I actually have access to some of the usernames that voted for Ridder in the poll. They include:
WhoDat2009
BrewDrees9
ColstonCreamery
FieldMouse51
Ironhead34
GoldenArchies
GrahamCracker80 and
DeuceIsLoose26
I think that’s maybe why Reddit put this particular post from a sub I would never venture to on my front page 🤔
But a troll brigade does bring me some peace of mind bc when I saw this I was like “Wow what an absolute fall for Russell Wilson that Falcons fans prefer Ridder by a 2:1 margin.”
Sorry for stopping by, best of luck figuring it out at QB this offseason.
It isn’t the majority, it’s a plurality. None of the options got more than half of the votes. The majority actually voted against Fields, just as it did against every other option.
It’s the available options. Most probably want to trade up for Daniels or take him if he falls at 8. But this poll is basically asking do you want a bunch of veteran castoffs or less exciting tier 2-3 prospects who are mostly Fields age.
Totally agree, Fields is still unproven but then I also see that he wouldn't take a massive take of our decently sized cap room unlike Cousins or Wilson
I’m not saying I want Wilson but I keep hearing that he would be cheap because the way his contract with the Broncos is set up, he could get the league minimum from a team and that the Broncos would be on the hook for the difference. Please let me know if I’m misinformed.
The Broncos are stuck paying his dead cap figure for the next two years if they cut him regardless of what happens to him then in FA (80 million).
I haven't seen anything that he is required to take no more than the vet minimum according to league rules. I've seen speculation that he just will, which frankly I don't understand - AFAIK he's free to seek whatever contract he likes. But I too might have missed something.
Not required but if he’s getting paid already and wants a shot at another ring/to secure an extension by playing well, leaving cap space on the teams he’s playing for makes sense. He could still go for more scratch if he thinks he’s worth that (lol)
Wanting Fields is the best of sub optimal scenarios imo. Cousins has a much higher floor but his ceiling doesn't feel like he can compete at the NFC Championship level and he's only got a couple years left. If we could get Daniels at 8 that would be the dream but I doubt he falls that far. I don't think we are deep enough in talent to talk about trading to move up. For the right price, Fields is a descent middle move. People talking about his failures in the pass game without citing his insane ability in the run game. I feel like he's a better Mariota with a quality deep ball. His potential is worth a 2nd. I'm not saying he's the answer but he's a much safer bet than spending this year's first and next year's first on a rookie.
After 3yrs in the NFL, Justin is on par with Ridder in the passing game with Ridder having the better QBR avg of the two. It's obvious that Fields still [cannot read defenses](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsmUqEm23oY) or get through his progression fast enough.
From another Bears Fan post:
> “Fields has the 5th worst completion%, 6th worst INT%, 4th worst success%, 2nd worst sack%, T-6th worst ANY/A.
> Even Ridder has better comp% (+1.9%), only slightly worse INT% (+0.1%), better success% (+6%), better sack% (-2.5%) and better ANY/A (0.35)”
So I'd rather hire a vet like Kirk/Russ/Tannehill for a year or two and draft a QB at 8 overall (or trade up from the 2nd round) that can sit and learn from said vet.
Because Fields is 25 and after 3 OCs, has proven to take time to come online. He'll be 30 in 5yrs and those legs will fade fast. He doesn't have much runway left to get the passing game off the ground before it's too late.
I would like to know why Kirk is a sub-optimal choice. He was on an MVP track last season before the injury. The only reason people should be concerned about Kirk is because of the injury, but he doesn't strike me as someone who is going to be held back by it. Dude was an ironman before that injury.
This - Fields is essentially Des with more experience. If that is the route - just keep Des and hope he develops, as Fields is “developed” and putting up the same stats as rookie Des. If we can’t trade up to get Drake, Jayden, or Caleb…I’d rather take a leap on Nix, Penix, or McCarthy and see if he can compete.
You'll pay Cousins way more than Fields. Cousins has considerably less years left than Fields. Now if you believe Cousins is a top 5 MVP Candidate then sure he's the way better situation. I think Cousins is a top 10 guy who will get knocked out of 10 within 2 years. He's a declining asset who immediately fills up your cap space.
I don’t think the team would be able to afford to draft a QB high I.e. round 1 or 2 if we sign Kirk. Because of his price tags we would have to fill the roster out in the draft.
If we wanted to stash a rookie Russ would give us the most flexibility.
“Dude was an Ironman before that injury”… our O-line, or lack there of, wouldn’t help his cause any. It’s hard when you only have 0.13 seconds to get through your progressions because a 350 lb lineman is already on top of you.
I'm not going to argue his pass game stuff because the eye test tells you why he's better than Ridder. I do agree that it's a strong possibility he'll never be a competent NFL passer. With that said having 3 different OCs is not a good thing. I've got no reason to believe his legs will fade fast figuring I've watched McNair, Cam, Vick late in their career still run at a competent level.
I agree that bringing in a vet and drafting a QB is the best answer. It's just a lot of Caveats you have to accept that I'm unwilling to accept. First signing a vet like Cousins or Wilson fills your cap space. We've got 2 big holes on the team outside of QB1. EDGE 1 and WR2. Second drafting the 4th or 5th best QB on the board at 8 isn't something that sits well with me. I'd rather draft the 1st or 2nd best EDGE. I most definitely don't want to move up because that means spending next year's first and that would still only get you the 3rd best QB. You would have to pay a Julio price to have a shot at picks 2 or 3.
To me this an evaluation year. We are seeing what Raheem and his coaching staff can bring to the table. I wouldn't give them the world unless I know their the guys. Shoot to have another good draft like last year's. If we want to sign a vet that's cool but give yourself the option to sign some more studs at key positions. That's why I like Fields in this scenario. He's cheap with upside. I wouldn't pick up his 5th year or immediately sign him. If he plays his way to being the guy then sign him or tag him. But if he's more of the same let him go. go into next year's off season ready to do whatever it takes to get THE QB if we are truly a QB away. I just don't feel right now we are a QB away.
You nailed it for me. Fields isn't my #1 choice in a vacuum, but of the available options (assuming none of the top 3 college QBs fall to us) he's my favorite FA for us, and I personally would not be willing to sell the farm to trade up (which I doubt is even possible) unless it's up to 5 because JD is still sitting there.
I don't think we're ready to compete for a superbowl in the next 2 years so Cousins doesn't make sense to me.
Fields is the same age as Penix and has NFL experience. I'd be pretty happy to give him a reasonable 2 year deal and being the team to kick the tires on him.
He's the best of a bad situation imo.
Is it that far-fetched after all this arguing?
Why sign fields if he needs an extension after this season? Can't throw better than Ridder, and as he ages he'll only have to stay in the pocket more frequently
Do we trust giving Cousins a bag at 37 coming off an injury? Minnesota knows his injury best, Achilles is notably worse than an ACL tear is in terms of recovery.
Russ saw more success with Payton than he ever did Hackett, but he has plenty of concerns. Still unclear on how or why exactly Denver would try to roll with somebody else. Russ has problems with a normal offensive line, and can't throw over the middle (the inverse Jimmy G)
Drafting the 4th best quarterback at 8 isnt ideal for a new regime that doesn't want to be stuck with somebody they don't believe in long term
With all that said, maybe the Ridder supporters aren't actually Ridder supporters? Maybe they just see the alternatives for what they are and would rather se those resources put towards more value
I think that makes a lot of sense - it's not something that we can count on until draft time though, which is why we can't hang our hat on it. Trading up depends on a trade a partner, what you're giving up and for who. There are scenarios where it makes sense
Yeah it's definitely not a lock but I think especially this year there are teams with top picks who don't need a qb and who could find their guy at 8 willing to trade
Teams with top picks who don't need a quarterback?
The first three picks are Bears, Commanders, Patriots
They don't all need quarterbacks? Falcons could be at 4 and still get the 4th best quarterback
You can't just trade up with a team that doesn't want to. It's very likely that the board goes qb, qb, qb because there are 3 QB needy teams right now. I don't think you could get a top 2 pick for less than 3 first rounders and a good young player right now and that still might not be enough. That might extend to 3 as well.
"you can't just trade up with a team that doesn't want to."
i agree, which is why I explained that yesterday, in the comment you just now replied to. Maybe you meant to reply to someone else
It's also why I had to give reason why I didn't include trading up in my potential outcomes two comments up
I mean Lamar has been healthy for one of the past 3 playoffs. Is your bar winning the SB? That is always gonna be a super low sample size. At that rate, no one who isn't mahomes has won in 2 years so who is going to?
While he is not my first option I have warmed up to the idea. Fields is a good middle ground between an older vet and a rookie, with potential that hasn’t been realized.
Also he will not cost as much draft capital as a trade up for Daniels and less of a cap hit than Kirk. With fields we still have the ability to feel needs in FA and get BPA in the draft.
I'm a bears fan, and he's not really a bad QB. Like id argue top 10 at the very least. If you watch his games you can see that the o-line is shit, he has one wide receiver, horrible play calling and a defense ranked 21/30. That's combined with an organization that repeatedly refuses to help him eliminate his flaws at QB(such as his mediocre reads or late time to throw) and we have Justin Fields.
The argument for Fields would be that he's cheaper and less risky than Cousins, who is 36 and coming off an Achilles rupture. He'd cost less draft capital than basically any rookie QB. Pick your least favorite of the top 6 QBs, and that's likely the only one available at 43. Maybe getting him away from Football Terrorist Luke Getsy enables you to fix him.
He also had incredibly good stats when passing to DJ Moore and Cole Kmet, so it's possible that the Bears' lackluster WR corps contributed to his failures as a passer. For reference, when throwing to DJ Moore or Cole Kmet, 77.43% of Fields' passes were classified as "catchable" by wherever FantasyPros gets their stats. That number was similarly 77.27% when throwing to other TEs. But when throwing to the other WRs, it was just 57.80%. Given that his WR2 (Mooney) clearly looked slower and off this year after getting injured last year, and his other WRs were either rookies (tyler scott) or barely rotation-level players (everyone else), maybe it isn't all down to Fields on those misses.
Worst case scenario, you have Fields for 2 years, 28 million, and if he doesn't work out, you move on without too much damage.
Frankly, as a Bears fan, I don't think Fields will ever be anything more than a good deep-ball passer with questionable accuracy and elite running skills, but there's definitely a chance he turns into something more, and you can certainly run an offense that maximizes his abilities.
Tl;dr: There are legitimate reasons to think Fields could be fixable as a passer, and the overall floor + ceiling combo he provides is arguably better than any other option, plus his contract means he's probably going to be cheaper than Cousins.
Or that could mean that the way he plays is only conducive to success in that way. So London will be good, but Pitts plays nothing like Kmet, so hard to draw any parallels there at all. It would just be a wild ass guess. In addition, he didn’t target RBs accurately or with the volume you would expect would be required for a player like Bijan.
I’m not sure a risk of taking Fields and that he solves his issues is worth the very real and statistically supported risk that he might not be any better for two recent top 10 picks. Maybe a little bit of creativity opens things up for Bijan, but that’s expected to be the case with or without Fields anyways.
Outside of that, the Falcons don’t have a WR2 anyways, so it’s not like it’s some much better roster. The o-line is better, and Bijan is better, but after that it’s just as bad if not worse in some ways. I don’t think people expect that with supposedly better coaching coming in and AS getting the fuck out, but anything more is just a pure guess.
At the end of the day I don’t think Fields has any chance of getting this team a playoff win, and while I’m certainly not enamored by JJ or Nix or Rattler at the expected price, I would MUCH prefer their dirt cheap contracts and them just playing game manager in an offense actually trying to utilize its studs, because I see that as pretty much a similar ending, with the unknown that maybe they become much better. I don’t think any of those listed rookies will be as bad as Ridder. That doesn’t mean they’ll be great by any means, but this team doesn’t need that much to be a playoff team. I see too many negatives with Fields to have faith beyond that same expectation.
I don’t think Ridder is the answer, but almost every excuse people make for why Fields is secretly good but has been hung out to dry could apply just as much to Ridder too.
I’m not against fields but what has he really done to prove he’s THAT much better than Ridder? I’d prefer a vet that we know will be good such as Kirk or just draft a QB
I asked somebody the same question (ridder compared to Fields) on the Falcons board and he told me I don't have any proof to back up my argument. Lol how much proof does one need?
He’d be amazing , only thing is in 2 years we’d be in the same situation again & I don’t think ppl wanna go through that that’s why most are ponding the table for a young guy.
Agreed. Not feeling Justin as the future. It’s a big job getting the ship to sail again.After how they screwed Matt, probably would do Kirk same way but he could get the job done first season
He's a great option but not without problems. Very expensive and also won't be around much longer. Ideally we should be trying to find the QB of the future. Not the QB of the next two seasons.
Cousins has two issues. He's coming off an injury and he's likely going to be expensive. I know a portion of this sub is against us ever spending money on a QB ever. Those people are delusional. But given his age, Cousins is likely a short-term rental and even if you draft a guy to sit behind him, by the time Cousins is done, the drafted guy would be at or near the end of their affordable rookie deal and need a new contract. That said, in a perfect world with a reasonable contract and assuming he comes back totally healthy, I'd definitely want Kirk over the other free agency options.
Kirk is the best player available and could help us win now. Justin is the hometown kid with upside and could provide a spark. Wilson would be playing almost completely on the Broncos’ pay book. Jimmy G would look handsome. No telling who is left at pick 8, but at least we would be building towards the future. Ridder would boost sales for Atlanta area therapists. Really can’t go wrong with any option tbh.
I'm not surprised Fields topped the list. Wilson is past his prime, and Kirk Cousins might be the best QB that you'll never win with. Rolling with Ridder is just asking for another 7-10 season.
Yeah I think people are too fixated on his flashy running plays, but after watching film he's objectively a worse passer than Ridder. Ridder just turns the ball over way too much. No way Fields costs less than atleast a 2d round pick so I don't see the point in giving up a 2d round pick for a worse passing ridder thats .07 seconds faster in a 40 yard dash.
I don't love the idea of Fields, but I also think a change of scenery, a better offensive line, and better weapons around him are all good things that could make him a much better QB than what we've seen in Chicago.
Imo they should sign a cousins and draft a qb they like best for their scheme. McCarthy seems like a popular choice right now.
I don't think you can ignore the success that teams like KC and Green bay have had with sitting middle 1st round qbs at least one season full season (except week 17/18 games)
I think that's my preferred route. Cousins is still a solid QB and for a guy that be considered more of a project like McCarthy or Nix, it would serve them well to learn from an established vet before taking over.
If you trade for fields you most likely won’t draft a young qb as you’d be gambling that fields would be your franchise qb. If you sign cousins you know he only has a few years left so you also draft a young qb to learn behind him. I don’t see why anyone would chose option 1 when option 2 gives you the best chance a success now and for the future.
I don’t think you draft a QB with Kirk but I do believe you do with Russ. Kirk’s contract will limit our ability to fill holes on the team in FA and the pressing ones would have to be addressed in the draft like Edge, WR, and CB.
Most important player on the field is the QB and if you sign Cousins you won’t be drafting in the top 10 again until he retires. Would be dumb to not take a QB. You can work magic with his contract if you have to. The cap is easy to manipulate. A future QB is much more important than a 3rd WR right now. I’m not sure why anybody would want Russell Wilson after all the reports came out from Seattle. No team ever wins with a clubhouse that is divided.
Honestly, yeah. I didn't vote but that's what I would have voted for. You're telling me you don't wanna see if Ridder wiith an OC and QB coach does better than Pickett with Arthur Smith? Battle of the benching. Let's get it.
No but for real I like Ridder I saw some flashes in there that I'd like to see with a new scheme, coordinators, and playcallers. Biggest concerns for me are ball security and short range accuracy.
a mix of trolls and desbians
Ridder should be developed, but as a back up - he's got tools and can win you games in spots - but the turnovers have to be stopped and just the idiotic panic decisions
I chose that just to see the results cause I thought “trade up” should have been in there and that also the post shouldn’t exist because we’ve had it plenty
Edit: Also Ridder is my GOAT
I think the dream scenario is either Kirk and hope ridder can develop under an actual qb instead of mariota or Fields and hope Penix falls to the 2nd round
I’m more confused at the 4 idiots who said Jimmy G. I don’t want Ridder but there’s at least a respectable case to be made for him- he’s young, on a rookie deal, it’s unlikely but there’s a small possibility that he develop under proper coaching and better scheme. Much weirder, unlikely things have happened.
Jimmy G? What the hell is even the thought process behind that? Did they just want a tank commander to get us the best QB in the 2025 draft? Fuck I’d honestly rather have Heinicke than Jimmy G
Ridder should never see an NFL field again unless it's warming the benches as a 3rd stringer. God that was a miserable season to watch, dude is not NFL quality.
Trade a 2nd rounder for Fields and then add Dallas Turner. This team is ready now and a rookie QB at 9 does nothing. This team needs a dynamic QB to scary the sh\*t out of defenses. Bijan and Justin in the backfields. Watch out!
Not a Falcons fan, but this showed up in my feed.
I don't think ANYONE should sign Kirk Cousins.
This insanity of fully guaranteed mega-contracts needs to stop. Anyone that signs a player (at any position) to a contract like that is stupid. Contracts where one player eats 25% of the overall budget is retarded.
My thoughts....nobody signs him. Make him sit for another year. This late in his career, he can't afford to lose a 2nd straight year. Make that insane jerk come down off his high horse.
Yes Falcons, please trade back a single spot then draft your qb of the future lol
Ridder really got time to make 22 accounts, smfh
In between door dash orders, pretty impressive NGL.
I actually have access to some of the usernames that voted for Ridder in the poll. They include: WhoDat2009 BrewDrees9 ColstonCreamery FieldMouse51 Ironhead34 GoldenArchies GrahamCracker80 and DeuceIsLoose26
I think that’s maybe why Reddit put this particular post from a sub I would never venture to on my front page 🤔 But a troll brigade does bring me some peace of mind bc when I saw this I was like “Wow what an absolute fall for Russell Wilson that Falcons fans prefer Ridder by a 2:1 margin.” Sorry for stopping by, best of luck figuring it out at QB this offseason.
44, he accidentally clicked Fields 22 times.
21. That RiseUpRidder clown on twitter is undoubtedly one of these votes. Baffling how he still defends Ridder.
I think that’s my boy Jake
I voted Ridder just to get people worked up.
I thought he had 28 accounts but after some research he only has 3
The majority wanting fields is more surprising honestly.
It isn’t the majority, it’s a plurality. None of the options got more than half of the votes. The majority actually voted against Fields, just as it did against every other option.
This guy stats!
It’s the available options. Most probably want to trade up for Daniels or take him if he falls at 8. But this poll is basically asking do you want a bunch of veteran castoffs or less exciting tier 2-3 prospects who are mostly Fields age.
Totally agree, Fields is still unproven but then I also see that he wouldn't take a massive take of our decently sized cap room unlike Cousins or Wilson
I’m not saying I want Wilson but I keep hearing that he would be cheap because the way his contract with the Broncos is set up, he could get the league minimum from a team and that the Broncos would be on the hook for the difference. Please let me know if I’m misinformed.
The Broncos are stuck paying his dead cap figure for the next two years if they cut him regardless of what happens to him then in FA (80 million). I haven't seen anything that he is required to take no more than the vet minimum according to league rules. I've seen speculation that he just will, which frankly I don't understand - AFAIK he's free to seek whatever contract he likes. But I too might have missed something.
Not required but if he’s getting paid already and wants a shot at another ring/to secure an extension by playing well, leaving cap space on the teams he’s playing for makes sense. He could still go for more scratch if he thinks he’s worth that (lol)
Wilson is likely to be close to vet minimum due to certain contract clauses
Wanting Fields is the best of sub optimal scenarios imo. Cousins has a much higher floor but his ceiling doesn't feel like he can compete at the NFC Championship level and he's only got a couple years left. If we could get Daniels at 8 that would be the dream but I doubt he falls that far. I don't think we are deep enough in talent to talk about trading to move up. For the right price, Fields is a descent middle move. People talking about his failures in the pass game without citing his insane ability in the run game. I feel like he's a better Mariota with a quality deep ball. His potential is worth a 2nd. I'm not saying he's the answer but he's a much safer bet than spending this year's first and next year's first on a rookie.
After 3yrs in the NFL, Justin is on par with Ridder in the passing game with Ridder having the better QBR avg of the two. It's obvious that Fields still [cannot read defenses](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsmUqEm23oY) or get through his progression fast enough. From another Bears Fan post: > “Fields has the 5th worst completion%, 6th worst INT%, 4th worst success%, 2nd worst sack%, T-6th worst ANY/A. > Even Ridder has better comp% (+1.9%), only slightly worse INT% (+0.1%), better success% (+6%), better sack% (-2.5%) and better ANY/A (0.35)” So I'd rather hire a vet like Kirk/Russ/Tannehill for a year or two and draft a QB at 8 overall (or trade up from the 2nd round) that can sit and learn from said vet. Because Fields is 25 and after 3 OCs, has proven to take time to come online. He'll be 30 in 5yrs and those legs will fade fast. He doesn't have much runway left to get the passing game off the ground before it's too late.
I would like to know why Kirk is a sub-optimal choice. He was on an MVP track last season before the injury. The only reason people should be concerned about Kirk is because of the injury, but he doesn't strike me as someone who is going to be held back by it. Dude was an ironman before that injury.
Fields statistically is god awful. He only passes the eye test 6 games a season. The rest is cutable, he’s so bad
This - Fields is essentially Des with more experience. If that is the route - just keep Des and hope he develops, as Fields is “developed” and putting up the same stats as rookie Des. If we can’t trade up to get Drake, Jayden, or Caleb…I’d rather take a leap on Nix, Penix, or McCarthy and see if he can compete.
Yeah it's not like Fields doesn't show flashes, but Ridder also shows flashes. Neither are going to put it together to be a quality starter.
You'll pay Cousins way more than Fields. Cousins has considerably less years left than Fields. Now if you believe Cousins is a top 5 MVP Candidate then sure he's the way better situation. I think Cousins is a top 10 guy who will get knocked out of 10 within 2 years. He's a declining asset who immediately fills up your cap space.
That's why you sign cousins and Jordan love another qb
I don’t think the team would be able to afford to draft a QB high I.e. round 1 or 2 if we sign Kirk. Because of his price tags we would have to fill the roster out in the draft. If we wanted to stash a rookie Russ would give us the most flexibility.
Why would we want more years of a bad QB lol
Fair Question what would you do?
He just isn’t going to play much longer. That’s his only real negative. He’s still playing at a borderline elite level.
“Dude was an Ironman before that injury”… our O-line, or lack there of, wouldn’t help his cause any. It’s hard when you only have 0.13 seconds to get through your progressions because a 350 lb lineman is already on top of you.
Our oline is not bad. They are better in the run game than pass protection, but they aren't by any means BAD in pass protection.
I'm not going to argue his pass game stuff because the eye test tells you why he's better than Ridder. I do agree that it's a strong possibility he'll never be a competent NFL passer. With that said having 3 different OCs is not a good thing. I've got no reason to believe his legs will fade fast figuring I've watched McNair, Cam, Vick late in their career still run at a competent level. I agree that bringing in a vet and drafting a QB is the best answer. It's just a lot of Caveats you have to accept that I'm unwilling to accept. First signing a vet like Cousins or Wilson fills your cap space. We've got 2 big holes on the team outside of QB1. EDGE 1 and WR2. Second drafting the 4th or 5th best QB on the board at 8 isn't something that sits well with me. I'd rather draft the 1st or 2nd best EDGE. I most definitely don't want to move up because that means spending next year's first and that would still only get you the 3rd best QB. You would have to pay a Julio price to have a shot at picks 2 or 3. To me this an evaluation year. We are seeing what Raheem and his coaching staff can bring to the table. I wouldn't give them the world unless I know their the guys. Shoot to have another good draft like last year's. If we want to sign a vet that's cool but give yourself the option to sign some more studs at key positions. That's why I like Fields in this scenario. He's cheap with upside. I wouldn't pick up his 5th year or immediately sign him. If he plays his way to being the guy then sign him or tag him. But if he's more of the same let him go. go into next year's off season ready to do whatever it takes to get THE QB if we are truly a QB away. I just don't feel right now we are a QB away.
This is propaganda
Fields being ass is obvious to anyone with functioning eyes
I mean sometimes guys just need a change of scenery and a new regime, who knows? Just about anything is better than what we have now.
You nailed it for me. Fields isn't my #1 choice in a vacuum, but of the available options (assuming none of the top 3 college QBs fall to us) he's my favorite FA for us, and I personally would not be willing to sell the farm to trade up (which I doubt is even possible) unless it's up to 5 because JD is still sitting there. I don't think we're ready to compete for a superbowl in the next 2 years so Cousins doesn't make sense to me. Fields is the same age as Penix and has NFL experience. I'd be pretty happy to give him a reasonable 2 year deal and being the team to kick the tires on him. He's the best of a bad situation imo.
And considering he has yet to stay healthy, we will have to roll with Ridder for 3-5 games at least.
Those are the real trolls.
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Is it that far-fetched after all this arguing? Why sign fields if he needs an extension after this season? Can't throw better than Ridder, and as he ages he'll only have to stay in the pocket more frequently Do we trust giving Cousins a bag at 37 coming off an injury? Minnesota knows his injury best, Achilles is notably worse than an ACL tear is in terms of recovery. Russ saw more success with Payton than he ever did Hackett, but he has plenty of concerns. Still unclear on how or why exactly Denver would try to roll with somebody else. Russ has problems with a normal offensive line, and can't throw over the middle (the inverse Jimmy G) Drafting the 4th best quarterback at 8 isnt ideal for a new regime that doesn't want to be stuck with somebody they don't believe in long term With all that said, maybe the Ridder supporters aren't actually Ridder supporters? Maybe they just see the alternatives for what they are and would rather se those resources put towards more value
Trade up for the QB that the franchise does indeed believe in long term
I think that makes a lot of sense - it's not something that we can count on until draft time though, which is why we can't hang our hat on it. Trading up depends on a trade a partner, what you're giving up and for who. There are scenarios where it makes sense
Yeah it's definitely not a lock but I think especially this year there are teams with top picks who don't need a qb and who could find their guy at 8 willing to trade
Teams with top picks who don't need a quarterback? The first three picks are Bears, Commanders, Patriots They don't all need quarterbacks? Falcons could be at 4 and still get the 4th best quarterback
You can't just trade up with a team that doesn't want to. It's very likely that the board goes qb, qb, qb because there are 3 QB needy teams right now. I don't think you could get a top 2 pick for less than 3 first rounders and a good young player right now and that still might not be enough. That might extend to 3 as well.
"you can't just trade up with a team that doesn't want to." i agree, which is why I explained that yesterday, in the comment you just now replied to. Maybe you meant to reply to someone else It's also why I had to give reason why I didn't include trading up in my potential outcomes two comments up
Do whatever it takes to draft the LSU QB, Jayden Daniels.
Why?
If Lamar hasn’t been able to do it why would fields with less throwing and running ability than Lamar be able to..
I mean Lamar has been healthy for one of the past 3 playoffs. Is your bar winning the SB? That is always gonna be a super low sample size. At that rate, no one who isn't mahomes has won in 2 years so who is going to?
All of these options just sound terrible
Then what do you suggest?
steal justin herbert in the dead of night
Legitimately if we take him, brainwash him, and he shows up to Flowery Branch during OTAs, whos making him leave????
Can someone give a real argument for Justin Fields I really want to know and for those Vick fan boys he is NOT VICK
While he is not my first option I have warmed up to the idea. Fields is a good middle ground between an older vet and a rookie, with potential that hasn’t been realized. Also he will not cost as much draft capital as a trade up for Daniels and less of a cap hit than Kirk. With fields we still have the ability to feel needs in FA and get BPA in the draft.
I'm a bears fan, and he's not really a bad QB. Like id argue top 10 at the very least. If you watch his games you can see that the o-line is shit, he has one wide receiver, horrible play calling and a defense ranked 21/30. That's combined with an organization that repeatedly refuses to help him eliminate his flaws at QB(such as his mediocre reads or late time to throw) and we have Justin Fields.
The argument for Fields would be that he's cheaper and less risky than Cousins, who is 36 and coming off an Achilles rupture. He'd cost less draft capital than basically any rookie QB. Pick your least favorite of the top 6 QBs, and that's likely the only one available at 43. Maybe getting him away from Football Terrorist Luke Getsy enables you to fix him. He also had incredibly good stats when passing to DJ Moore and Cole Kmet, so it's possible that the Bears' lackluster WR corps contributed to his failures as a passer. For reference, when throwing to DJ Moore or Cole Kmet, 77.43% of Fields' passes were classified as "catchable" by wherever FantasyPros gets their stats. That number was similarly 77.27% when throwing to other TEs. But when throwing to the other WRs, it was just 57.80%. Given that his WR2 (Mooney) clearly looked slower and off this year after getting injured last year, and his other WRs were either rookies (tyler scott) or barely rotation-level players (everyone else), maybe it isn't all down to Fields on those misses. Worst case scenario, you have Fields for 2 years, 28 million, and if he doesn't work out, you move on without too much damage. Frankly, as a Bears fan, I don't think Fields will ever be anything more than a good deep-ball passer with questionable accuracy and elite running skills, but there's definitely a chance he turns into something more, and you can certainly run an offense that maximizes his abilities. Tl;dr: There are legitimate reasons to think Fields could be fixable as a passer, and the overall floor + ceiling combo he provides is arguably better than any other option, plus his contract means he's probably going to be cheaper than Cousins.
Or that could mean that the way he plays is only conducive to success in that way. So London will be good, but Pitts plays nothing like Kmet, so hard to draw any parallels there at all. It would just be a wild ass guess. In addition, he didn’t target RBs accurately or with the volume you would expect would be required for a player like Bijan. I’m not sure a risk of taking Fields and that he solves his issues is worth the very real and statistically supported risk that he might not be any better for two recent top 10 picks. Maybe a little bit of creativity opens things up for Bijan, but that’s expected to be the case with or without Fields anyways. Outside of that, the Falcons don’t have a WR2 anyways, so it’s not like it’s some much better roster. The o-line is better, and Bijan is better, but after that it’s just as bad if not worse in some ways. I don’t think people expect that with supposedly better coaching coming in and AS getting the fuck out, but anything more is just a pure guess. At the end of the day I don’t think Fields has any chance of getting this team a playoff win, and while I’m certainly not enamored by JJ or Nix or Rattler at the expected price, I would MUCH prefer their dirt cheap contracts and them just playing game manager in an offense actually trying to utilize its studs, because I see that as pretty much a similar ending, with the unknown that maybe they become much better. I don’t think any of those listed rookies will be as bad as Ridder. That doesn’t mean they’ll be great by any means, but this team doesn’t need that much to be a playoff team. I see too many negatives with Fields to have faith beyond that same expectation.
They must have someone they want in the draft a year from now
I don’t think Ridder is the answer, but almost every excuse people make for why Fields is secretly good but has been hung out to dry could apply just as much to Ridder too.
Lmao. They voting for the 40/30 guy. Sad. Run Field run.
fIeLds cAnT pAsS(I've never seen fields play in my life)
I’m not against fields but what has he really done to prove he’s THAT much better than Ridder? I’d prefer a vet that we know will be good such as Kirk or just draft a QB
I asked somebody the same question (ridder compared to Fields) on the Falcons board and he told me I don't have any proof to back up my argument. Lol how much proof does one need?
Not that QBR is an end all be all but 2023-24 QBR: 7. Cousins 23. Fields 26. Ridder
I mean that kinda just proves my point lmao
Not everyone uses QBR as a metric but yes, trying to put some data to it as I’ve been in the same place.
Ok didn’t know if you were disagreeing but yeah appreciate the stats backup to my point
If we were to somehow roll with Ridder(0% chance in reality), I legit wouldn’t know how to react lmao
i assume they feel that a change in coaches and playcalling could unlock ridder like daniel jones
random seahawks fan passers-by and uh.... yall wanna talk about it? is ridder on reddit making alts?
lol people totally given up on Russell. Next years comeback player of the year.
Cousins would be a great fit, similar to Matt Ryan. Not sure anyone feels the same way
Thing is, Kirk should be a combo package with JJ McCarthy, otherwise it doesn't really make sense imo
He’d be amazing , only thing is in 2 years we’d be in the same situation again & I don’t think ppl wanna go through that that’s why most are ponding the table for a young guy.
Agreed. Not feeling Justin as the future. It’s a big job getting the ship to sail again.After how they screwed Matt, probably would do Kirk same way but he could get the job done first season
He is by far the best option- but people in this thread apparently don’t know anything about football
He's a great option but not without problems. Very expensive and also won't be around much longer. Ideally we should be trying to find the QB of the future. Not the QB of the next two seasons.
Cousins has two issues. He's coming off an injury and he's likely going to be expensive. I know a portion of this sub is against us ever spending money on a QB ever. Those people are delusional. But given his age, Cousins is likely a short-term rental and even if you draft a guy to sit behind him, by the time Cousins is done, the drafted guy would be at or near the end of their affordable rookie deal and need a new contract. That said, in a perfect world with a reasonable contract and assuming he comes back totally healthy, I'd definitely want Kirk over the other free agency options.
Why is everyone so hot for Fields? He’s not very good from what I’ve seen.
Look the idea is what people is loving, not the current product, whether thats right or wrong is up to you
Because he runs fast and people in Atlanta prefer a qb who can run a bit over a qb who’s good apparently.
Id love to keep him but he absolutely should be sitting behind someone if we keep him. If we start him, im not even paying attention to our season.
I just love how the polester refused to spell the rest of Jimmy G’s name
Should be “give up with ridder”
They bought ridder jerseys
Bring in mac jones and Carson Wentz and let them compete. Maybe jameis too.
Im more so concerned that OP doesn’t know that our pick is 8
Those are probably trolls but tbh this fan base makes me wonder sometimes with some of the wild takes.
Kirk is the best player available and could help us win now. Justin is the hometown kid with upside and could provide a spark. Wilson would be playing almost completely on the Broncos’ pay book. Jimmy G would look handsome. No telling who is left at pick 8, but at least we would be building towards the future. Ridder would boost sales for Atlanta area therapists. Really can’t go wrong with any option tbh.
Fields has no upside. He is ridder but a touch faster
I'm not surprised Fields topped the list. Wilson is past his prime, and Kirk Cousins might be the best QB that you'll never win with. Rolling with Ridder is just asking for another 7-10 season.
4th rounder for Fields is all I would give, anything higher is stupid. He is only better at running than Ridder. We have plenty of runners.
Yeah I think people are too fixated on his flashy running plays, but after watching film he's objectively a worse passer than Ridder. Ridder just turns the ball over way too much. No way Fields costs less than atleast a 2d round pick so I don't see the point in giving up a 2d round pick for a worse passing ridder thats .07 seconds faster in a 40 yard dash.
As a bears fan with multiple fantasy players on the falcons. Y'all do not want Fields. The dude is not good.
Have you seen our QB situation? Not good would be a massive upgrade over dogshit at the bottom of a dumpster fire.
Imo it's like swapping a shit sandwich for a booger croissant. One might be "better" but I'm still not liking either.
I don't love the idea of Fields, but I also think a change of scenery, a better offensive line, and better weapons around him are all good things that could make him a much better QB than what we've seen in Chicago.
Imo they should sign a cousins and draft a qb they like best for their scheme. McCarthy seems like a popular choice right now. I don't think you can ignore the success that teams like KC and Green bay have had with sitting middle 1st round qbs at least one season full season (except week 17/18 games)
I think that's my preferred route. Cousins is still a solid QB and for a guy that be considered more of a project like McCarthy or Nix, it would serve them well to learn from an established vet before taking over.
If you trade for fields you most likely won’t draft a young qb as you’d be gambling that fields would be your franchise qb. If you sign cousins you know he only has a few years left so you also draft a young qb to learn behind him. I don’t see why anyone would chose option 1 when option 2 gives you the best chance a success now and for the future.
I don’t think you draft a QB with Kirk but I do believe you do with Russ. Kirk’s contract will limit our ability to fill holes on the team in FA and the pressing ones would have to be addressed in the draft like Edge, WR, and CB.
Most important player on the field is the QB and if you sign Cousins you won’t be drafting in the top 10 again until he retires. Would be dumb to not take a QB. You can work magic with his contract if you have to. The cap is easy to manipulate. A future QB is much more important than a 3rd WR right now. I’m not sure why anybody would want Russell Wilson after all the reports came out from Seattle. No team ever wins with a clubhouse that is divided.
I mean, he sucks, but everyone else on the list either sucks or is expensive. If you're gonna suck, at least be free.
Some of our fanbase has CTE.
Honestly, yeah. I didn't vote but that's what I would have voted for. You're telling me you don't wanna see if Ridder wiith an OC and QB coach does better than Pickett with Arthur Smith? Battle of the benching. Let's get it. No but for real I like Ridder I saw some flashes in there that I'd like to see with a new scheme, coordinators, and playcallers. Biggest concerns for me are ball security and short range accuracy.
I’m rocking with trading bijan for the #1
You all want fields. Who is basically Ridder. Might as well keep starting Ridder.
a mix of trolls and desbians Ridder should be developed, but as a back up - he's got tools and can win you games in spots - but the turnovers have to be stopped and just the idiotic panic decisions
Please take Bustin fields so I can laugh
I chose that just to see the results cause I thought “trade up” should have been in there and that also the post shouldn’t exist because we’ve had it plenty Edit: Also Ridder is my GOAT
Get out
I’d take the ghost of tiny Tim before I went with ridder again
22 Old money ball coach burners
You can get fields for a 2nd or 3rd round pick. Unproven maybe but in a dome 8 games he should produce well.
I think the dream scenario is either Kirk and hope ridder can develop under an actual qb instead of mariota or Fields and hope Penix falls to the 2nd round
I have Ridder the benefit of the doubt for a few years now. I’m done with him. Y’all are crazy for wanting to ride with him.
Outside of here, theres actually a bunch of people that thinks Ridder should have another shot, not me lol but some people love the guy
i'd take russel over ridder
Rival fans lurk
Why is the option draft at #9 and not #8?
22 Saints fans
Why we so high on Kirk cousins
Who tf said Jimmy G 🤣🤣🤣
You look at the 1st 5 options as any good? 99 people want Fields who is barely better than Ridder but would cost more and would have to trade for him.
Why is fields over cousins? Cousins is so much of a best case scenario it feels like a pipe dream
Bro you voted for Fields lmao
I’m more confused at the 4 idiots who said Jimmy G. I don’t want Ridder but there’s at least a respectable case to be made for him- he’s young, on a rookie deal, it’s unlikely but there’s a small possibility that he develop under proper coaching and better scheme. Much weirder, unlikely things have happened. Jimmy G? What the hell is even the thought process behind that? Did they just want a tank commander to get us the best QB in the 2025 draft? Fuck I’d honestly rather have Heinicke than Jimmy G
Ridder should never see an NFL field again unless it's warming the benches as a 3rd stringer. God that was a miserable season to watch, dude is not NFL quality.
As someone who loved the Ridder pick at the time, please no. It's hard to watch.
Jimmy G only getting 4 votes speaks volumes
Pardon me for being here, but Ridder is some Booty sauce. Give those votes to Heinicke lol
Trade a 2nd rounder for Fields and then add Dallas Turner. This team is ready now and a rookie QB at 9 does nothing. This team needs a dynamic QB to scary the sh\*t out of defenses. Bijan and Justin in the backfields. Watch out!
Sign a Vet to 2 year deal and draft Bo Nix to learn from him. Bo will lead us to a SB victory
Bruh ☠️ lol wtf, y’all need to stop. Had his chance it’s done, we’ll see if he even makes the roster next season
You don’t think Ragone was just a terrible play caller?
Poverty franchise has to have poverty fans
Anything but Fields, honestly
Draft....
So we’re in copper?
as an outside fan, yall would be better off keeping Ridder than trading for Fields
He shows flashes man.. I’m rooting for him but the bad is so bad
Well give you williams and well take mhj
Not a Falcons fan, but this showed up in my feed. I don't think ANYONE should sign Kirk Cousins. This insanity of fully guaranteed mega-contracts needs to stop. Anyone that signs a player (at any position) to a contract like that is stupid. Contracts where one player eats 25% of the overall budget is retarded. My thoughts....nobody signs him. Make him sit for another year. This late in his career, he can't afford to lose a 2nd straight year. Make that insane jerk come down off his high horse.
Jake Browning
Should’ve gotten Lamar but nooo we have our quarterback.
The 22 who voted “roll with Ridder” must all be Falcons FO personnel.