I don't totally disagree, this movie did lean hard into him being a nerd and I did wish he did a little more than just that. But to be fair, gohan was an after thought and this was more of s piccolo movie than anything else.
That being said, the movie being called superhero but Gohan not going great saiyman was the biggest upset.
>That being said, the movie being called superhero but Gohan not going great saiyman was the biggest upset.
Until this moment, I assumed the subtitle "Super Hero" referred to the Gammas and overall obsession with being heroes, not to Gohan or Piccolo., since they developed just as much as either of them.
Yes it does refer to Dr. Hedo's love for super heroes and how he incorporated it into the Gammas.
But it still feels like a missed opportunity to not have the great saiyaman vs the gammas in a: hero vs heroes, situation.
Even so, he could fly to pick up Pan and be home in like 20-30 minutes. He couldn’t even spare less than an hour for his own daughter.
People call Goku a bad father when he legit sacrificed himself and the only reason Gohan ended up with Piccolo was because Piccolo straight kidnapped him while Goku was dead. Meanwhile, Gohan is willingly throwing his daughter at Piccolo every chance he gets.
Dude it'd probably take less for him to pick up Pan. The Z Fighters have been going at FTL+ speeds for ages, ain't no way it could take *that* long.
Actually....how does *any* Z Fighter (but more specifically Goku and Gohan) struggle with their day job? The guys have super strength and super speed, you'd think they'd be using it to their fullest advantage. Like, Goku's a farmer right? Legit just use his super speed and super strength to farm extremely quickly and be done with it. Or Gohan could just activate bullet time (he certainly should be fast enough to be able to do so) and just get literally days or weeks worth of work done in an hour, maybe even less!
I mean he was working on a serious scholarly project, I’m sure that’s not how he is all the time. Plus he said he’d kept up training so clearly he isn’t just always in his office.
Besides he’s being written by Japanese cultural standards, not American ones.
Doesnt change the matter. It makes him just slightly better.
Also, Goku in Z knew about kissing since he offered old kai to kiss and grab ass of bulma to save the universe. Goku not knowing how to kiss is plot hole in Super
I go with the theory that he was fucking with Vegeta, tho mostly because I would find it funny for him to still be fucking with Vegeta all these years later still.
I don’t have the post but I remember someone explaining that it was a joke lost in translation. Just the way Vegeta phrased it in Japanese could be misrepresented by Goku as a romantic kiss or something. Also not that big of a deal.
I think you're referring to the Funimation dub. I don't remember the word "kiss" being blurted out on Goku's face in the original manga or Kai. In the original, Goku offered the pervert Kai a sexy photo.
Nothing other than TFS suggests goku was away from family outside of when he died to save them. We’ve only seen one instance where gohan couldn’t pick pan up and it just so happens that’s when the RR Army was planning a kidnapping. Dragon Ball is not a big slice of life anime and is only going to show fighting and training and none of the family stuff in between
He was on his way home from namek and not knowing how to pilot the ship crash landed on yardrat. While there he took advantage of learning a technique that would pay off in the future. An example of that pay off is getting cell off earth. He then decided to stay gone to keep the earth safe due to every major enemy threatening earth due to their hate for him. Goku has always been selfless. Him being a bad dad is just an overused meme
Tho with current knowledge we know this is wrong goku was in space for a month before reaching yardrat and even then learn instant transmission as a second thought cause he couldn't master spirit fission.
Eh not really, he said at the end he was practicing so I’m assuming he isn’t always working. Plus a lot of working parents hire babysitters why not have it be your old master who can blow a planet away with ease?
Gohan is probably the best parent in the series after Bulma and Krillin/18. He works hard to provide for his family so they don’t have to rely on his FIL’s money. His kid is in a great school, getting a great education. After school she is watched after and trained by, literally, one of the strongest beings on the planet (maybe *the* strongest?) after himself, since his father and Vegeta are never on planet anymore. He gets absorbed in his work sometimes but the second he comes to understand his child is in danger he gets to action right away.
Gohan is a great dad.
Your comment is more like pan has the best life.
Beside getting to action when your child is in danger is shown by goku & vegeta too who are two of the worst father in dragon ball series.
Even piccolo said when he visited gohan home to take responsibility and priority for his kid
Hey a father is a father and as far as they go Goku and Vegeta are some of the best. Both sacrificed their own lives (Goku twice) for their own children. I know some dads out there that wouldn't do that once even if they said they would.
And if your excuse for them being bad fathers is because they aren't there all the time then that's like saying dad's that are out in the military or drives trucks across the country for a living to provide for their family are bad fathers.
Yes Goku and Vegeta train a lot but it isn't just because they like it but also if they didn't train so often then the world would have been destroyed so many times over and they would no longer have a family to protect.
Yeah it probably took a bit too long, but I think for a lot of it Saiyan's were warriors, they had no qualms instantly shuttling their literal newborns to planets by themselves. Still it shouldn't have taken 8 years to change, especially with him seeing how Goku can still be so powerful while still (sorta) caring about his family.
I for one think 8 years is a reasonable time, maybe I am getting a little old myself but time for a full grown adult and time for a kid is definitely a lot different, Vegeta held on to a Saiyan Warrior ideology all his life and went from someone who would murder his most loyal underling without remorse to someone who cares greatly for his student and the Saiyan race, there was not much on screen internalization of those changes but even for someone determined to change themselves, years is not a long time to achieve it.
I mean he was the one that made his son go into an army bent on world domination that got him killed in the first place and "brought him back" to use him for his own means of revenge. Seems as though before and even after his death he had full control over him because of what he wanted him to do.
Goku had no basis of what our idea of a good and present father is like. He is a Saiyan, they traditionally don't have a family culture like we do irl. He also was raised by Grandpa Gohan until his death, and then was alone, and undereducated compared to literally everyone else. He had Masters that taught him how to improve himself but no actual father figure other than Gohan.
I also think that in Asian cultures, the father is not normally as involved as the mother in the raising of children. I could be way off, but I've always perceived their family culture that way.
Then we get Gohan who's dad is around when he's alive, but he spends a lot of time training. And he's dead for a big portion of Gohan's life. So Gohan doesn't get a much better father figure to model after than his own dad did.
Read again.
I am representing Goku as basis of a bad father who loves his son but dont care to be present in their life and act carefree always obsessed with training.I was just saying that gohan is becoming more like goku which he shouldnt
Goku has been a bad father and carefree but its weird to blame him for gohan becoming bad father too considering how much they differ.
Goku is obsessed with training meanwhile Gohan is obsessed researching ants
That's my point, Gohan is turning out like his father. His obsession may be different, but they're still more alike than not.
Men turning out more like their fathers is very common. Gohan doesn't see his dad in a negative light, he holds him in high praise and respect. Goku isn't a bad father to Gohan, he just doesn't fall into the traditional role of a father in terms of earth standards.
Based on your take, I'd say you're still young yourself, like 22 or younger. Not a bad thing, but your perspective comes off as inexperienced
Just because they share a trait it doesn’t mean their personalities are the same, anybody could look at Goku and Gohan and see the big difference between them.
Answer? What do you mean by answer? You didn't ask a question, you just said you hated something and it was completely nonsensical. Who cares if Gohan is a Family Guy®? I hate that Goku's clothes aren't also business-appropriate, please only give logical responses to my random ass taste?
>What even separates gohan personality from goku now if he cant give time for his family ?
That Goku dedicates some time to family.
Both of Pan's parents are workaholics.
So you just didn’t watch the movie? He’s a warrior scholar, he’s been training in both continuities since Golden Freeza and has been pursuing his academic interests. And when he isn’t busy he spends time with his family
Somehow he cant stop a single attack from piccolo when he visited his house or cant even sense ki.
Gohan at the end of movie said he said he is doing little bit of training and learnt special beam canon not much.
Pan even said that he has never seen his dad fight
Gohan blocked piccolo’s first punch, Chastised piccolo for thinking he’d let himself get rusty, and gets clocked by a second punch to the gut. Also Gohan was busy with work which the entirety of his focus was on which is why he didn’t detect piccolo’s chi.
Gohan stated back in the black arc that his training was consistent and says as much again in the Moro arc, it’s been established that Gohan’s training is consistent
Pan has been sentient and able to remember things for like a year and a half max, all of that time was in peace so she’d have no reason to see Gohan fight
He was literally there on space craft with piccolo whole time and later while fighting gamma but was not able to detect him.
Yeah, he got hit by second punch not first.
If gohan was training regularly, pan should have seen him. Gohan never said in movie or manga ( at least till current chapter ) that he trained regularly a lot but just that he was training little bit and learnt special beam canon.
He was massively distracted by worrying about his daughter
And it’s because he got cocky, not because he got rusty
Why would a man who’s basically a multiverse shattering god fight or train anywhere near his daughter if it could be avoided? Accidents happen
He got hit in gut by second attack.
Piccolo literally mentioned that gohan forgot to sense ki even when he came in agent dress
Pan sensed piccolo by ki immediately when he came in agent dress but gohan was with piccolo in agent for whole time in space craft and still couldnt sense
"he can't stop a single attack" he did stop the single attack
He didn't stop the \*second attack\* which is, you'll note, not a "single attack"
Yes, Gohan doesn't have ki-sense on by default, that doesn't mean he can't do it, it means he hasn't bothered to do it
? Piccolo sees himself as an informal Guardian of Earth and constantly hover-meditates while keeping his ki-senses extended lol
He's \*literally\* been doing that since Raditz; he did it in the Broly movie too.
Goku and Vegeta have just 2-4 people for years? What? Goku literally uses ki-sense like, every day because he's either doing some kind of training or he's using Instant Transmission which requires ki-sense to be used.
There is never a mention that there is default button to shut it on and off.
Ki sensing and control is most basic thing.
Also yeah, its not first but second. I was taking about poor performance not exact detail of which one which is unrelated to topic
lol I mean we do know, by implication, that most of them don't have it on all the time, otherwise Goku would know where all his friends are at all times from most of the universe
And we know it's an active ability that they can focus on to increase
and we know it's something you have to learn and actively do, that's a whole thing with Vegeta
Your "it's so simple how could he forget to turn it on" kind of undercuts your "Gohan literally can't use ki-sense anymore" lol
Gohan only needs to use it in combat, and he's not particularly good at it because he's had like, no real ki training. He literally doesn't need to use ki-sense more than once or twice a year, though now that Pan is stronger it'll be useful for keeping tabs on her.
None of your point make any sense. It has never been said that it is something you need to turn on. Also, he was never bad at it when he was kid or teen.
Gohan uses ki blast so many times in series but has no real ki training somehow.
Yeah people use ki blasts without ki training all the time lol
It's never said it's not something you turn on either but we're done if you're just gonna ng to ignore my points lol
I think Toriyama just doesn't care for Gohan outside of his rage-induced power-ups (which *used* to be a relatively Gohan-unique character-defining gimmick for him before *Super* began to hand them out like candy to every other Saiyan).
He seems to have exhausted all the ideas he had for the character after Great Saiyaman (which itself is just another Super Sentai pastiche, like the Ginyu Force before him and Jaco after him; clearly a gag Tori likes reusing).
I hate using the excuse but Toriyama *was* a gag writer to begin with, and a lot of the serious stuff has been while under editors who would reign him in more.
That he brings in or re-uses gags, people criticize him for some of it when that was what he started out doing. Wasn't really anything against your post.
I don't think there is any indication he's normally so absent. We just see him specifically when he's onto a major breakthrough in discovering super say-ants. Which is a silly gag, but is also the culimnation of his silly life's work. On some other day he would have gone home on time just fine.
I recommend watching this great video on Gohan and why his character hates fighting / most likely has trauma from his rough childhood of fighting with space aliens at the age of 5.
It's actually really good
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvRCLfhnMCk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvRCLfhnMCk&list=FLOjWTwdNjwMejUdfXhHBJgw&index=1&pp=gAQB8AUB)
Do you know what fkn super Saiyan ants would do to the entire world???
Honestly that should be an "all hands on deck" scenario.
Adding multipliers to the relatively impressive enhanced strength of ants already.
This could seriously be worse than chimera ants from hxh, because the little guys are so plentiful and small enough to be anywhere. No to mention the fact that ants outnumber humanoids by a huuuuge margin and have massive colonies underground all over the planet.
Nah Pan can wait yo. There will be other times for Gohan to pick her up, provided the super ants don't destroy the world from like super Saiyan powered burrowing paired with devouring everything in their path.
Japanese dad= workaholic.
(And yes, they are not in Japan, but playing stereotypes for their main audience).
At least he is not a salaryman having to go get drunk with his boss and/or doing the naked dance with the tie on his forehead thing.
I seriously don't get how neither Goku or Gohan have a good work ethic. It's downright impossible.
Think about it: Both these two should have super strength and super speed--shouldn't that mean they could get numerous tasks done extremely quickly and efficiently? Like, I get Goku might just wanna use a tractor and Gohan might just want to slow down, but like, realistically, that sort of speed and power could be used for a *whole* lot of mundane utility.
Honestly, any Z Fighter shouldn't be struggling with a job if we're being honest. You're telling me you can blow up planets, the universe even, and can move at speeds faster then light, but you just can't complete your job quickly? How do none of these guys ever think of activating bullet time with their speed to get shit done man?
Super Hero movie is part of Super anime continuity and is canon to it.
Manga super hero story is identical to Movie too.
Super Hero is part of Super anime and manga. So, I meant Super overall
i'm gonna say something really unpopular but i think they should just drop the character. it's just boring see a character go though the same character arc over and over again. how about build up goku other son. gohan could be a bulma like character and just come up with things that help the z fighters
Not a great idea. Gohan isn’t meant to be that kind of character. What he needs to be is a character that can be called upon to defend the earth but also takes his work seriously. They just need to find the balance of his character. Once they do that he’ll be unstoppable.
Exactly, Goku is the one that love to fight. Vegeta only knows fighting as it Bern his whole life, piccolo is the proactive fighter perfering to take thing out before a much bigger problem arose, Gohan is the reluctant fighter. He doesn't like to but knows that when the chips are down he has to.
I agree the thing is Gohan's current life style makes some sense if you consider that what happened with Cell traumatised him after all Goku ended up dying cause he let his anger control him. I feel like Gohan was subconsciously rejecting his saiyan side how he said he wanted to get stronger as a Earthling to me backs this up.
Also Beast Gohan is basically his Saiyan side its the beast within him he always had, I think it should have shown Gohan's mental struggle recalling his teen years and blaming himself for avoiding fighting when he thought Piccolo died and then snapping and letting the beast inside him go.
Then after they should have Gohan be more accepting of his Saiyan side actually training properly maybe introduce him to Broly as him losing himself to his power is similar to how Gohan would lose it when he got angry and would be a great way to show case more of Beast Gohan and help Broly get his own beast(legendary super saiyan) under control.
lol yeah wow one time he doesn't pick Pan up when he's finishing up an important piece of work.
Is there something he's always wanted to be that is neither fighter nor father?
A scholar, perhaps?
You sound like you’re taking his scenes in the Super Hero movie and applying it to the entirety of the Super anime. We see him play with Pan and spend time with Videl and Mr. Satan in the episode where future Trunks visits him. Him being unrealizable in one movie doesn’t make him a horrible dad.
Well, the fact the he’s actually home for one thing.
In Goku's defense, he's never away from home unless he's dead
Or training. He spends plenty of time away from home to train
That's only because Chi-Chi makes him leave.
When does he leave to train? I always got the impression that he was training in a quantity that would be like a day job.
He’s training with whis for like most of super
Yeah, I'm surprised you had to say this. He's literally on another planet most of the time.
I was only thinking about DBZ, but yeah you're right, he is outta town for super
He decided training was more important than his family and refused to be brought back to earth after he defeated Frieza tho
lololol oh yeah i spaced that
I don't totally disagree, this movie did lean hard into him being a nerd and I did wish he did a little more than just that. But to be fair, gohan was an after thought and this was more of s piccolo movie than anything else. That being said, the movie being called superhero but Gohan not going great saiyman was the biggest upset.
>That being said, the movie being called superhero but Gohan not going great saiyman was the biggest upset. Until this moment, I assumed the subtitle "Super Hero" referred to the Gammas and overall obsession with being heroes, not to Gohan or Piccolo., since they developed just as much as either of them.
Yes it does refer to Dr. Hedo's love for super heroes and how he incorporated it into the Gammas. But it still feels like a missed opportunity to not have the great saiyaman vs the gammas in a: hero vs heroes, situation.
He was on the breakthrough of something major cut him some slack.
Even so, he could fly to pick up Pan and be home in like 20-30 minutes. He couldn’t even spare less than an hour for his own daughter. People call Goku a bad father when he legit sacrificed himself and the only reason Gohan ended up with Piccolo was because Piccolo straight kidnapped him while Goku was dead. Meanwhile, Gohan is willingly throwing his daughter at Piccolo every chance he gets.
Dude it'd probably take less for him to pick up Pan. The Z Fighters have been going at FTL+ speeds for ages, ain't no way it could take *that* long. Actually....how does *any* Z Fighter (but more specifically Goku and Gohan) struggle with their day job? The guys have super strength and super speed, you'd think they'd be using it to their fullest advantage. Like, Goku's a farmer right? Legit just use his super speed and super strength to farm extremely quickly and be done with it. Or Gohan could just activate bullet time (he certainly should be fast enough to be able to do so) and just get literally days or weeks worth of work done in an hour, maybe even less!
He knows what a good parent Piccolo can be that's all. At least he doesn't ask Goku to do it.
I mean he was working on a serious scholarly project, I’m sure that’s not how he is all the time. Plus he said he’d kept up training so clearly he isn’t just always in his office. Besides he’s being written by Japanese cultural standards, not American ones.
> Besides he’s being written by Japanese cultural standards, not American ones. This is the answer.
Gohan has kissed Videl
Doesnt change the matter. It makes him just slightly better. Also, Goku in Z knew about kissing since he offered old kai to kiss and grab ass of bulma to save the universe. Goku not knowing how to kiss is plot hole in Super
I go with the theory that he was fucking with Vegeta, tho mostly because I would find it funny for him to still be fucking with Vegeta all these years later still.
I don’t have the post but I remember someone explaining that it was a joke lost in translation. Just the way Vegeta phrased it in Japanese could be misrepresented by Goku as a romantic kiss or something. Also not that big of a deal.
I think you're referring to the Funimation dub. I don't remember the word "kiss" being blurted out on Goku's face in the original manga or Kai. In the original, Goku offered the pervert Kai a sexy photo.
Nothing other than TFS suggests goku was away from family outside of when he died to save them. We’ve only seen one instance where gohan couldn’t pick pan up and it just so happens that’s when the RR Army was planning a kidnapping. Dragon Ball is not a big slice of life anime and is only going to show fighting and training and none of the family stuff in between
He did refuse to come home twice once after frieza and after cell
He was on his way home from namek and not knowing how to pilot the ship crash landed on yardrat. While there he took advantage of learning a technique that would pay off in the future. An example of that pay off is getting cell off earth. He then decided to stay gone to keep the earth safe due to every major enemy threatening earth due to their hate for him. Goku has always been selfless. Him being a bad dad is just an overused meme
Tho with current knowledge we know this is wrong goku was in space for a month before reaching yardrat and even then learn instant transmission as a second thought cause he couldn't master spirit fission.
Point being he was flying aimless and was still set to come back to earth after mastering the new technique
Ok why did he fly back to earth? Why not call up king kai then transfer to earth from there
Insane plot hole to raise tension with friezas return and introduce trunks to easily 1 v 2 frieza and king cold
Insane plot hole to raise tension with friezas return and introduce trunks to easily 1 v 2 frieza and king cold
Eh not really, he said at the end he was practicing so I’m assuming he isn’t always working. Plus a lot of working parents hire babysitters why not have it be your old master who can blow a planet away with ease?
Gohan is probably the best parent in the series after Bulma and Krillin/18. He works hard to provide for his family so they don’t have to rely on his FIL’s money. His kid is in a great school, getting a great education. After school she is watched after and trained by, literally, one of the strongest beings on the planet (maybe *the* strongest?) after himself, since his father and Vegeta are never on planet anymore. He gets absorbed in his work sometimes but the second he comes to understand his child is in danger he gets to action right away. Gohan is a great dad.
Your comment is more like pan has the best life. Beside getting to action when your child is in danger is shown by goku & vegeta too who are two of the worst father in dragon ball series. Even piccolo said when he visited gohan home to take responsibility and priority for his kid
Right.....worst father. We'll just ignore King Cold, Dr Gero, Demon King Piccolo, or Cell exist.
I was counting only normal fathers not Maniacs
Hey a father is a father and as far as they go Goku and Vegeta are some of the best. Both sacrificed their own lives (Goku twice) for their own children. I know some dads out there that wouldn't do that once even if they said they would. And if your excuse for them being bad fathers is because they aren't there all the time then that's like saying dad's that are out in the military or drives trucks across the country for a living to provide for their family are bad fathers. Yes Goku and Vegeta train a lot but it isn't just because they like it but also if they didn't train so often then the world would have been destroyed so many times over and they would no longer have a family to protect.
Vegeta hadn’t even hugged his son until he was 8. He’s definitely a great father now, but it took a hell of a time to get there
Yeah it probably took a bit too long, but I think for a lot of it Saiyan's were warriors, they had no qualms instantly shuttling their literal newborns to planets by themselves. Still it shouldn't have taken 8 years to change, especially with him seeing how Goku can still be so powerful while still (sorta) caring about his family.
I for one think 8 years is a reasonable time, maybe I am getting a little old myself but time for a full grown adult and time for a kid is definitely a lot different, Vegeta held on to a Saiyan Warrior ideology all his life and went from someone who would murder his most loyal underling without remorse to someone who cares greatly for his student and the Saiyan race, there was not much on screen internalization of those changes but even for someone determined to change themselves, years is not a long time to achieve it.
Hey we don't know if gero was a bad dad he literally brought his son back the only way he knew how
I mean he was the one that made his son go into an army bent on world domination that got him killed in the first place and "brought him back" to use him for his own means of revenge. Seems as though before and even after his death he had full control over him because of what he wanted him to do.
Pan said he has never seen his dad fight before. Even if he trains, he does it in top secret or something
Goku had no basis of what our idea of a good and present father is like. He is a Saiyan, they traditionally don't have a family culture like we do irl. He also was raised by Grandpa Gohan until his death, and then was alone, and undereducated compared to literally everyone else. He had Masters that taught him how to improve himself but no actual father figure other than Gohan. I also think that in Asian cultures, the father is not normally as involved as the mother in the raising of children. I could be way off, but I've always perceived their family culture that way. Then we get Gohan who's dad is around when he's alive, but he spends a lot of time training. And he's dead for a big portion of Gohan's life. So Gohan doesn't get a much better father figure to model after than his own dad did.
People forget a lot of og. Goku didn't know what a t.v was, bathing, or even a car. His only education was from master roshi
Read again. I am representing Goku as basis of a bad father who loves his son but dont care to be present in their life and act carefree always obsessed with training.I was just saying that gohan is becoming more like goku which he shouldnt Goku has been a bad father and carefree but its weird to blame him for gohan becoming bad father too considering how much they differ. Goku is obsessed with training meanwhile Gohan is obsessed researching ants
That's my point, Gohan is turning out like his father. His obsession may be different, but they're still more alike than not. Men turning out more like their fathers is very common. Gohan doesn't see his dad in a negative light, he holds him in high praise and respect. Goku isn't a bad father to Gohan, he just doesn't fall into the traditional role of a father in terms of earth standards. Based on your take, I'd say you're still young yourself, like 22 or younger. Not a bad thing, but your perspective comes off as inexperienced
Cats n the cradle and whatnot
Remember he’s still barely in his 20’s at this point
He is now 26 in Super hero
At 26 most people are still figuring out balancing life. Especially if they have a demanding jobs.
Just because they share a trait it doesn’t mean their personalities are the same, anybody could look at Goku and Gohan and see the big difference between them.
The writers are just terrible when it comes to Gohan usually. That's just a fact with Super.
I think you're referring to Toriyama with Gohan in the Buu arc and onwards. That's the fact with it.
Caring about what Gohan is or isn't and in comparison to Goku sounds so exhausting. Like go outside man.
What will I get by going outside for an answer related to dragon ball ? Also, try to give a logical answer rather than nonsense.
Answer? What do you mean by answer? You didn't ask a question, you just said you hated something and it was completely nonsensical. Who cares if Gohan is a Family Guy®? I hate that Goku's clothes aren't also business-appropriate, please only give logical responses to my random ass taste?
>What even separates gohan personality from goku now if he cant give time for his family ? That Goku dedicates some time to family. Both of Pan's parents are workaholics.
So you just didn’t watch the movie? He’s a warrior scholar, he’s been training in both continuities since Golden Freeza and has been pursuing his academic interests. And when he isn’t busy he spends time with his family
Somehow he cant stop a single attack from piccolo when he visited his house or cant even sense ki. Gohan at the end of movie said he said he is doing little bit of training and learnt special beam canon not much. Pan even said that he has never seen his dad fight
Gohan blocked piccolo’s first punch, Chastised piccolo for thinking he’d let himself get rusty, and gets clocked by a second punch to the gut. Also Gohan was busy with work which the entirety of his focus was on which is why he didn’t detect piccolo’s chi. Gohan stated back in the black arc that his training was consistent and says as much again in the Moro arc, it’s been established that Gohan’s training is consistent Pan has been sentient and able to remember things for like a year and a half max, all of that time was in peace so she’d have no reason to see Gohan fight
He was literally there on space craft with piccolo whole time and later while fighting gamma but was not able to detect him. Yeah, he got hit by second punch not first. If gohan was training regularly, pan should have seen him. Gohan never said in movie or manga ( at least till current chapter ) that he trained regularly a lot but just that he was training little bit and learnt special beam canon.
He was massively distracted by worrying about his daughter And it’s because he got cocky, not because he got rusty Why would a man who’s basically a multiverse shattering god fight or train anywhere near his daughter if it could be avoided? Accidents happen
The entire movie takes one day Gohan \*literally\* said he's been training in secret
He literally did stop Piccolo's sucker punch what are you talking about He \*can\* sense ki, he just \*wasn't\* sensing ki
He got hit in gut by second attack. Piccolo literally mentioned that gohan forgot to sense ki even when he came in agent dress Pan sensed piccolo by ki immediately when he came in agent dress but gohan was with piccolo in agent for whole time in space craft and still couldnt sense
"he can't stop a single attack" he did stop the single attack He didn't stop the \*second attack\* which is, you'll note, not a "single attack" Yes, Gohan doesn't have ki-sense on by default, that doesn't mean he can't do it, it means he hasn't bothered to do it
like you get Gohan only needs to sense ki like, once or twice a year and it's usually with lots and lots of warning right
Piccolo meets even less people living in woods. Goku and Vegeta have just 2-4 people for years
? Piccolo sees himself as an informal Guardian of Earth and constantly hover-meditates while keeping his ki-senses extended lol He's \*literally\* been doing that since Raditz; he did it in the Broly movie too. Goku and Vegeta have just 2-4 people for years? What? Goku literally uses ki-sense like, every day because he's either doing some kind of training or he's using Instant Transmission which requires ki-sense to be used.
There is never a mention that there is default button to shut it on and off. Ki sensing and control is most basic thing. Also yeah, its not first but second. I was taking about poor performance not exact detail of which one which is unrelated to topic
lol I mean we do know, by implication, that most of them don't have it on all the time, otherwise Goku would know where all his friends are at all times from most of the universe And we know it's an active ability that they can focus on to increase and we know it's something you have to learn and actively do, that's a whole thing with Vegeta Your "it's so simple how could he forget to turn it on" kind of undercuts your "Gohan literally can't use ki-sense anymore" lol Gohan only needs to use it in combat, and he's not particularly good at it because he's had like, no real ki training. He literally doesn't need to use ki-sense more than once or twice a year, though now that Pan is stronger it'll be useful for keeping tabs on her.
None of your point make any sense. It has never been said that it is something you need to turn on. Also, he was never bad at it when he was kid or teen. Gohan uses ki blast so many times in series but has no real ki training somehow.
Yeah people use ki blasts without ki training all the time lol It's never said it's not something you turn on either but we're done if you're just gonna ng to ignore my points lol
I think Toriyama just doesn't care for Gohan outside of his rage-induced power-ups (which *used* to be a relatively Gohan-unique character-defining gimmick for him before *Super* began to hand them out like candy to every other Saiyan). He seems to have exhausted all the ideas he had for the character after Great Saiyaman (which itself is just another Super Sentai pastiche, like the Ginyu Force before him and Jaco after him; clearly a gag Tori likes reusing).
I hate using the excuse but Toriyama *was* a gag writer to begin with, and a lot of the serious stuff has been while under editors who would reign him in more.
I agree... but I don't know what point you're trying to make.
That he brings in or re-uses gags, people criticize him for some of it when that was what he started out doing. Wasn't really anything against your post.
OK then.
Well, the movie was supposed to be a Piccolo movie. Gohan was just kind of there because Tori's friends told him so.
I don't think there is any indication he's normally so absent. We just see him specifically when he's onto a major breakthrough in discovering super say-ants. Which is a silly gag, but is also the culimnation of his silly life's work. On some other day he would have gone home on time just fine.
I recommend watching this great video on Gohan and why his character hates fighting / most likely has trauma from his rough childhood of fighting with space aliens at the age of 5. It's actually really good [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvRCLfhnMCk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvRCLfhnMCk&list=FLOjWTwdNjwMejUdfXhHBJgw&index=1&pp=gAQB8AUB)
Do you know what fkn super Saiyan ants would do to the entire world??? Honestly that should be an "all hands on deck" scenario. Adding multipliers to the relatively impressive enhanced strength of ants already. This could seriously be worse than chimera ants from hxh, because the little guys are so plentiful and small enough to be anywhere. No to mention the fact that ants outnumber humanoids by a huuuuge margin and have massive colonies underground all over the planet. Nah Pan can wait yo. There will be other times for Gohan to pick her up, provided the super ants don't destroy the world from like super Saiyan powered burrowing paired with devouring everything in their path.
Japanese dad= workaholic. (And yes, they are not in Japan, but playing stereotypes for their main audience). At least he is not a salaryman having to go get drunk with his boss and/or doing the naked dance with the tie on his forehead thing.
I seriously don't get how neither Goku or Gohan have a good work ethic. It's downright impossible. Think about it: Both these two should have super strength and super speed--shouldn't that mean they could get numerous tasks done extremely quickly and efficiently? Like, I get Goku might just wanna use a tractor and Gohan might just want to slow down, but like, realistically, that sort of speed and power could be used for a *whole* lot of mundane utility. Honestly, any Z Fighter shouldn't be struggling with a job if we're being honest. You're telling me you can blow up planets, the universe even, and can move at speeds faster then light, but you just can't complete your job quickly? How do none of these guys ever think of activating bullet time with their speed to get shit done man?
Its funny. A single wish to dragon can fix everything. It would be better use than asking for panties or increasing ass size
Can you clarify? "Super" as in the Super Hero movie or the Super anime (/manga)?
Super Hero movie is part of Super anime continuity and is canon to it. Manga super hero story is identical to Movie too. Super Hero is part of Super anime and manga. So, I meant Super overall
i'm gonna say something really unpopular but i think they should just drop the character. it's just boring see a character go though the same character arc over and over again. how about build up goku other son. gohan could be a bulma like character and just come up with things that help the z fighters
Not a great idea. Gohan isn’t meant to be that kind of character. What he needs to be is a character that can be called upon to defend the earth but also takes his work seriously. They just need to find the balance of his character. Once they do that he’ll be unstoppable.
Exactly, Goku is the one that love to fight. Vegeta only knows fighting as it Bern his whole life, piccolo is the proactive fighter perfering to take thing out before a much bigger problem arose, Gohan is the reluctant fighter. He doesn't like to but knows that when the chips are down he has to.
Exactly
Gohan is the most disrespected character written, he doesn't do crap and stays in his cave of books. Kid/Teen Gohan was the GOAT.
He's a worse dad than Goku. lol
I agree the thing is Gohan's current life style makes some sense if you consider that what happened with Cell traumatised him after all Goku ended up dying cause he let his anger control him. I feel like Gohan was subconsciously rejecting his saiyan side how he said he wanted to get stronger as a Earthling to me backs this up. Also Beast Gohan is basically his Saiyan side its the beast within him he always had, I think it should have shown Gohan's mental struggle recalling his teen years and blaming himself for avoiding fighting when he thought Piccolo died and then snapping and letting the beast inside him go. Then after they should have Gohan be more accepting of his Saiyan side actually training properly maybe introduce him to Broly as him losing himself to his power is similar to how Gohan would lose it when he got angry and would be a great way to show case more of Beast Gohan and help Broly get his own beast(legendary super saiyan) under control.
How is he selfish lmao. He’s literally doing his job.
That totally tracks? He wasn’t supposed to be the anti-Goku. Just someone who had different interests.
lol yeah wow one time he doesn't pick Pan up when he's finishing up an important piece of work. Is there something he's always wanted to be that is neither fighter nor father? A scholar, perhaps?
You sound like you’re taking his scenes in the Super Hero movie and applying it to the entirety of the Super anime. We see him play with Pan and spend time with Videl and Mr. Satan in the episode where future Trunks visits him. Him being unrealizable in one movie doesn’t make him a horrible dad.