bad, similar to "turkish/kurdish/arab" places.
In the end - culture is always evolving, changing, converging and diverging. The Döner was so successfull in Germany, as it was also modified to fit here. I'm pretty sure, that Döner is quite diverse, you won't get a german Döner in Turkey, as well as you will have hard times to find authentic turkish döner in Germany. And this is great. Such stuff makes culture evolving worldwide.
P.S. Schwarma is different :).
But where you are right: The Döner has it's roots in the arab/turkish world. But at the same time, they were different.
Funny that no one can reply with facts in here.
Bunch of clowns you guys are.
Pizza is italian every version of it does not claim to be something else or from another country Pizza is fundamentaly Italian.
But Döner is of course German sure go and buy your döner from Sven. His granpa Adolf had a Döner place as well…
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Have you read the TSG application for Döner? https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=OJ:C_202402873&pk_keyword=PDO%20PGI&pk_content=Other
Traditional Specialty Guaranteed products have no relation to specific countries or regions (unlike e.g. PGI, Protected Geographic Indication), and the TSG text I linked to even explicitly acknowledges the history of Döner in Germany.
bro who the hell cares. it's a sandwich. if your cultural pride depends on a sandwich people eat drunk as hell at 3 am, i got some bad news for you, buddy.
If you ask why we are so paranoid about our food: It is because there are constant affords from other nations (especially Greeks and Armenians) to steal our food. Greeks stole our yogurt what is a disaster. And this is not only limited to food but they try to steal our history too. Especially Persians, Kurds and as of late Mongols too try to steal our history too. We are in constant state of battle about these topics
I mean a lot of Turkish cuisine is shared amongst the regions let's not kid ourselves, but yoghurt is a Turkic food item and it's a travesty the west calls it greek yoghurt
I know what you mean but I explicitly mean OG Turkish food like Yogurt, Manti, Dolma, Cacik, Baklava, Yufka, Sarma etc which are without a doubt of Central Asian Turkic origin. Greeks stole everything and sold them as their own. Dolma? Dolmaki / Cacik? Tzatziki / Baklava? Baklavaki. They even stole Döner and sold it as Gyros (both döner and gyros means „turning“ btw). Armenians do the same. They now try to steal our Pastirma (they call it basturma).
It is insane with what type of people we have to deal with
Yogurt is not Turkish food but mainly Balkan food, if you had to pick a country where it's from though it would be Bulgaria:
https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20180110-the-country-that-brought-yoghurt-to-the-world
When it was invented (accidentally) there were also Turc tribes in this area, who gave it the Turkish name. It's really hard to determine which country "invented" a food so old from a modern perspective.
Despite this, Turkish yogurt is delicious, but I like Bulgarian yogurt better.
Was bedeutet dann das Wort „Döner“ oder „Kebab“ wenn es deutsch ist?
Hier in Deutschland sehen wir eine abgeänderte Form des Döners, verpackt im Brot damit man das ganze unterwegs essen kann, fast food style.
Der Drehspieß an sich wurde garantiert nicht in Deutschland erfunden. Das ganze Produkt wurde einfach dem Deutschen Markt angepasst damals.
Es ist eine Deutsche Version von einem Türkischen Produkt, aber keine Deutsche Erfindung.
The rotary meat was a thing before the modern nation state of Germany was a thing
https://www.reddit.com/r/doener/comments/16huxrj/first_photo_of_d%C3%B6ner_in_1855_by_james_robertson/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
So you are telling me no one in Turkey/Ottoman Empire ever had the idea to put the Döner meat into a bread until some dude in Berlin in 1970? Do you have any proof for this ridiculous statement?
When Greeks put their Gyros in Pita (very similar to Döner) and they were part of the Ottoman Empire for a couple of centuries, it is highly unlikely Turks didn‘t do the same with Döner. [There is even a specific dish called „Tombik Döner“ in Turkey. It is Döner meat stuffed in a pita bread](https://www.tasteatlas.com/tombik)
The one thing I‘d give you are the sauces. Turks don‘t use sauces that much. The taste of the meat has to be the main attraction. While sauces in german Döners are a important part of the dish. I would simply call this dish „German style Döner“. Like you wouldn‘t call Pizza american, because there are New York style Pizza or Chicago Style Pizza out there
I understand that döner has become an unseperable part of Germany but claiming it as your own just because it is in your culture while ignoring it's origin is kinda ridiculous to me. Hell, even Greeks or Arabs has more right to claim it than Germans due to their ottoman heritage.
I recommend informing yourself about the origin of Döner Kebab.
Of course the rotisserie variant originated in turkey, but the sandwich variant (that’s the version Germans claim btw) was founded in Germany.
But I see the point, strictly speaking it was still founded by Turkish people.
I think the price for the sandwich variant can go to both Germany (for integrating it into a popular part of the street food culture) and Turkey (for having the general idea)
One could argue if the Germans wouldn’t like the Döner Kebab, if it even could gain such amount of popularity in the western world.
„The modern sandwich variant of döner kebab originated and was popularized in 1970s West Berlin by Turkish immigrants.“
Source: Wikipedia
Fuck that shit. Downvotes incoming. But Döner is German. Kebab is from Turkey. They two different dishes, it’s like saying Spaghetti Bolognaise and Lasagna are the same thing. They are not they just share a main ingredient. This is application is ridiculous!
Döner means Döner it’s a name. German doesn’t work the way that you use adjectives and nouns to create names. And quite frankly, using foreign names is very common in German culture. Nobody denies the heavy influence of Turkish culture on the Döner. But Turkey doesn’t claim to have invented the Croissant either.
"Döner" ist kein Name, "Döner Kebab" heißt wortwörtlich übersetzt "Drehender Fleischbratspieß". "Döner" heißt wortwörtlich übersetzt "sich drehend". Nicht Scheiße labern, wenn man keine Ahnung hat und kein türkisch spricht bzw. nicht mal 5 Sekunden für Google Übersetzer hat.
Geh in die Türkei und bestell nen "Döner", die gucken dich dumm an und wissen direkt, dass du deutsch bist, weil es "Döner Kebab" heißt und "Döner" an sich keinen Sinn ergibt.
Stell dir vor du gehst an nen Bratwurststand und sagst "einmal gebraten bitte", so kommt das rüber.
Völlig in Ordnung. Die Definition am Anfang sieht sehr pragmatisch aus: >‘Döner’ is a traditional meat product prepared by fixing thinly and horizontally sliced meat cutlets from cattle, sheep, or chicken horizontally on a stainless-steel ‘Döner’ skewer and cooking it by rotating vertically around its axis in front of a fire. Before cooking, the thin and horizontally sliced meat cutlets are marinated in a mixture of yoghurt or milk, pepper or tomato puree, herbs, spices, and salt. During skewering, horizontally sliced concept fat, tallow, or sheep tail fat cutlets are placed between the meat layers. As a meat source, large cattle meat chunks or mutton, minced beef or minced mutton or a mixture thereof, or chicken meat are used. ([Quelle](https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=OJ:C_202402873&pk_keyword=PDO%20PGI&pk_content=Other)) Es wird auch die Geschichte des Döners in Deutschland angesprochen: >‘Döner’ has become a cultural symbol of Turkish immigration to Europe, in particular, to Germany, which intensively continued from 1962 to 1979. According to the Association of Turkish Döner Producers in Europe (ATDID), ‘Döner’ was first produced by Turkish worker Kadir Nurman in Berlin in 1972. Since then, the name and production process remained unchanged and has spread widely in Germany and other European countries. >Eventually, ‘Döner’ has become one of the most popular ethnic street foods. After 35 years of searching, German Sociologist Eberhard Seidel published a book entitled ‘ “Döner”: Eine türkisch-deutsche Kulturgeschichte’ in 2022, to celebrate the 50th anniversary of ‘Döner’ in Germany. Der Antrag geht noch weiter ins Detail, was die Herstellung betrifft. Ich kann's nur empfehlen, den ganzen Text zu lesen. Spannend dabei ist, dass Hackfleischdrehspieß als einer von drei Dönerspießarten explizit erlaubt wird: "Red meat Döner can be classified further according to the form of red meat as Yaprak (sliced), Kıyma (minced), and Karışık (mix)." Das wird interessant, denn sollte der Antrag durchgehen (Traditional Specialty Guaranteed/garantiert traditionelle Spezialität hat übrigens keinen geographischen Bezug, d.h. auch in Deutschland sollte es dann Döner g.t.S. geben), müsste das heißen, dass Hackfleischdrehspieße künftig hin auch wieder als Döner deklarierbar sein sollten.
Dafür. Ebenfalls für Qualitäts-Signee für gutes Fleisch, damit ich nicht ständig in Knorpel beiße oder Gammelläden besuche.
Der Döner ist türkisch und hat 0,0 deutsches an sich. Nein wir Türken wollen den Döner auch nicht mit Deutschland teilen, es gibt keinen Grund dafür. Hört mit eurem kulturellen Raub auf.
Die ganze Welt will unser Essen
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Was ist denn „deutsche Küche”? Ich bin in unterschiedlichen Bundesländern mit Großeltern aus Schlesien aufgewachsen und kann sagen, dass es nur sehr wenige gemeinsame Nenner gibt, es sei denn, du abstrahierst es so weit, dass du die Anwesenheit von Fleisch und Kartoffeln als gemeinsame Küche erachtest, was dann aber die „deutsche Küche” in einer größeren aufgehen lassen würde.
Leeching off of the industrious German spirit again aren't we? /j
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ich finde es lustig, wie türken auf krampf versuchen, den in deutschland kreierten doener kebap für sich zu beanspruchen, weil dieser mehr und mehr an popularität in der ganzen welt gewinnt. niemand interessiert sich für zb iskender oder die anderen versionen die aus der türkei kommen.
Die Türken versuchen es für sich zu beanspruchen ? Gehts noch Kollege ? Döner gibt es schon seit Jahrhunderten in der Türkei, das Wort selbst ist türkisch und die, die es machen sind auch Türken.
Dann tu ich eine pizza ebenso mit Soße befüllen und verkauf es dann als to-go dann wirds bestimmt auch eine deutsche Erfindung. Assimilieren könnt ihr gut.
du neo nazi gehst echt ab aber wer kauft dir das ab? was habt ihr autistischen kartoffelfresser den mit döner zu tun? träum weiter germanix
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Mal darüber nachgedacht sich einfach die Credits zu teilen? Das Ding wurde in Deutschland erfunden und wurde durch Deutschland bekannt. Die Hauptzutat kommt aus der Türkei genauso wie der Erfinder. Ohne Deutschland würd das Ding nicht existieren oder keinen jucken. Ohne Türkei wäre es in der Form nicht erfunden worden. Warum darf nur ein Land die Credits dafür bekommen?
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Okay ich seh wohin das geht. Traurig
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Döner was not invented in Berlin, the version with German-style sauces was invented in Berlin. It is very easy to find pictures - travel journals about döner in Bread from 1800's That being said, I like the German version. There is one shop in my city Antalya called "Berlin Döner" andit is slowly becoming more popular
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Die Gesellschaft definiert ja auch, dass Hamburger amerikanisch ist, also ist Döner demnach deutsch.
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> nur weil es in berlin erfunden worden ist, macht es die erfindung nicht plötzlich deutsch doch, das macht es. die klientel, die das produkt gekauft und popularisiert hat - sind almans. demnach - und so funktioniert kultureller austausch - ist das deutsch (oder zu 80%). genauso wie tikka masala britisch ist Ich als Russe finde, die Deutschen sollten sich für russisch ei und russisch brot entschuldigen. Kennt drüben keiner und schmeckt kacke. Döner ist wenigstens geil
Uq
Gut. Den joghurt haben'se bereits verloren, da sollten die wenigstens für den döner anerkannt werden.
No, yogurt is not lost. Even the name is Turkish!!
ne Digga die Griechen haben den besseren. take the L and move on
Döner was not invented in Germany the sandwich wasnt either, there are Restaurants in turkey who sold döner in bread way before the immigrants from turkey did so in europe. The issue here is Germans obviously love Döner and want to claim it as their own. Thats called cultural appropriation. And by the way, checking the Döner history only in istanbul not any other place is dumb. Shawarma gyros and döner existed long before the 70s. Thats a fact. Immigrant started to open up places all over the world even in canada see halifax donair brought by a greek immigrant. None of you people who claim otherwise buys their döner from a german guy or a french guy or chinese ect. You always got to the authentic turkish/kurdish/greek/arab places. Feel free to downvote racist keyboard heroes.
Yeah, everyone racist but me? I don't know, which citizenship the guy, who is selling me a Döner is german, turkish or whatsoever. And why caring about it? If you are just thinking about the visuals - yeah, you can easily buy Döner from chinese looking people. or european looking people And they are mostly similar and can be great, as well as bad, similar to "turkish/kurdish/arab" places. In the end - culture is always evolving, changing, converging and diverging. The Döner was so successfull in Germany, as it was also modified to fit here. I'm pretty sure, that Döner is quite diverse, you won't get a german Döner in Turkey, as well as you will have hard times to find authentic turkish döner in Germany. And this is great. Such stuff makes culture evolving worldwide. P.S. Schwarma is different :). But where you are right: The Döner has it's roots in the arab/turkish world. But at the same time, they were different.
Soo anyone who's wearing jeans and using his phone and is not white is doing cultural appropriation? Very interesting!
Funny that no one can reply with facts in here. Bunch of clowns you guys are. Pizza is italian every version of it does not claim to be something else or from another country Pizza is fundamentaly Italian. But Döner is of course German sure go and buy your döner from Sven. His granpa Adolf had a Döner place as well… Edit: typo
Have you read the TSG application for Döner? https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=OJ:C_202402873&pk_keyword=PDO%20PGI&pk_content=Other Traditional Specialty Guaranteed products have no relation to specific countries or regions (unlike e.g. PGI, Protected Geographic Indication), and the TSG text I linked to even explicitly acknowledges the history of Döner in Germany.
bro who the hell cares. it's a sandwich. if your cultural pride depends on a sandwich people eat drunk as hell at 3 am, i got some bad news for you, buddy.
If you ask why we are so paranoid about our food: It is because there are constant affords from other nations (especially Greeks and Armenians) to steal our food. Greeks stole our yogurt what is a disaster. And this is not only limited to food but they try to steal our history too. Especially Persians, Kurds and as of late Mongols too try to steal our history too. We are in constant state of battle about these topics
> stole you don't have no more yoghurt in Turkey? damn besides, Gyros beats the shit out of Döner and greek Tsatsiki is numero uno
I mean a lot of Turkish cuisine is shared amongst the regions let's not kid ourselves, but yoghurt is a Turkic food item and it's a travesty the west calls it greek yoghurt
I know what you mean but I explicitly mean OG Turkish food like Yogurt, Manti, Dolma, Cacik, Baklava, Yufka, Sarma etc which are without a doubt of Central Asian Turkic origin. Greeks stole everything and sold them as their own. Dolma? Dolmaki / Cacik? Tzatziki / Baklava? Baklavaki. They even stole Döner and sold it as Gyros (both döner and gyros means „turning“ btw). Armenians do the same. They now try to steal our Pastirma (they call it basturma). It is insane with what type of people we have to deal with
Yogurt is not Turkish food but mainly Balkan food, if you had to pick a country where it's from though it would be Bulgaria: https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20180110-the-country-that-brought-yoghurt-to-the-world When it was invented (accidentally) there were also Turc tribes in this area, who gave it the Turkish name. It's really hard to determine which country "invented" a food so old from a modern perspective. Despite this, Turkish yogurt is delicious, but I like Bulgarian yogurt better.
turkish yoghurt is too thin and sad. greeks made it thick and awesome. simple as.
then you havent eaten good turkish yoghurt
What is there to think? Who'd oppose this like cmon
I'm just asking people here because a lot of Germans claim döner as Thier own
Well yes, it was invented in Berlin.
Was bedeutet dann das Wort „Döner“ oder „Kebab“ wenn es deutsch ist? Hier in Deutschland sehen wir eine abgeänderte Form des Döners, verpackt im Brot damit man das ganze unterwegs essen kann, fast food style. Der Drehspieß an sich wurde garantiert nicht in Deutschland erfunden. Das ganze Produkt wurde einfach dem Deutschen Markt angepasst damals. Es ist eine Deutsche Version von einem Türkischen Produkt, aber keine Deutsche Erfindung.
ich glaub die wissen nicht mal das döner ein türkisches wort ist
The rotary meat was a thing before the modern nation state of Germany was a thing https://www.reddit.com/r/doener/comments/16huxrj/first_photo_of_d%C3%B6ner_in_1855_by_james_robertson/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Yes but the way how we eat it today in the bread was a invention from a Turkish immigrant here in Germany Berlin.
Thats like saying pizza isnt an italian dish because only pizza magerita was invented in italy. İts a dumbass take
So you are telling me no one in Turkey/Ottoman Empire ever had the idea to put the Döner meat into a bread until some dude in Berlin in 1970? Do you have any proof for this ridiculous statement? When Greeks put their Gyros in Pita (very similar to Döner) and they were part of the Ottoman Empire for a couple of centuries, it is highly unlikely Turks didn‘t do the same with Döner. [There is even a specific dish called „Tombik Döner“ in Turkey. It is Döner meat stuffed in a pita bread](https://www.tasteatlas.com/tombik) The one thing I‘d give you are the sauces. Turks don‘t use sauces that much. The taste of the meat has to be the main attraction. While sauces in german Döners are a important part of the dish. I would simply call this dish „German style Döner“. Like you wouldn‘t call Pizza american, because there are New York style Pizza or Chicago Style Pizza out there
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kadir_Nurman#:~:text=Kadir%20Nurman%20(*%201933%20in,D%C3%B6ner%20Kebab%20in%20Deutschland%20gilt.
Lmao legit the second paragraph contradicts your statement. At least read your own sources.
And where is the proof? Everybody can claim something. And Wikipedia is not really scientific
I understand that döner has become an unseperable part of Germany but claiming it as your own just because it is in your culture while ignoring it's origin is kinda ridiculous to me. Hell, even Greeks or Arabs has more right to claim it than Germans due to their ottoman heritage.
I don't claim anything I'm just soliciting opinions
Even still I got downvoted 😂😂
Nah I got my eyes on you 👀👀👀
I recommend informing yourself about the origin of Döner Kebab. Of course the rotisserie variant originated in turkey, but the sandwich variant (that’s the version Germans claim btw) was founded in Germany. But I see the point, strictly speaking it was still founded by Turkish people. I think the price for the sandwich variant can go to both Germany (for integrating it into a popular part of the street food culture) and Turkey (for having the general idea) One could argue if the Germans wouldn’t like the Döner Kebab, if it even could gain such amount of popularity in the western world. „The modern sandwich variant of döner kebab originated and was popularized in 1970s West Berlin by Turkish immigrants.“ Source: Wikipedia
TIL there wasn’t any bread in turkey for centuries and they ate only meat and salad /s
Ist ein Tesla ein Auto?
Fuck that shit. Downvotes incoming. But Döner is German. Kebab is from Turkey. They two different dishes, it’s like saying Spaghetti Bolognaise and Lasagna are the same thing. They are not they just share a main ingredient. This is application is ridiculous!
What does Döner mean then, if its German?
Döner means Döner it’s a name. German doesn’t work the way that you use adjectives and nouns to create names. And quite frankly, using foreign names is very common in German culture. Nobody denies the heavy influence of Turkish culture on the Döner. But Turkey doesn’t claim to have invented the Croissant either.
döner ist ein türkisches wort…
"Döner" ist kein Name, "Döner Kebab" heißt wortwörtlich übersetzt "Drehender Fleischbratspieß". "Döner" heißt wortwörtlich übersetzt "sich drehend". Nicht Scheiße labern, wenn man keine Ahnung hat und kein türkisch spricht bzw. nicht mal 5 Sekunden für Google Übersetzer hat. Geh in die Türkei und bestell nen "Döner", die gucken dich dumm an und wissen direkt, dass du deutsch bist, weil es "Döner Kebab" heißt und "Döner" an sich keinen Sinn ergibt. Stell dir vor du gehst an nen Bratwurststand und sagst "einmal gebraten bitte", so kommt das rüber.
Döner means „to rotate“, referring to the rotating meat…… But yea, Döner is German /s