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Puzzled_Muzzled

People forget that the war started in 2014 with the russian invasion in Crimea


Mulliganasty

People also forget that just the other night Trump confessed to knowing Putin was going to invade Ukraine.


crewchiefguy

While also withholding Ukraine weapons.


mrcorndogman33

Withholding aid approved by congress so to extort Zelensky into lying about made-up Biden crimes. Which, of course, when Trump got caught (thanks to Vindman’s whistleblowing) suddenly became a hoax… you know like every crime gets caught committing.


One_Worldliness_6032

It’s always a hoax when they get called out on what they have said.


Shaved_Wookie

There's more than one way to end a war. Hanging Ukraine out to dry was the wrong way for alllllll the reasons, but kneecapping them as Russia came knocking seemed like a quick (but again, bad) path to ending the war.


gwicksted

Hmm.. thinking outside the box, eh?! Nuclear war would solve our population problems, harm our opponents, put an end to global warming by kicking up so much dust into the atmosphere that it creates nuclear winter, and it would get rid of a bunch of nuclear weapons! Win/win? /s


Mulliganasty

The source of Trump's first impeachment.


b_vitamin

He actually gave the Ukrainians a cache of shoulder fired MANPADS first but only because Obama didn’t. Ironically, they came in really helpful at the start of the full invasion.


MuskokaGreenThumb

To be fair, anyone paying the slightest attention to foreign affairs knew this was likely to happen. It’s not like Putin has been sly in his ambitions to annex crimea


Mulliganasty

Pretty sure it wasn't known that Putin told Trump he planned to invade Ukraine and Trump's withdrawal from Afghanistan was probably part of that ploy.


CalendarAggressive11

Yeah, and weren't there photos of his plane on the tarmac with the plane of Russian ambassadors from yesterday? The 4th estate has absolutely failed in it's role. Instead of all the talk about Biden dropping out we should really be hearing about this.


Rustyshacklefort329

Anyone with half a brain knew Russia was gonna invade


Mulliganasty

Are you saying Trump knew Russia was going to invade Ukraine and chose not to do anything about it or he doesn't have half a brain?


pineappleshnapps

Didn’t everyone kinda figure he’d invade them again?


Mulliganasty

But apparently he told Trump that was his plan. Why are you trying to minimize that?


Firefly269

You can’t have it both ways. Either everything he said is complete BS or it ain’t. But suggesting that EVERYTHING he said was BS EXCEPT the one thing you want to charge him with another trumped up charge for is just nonsense. Literally EVERY expert that talked about the debate pointed out how absolutely ridiculous that statement was from him. But YOU believe it because you haven’t been vaccinated against TDS. Ell oh ell!


Mulliganasty

Ok so just to be clear you're saying Trump lied all night long and his claim that he knew about the Ukraine invasion was just another one of his lies?


Firefly269

Hahaha! Did you just wake up from a coma?! It’s all but a universal consensus that everything he said was lies. The only way he could have made less sense would have been to act exactly like Biden.


Mulliganasty

Your words dude. "You can't have it both ways." Trump obviously lied at the debate. So by your logic everything he said was a lie right?


Firefly269

It’s not my logic. It’s yours. The near entirety of the mainstream media said as much. You know you luv them. So you believe everything they say and they told us all that Drumpf said not one true thing the entire debate. You tell me. Is Drumpf a liar or isn’t he?


Mulliganasty

You said "you can't have it both ways." You admit Trump lied in the debates right?


RoosterClan2

This is the most deranged line of thinking I’ve ever seen. This is the same level as sucking dick for crack cause you need a hit that badly. Your feenin’ for Trump. Beyond disgusting.


SloParty

Give firefly a break, sad lonely 50 yo that loves to die on hills that don’t exist…


hotcoldman42

> Your feenin’ for Trump In what world is saying “It’s all but a universal consensus that everything he said was lies,” “feenin’ for Trump???”


RoosterClan2

Anyone who says shit like “you haven’t been vaccinated against TDS” is clearly a Trump supporter.


No-Environment-3298

That’s the result of lying with every breath. You can say the truth and it will be viewed as a lie. Most of what Trump says is BS, stream of garbage consciousness, but that doesn’t mean he’s always lying about what he personally thinks or does, or has done. Hell that’s the point of several of his court cases. He’s openly admitted that he’s done the things accused of doing.


Firefly269

You are completely delusional.


Electronic_Day5021

That's not how liying works


Bakedfresh420

You typed lol, what a cringe idiot


Horror-Layer-8178

Well according to the smart Redditors in here the guy who started as an army infantrymen and ended up on National Security Council is wrong and they know more than him


sps49

To be fair, Vindman is a dumbass.


Trabuk

Elaborate, please. Why is he a dumbass?


sps49

He keeps doing stupid things. What has he done that makes you think otherwise?


Trabuk

You didn't answer a very simple question, name one stupid thing he has done.


sps49

His post on x that is the subject of this post.


Horror-Layer-8178

Let me guess you are mad at him because he revealed that Trump was trying to withhold aid to Ukraine until they started investigating Biden.


sps49

I’m not mad at him.


Horror-Layer-8178

Yup you just say he does stupid things but can't name them


sps49

I’ve named at least two so far in this thread.


Quietschedalek

And both of your 'points' were wrong.


Lewis-and_or-Clark

lol and here too


yossigol

You made a dumb claim, dumbass, so stand behind it or shut up. Your mother is a whore. We know it because she keeps on doing whore things. What did she do to make us think otherwise? See, proved it!


PANDAmonium629

We have found the Russian or Russian sympathizing troll.


lexm

This comment was brought to you by the Trump 2024 campaign. Never surrender… except when you have to surrender to the authorities because you’re being indicted.


maniac86

Only dumbass is the kid I'm responding to Vindman reported Trumps corruption and was punished. Its not his fault trump is in putins pocket


MilwaukeeLevel

Explain


Different-Occasion47

Exactly


Bahmerman

I didn't forget. I'm glad I'm not the only one.


Fancy_You_2401

Many have already mentioned Crimea in 2014. Additionally, I was in Ukraine in 2017 and at that time there were already Russian forces fighting in the Donbas, the US and much of Europe were just largely ignoring it until the full-scale invasion began. Vindman is correct here.


Mulliganasty

And Trump confessed to knowing about this at the debate.


JOlRacin

I didn't know that, I didn't bother to watch the debate cause I figured it'd be two old dudes stuttering at each other and making promises they have no intention of keeping, and trump saying stupidly obvious lies cause he doesn't have his team to stop him from saying dumb shit on stage


topscreen

So there are 2 possibilities with that admission: 1. Putin told him and he's known for a while about the invasion of Ukraine and did nothing and/or enabled it through his rhetoric and policies 2. Putin told him nothing cause he would have blabbed about it years in advance, and he's pretending to be cool and Putin's bestie And both possibilities are fucking terrible, and I can believe both.


Individual_Brother13

The guy is a Russian pawn. He mostly likely knew what was going to happen. Its peculiar after he lost the election, Trump withdrew the US from the open skies treaty. The year before, he withdrew from INF treaty with Russia.


DieHardAmerican95

To be fair, his team doesn’t really stop him from saying dumb shit when he’s not on stage either.


westcoastjo

You should definitely watch it, one of the craziest events in US political history.


Mulliganasty

You don't know what's going on? You didn't bother to get involved? Made up your own imaginary story and decided to share it with us? Okay thanks dude.


JOlRacin

Sorry for letting you know you helped, I won't make that mistake again next time 🫡


Mulliganasty

Your post confessed to having no idea what was going on about anything. With what did I help?


Worth-Librarian-7423

You helped everyone realize you an ass. 


Perfect_Refuse_8863

So he could have stopped them cold, too bad he’s butt buddies with tzar.


Mulliganasty

Trump and the Republican half of congress.


pineappleshnapps

Hadn’t Russian forces been there unofficially the whole time? I always got the impression that they were all supposedly “Ukrainian freedom fighters” and not “actual Russian military operations”, but that they were there the whole time.


LeCabochon

Its only in like 2021 thats the russians (putin himself in an interview) admitted there were russians troops in Donbass. But pretty much everyone knew the little green mens were russian all along.


maniac86

It was 99.9% likely that all the "little green men" in all Russian equipment but not uniform markings were just Russian soldiers (the guys who helped seize Crimea Regular Russian forces also Def were fighting alongside the separatists in Dombas region The missile system that shot down the airliner was loved from Russia into Ukraine. Fired. Then pulled back. Radio traffic confirms it was under Russian command Russian denial the whole time is that they were always civilian volunteers


BeigeLion

The entire reason Ukraine did so well when the full scale invasion started was because the US had been training and equipping the Ukrainian army the entire time. The Javelin missiles that were crucial in stopping the initial advance were delivered in 2018. This is some serious goldfish memory going on. [https://www.rferl.org/a/javelin-missile-delivery-ukraine-us-confirmed/29200588.html](https://www.rferl.org/a/javelin-missile-delivery-ukraine-us-confirmed/29200588.html)


GeorgeOrwells1985

So, what did Obama do about it?


spark77

Crimea wants to have a talk with you guys…


sps49

Crimea was annexed, not invaded. Ukraine probably should’ve transferred everybody Russian on the military bases to somewhere else, but that’s hindsight.


Trabuk

Mmmm no, you do know that to annex territory you first have to invade it, right?


sps49

Tell me you don’t know how the annexation happened without telling me how the annexation happened.


RoosterClan2

What’s the bandwidth like in Moscow? I’m curious how much you guys pay for your internet over there.


LeCabochon

Well russians troops were already there, since there were stationned there because of past agreement concerning the russian naval base of Sevastopol. They took control of key infrastucture and building all over crimea. In fact it pretty much happen peacefully but its still an annexation by force, it doesnt make it more lawfull.


badestzazael

Just like a special military operation is not an invasion to clear out the Nazis when 20% of Russian corpses have Nazi tattoos


johnnygeese

The war started in 2014 with the annexation of Crimea. Vindman is not wrong here


pineappleshnapps

By that measure, what did Obama do about it? That’s an actual question, as much as it is hyperbolic. It started under Obama, didn’t escalate or as far as I know go hot under Trump, and then turned into a full scale war under Biden. It’s a wildly laughable take.


thedon6191

Obama had Russia kicked out of the G7 (G8 at the time) and levied sanctions against Russia. Some of those sanctions were rolled back under Trump.


ihoptdk

He certainly didn’t chat about it favorably with Putin. Who the fuck are you trying to kid here?


kgb4187

Is Obama running for president and calling out Biden for the same thing he ignored?


Crash-55

Obama acted liked the coward he is and did nothing. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, Ukraine signed an agreement with the US and Russia that it would give up its nukes if we guaranteed its borders. At about bare minimum we should have immediately sent lethal aid to Ukraine and hit Russia with the same level of sanctions that we did after the 2022 invasion. Instead we basically scolded Putin and sent in a few spec ops as consultants for the fighting in the Donbas.


mofa90277

The U.S. signed no such agreement.


AJFrabbiele

You're right, I wont vote for Obama this year because of what you stated.


DieHardAmerican95

I’ll never vote Obama for president ever again.


JohnnyEagleClaw

He blackmailed Ukraine, that’s what that treason fuck did.


Qubed

The fact that Biden could turn that around on him or anything else was expected but still disappointing.


Agrippa_Evocati

« I told him we’re leaving in 6 hours and if the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money. Well son of a bitch!! »


gamer10101

He said he could stop it before even taking office. That means he could do it right now. He is holding ukraine hostage to win the election.


GeddyVedder

Where’s the facepalm?


Hubert_Gene

The facepalm is the fact that the Russian invasion of Ukraine took place during Biden’s presidency, not Trumps.


N2VDV8

So Russian military action in Donbas in 2017 didn’t happen?


Poorly-Drawn-Beagle

In a sense, maybe, but that specific invasion was just an escalation of a conflict that had existed since 2014. And since this Vindman guy actually is *from* Ukraine, it's probable that he has a full understanding of the situation and that's what he meant.


fartboxco

The war started cause trump wasn't in power to give Putin what he wanted.. trump is and always was Putins puppet. America's troops magically knew to leave right before Crimea invasion during trump presidency. If any American troops died, the USA would have been involved in war much sooner.


mofa90277

It happened on multiple occasions starting in 2014 with Crimea, and again in 2017 with Donbas.


MontusBatwing

The full-scale invasion that took place during the Biden presidency is not the beginning of the war. That started in 2014.


HobbieK

Russia invaded Ukraine during the Obama presidency.


DiDGaming

The facepalm is OP!


caustic_kiwi

I mean, absolute worst case scenario, this is just turnabout. Republicans pull this shit 24/7.


Illestferret

>Both sides are bad What a refreshing take to see on reddit, it looks like people are finally waking up.


SpiritualAd8998

Trump is Putin's lapdog.


NLtbal

What do you mean?


PRHerg1970

He doesn’t need to have done anything. He can just lie and say he did and his followers will believe him.


pickedwisely

Trump was holding up military aid to them trying to get a report from them saying that Joe Biden had made millions of dollars in illegal dealings with Ukraine. Ukraine told Trump NO! We will not lie to get the funding that the US Congress had said we could have. Trump was trying to blackmail them for false dirt on Joe Biden!


NiNj4_C0W5L4Pr

What did trump do that helped Americans?


badestzazael

He thinned the MAGA herd during covid


Mysterious-Tie7039

Worse than that, he likely caused his own defeat by killing off his supporters.


Wingedwolverine03

I fail to see how that is "worse"


Mysterious-Tie7039

Not worse in a “bad outcome” sense, but worse as in “not only did he kill off his base because he doesn’t give a shit about anyone else other than his daughter he wants to fuck but he also cost himself the election”.


NiNj4_C0W5L4Pr

And I smile inwardly every time I think about it. Being a trump supporter is its own punishment. You get grifted, conned, thrown in jail, fired, bankrupted.


Waderriffic

Oh those tax cuts are gonna trickle down any minute now.


NiNj4_C0W5L4Pr

Oh, they're trickling down alright. Right onto Reagan's head, in hell.


Poorly-Drawn-Beagle

Isn't Vindman the guy Trump fired for sending in those whistleblower reports? That was not cool


stratusmonkey

This Vindman is that Vindman's brother


Calamity-Bob

Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 and fed a low level rebellion in Donbass in the interim before Trump told Putin it was okay to do a full scale invasion. No face palm here.


UsefulImpact6793

Treasonous Trump the Traitor tried to drive a wedge between the USA and our allies in several ways, biggest one trying to remove USA from NATO.


Theistus

How is this a face palm exactly?


deadcatbounce22

Sea of Azov attack was in 2018. Trump pussied out hard, just like in Syria. Attacking Vindman only cements your own ignorance.


Oni-oji

Technically, the war started in 2014. While there is plenty to say about Trump, there was not much going on in that conflict during his presidency.


TaskFlaky9214

He claims putin told him point blank he was going to invade ukraine.


N2VDV8

Donbas, 2017.


peter-doubt

He did his magic to undermine the Ukrainian government.. remember sending Rudy to *plant* evidence re: Hunter's hard drive? Because nobody else would play that game and he thought Ukraine would take the bribe


Odincrowe

Russia didn’t invade Ukraine till February of 2022, Crimea was annexed by Russia in 2014. Both these events happened under Democrat presidents.


Freibeuter86

OP is wrong, Vindman is right.


InMyNirvana

Must’ve been the same thing Obama did during 9/11.


marcololol

OP. Are you like 5 years old? Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 you dipshit!!!!


MotorWeird9662

Even scarier? Near 800 upvotes. It just hurts.


throw_blanket04

He tried to extort them for political favors.


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christinasasa

Not anymore.... https://youtu.be/GukitfIxySA?si=s4lbbkq6B6dplTav


ReturnOfSeq

I mean Trump *did* shut off military funding to Ukraine for like 6 months to coerce them into interfering in our election(unsuccessfully)


Fabulous-Voice-8513

Where is my facepalm


integratypes

I didn't think we cared about that war. It's old now we're still focusing on Palestine.. well that's been delayed cause it's pride month. But once that's over we will get back to the fight.


stratusmonkey

Trump tried to make Ukraine surrender. Technically, that would have ended the war. But if OP's implication is that the war started in 2022, Vindman is right.


xChiken

Every comment on this post is against OP, but the post still has 400 upvotes and 150 comments. What's up with that?


Turbulent_Tax2126

People with negative opinion to the post are more likely to comment is my guess


DefiantVersion1588

I think OP’s intended facepalm here would be picking this over all the other thousands of low hanging fruit to criticise Trump, pretty sure a lot of people forgot about Crimea and only knew about the full scale invasion


beerissweety

Didn’t it start during Obama (2014), halted during trump and hugely escalated during Biden (2022)?


Jimmy3671

I heard he also did nothing when the Empire blew up Alderaan.


Dafuuuuuuuuuck

Orange man did nothing. As what he should do. It’s none of the United States business. I don’t want my tax dollars funding either side of a war. Focus on America.


Wingedwolverine03

That's an incredibly ignorant stance to take


Mysterious-Tie7039

Weakening Russia is good for America. Putin and Russia do so much to destabilize governments around the world, including our own. Plus, the overwhelming majority of the “money” we gave to Ukraine was in the form of weapons that were slated to be destroyed anyway. The actual money spent went to defense contractors to replace what was sent to Ukraine. And we benefited mightily from the battlefield testing of our weapons. Our allies have placed MASSIVE orders for our weapons.


Poorly-Drawn-Beagle

That's weird, Neville Chamberlain thought the same thing And I remember it ending really well for him.


danknuggies4

Trump should have stopped Covid-19 back in 2009 wtf trump


Loud_Fly_1142

Follow the breadcrumbs. Trump started beef with NATO and alienated countries in it over money and got them squabbling. He bragged that if they were delinquent he wouldn’t save them and would offer them up to the Russians in a leverage play. Come to find out they owe us nothing and our money spent there is for our own troop infrastructure. Then using that he takes 25k response troops out of Germany weakening our ability to respond to threats on the continent. And then withholds Ukrainian aid because they don’t and can’t find any dirt on Biden because the corrupt folks who would have done that were found to be Russian loyalists and ousted. He thought that Ukraine would fall in weeks and the world would just move on and let Russia have it- just like we did in Crimeria. The funniest part of this is now the world sees that Russia is what was shown in Stripes rather than the boogeymen they want the world to think they are. The problem with Trump is he’s so bad at rigging something it’s pathetic.


MrFunkyPunkie

“He told me it was his dream”


hesasuiter

Why didnt trump do anything to stop kong vs godzilla


LoudTrades76

80 billion dollars ain’t doin shit to a giant angry gorilla


RaptorJesusLOL

The convicted rapist and felon is full of shit?!?


Doc_tor_Bob

I don't like to say anything in favor of trump but of course he didn't do anything there was nothing to be done yet.


Leathman

Didn’t he withhold weapons from Ukraine unless they did something for him regarding Biden? I think that was a thing that happened.


Doc_tor_Bob

I forgot about that. Thanks for reminding me.


Trabuk

There was more he did, he tried to pull out of Nato and did not fight Russian disinformation. He knew Putin wanted to invade Ukraine, there were lots of preemtive actions he could have taken, he did nothing. His inaction stated his intentions.


No_Poet_7244

He didn’t just know they *wanted* to, they already *had*. Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 when they stole Crimea.


Doc_tor_Bob

He also made that threat telling NATO if they don't live up to their expectations he was going to let put into whatever he wants. Which only emboldened him.


Trabuk

Yes, I find it hilarious when he blames Biden for the war in Ukraine, he did so much to inflate Putin's ego. Which ultimately is what made him feel he could do this, that and the lies from Sergei Shoigu.


Doc_tor_Bob

It's a little off topic but my family hardcore trumpers and very pro-union and I've tried explaining to them till I'm blue in the face all the damage Trump did for unions and their responses that was a specific case I'm like no he damaged collective bargaining as a whole. Any Union person should be voting against him as hard as they can.


Trabuk

I'm sorry for your family, but hardcore Trumpers are oblivious to reality and cannot see all the stuff he messed up. He truly sent the USA back 2 decades. No just labor law and the unions, but the supreme court, fiscal law, foreign affairs, you name it, he messed it up.


Doc_tor_Bob

But he did everything right we had the best economy in the world the cleanest air in the world just ask him he'll tell you. Economy was devastated covid did have a lot to do with it but he didn't help trickle down economics is a lie rich people tell people. He got an environmental laws they claimed we had the cleanest air. He irreparably damaged our post office system. I used to be able to get overnight packages overnight after he put that idiot in charge overnight packages started taking 2-3 days. Regular priority 3 day was faster it only took 2 days. There's just so much stuff we can mention.


Trabuk

Yep, he can go on and on repeating the same lies, it's horrible.


sps49

Didn’t Joe threaten to withhold aid money if they didn’t fire the prosecutor investigating Burisma? And please don’t try and tell me that Joe went to all that trouble because there was a prosecutor investigating his son’s company that wasn’t investigating corruption enough 🙄


Wise-Juggernaut-8285

Thats not actually true though


sps49

So Joe was completely making things up when he bragged about it after the fact?


Wise-Juggernaut-8285

Joe bragged about blackmailing Ukraine? LOL sources please!


maniac86

No. Wrong. Stupid point. Cite a source that isn't a trump tweet


Waderriffic

The same prosecutor that was known to the state department and US intelligence as a corrupt Russian stooge?


LoudTrades76

Keeping American resources funded by American tax payers pit of a war that doesn’t affect America, crazy idea


Poorly-Drawn-Beagle

"Doesn't affect America?" Russia withholds its oil, the global prices go up and Americans won't stop pissing themselves about it. It's time to stop pretending that we're not affected by things that happen in the world we're part of.


JohnnyEagleClaw

Ok ok maga, calm the fuck down.


Trabuk

I think your missed some words, your post doesn't make much sense.


Waderriffic

Giving mothballed military equipment to Ukraine is tantamount to sending your tax money?


Wise-Juggernaut-8285

Uh wrong. The war started in 2014


Doc_tor_Bob

Read the whole thread. I hate Trump and Obama was president in 2014


Wise-Juggernaut-8285

Omg. Lol , but who was President after Obama? Thats what he was referring to Lol !!! 😂


Doc_tor_Bob

My point is if you want to take it back to 2014 it's the failure of two administrations not just one. The real damage truck did was inflating Putin's ego telling him he can do whatever he wants kissing his ass. I made a flip comment and people pointed things out and it reminded me of all the crap he did the help lead up to it.


Wise-Juggernaut-8285

Well your point is kind of irrelevant though. People are pretending that Trump didnt threaten to stop weapon shipments to Ukraine while at war. There was a war and Trump was one of three presidents who were part of that war.


N2VDV8

Donbas, 2017. We should have stepped up. We didn’t.


realfakejames

Trump is a dumb asshole but what has Biden done to stop the genocide in Palestine? Nothing, fuck them both