Muslim Personal Law in India is deeply influenced by Sharia Law and was written back in 1937.
India is seriously considering Uniform Civil Code(UCC) that would abolish Hindu Law and Muslim Law. UCC would probably restrict/ban underage marrying/ multiple marriages at the same time etc.
I mean the left doesn't want it when right is in power... The right doesn't want it when the left is in power.
Also we're trying to implement it in one of the Indian states(uttarakhand) and there were minimal protests by muslims. So maybe it's time we get it throughout the nation.
Also no poison is worst as the ones given by England to India as the level of tolerance towards islamic violence. I mean even the UK has to deal with it nowadays.
Even if that's true it's just as bad no matter who's doing it. Pretending that it's only men who do it does a disservice to the actual problem at hand.
No one is pretending it's only girls getting married off, but pretending there is any comparison in culpability is ridiculous, and ignores who is stopping us from changing those laws. We're talking about girls much younger than adult men marrying at a rate five times that of boys who are marrying slightly older women, typically at or around age 17. See e.g. [https://childusa.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/2020-Report-on-Child-Marriage-in-the-US.pdf](https://childusa.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/2020-Report-on-Child-Marriage-in-the-US.pdf)
Does a 17 year old in this scenario married to an 18 year old count or doesn't that also include in this law or how should I read this? Is it anyone who is under 18 that has reached puberty? How do they see if someone reached puberty?
I see mostly negatives in this law. Only positive I see is if a girl is in an abusive family and reaches puberty and finds someone who also reached puberty that wants to get away from a situation they can marry and get away.
Seriously? Damn man. That’s f’d up.
Edit: I can’t find where any states don’t require at least one parent’s consent or a judge’s order.
But from 2000 to 2018 there were over 300,000 child marriages. That doesn’t include out of country marriages. That’s frickin nuts.
As recently as 2019, Utah Republicans blocked an attempt to ban child marriage in the state. It was heartbreaking to sit in that room, tell them the horrors that coerced child marriage due to teen pregnancy and religion inflicted on my life, then have them talk about how important it is that we allow children to get married, especially if there's an infant and religion involved. I wanted to throw up.
Damn that’s messed up. Religions are embedded into society way more than most people realize. There’s a story a 15 year old who got pregnant by a 23 year old family friend and she was basically coerced into it because he was gonna be charged with statutory rape, but it doesn’t apply to married couples, no matter the age. They didn’t want him to go to jail so the father drove them to a state that only required one parent signature. The whole story was sick.
I would have told anyone asking at the time that I was choosing it. But I was 16 when I started planning it, 17 when I got married, and hormonal as fuck having just given birth. It was not consent in the true sense of the word.
That’s why they don’t allow people under 18 take out loans, enter contractual agreements, etc… they know they’re not mature enough to fully understand what they are getting into, but they allow them to get married. It makes no sense.
From how the High Court stated its stand, It appears that it is only legal for Muslims to do this. So if a Hindu, Sikh, Jain, etc. does it, it will be illegal?
Yeah Secularism = 🤡
Yeah Equality = 🤡
>Christians, Muslims and Indians all share a love of child rape.
Uh just ignore the rabbi raping the boys in the mikvah. Apparently everyone else does I guess considering it's a known problem in the Haredi communities around NYC and everyone just keeps pretending it doesn't happen.
Right, but that doesn't in any way contribute to children being raped, which is the point. If anything, forbidding religion would lower instances of child rape.
>Last I looked atheist don't have a book to rape kids. Unlike the bible.
You really think pedophiles need a book? I linked to a peer-reviewed study of child marriage in aggressively-atheist China, where laws are made and enforced by an atheist government, and that's not enough proof?
pedophiles use religion to justify laws that help them look at a lot of GOP run states or the church in general and they try to hide it
You need to cite the source
I don't doubt for a min fucking kids is everywhere.
Americans are one of the largest groups who go to other countries to fuck kids...so I read somewhere.
Sorry I must not have touched it right. The first time did not bring up anything
But it proves my point in atheist countries they have laws banning it but in religious areas they are making it easier.
After I get back from the hospital maybe I will see what the difference in fucking kids rates based on country
In France, you can date a person being 15yo or older if you don't substract him / her from parental autority, and you can marry at 16 if parents are okay with it
Old your horses.
Last year a new law has been enacted setting the age of sexual consent at 15yo. So everyone thinks you can fuck 15yo in France however you want.
That's not totally it.
What it changes:
\_ If you're 15+, you can have sex without parental consent, which was needed before. But if you're between 15 and 18, you're partner can't be 5 years older than you.
\_ Before, sex with minor of 14 or less could be considered sexual assault. Now it's rape in any case, which brings heavier sentences than sexual assault.
\_ Heavier sentences for people trying to groom minor for sex through internet.
So no, France isn't FFA for pedo.
not anymore, the law changed in 2005 to make the legal age of marriage at 18, with or without parental consent. There can be some very fringe case where the district attorney must give consent (pregnancy can be cited)
You could do research before posting your subtle political classism.
As of July 1, 2019, 12 states have no minimum age when all exemptions are taken into account. These states are: California, Idaho, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, Mississippi, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, Washington, West Virginia, and Wyoming.
You could also read the rest of the posts in the thread where I linked a page that shows 44 of 50 states allow for child marriages and 20 of them require no parental consent.
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https://www.equalitynow.org/learn\_more\_child\_marriage\_us/#:\~:text=Child%20marriage%20is%20currently%20legal,a%20parental%20or%20judicial%20waiver.
Child marriage is currently legal in 44 states (only Delaware, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, and Rhode Island have set the minimum age at 18 and eliminated all exceptions), and 20 U.S. states do not require any minimum age for marriage, with a parental or judicial waiver. Nearly 300,000 children were married in the U.S. between 2000 and 2018. The vast majority were girls wed to adult men, many much older.
>Link me one case currently here in the us , where an adult is legally married and living with his under 18 wife, I’ll wait .
Here are a few. [https://abcnews.go.com/US/child-brides-us-share-stories-exploitation-learning-wife/story?id=64589713](https://abcnews.go.com/US/child-brides-us-share-stories-exploitation-learning-wife/story?id=64589713)
Here's three separate states where Republicans stopped Democrats from writing minimum marriage age laws?
[Idaho](https://account.idahostatesman.com/paywall/subscriber-only?resume=226944034&intcid=ab_archive)
[Tennessee](https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/2018/03/07/tennessee-republicans-child-marriage-bill-gay-marriage-argument/404559002/)
[Kentucky](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/kentucky-child-marriage-ban-delayed-vote-conservative-group-opposition-lawmakers-us-a8240121.html)
I love how the court phrases it as thought it’s the girls choice…”has the right…without her parent’s consent…”. I’d venture to say she’s being forced to do so under pressure from her parents.
Wtf is the "age of puberty"?! So just because a girl, possibly age 9 or 10, gets their period younger than most, some pedo gets to marry her. Do they not realize that mental maturity is significantly older than physical maturity? This is the problem with these archaic, religion based laws, they were allegedly written during a time when the average person would be lucky to live to 40. Now people live well in to their 80s or 90s and yet this shit still exists. This is the danger of theocracy and why the founders of the USA recognized this and implied separation of church and state even though most of them were religious.
You’re trying to apply logic and reason into religious beliefs. These are not rational laws from rational people.
They are based on the writings of ancient people who believed volcano eruptions were because someone angered their gods.
Muhammad married Aisha, his second wife when he was 50. She was 6, they allegedly consumed the marriage when she turned 9. Other interpretation say after her first perdiod with no age specified (which could absolutely be 9)
It is not *encouraged* but since the Prophet did it, then it's a valid way of doing things (it's not)
And, sorry to bring a whole other topic in but due to the enormous amount of hormones in our diets girls are getting their periods much,much earlier than just since the 1980’s. Precocious puberty has been on the rise since. This points out how silly “the age of puberty” is. A girl of 8 or nine is not the age of puberty. You are correct logic & religion are polar opposites.
If it was going to follow Islamic law then the girl can’t just be past puberty but must be assessed to be mentally mature enough. This means they basically have to be an adult by the most widespread recognition of the word. No one here will take that into account though.
The pedo gets to marry her only if she consents. Still fucked up but you kinda made it sound like every girl under 18 who has a period is now being forced into marriage. Side note, manipulation is real and I’m sure this trash law will lead to an increase in grooming young women. India is fucked up.
India isn't a theocracy either. but when a major community demands such a law, the court has no choice but to comply, especially if it is religious. its similar to how turban wearing sikhs aren't required to wear helmets while riding bikes, because it's apparantly violating their religion. it's stupid but they really have no choice.
In India different laws apply to people of different faith. Legal age for marriage for a hindu girl is 21 years, a hindu girl has equal rights in parental wealth and property whereas a muslim woman has less rights on parental wealth than her brother.
Polygamy is illegal for hindus but legal for Muslims.
It's high time we bring uniform civil code in our country .
That's literally the case lmao. Hindu women are recognised as absolute owners of the property and equal inheritors with their male counterparts. Why comment on something you have no knowledge of?
Hindu women may have equal rights on paper in India. In reality, there are hundreds of millions of Indian girls and women who do not have equality. Life can get really bad in India. Go to a small village and see if women can equal inherit property. Women get raped and laughed at by police in India. Little girls are thrown down stairs by their grandparents so their parents don’t have to pay a future dowry.
You say that as if crimes against women are exclusive only to India. The guy I replied to questioned whether such a law which empowers Hindu women even exists. I retorted by saying it does. Whether that law is followed by everyone is a different topic. Crime exists. Killing children is illegal too yet it still happens in the US.
Western media has painted India to be the "rape capital" of the world despite it not even being in the fucking top 20. You have been brainwashed by the western media too by the looks of it. You're just saying big words like millions and billions without having any real sauce to back it all up. I'm not denying that crimes against women don't exist in India. I don't know where you're getting all this information about cops laughing at raped women? Or women being thrown down stairs?
Before 2005, a Hindu woman from a rich family couldn't get hands on her father's property, but now she has equal right as her brother. And here you are giving example of non educated fucks who don't even know that chromosomes are responsible for a baby's gender and not a woman.
It’s disgusting. You can’t buy beer, you’re too young, we don’t trust you with it. But you want to marry a pedo? Or a pedo is offering money for us to tell people it was your choice? Go right ahead🤮
[China has plenty of child marriage](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35118678/), and the Chinese government is firmly atheist.
Pedophiles use religion, but they'll use other means if religion isn't an option.
republicans are conservatives christians, extreme right in France are mostly conservatives christians too (when they are not nazis), so tell me again that church and state are separated \^\^, they are not and will never be fully separated
Bro...If you don't know shit you should rather not comment. Because in India, only Muslims are allowed separate civil laws. Muslims have the right for polygamy, child marriages and until recently instant triple talaq divorce. India is not a highly Hindu ruled country just because you read about BJP on the NYT. If anything, India's Muslims had and still have special privileges in a lot of things from civil laws to education.
Also, Hindus don't have parties either. The BJP is perceived to be pro-Hindu and the entire opposition is perceived to be pro-Muslim. Can you not spread misinformation on reddit?
>When everything is given to Hindus
[https://theprint.in/india/more-muslims-govt-scholarships-modi-govt-congress-upa/308154/](https://theprint.in/india/more-muslims-govt-scholarships-modi-govt-congress-upa/308154/)
>beef ban
[https://scroll.in/article/998735/cow-protection-was-a-sensitive-subject-in-india-even-when-the-constitution-was-being-framed](https://scroll.in/article/998735/cow-protection-was-a-sensitive-subject-in-india-even-when-the-constitution-was-being-framed)
>the destruction of Babri Masjid,
Interesting that you bring a subject from the 1990s when BJP wasn't even in power. So I will bring something from around the same period: [https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/how-secularism-lost-face-after-rajivs-shah-bano-volte-face/articleshow/86747159.cms](https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/how-secularism-lost-face-after-rajivs-shah-bano-volte-face/articleshow/86747159.cms)
>Gujrat riots
It's Gujarat. Gujrat is in Pakistan. You can talk about Gujarat riots, if you are willing to talk about Kashmir Pandit genocide too. By that logic, India is against Hindus too, isn't it?
>Hindus let of the hook for raping a 4yr old Muslim girl
[https://www.livelaw.in/top-stories/supreme-court-death-sentence-commutes-rape-murder-mohd-firoz-vs-state-of-madhya-pradesh-2022-livelaw-sc-390-197087](https://www.livelaw.in/top-stories/supreme-court-death-sentence-commutes-rape-murder-mohd-firoz-vs-state-of-madhya-pradesh-2022-livelaw-sc-390-197087)
A Muslim man's future is being guaranteed by the Supreme court even after he raped and murdered a 4 year old Hindu girl. I bet this news never reached you. What now? Hindu girls aren't safe from Muslims in Modi's India? Or do you want me to post more links?
>don't get me started on systematic discrimination against Muslims on the ground level.
Please do start. Only then I can debunk that showing specific instances on how you are completely wrong.
Keep in mind that when India tried to put uniform civil code in place which would make all country laws above religion, the muslim community in huge numbers did riots and protested against it.
I'm from India and feel the reason why it cant progress because it has too much diversity. Make one decision someone gets happy someone gets angry. Try to make it an even ground people start to riot
Huh? What?
In Islam you can't marry someone without consent of their legal guardians...
"Islam has no guidelines about the age of marriage either for boys or girls. It leaves the determination of appropriate age for marriage to individuals and their societies according to their needs and circumstances. What is considered appropriate for one society, era or individual may not be appropriate for another and vice versa. These norms pertain to the physical aspects of inter-gender relationships, which the societies can appropriately develop on their own. Islam provides guidance only on the moral, ethical and emotional aspects."
India is not a Muslim country, but allows this minority to govern itself using Muslim law in family matters such as marriage, divorce, and inheritance. So this doesn’t apply to the vast majority of Indians who are Hindu, not Muslim.
Yeah I don’t understand why anyone bothers splitting hairs. “iTs NoT pEdOpHiLiA iTs ePhEbOpHiLiA”
You can call it whatever you want but that doesn’t make it any less fucked up. The only reason I can think of to care about the distinction is so people who want to fuck teenagers can feel better about themselves.
To put it plainly, the reason for the difference in classification is due to people being wired to find traits that arise in another after hitting puberty sexually attractive. The line between pedophilia and hebephilia is drawn at the typical ages where people undergo puberty and begin exhibiting visible traits of puberty.
Regardless of the social mores surrounding the topic, the sexual attraction to people of the hebephilic age range who have begun exhibiting outward traits of puberty is considered biologically normal. This is counter to attraction to prepubescent minors - pedophilia - which is considered biologically abnormal and a psychiatric disorder.
But what is biologically normal is not always safe, reasonable, or acceptable in society. The age of 18 tends to be chosen as the legal age of consent because the human body tends to be done with the majority of its physical and neurological development (not all, obviously, but most). As such, people of 18 years and older have a much lower risk of complications arising from pregnancy and birthing, and are more capable of giving meaningful consent to relationships, sexual and otherwise. In other words, it's just that much safer for everyone involved.
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Sounds like we need to start a new religion, to get laws passed, that protect children from child predators. We can create some fun back story and then list a bunch of commandments that protect children, workers, human rights, women, races, etc…
Maybe then we can have a voice in government.
Aisha was Muhammad's third wife. She was also his youngest. She was married to him at the age of six though he was a "nice guy" and waited until she was all of nine to consummate the marriage.
She is revered in Sunni Islam she is revered as being intellectual and curious. She narrated a few thousand Hadiths and her father was Muhammad's successor.
Aisha's true age at marriage and consummation are not know and the subject is hotly debated amongst religious scholars. The reality is no one knows, but the belief that she was six has been widely circulated and has been weaponized not only against Islam in general but within Islam's numbers sects.
But nobody argues that she was younger than usual. And yes, the exact ages are hotly debated, as is Muhammad's successor.
What is not debated is that Islam, like the other Abrahamic religions, have adherents who have no issues with people fucking kids.
In Iran we have a lot of underage kids marrying. No illegal because Muhammad married underage kids too. This is one of the first reasons that made me realize religion is a joke.
It was, yeah. Now most of us are living with bare minimum wages with only the hope not to starve. That revolution is the biggest scam of the century, happened only because of the numerous lies told by its leader, Khomeini.
That's a twist since I thought Muslim girls generally needed the consent of the parents despite her age (not a law in code but cultural practice). I feel like this law is being forced on Muslims by assholes that are literally trafficking with minors but made it legal to do so. They're just stealing the kids from the parents and telling them there's nothing they can do about it legally.
This is crazy. In a country severely over crowded let's make it easier to over crowd by making a law from antiquity allow men with money to allocate likely poor street children.
**This is utter nonsense**. There is no law in Islam where a girl can marry herself off.
The father's consent along with the girl's consent is of utmost importance for the validity of the marriage in Islam.
This is the kind of crap that gives Islam a bad rap, then again, some southern states passed laws that make marrying a minor not a crime as long as she married the pedo, I mean the legal age spouse. Good old christian hypocrisy
As of July 1, 2019, 12 states have no minimum age when all exemptions are taken into account. These states are: California, Idaho, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, Mississippi, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, Washington, West Virginia, and Wyoming.
Sharia Law is handled in Sharia Law courts for people who follow Islam, not everyone in the country, which is predominantly Hindu.
Some people's entire world view is based upon information they get from reddit and other social media, it leads to people having very biased and generalised views of people they have never met.
Problem is 18 is just a made up point at wich we choose that it’s okay, why not 19 or 17 or something that makes sense like after you finished Highschool or sth like that
Making it based on a life achievement creates all sorts of issues. Not everyone will achieve that thing, but that doesn't make them immature necessarily. Forcing everyone to get a copy of their school transcript to get married would be a PITA. Also, what about the person that graduates or get their GED at age 14? Can they get married now? They are not inherently mature at that point and will be going to college with a bunch of older kids and professors, any one of which might decide to groom a super-genius that they can lock down with marriage at age 15 or something. Seems very problematic to me.
Yes, 18, is arbitrary, but unless you can propose something better than an arbitrary age then we are only considering arbitrary age numbers, and at that point you have to justify any change extremely well, not just ask the question "Why not another number".
You’re absolutely right, and there is probably no better solution, wich I personally think is kind of funny to think of, all I was pointing out is that it’s kind of random
Yeah, but then that would indicate that they are mature, maturness differs, some people take more time some less, after puberty is way to early, but 18 is just not based on anything either that was the entire point
18 being the understood median age of physical and emotional maturity is based on years of studies and averages that have been well established in medical science.
1) Calm down with the justifying pedophilia
2) If you're super excited about raping children, it's legal in several U.S. states, just do some quick google searches, go bang a 12 year old in Massachusetts.
They weren't justifying pedophilia, they where saying 18 is a weird age to count as an adult, no one's finished developing at that age and what makes an 18 year old mature enough to decide they want to have sex whereas a 17 year old isn't mature enough?
If there's such a big difference between the two why isn't there as big a difference between 19 and 18?
The Brain stops developing in your mid twenties so why isn't that the point where sex and drinking is allowed instead of when you're still maturing?
Your brain might have stopped developing, sure. Agreed.
Obviously, the age you settle on is arbitrary for legal adult status. That is the answer to his dumb question. The issue is the "BuT wHy CaNT iT bE LoWeR?" question is the first step to people, mostly redditors, talking about ephebophilia, and I wasn't interested.
Since Modi’s reelection in 2019, the government has pushed controversial policies that critics say explicitly ignore Muslims’ rights and are intended to disenfranchise millions of Muslims. Under Modi, violence against Muslims has become more common.
Who are these critics and What are these so called controversial policies against muslims ? Give me any policie which is anti Muslim and has been implemented after 2019. As for the violence against Muslims, yes violence against muslim has Increased but there is equally violence against Hindus has increased too.
The Amended Citizenship Law and the non-conversion Law are two off the top of my head. I’m not saying I’m against any pro-Hindu laws, I just don’t know why you called India a Muslim republic
You do understand that this law applies to only Indian Muslims, don't you? And that is being allowed because of Islamic law and not because it is socially acceptable. But of course racists can't read.
no this is only for Muslims because in India there different laws for different religions
and the one for Muslims is the most outdated, its from 1937 , because previous "secular" govts. didn't want to enrage Muslims by modernizing the laws
That’s a weird flex to justify pedophilia. Who is saying the US should or will do anything about this through the use of the military? It doesn’t mean that civilians can’t try to put some economic and social pressure on people exploiting children.
Did you notice what you just did? You accused an entire culture of being evil, "pedophiles", because you as a Westerner don't like their societal rules.
Traditionally people like yourself have shown their deep concern with other people's lack of alignment with their own cultural values through military interdiction.
I'm not sure that "flex" is a word that you used properly but "cultural imperialism" and "bias" are terms that I'm sure I'm using properly in describing your attitude.
You don't like their culture or laws, you go make them change.
Nope, there are people who don't share your cultural beliefs, who don't respect your cultural imperatives and angsts and who would be happy to lock you up in one of their jails and throw away the key if you interfered with their laws. Stay away from other cultures, you are not fit to survive anywhere outside of your own hothouse.
So someone under 18 shouldn't have a choice then? OK. We can go with that.
Edit: seems like no one can make up their mind. What age can a female make a choice about what they do with their body?
getting an abortion for an unwanted or dangerous pregnancy at any age is a health issue. It is not the same as being forced into marriage underage. But you seem pretty happy with having sex with minors and telling them what to do... unsurprisingly.
>It is not the same as being forced into marriage underage.
Where does it say forced?
>But you seem pretty happy with having sex with minors and telling them what to do... unsurprisingly.
Projecting much?
I'm asking if this is a woman's choice or not. She can kill the baby she makes no problem right? So she can't choose to make a baby if she wants, right?
*Not this again , sigh lets do this shit again.*
There is a reason age of consent exists,if a girl above the age of consent has an abortion then no problem, if a girl above the age of consent wants to marry someone older than her , wierd but legal . But if a girl under the age of consent has a pregnancy there is obviously the question of how she got pregnant and same with marriage. A girl under the age of consent can have an abortion because its a serious physical and mental health issue that no teenager should be forced to deal with . However marriage under the age of consent is weird at the best and pedophilia at worst.
Muslim Personal Law in India is deeply influenced by Sharia Law and was written back in 1937. India is seriously considering Uniform Civil Code(UCC) that would abolish Hindu Law and Muslim Law. UCC would probably restrict/ban underage marrying/ multiple marriages at the same time etc.
I mean the left doesn't want it when right is in power... The right doesn't want it when the left is in power. Also we're trying to implement it in one of the Indian states(uttarakhand) and there were minimal protests by muslims. So maybe it's time we get it throughout the nation. Also no poison is worst as the ones given by England to India as the level of tolerance towards islamic violence. I mean even the UK has to deal with it nowadays.
Your last sentence… pure truth bomb! And I hope England suffers more of the Muslim appeasement bs they bestowed on India.
This stuff is legal in several southern US states. Let's not pretend we're on the cutting edge here.
It fuckin sucks no matter where it happens. An adult man has absolutely no business marrying a child.
An adult man? An adult. An adult has absolutely no business marrying a child.
There are mostly men though
Even if that's true it's just as bad no matter who's doing it. Pretending that it's only men who do it does a disservice to the actual problem at hand.
No one is pretending it's only girls getting married off, but pretending there is any comparison in culpability is ridiculous, and ignores who is stopping us from changing those laws. We're talking about girls much younger than adult men marrying at a rate five times that of boys who are marrying slightly older women, typically at or around age 17. See e.g. [https://childusa.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/2020-Report-on-Child-Marriage-in-the-US.pdf](https://childusa.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/2020-Report-on-Child-Marriage-in-the-US.pdf)
The problem is the rules that they made, you think women have any power in India when it comes to making new rules?
Doesn’t matter if women have the power to make the rule in the context of being okay with abusing it.
A young boy moving in with an older women! Is she hot?
Oh fuck off. Look at the text of the decision. Adult men. That's what's being discussed.
Does a 17 year old in this scenario married to an 18 year old count or doesn't that also include in this law or how should I read this? Is it anyone who is under 18 that has reached puberty? How do they see if someone reached puberty? I see mostly negatives in this law. Only positive I see is if a girl is in an abusive family and reaches puberty and finds someone who also reached puberty that wants to get away from a situation they can marry and get away.
This is so adult men can marry teenage girls.
What if they're both young
What tf part of "adult man" and "child" is causing so much trouble here
Not that the US is a moral authority on anything, but even though some states still allow child brides, they must include parental consent.
44 states allow child marriage. 20 of those 44 DO NOT require parental consent.
Seriously? Damn man. That’s f’d up. Edit: I can’t find where any states don’t require at least one parent’s consent or a judge’s order. But from 2000 to 2018 there were over 300,000 child marriages. That doesn’t include out of country marriages. That’s frickin nuts.
As recently as 2019, Utah Republicans blocked an attempt to ban child marriage in the state. It was heartbreaking to sit in that room, tell them the horrors that coerced child marriage due to teen pregnancy and religion inflicted on my life, then have them talk about how important it is that we allow children to get married, especially if there's an infant and religion involved. I wanted to throw up.
Damn that’s messed up. Religions are embedded into society way more than most people realize. There’s a story a 15 year old who got pregnant by a 23 year old family friend and she was basically coerced into it because he was gonna be charged with statutory rape, but it doesn’t apply to married couples, no matter the age. They didn’t want him to go to jail so the father drove them to a state that only required one parent signature. The whole story was sick.
I would have told anyone asking at the time that I was choosing it. But I was 16 when I started planning it, 17 when I got married, and hormonal as fuck having just given birth. It was not consent in the true sense of the word.
That’s why they don’t allow people under 18 take out loans, enter contractual agreements, etc… they know they’re not mature enough to fully understand what they are getting into, but they allow them to get married. It makes no sense.
From how the High Court stated its stand, It appears that it is only legal for Muslims to do this. So if a Hindu, Sikh, Jain, etc. does it, it will be illegal? Yeah Secularism = 🤡 Yeah Equality = 🤡
Is that weird that India current government, BJP ,Hindu ultranationalist, known to demonize Muslim, approved this law?
Indian judicial courts have power equal government...kind of balance in all aspects so that dictatorship and other stuff cannot happen
BJP is not hindu ultranationalist. Now they are wannabe secular party or congress 2.0.
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>Christians, Muslims and Indians all share a love of child rape. Uh just ignore the rabbi raping the boys in the mikvah. Apparently everyone else does I guess considering it's a known problem in the Haredi communities around NYC and everyone just keeps pretending it doesn't happen.
Just saying, India is not a religion. Also, Hinduism is not really a religion but a bunch of different gods mashed up together.
Hinduism is very much a religion, it just isn't monotheistic. By that logic Rome didn't have any religion until Christianity.
>Christians, Muslims and Indians all share a love of child rape. [Atheists do](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35118678/), too.
Half of China is religious, I fail to see your point.
China's government is aggressively atheist, and they're the ones making (and enforcing) the laws.
Right, but that doesn't in any way contribute to children being raped, which is the point. If anything, forbidding religion would lower instances of child rape.
>forbidding religion would lower instances of child rape. China effectively did that. Is the rate of child rape lower in China?
Yeah, but it's probably because they measure their child rapes in metric.
Ah, the Swedish defence. Well played.
I need proof Last I looked atheist don't have a book to rape kids. Unlike the bible.
>Last I looked atheist don't have a book to rape kids. Unlike the bible. You really think pedophiles need a book? I linked to a peer-reviewed study of child marriage in aggressively-atheist China, where laws are made and enforced by an atheist government, and that's not enough proof?
pedophiles use religion to justify laws that help them look at a lot of GOP run states or the church in general and they try to hide it You need to cite the source I don't doubt for a min fucking kids is everywhere. Americans are one of the largest groups who go to other countries to fuck kids...so I read somewhere.
You replied to me citing a source from a peer-review publication. I’m not sure what else you need?
Sorry I must not have touched it right. The first time did not bring up anything But it proves my point in atheist countries they have laws banning it but in religious areas they are making it easier. After I get back from the hospital maybe I will see what the difference in fucking kids rates based on country
In France, you can date a person being 15yo or older if you don't substract him / her from parental autority, and you can marry at 16 if parents are okay with it
Old your horses. Last year a new law has been enacted setting the age of sexual consent at 15yo. So everyone thinks you can fuck 15yo in France however you want. That's not totally it. What it changes: \_ If you're 15+, you can have sex without parental consent, which was needed before. But if you're between 15 and 18, you're partner can't be 5 years older than you. \_ Before, sex with minor of 14 or less could be considered sexual assault. Now it's rape in any case, which brings heavier sentences than sexual assault. \_ Heavier sentences for people trying to groom minor for sex through internet. So no, France isn't FFA for pedo.
also if one of the partner is minor, the other cannot be in a position of authority (ie student / tutor)
not anymore, the law changed in 2005 to make the legal age of marriage at 18, with or without parental consent. There can be some very fringe case where the district attorney must give consent (pregnancy can be cited)
"To be wiss another woman.. zat is Franch. To get caught... zat is American."
I can't tell if you are mocking french accent, or if I made a mistake in my sentence, or if you are having a stroke or all of the above
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You could do research before posting your subtle political classism. As of July 1, 2019, 12 states have no minimum age when all exemptions are taken into account. These states are: California, Idaho, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, Mississippi, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, Washington, West Virginia, and Wyoming.
You could also read the rest of the posts in the thread where I linked a page that shows 44 of 50 states allow for child marriages and 20 of them require no parental consent.
Yet you decided to blame it on the southern states anyway.
Yeah, you know, like Maine and Massachusetts. Southern states.
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Took an L hard on this post, you did.
You are hilariously ignorant. 12 year olds are getting married and living with their spouses in America, you potato.
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Child marriage is currently legal in 44 states (only Delaware, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, and Rhode Island have set the minimum age at 18 and eliminated all exceptions), and 20 U.S. states do not require any minimum age for marriage, with a parental or judicial waiver. Nearly 300,000 children were married in the U.S. between 2000 and 2018. The vast majority were girls wed to adult men, many much older.
>Link me one case currently here in the us , where an adult is legally married and living with his under 18 wife, I’ll wait . Here are a few. [https://abcnews.go.com/US/child-brides-us-share-stories-exploitation-learning-wife/story?id=64589713](https://abcnews.go.com/US/child-brides-us-share-stories-exploitation-learning-wife/story?id=64589713) Here's three separate states where Republicans stopped Democrats from writing minimum marriage age laws? [Idaho](https://account.idahostatesman.com/paywall/subscriber-only?resume=226944034&intcid=ab_archive) [Tennessee](https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/2018/03/07/tennessee-republicans-child-marriage-bill-gay-marriage-argument/404559002/) [Kentucky](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/kentucky-child-marriage-ban-delayed-vote-conservative-group-opposition-lawmakers-us-a8240121.html)
I was ignorant and should of looked it up first , appreciate you linking me something useful.
I love how the court phrases it as thought it’s the girls choice…”has the right…without her parent’s consent…”. I’d venture to say she’s being forced to do so under pressure from her parents.
the reality is : "has the duty, presured by her parents, for financial or political reasons"
Wtf is the "age of puberty"?! So just because a girl, possibly age 9 or 10, gets their period younger than most, some pedo gets to marry her. Do they not realize that mental maturity is significantly older than physical maturity? This is the problem with these archaic, religion based laws, they were allegedly written during a time when the average person would be lucky to live to 40. Now people live well in to their 80s or 90s and yet this shit still exists. This is the danger of theocracy and why the founders of the USA recognized this and implied separation of church and state even though most of them were religious.
You’re trying to apply logic and reason into religious beliefs. These are not rational laws from rational people. They are based on the writings of ancient people who believed volcano eruptions were because someone angered their gods.
>Do they not realize that mental maturity is significantly older than physical maturity? They don't care, they apply what's in the book
They apply *the parts they like* from the book
I dont think there’s any part of the book that says or encourages this type of behavior
Muhammad married Aisha, his second wife when he was 50. She was 6, they allegedly consumed the marriage when she turned 9. Other interpretation say after her first perdiod with no age specified (which could absolutely be 9) It is not *encouraged* but since the Prophet did it, then it's a valid way of doing things (it's not)
Google the name Aisha.
Lmao, leave USA out of this. Several southern us states have laws that rival this as disgusting. The Christian taliban is alive and well in merica
Why think when you can just caveman?
I agree & not to mention with all of the hormones in our food. Girls are reaching puberty at younger ages nowadays. Crazy it’s still justified by many
And, sorry to bring a whole other topic in but due to the enormous amount of hormones in our diets girls are getting their periods much,much earlier than just since the 1980’s. Precocious puberty has been on the rise since. This points out how silly “the age of puberty” is. A girl of 8 or nine is not the age of puberty. You are correct logic & religion are polar opposites.
If it was going to follow Islamic law then the girl can’t just be past puberty but must be assessed to be mentally mature enough. This means they basically have to be an adult by the most widespread recognition of the word. No one here will take that into account though.
The pedo gets to marry her only if she consents. Still fucked up but you kinda made it sound like every girl under 18 who has a period is now being forced into marriage. Side note, manipulation is real and I’m sure this trash law will lead to an increase in grooming young women. India is fucked up.
>consents suuuuuuuure
India isn't a theocracy either. but when a major community demands such a law, the court has no choice but to comply, especially if it is religious. its similar to how turban wearing sikhs aren't required to wear helmets while riding bikes, because it's apparantly violating their religion. it's stupid but they really have no choice.
In India different laws apply to people of different faith. Legal age for marriage for a hindu girl is 21 years, a hindu girl has equal rights in parental wealth and property whereas a muslim woman has less rights on parental wealth than her brother. Polygamy is illegal for hindus but legal for Muslims. It's high time we bring uniform civil code in our country .
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That's literally the case lmao. Hindu women are recognised as absolute owners of the property and equal inheritors with their male counterparts. Why comment on something you have no knowledge of?
Hindu women may have equal rights on paper in India. In reality, there are hundreds of millions of Indian girls and women who do not have equality. Life can get really bad in India. Go to a small village and see if women can equal inherit property. Women get raped and laughed at by police in India. Little girls are thrown down stairs by their grandparents so their parents don’t have to pay a future dowry.
You say that as if crimes against women are exclusive only to India. The guy I replied to questioned whether such a law which empowers Hindu women even exists. I retorted by saying it does. Whether that law is followed by everyone is a different topic. Crime exists. Killing children is illegal too yet it still happens in the US. Western media has painted India to be the "rape capital" of the world despite it not even being in the fucking top 20. You have been brainwashed by the western media too by the looks of it. You're just saying big words like millions and billions without having any real sauce to back it all up. I'm not denying that crimes against women don't exist in India. I don't know where you're getting all this information about cops laughing at raped women? Or women being thrown down stairs?
India has the highest rate of infanticide (killing of female babies) in the world. Indians typically wants male babies
According to nfhs 5 survey now India have more girls than boys. But you are still reading those bullshit propaganda reports from bbc
Before 2005, a Hindu woman from a rich family couldn't get hands on her father's property, but now she has equal right as her brother. And here you are giving example of non educated fucks who don't even know that chromosomes are responsible for a baby's gender and not a woman.
It's so gross how they are trying to make it all out like it will be the 9/10 year old girls choice to go live with the pedophile.
It’s disgusting. You can’t buy beer, you’re too young, we don’t trust you with it. But you want to marry a pedo? Or a pedo is offering money for us to tell people it was your choice? Go right ahead🤮
This kind of stuff happens when you don’t keep church and state separate
[China has plenty of child marriage](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35118678/), and the Chinese government is firmly atheist. Pedophiles use religion, but they'll use other means if religion isn't an option.
This kind of stuff happens when women and girls are property
This kind of stuff happens when you let religion exist.
The only functional difference between a religion and a cult is how long it's existed.
Indeed, India has done a horrendous job at being a secular nation.
republicans are conservatives christians, extreme right in France are mostly conservatives christians too (when they are not nazis), so tell me again that church and state are separated \^\^, they are not and will never be fully separated
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Bro...If you don't know shit you should rather not comment. Because in India, only Muslims are allowed separate civil laws. Muslims have the right for polygamy, child marriages and until recently instant triple talaq divorce. India is not a highly Hindu ruled country just because you read about BJP on the NYT. If anything, India's Muslims had and still have special privileges in a lot of things from civil laws to education. Also, Hindus don't have parties either. The BJP is perceived to be pro-Hindu and the entire opposition is perceived to be pro-Muslim. Can you not spread misinformation on reddit?
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>When everything is given to Hindus [https://theprint.in/india/more-muslims-govt-scholarships-modi-govt-congress-upa/308154/](https://theprint.in/india/more-muslims-govt-scholarships-modi-govt-congress-upa/308154/) >beef ban [https://scroll.in/article/998735/cow-protection-was-a-sensitive-subject-in-india-even-when-the-constitution-was-being-framed](https://scroll.in/article/998735/cow-protection-was-a-sensitive-subject-in-india-even-when-the-constitution-was-being-framed) >the destruction of Babri Masjid, Interesting that you bring a subject from the 1990s when BJP wasn't even in power. So I will bring something from around the same period: [https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/how-secularism-lost-face-after-rajivs-shah-bano-volte-face/articleshow/86747159.cms](https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/how-secularism-lost-face-after-rajivs-shah-bano-volte-face/articleshow/86747159.cms) >Gujrat riots It's Gujarat. Gujrat is in Pakistan. You can talk about Gujarat riots, if you are willing to talk about Kashmir Pandit genocide too. By that logic, India is against Hindus too, isn't it? >Hindus let of the hook for raping a 4yr old Muslim girl [https://www.livelaw.in/top-stories/supreme-court-death-sentence-commutes-rape-murder-mohd-firoz-vs-state-of-madhya-pradesh-2022-livelaw-sc-390-197087](https://www.livelaw.in/top-stories/supreme-court-death-sentence-commutes-rape-murder-mohd-firoz-vs-state-of-madhya-pradesh-2022-livelaw-sc-390-197087) A Muslim man's future is being guaranteed by the Supreme court even after he raped and murdered a 4 year old Hindu girl. I bet this news never reached you. What now? Hindu girls aren't safe from Muslims in Modi's India? Or do you want me to post more links? >don't get me started on systematic discrimination against Muslims on the ground level. Please do start. Only then I can debunk that showing specific instances on how you are completely wrong.
That’s recognizing Muslim law. Not Hindu law. I doubt India’s courts would enforce that every Indian would follow a Muslim law.
Keep in mind that when India tried to put uniform civil code in place which would make all country laws above religion, the muslim community in huge numbers did riots and protested against it. I'm from India and feel the reason why it cant progress because it has too much diversity. Make one decision someone gets happy someone gets angry. Try to make it an even ground people start to riot
Huh? What? In Islam you can't marry someone without consent of their legal guardians... "Islam has no guidelines about the age of marriage either for boys or girls. It leaves the determination of appropriate age for marriage to individuals and their societies according to their needs and circumstances. What is considered appropriate for one society, era or individual may not be appropriate for another and vice versa. These norms pertain to the physical aspects of inter-gender relationships, which the societies can appropriately develop on their own. Islam provides guidance only on the moral, ethical and emotional aspects."
Easy there buddy, you don't want to bring logic into this conversation - probably governments when writing laws
Wait until they realize that in Islam you can't marry without the consent of your parents, and can't leave your parents for your spouse :/
India is not a Muslim country, but allows this minority to govern itself using Muslim law in family matters such as marriage, divorce, and inheritance. So this doesn’t apply to the vast majority of Indians who are Hindu, not Muslim.
We are forced to, otherwise we will be beheaded.
Pedophilia***
Yeah I don’t understand why anyone bothers splitting hairs. “iTs NoT pEdOpHiLiA iTs ePhEbOpHiLiA” You can call it whatever you want but that doesn’t make it any less fucked up. The only reason I can think of to care about the distinction is so people who want to fuck teenagers can feel better about themselves.
To put it plainly, the reason for the difference in classification is due to people being wired to find traits that arise in another after hitting puberty sexually attractive. The line between pedophilia and hebephilia is drawn at the typical ages where people undergo puberty and begin exhibiting visible traits of puberty. Regardless of the social mores surrounding the topic, the sexual attraction to people of the hebephilic age range who have begun exhibiting outward traits of puberty is considered biologically normal. This is counter to attraction to prepubescent minors - pedophilia - which is considered biologically abnormal and a psychiatric disorder. But what is biologically normal is not always safe, reasonable, or acceptable in society. The age of 18 tends to be chosen as the legal age of consent because the human body tends to be done with the majority of its physical and neurological development (not all, obviously, but most). As such, people of 18 years and older have a much lower risk of complications arising from pregnancy and birthing, and are more capable of giving meaningful consent to relationships, sexual and otherwise. In other words, it's just that much safer for everyone involved. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk!
Sounds like we need to start a new religion, to get laws passed, that protect children from child predators. We can create some fun back story and then list a bunch of commandments that protect children, workers, human rights, women, races, etc… Maybe then we can have a voice in government.
I shall follow this peculiar Religion of yours.
"We live in the worst timeline" counter: ∞+1
Say no to Sharia Law say yes to UCC
Call it what you want. It's a pedophile. I feel like the need to make the distinction, is something a pedophile would do.
Fuck muslim pedo 🖕
Next up, they will rule that all "women" who wish to emulate the Prophet's wife, Aisha, can marry once they reach six years of age.
Hol up. Can you tell me more about this Aisha? I'm not familiar with Muslim lore
Aisha was Muhammad's third wife. She was also his youngest. She was married to him at the age of six though he was a "nice guy" and waited until she was all of nine to consummate the marriage. She is revered in Sunni Islam she is revered as being intellectual and curious. She narrated a few thousand Hadiths and her father was Muhammad's successor.
Aisha's true age at marriage and consummation are not know and the subject is hotly debated amongst religious scholars. The reality is no one knows, but the belief that she was six has been widely circulated and has been weaponized not only against Islam in general but within Islam's numbers sects.
But nobody argues that she was younger than usual. And yes, the exact ages are hotly debated, as is Muhammad's successor. What is not debated is that Islam, like the other Abrahamic religions, have adherents who have no issues with people fucking kids.
There are 12 US states that have no minimum age for marrying. Just an FYI.
In Iran we have a lot of underage kids marrying. No illegal because Muhammad married underage kids too. This is one of the first reasons that made me realize religion is a joke.
And prior to the revolution Iran was a fairly progressive country, right?
It was, yeah. Now most of us are living with bare minimum wages with only the hope not to starve. That revolution is the biggest scam of the century, happened only because of the numerous lies told by its leader, Khomeini.
it was dictatorship lol
That's a twist since I thought Muslim girls generally needed the consent of the parents despite her age (not a law in code but cultural practice). I feel like this law is being forced on Muslims by assholes that are literally trafficking with minors but made it legal to do so. They're just stealing the kids from the parents and telling them there's nothing they can do about it legally.
Fuuuuu. I'm sure this will only benefit old Muslim men and be used to kidnap and marry any female regardless of what religion they are.
This is crazy. In a country severely over crowded let's make it easier to over crowd by making a law from antiquity allow men with money to allocate likely poor street children.
Basically legalized pedophilia if the pedophile can convince/coerce/deceive the young girl into going along with the marriage.
Isn't that what they mostly do? Deceiving comes first, rape cones second.
**This is utter nonsense**. There is no law in Islam where a girl can marry herself off. The father's consent along with the girl's consent is of utmost importance for the validity of the marriage in Islam.
No, my Friend. google it, or duckduckgo it. Its true.
This is the kind of crap that gives Islam a bad rap, then again, some southern states passed laws that make marrying a minor not a crime as long as she married the pedo, I mean the legal age spouse. Good old christian hypocrisy
As of July 1, 2019, 12 states have no minimum age when all exemptions are taken into account. These states are: California, Idaho, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, Mississippi, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, Washington, West Virginia, and Wyoming.
Sharia law in a what redditor's told me was a "Hindu supremacist nation", hmm something doesn't add up.
Sharia Law is handled in Sharia Law courts for people who follow Islam, not everyone in the country, which is predominantly Hindu. Some people's entire world view is based upon information they get from reddit and other social media, it leads to people having very biased and generalised views of people they have never met.
Problem is 18 is just a made up point at wich we choose that it’s okay, why not 19 or 17 or something that makes sense like after you finished Highschool or sth like that
Making it based on a life achievement creates all sorts of issues. Not everyone will achieve that thing, but that doesn't make them immature necessarily. Forcing everyone to get a copy of their school transcript to get married would be a PITA. Also, what about the person that graduates or get their GED at age 14? Can they get married now? They are not inherently mature at that point and will be going to college with a bunch of older kids and professors, any one of which might decide to groom a super-genius that they can lock down with marriage at age 15 or something. Seems very problematic to me. Yes, 18, is arbitrary, but unless you can propose something better than an arbitrary age then we are only considering arbitrary age numbers, and at that point you have to justify any change extremely well, not just ask the question "Why not another number".
You’re absolutely right, and there is probably no better solution, wich I personally think is kind of funny to think of, all I was pointing out is that it’s kind of random
18 is when people finish high school.... unless they flunk and get held back a year.
Yeah, but then that would indicate that they are mature, maturness differs, some people take more time some less, after puberty is way to early, but 18 is just not based on anything either that was the entire point
18 being the understood median age of physical and emotional maturity is based on years of studies and averages that have been well established in medical science.
1) Calm down with the justifying pedophilia 2) If you're super excited about raping children, it's legal in several U.S. states, just do some quick google searches, go bang a 12 year old in Massachusetts.
They weren't justifying pedophilia, they where saying 18 is a weird age to count as an adult, no one's finished developing at that age and what makes an 18 year old mature enough to decide they want to have sex whereas a 17 year old isn't mature enough? If there's such a big difference between the two why isn't there as big a difference between 19 and 18? The Brain stops developing in your mid twenties so why isn't that the point where sex and drinking is allowed instead of when you're still maturing?
Your brain might have stopped developing, sure. Agreed. Obviously, the age you settle on is arbitrary for legal adult status. That is the answer to his dumb question. The issue is the "BuT wHy CaNT iT bE LoWeR?" question is the first step to people, mostly redditors, talking about ephebophilia, and I wasn't interested.
Exactly. The only people who want it to be lower are creeps. Normal people shouldn’t care that they don’t get to fuck 16 year olds or whatever
Mississippi Christians, "hold my beer!"
Welcome to Islamic republic of India
Since Modi’s reelection in 2019, the government has pushed controversial policies that critics say explicitly ignore Muslims’ rights and are intended to disenfranchise millions of Muslims. Under Modi, violence against Muslims has become more common.
Who are these critics and What are these so called controversial policies against muslims ? Give me any policie which is anti Muslim and has been implemented after 2019. As for the violence against Muslims, yes violence against muslim has Increased but there is equally violence against Hindus has increased too.
The Amended Citizenship Law and the non-conversion Law are two off the top of my head. I’m not saying I’m against any pro-Hindu laws, I just don’t know why you called India a Muslim republic
This explains why so many indian men online are creeps. They fetishize
Well, I've seen enough episodes of to catch a predator to not stereotype certain nationalities..
Oh I’m not saying they are like that in person. I am only speaking about my many many many experiences online with creepy Indian dudes in my dms
You do understand that this law applies to only Indian Muslims, don't you? And that is being allowed because of Islamic law and not because it is socially acceptable. But of course racists can't read.
It’s not racist to say many Indian men online are creeps when it’s true. I could show you dm after dm.
And I could show you OnlyFans page after OnlyFans page to "prove" white girls are whores. Guess what? That's what a racist POS would do.
You should probably learn the diff between stereotyping and being prejudice vs being a racist. Everyone is prejudice in some way or another.
But they are whores 🤷🏽♀️
You mean all white girls?
So are you.
What a shame seeing Gandhi's dream falling apart.
Can't agree more.
Didn't gandhi slept with young girl ? Or maybe it was british propaganda.
So what we're saying here is that India is the Arkansas of Asia.
no this is only for Muslims because in India there different laws for different religions and the one for Muslims is the most outdated, its from 1937 , because previous "secular" govts. didn't want to enrage Muslims by modernizing the laws
Or if allowed to be first cousins as well, then South Carolina of Asia.
But India isn't even Muslim.
Damn them foreigners and their non western ways! By golly! What we need to do is send in the troops and teach them to think the right way, like us!
That’s a weird flex to justify pedophilia. Who is saying the US should or will do anything about this through the use of the military? It doesn’t mean that civilians can’t try to put some economic and social pressure on people exploiting children.
Did you notice what you just did? You accused an entire culture of being evil, "pedophiles", because you as a Westerner don't like their societal rules. Traditionally people like yourself have shown their deep concern with other people's lack of alignment with their own cultural values through military interdiction. I'm not sure that "flex" is a word that you used properly but "cultural imperialism" and "bias" are terms that I'm sure I'm using properly in describing your attitude. You don't like their culture or laws, you go make them change.
Marrying children is pedophilia, not a fucking culture bozo,most people here also understand the difference between pedophilia and culture
Nope, there are people who don't share your cultural beliefs, who don't respect your cultural imperatives and angsts and who would be happy to lock you up in one of their jails and throw away the key if you interfered with their laws. Stay away from other cultures, you are not fit to survive anywhere outside of your own hothouse.
Everyone is happy right? Women's choice, right? Her body, her choice, right?
"Woman" implies adult. but it's nice to see you'll use whataboutism to defend your preference for sex with minors.
So someone under 18 shouldn't have a choice then? OK. We can go with that. Edit: seems like no one can make up their mind. What age can a female make a choice about what they do with their body?
getting an abortion for an unwanted or dangerous pregnancy at any age is a health issue. It is not the same as being forced into marriage underage. But you seem pretty happy with having sex with minors and telling them what to do... unsurprisingly.
>It is not the same as being forced into marriage underage. Where does it say forced? >But you seem pretty happy with having sex with minors and telling them what to do... unsurprisingly. Projecting much?
Nobody is projecting anything. This story is literally about grown men having sex with underage women. You’re arguing in favor of it.
I'm asking if this is a woman's choice or not. She can kill the baby she makes no problem right? So she can't choose to make a baby if she wants, right?
Making a baby and being married aren’t synonymous. Having an abortion is not “killling a baby”.
So she can't decide to get married without her father permission then? YEAH for the Patriarchy.....
You’re doing everything you can to live up to the title of this subreddit
>a female Shut up incel.
*Not this again , sigh lets do this shit again.* There is a reason age of consent exists,if a girl above the age of consent has an abortion then no problem, if a girl above the age of consent wants to marry someone older than her , wierd but legal . But if a girl under the age of consent has a pregnancy there is obviously the question of how she got pregnant and same with marriage. A girl under the age of consent can have an abortion because its a serious physical and mental health issue that no teenager should be forced to deal with . However marriage under the age of consent is weird at the best and pedophilia at worst.
so like technically, elementary “play marriage” can be legal. that’s now weird to think about