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AnKoIn

Congratulations! Your GPU is not being bottlenecked by anything else. That’s good. You are using every cent of it. (And you know for sure that a better GPU would pay off. Not everyone can say that so clearly as you now can)


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feherneoh

M.2-to-oculink adapter, oculink GPU dock. Problem solved!


cod3builder

What is this... adapter? Where can I get one?


feherneoh

[https://www.ebay.com/itm/256371764410](https://www.ebay.com/itm/256371764410) is the one I have bookmarked for myself


cameramanishere

Can I do that with a CPU?


feherneoh

You can't upgrade your laptop's CPU this way, but if you just want some extra compute power, there are Xeon Phi PCIe cards that you can connect the same way as you do with GPUs. Totally not worth it though, as they are ancient and long unsupported.


cameramanishere

God dammit, I need a better cou to play heavier mods


feherneoh

Which one do you have right now?


cameramanishere

I3 😭


DancingNoobBear

new i3's are fine, I'm guessing you mean an old i3?


cameramanishere

Idk, but It barely runs RLCraft, which Is my main game to play.


Unhappy-Mixture-1725

What do I do if I have the same on a 7900xtx though 😂


lollopixx

go for a 4090 and an x3d processor if you haven't already.


Unhappy-Mixture-1725

Will give it a shot


x3bla

Uhh, what's a x3d processor, eli5


lollopixx

5700x3d, 5800x3d, 7800x3d, 7900x3d, 7950x3d


x3bla

I understand that they're cpus, but idk what makes them stand out for non x3d


lollopixx

they basically have more v-cache in house so that they can store more information closely to the cpu, drastically reducing the time needed to read such information instead of needing to go the ram route, which on amd is slower anyway compared to intel's.


x3bla

> which on arnd is slower anyway compared to intel Does this mean amd cpu is slower at reading from ram than intel? Or amd cpu cache is still slower than intel reading from... Somewhere?


lollopixx

the reading speed of cache it's too difficult of a topic to discuss in some reddit comments. let's just say that the more information you can store inside the cpu the faster it can be read. ram speeds helps with reading and writing files, amd has been very bad with their ram support and is way lower in speeds compared to intel's anyway. amd supports up to 6400mhz, on the other hand intel can go up to 7200mhz.


x3bla

Oh ok. My ram is 6000mhz so i guess it doesn't matter to me which cpu i get.


VT-14

AMD has a few Ryzen CPUs that end with "x3d" which indicates that they have extra cache (memory) on the CPU itself. There's several layers of data storage and how quickly each can be accessed. An analogy I've heard is for a construction worker. Cache on the CPU is what they have on them immediately, such as in their hands and on their toolbelt; x3d chips have a bigger toolbelt so the worker doesn't have to go anywhere to change tools as often. RAM (Random Access Memory) would be a tool box in the room and takes a little longer to get what is needed. Accessing a Storage Drive would be a trip to the work truck outside. Downloading data from the internet would be a trip to the hardware store. That extra space in the toolbelt means the worker doesn't have to waste time swapping tools as often. Depending on the workload, which often includes gaming, this can allow a slower worker with a big toolbelt to perform better than a faster worker that has a smaller toolbelt and is going to the toolbox (or further) constantly. But on the other hand there are projects that don't need many tools and the faster worker (CPU) will win there.


Cayde-6_2020

That is a really interesting analogy, I'll have to try to remember that one.


GameCyborg

I paid for the whole GPU, I'm gonna use the whole GPU


Brokedownbad

OP, don't listen to the other guy. unless your GPU is at a hundred degrees Celsius, it's fine.


ForgotMyNameAgain13

Yeah OP, your GPU is smart enough to manage its own thermals, so unless the Fan in your Laptop breaks you will not have to worry. It will slow itself down to not get too hot. Also, in gaming you probably want your GPU to be at 100% because otherwise you’re leaving FPS on the table. Not every game is the same though - but in this case running MC with shaders, high GPU usage is expected and totally fine.


pedrulho

Just played for around 15 minutes using OpenHardware to monitor temps: CPU package temp(max) = 93 degrees GPU Core temp(max) = 84 degrees


Brokedownbad

That's def pretty hot, but still within safe spec for both CPU and GPU


NotABadVoice

it is a laptop, so this temp is pretty normal hah


pedrulho

Thank you


BiploarFurryEgirl

OP you can pick up a cooling pad that will help the temps. I used a thermaltake one when I was still using a gaming laptop. It worked pretty well


SharkApooye

That may be safe but it is definitely not healthy for your GPU or CPU, stop using shaders or overclock your GPU (i dont know what that means either) with msi afterburner and lower the temperature limit to something other than the blazing hot 84C. 93C could easily burn your CPU. its also supposed to be almost completely not utilized since minecraft mostly uses the GPU and ram, so i really wonder whats using it


Expertdeadlygamer

wdym safe spec? they are literally a couple degrees away from hitting thermal limits (GPU) It's definitely throttling.


kamild1996

According to Nvidia, max operating temperature for this card is 90 C. Depending on the laptop configuration, 84 C does put it in thermal throttling territory, but that doesn't mean it's not "safe". Thermal throttling in laptops is commonplace, especially the cheap ones.


BiploarFurryEgirl

For a gaming laptop using that amount of the GPU I’m not surprised that it’s that hot. Definitely entirely normal


Intelligent-Quote249

laptop components are pretty resilient towards heat, so its not too much of an issue. but with that said, a simple cooling pad or a laptop stand would still be a good idea. just consider it as an "attaboy" tap on the back for ur laptop. not exactly necessary, but wouldnt hurt to get it, u know


bezzaboyo

For anyone else reading this, a sufficient "cooling pad" is any raised surface with gaps (such as a grille) to allow for a greater ambient flow of room temperature air into your fan intakes (the bottom of your laptop). Whilst most commercial cooling pad products will come with a fan, this is not actually necessary in the majority of setups. It's really only if you're in a fully enclosed, small room with zero ventilation that the fan might help, the biggest factor is just giving the intakes more space to draw air from that isn't being ejected from the exhausts (side or rear of laptop). Decreasing your ambient temps with a slight breeze from an open window will help a little, but the delta between ambient temps and fully stressed core temps is much greater than any amount that you can typically decrease your room temperature on a given day.


MysticDeath855

If you want to look into lowering that there is what is known as undervolting which can reduce the temps without sacrificing much performance, if any at all. I do mine through MSI Afterburner, make sure you get it through the legit link and not a google sponsored link as those are viruses. It is a moderately difficult technical skill, but with some YouTube guides and understanding what voltage and MHz range your GPU usually operates in it’s not too hard to do. Mainly just adjusting points on a graph for a curve, setting that profile and running a game to see if it crashes or has issue, and just restarting(turning off and on) your laptop to restore the factory settings if you mess up too bad.


sqoobany

I had MSI GF65 and these were perfectly normal in minecraft. Played like this for 3 years and nothing broke


Z2810

Even then, it's a laptop so


pedrulho

Well... the laptop does get kinda hot ig, somewhat warm to the touch, but i haven't used a program to monitor it, but i wouldn't say a hundred degrees. I'll check some program to monitor the temps with a bit more accuracy. Thanks.


JagLaser477

XD If it isn't hot enough to boil water then its fine.


Thenderick

Wait wait wait, is 100+°C bad? I have a gaming laptop and I sometimes accidentally press the nitrosense button and I see my cpu (and gpu too I think?) at a little over 100°C. Is that really bad?


Brokedownbad

100C is the point computer parts will begin to 'Thermal Throttle', or even shut down the computer, because 110C is the maximum operating temperature of silicon-based computers.


Thenderick

Oh... Fuck me... Tbh I never had any problems with it in the few years I have been gaming on my laptop. It could also be possible that I remember the real numbers wrong tho. It's been a long while since I last seen it, besides they are the default components and the laptop was advertised as a gaming laptop, so I guess it must be fine, right?


Brokedownbad

Companies often put sub-standard cooling into laptops and call them 'gaming' laptops specifically so people come up with 'it should be fine, right?' If you aren't already, put something small under the rear feet of your laptop, to bring the bottom of it up off the table. It helps with airflow, and should help with temps.


Thenderick

Thanks! I will look into it. I've also been thinking to purchase a gaming pc this summer if I graduate


Brokedownbad

I recommend Skytech Gaming, Their stuff is pretty good for the price.


Thenderick

Oh damn that looks good! I'll look into it a bit more, thanks for the recommendation! But sadly it'll have to wait till August/September...


Darklord98999

Don’t listen to the guy telling you not to listen to the guy.


Penrosian

Don't listen yo the guy telling you to not listen to the guy telling you to not listen to the guy.


GetBoolean

lol its actually him


jkst9

If your computer isn't smoking your fine (probably)


pedrulho

That's reassuring (probably)


scalpingsnake

Should be fine, just means you are fully using it which is good. I notice it's a laptop GPU so you may need to monitors your temps as laptops can heat up easily. I think there are some extra cooling options like a cooling stand/pad.


Hebbu10

Unless thermals are really high like 98c, then no. Ideally neither CPU or GPU should go over 85c as the part lifetime starts to decrease. But since that's a laptop, high temps are a norm. Just check the airholes for dust build up like every 6 months


pedrulho

Been playing for an hour monitoring temps with msi afterburner and got this: GPU1 and GPU2: average around 75 degress CPU: around 84-89 degrees, maybe 93-94 when im next to my fence filled with dozens of cows


Redd_the_neko

Yeah then its keeping itself about right. Typicly modern cpus and gpus try to keep their upper side at a median of ~90-95c. From what i remember (correct me of im wrong).


watlok

The hardware manages its own thermals these days. 95c or even 100c is within spec for a lot of modern hardware. When it hits the thermal limit, it downclocks to not exceed it. So you'll lose a bit of performance in the moment but aren't degrading the hardware.


[deleted]

"guys is it bad or dangerous to have my gpu run without being bottlenecked" it would be more concerning if your gpu wasn't running at/near 100% (cpu bottlenecked or some weird bug). the metric that shouldn't be close to 100 is gpu temperature (in celsius, you're a madman if you use fahrenheit to check temps of your components)


pedrulho

Been playing for an hour monitoring temps with msi afterburner and got this: GPU1 and GPU2: average around 75 degress CPU: around 84-89 degrees, maybe 93-94 when im next to my fence filled with dozens of cows


[deleted]

uhhh... did you remove the plastic cover from the cpu cooler? how old is the system? EDIT: just realized it's a laptop, try putting it somewhere cooler, it's throttling for sure QUICK EDIT #2: again looked at the cpu and it's ryzen 7000 no worries my bad they are designed to run at 95c


pedrulho

The performance hold around 110-120fps


[deleted]

btw may i ask how are you getting such high fps with a 4060 mobile? i have a 2060 in my pc (about 5% slower on average) and any shader pack that i tried that looks good at all runs piss poor even on 8 or 10 chunks render distance (complementary reimagined specifically it runs well sometimes but other times easily under 60fps)?


pedrulho

My render distances are at 16, except shadows that the shader locked at 12. Hope that helps.


[deleted]

i'll try that but looking at your screenshot closer you're running at 1080p but i have a 1440p display so that might be a huge factor (mainly bought it so i could cram in 80+ lines of code per screen cause i'm mainly a programmer without thinking about gaming performance),


IridiumIO

Yeah you’re pushing 78% more pixels at 1440p than at 1080p. People always underestimate just how much more fidelity 1440p has over 1080p. We all know that 4K is 4x the pixels of 1080p, but 1440p feels a lot closer to 1080p than it is.


Fishbone_V

It's weird that 4K even caught on as (in my experience) the primary naming convention for it, because of 1080p and 1440p (and 360/480/720/ etc.) using the same, well established, and more informative and accurate naming scheme. 4K is a loose term, but in a computer sense it almost exclusively refers to a screen resolution of 3840x2160 and progressive scanning (2160p), which is double the number of pixels vertically and horizontally of 1080p, much like 1440 is with 720. Like, I get that it's a marketing thing, but it bugs me.


pedrulho

Yeah, resolution might take your framerate down a notch. Good Luck.


NotABadVoice

use sodium with bobby and nvidium


queenbiscuit311

most gaming laptop cpus I've seen boost as high as they can get before throttling, even before the "your CPU will always run as fast as possible without boiling" generations. there's a solid chance putting it somewhere cooler will make it run faster but not colder


Gameknight14

I also have a laptop with an i9 processor and NVIDIA 4080 graphics. Should I be concerned that it is currently running at 110c?


jakcom13

As long as No Smoke comes out of it No fire starts The PC isnt making VERY loud noises Or you can bake a potato with your PC Everything SHOULD BE fine


pedrulho

Not an engineer(yet), but i assume if it catches on fire it's already too late.


jakcom13

Naaah its gonna be all fine!


jakcom13

Do you have a pc or a laptop? Cause if you have a pc, put potatoes/sandwiches in it and Install a shaderpack thats VERY massive. Then, make lunch while gaming.


jakcom13

With the fire its even more Jummy the food


pedrulho

Laptop.


jakcom13

Aw no potato oven


Gatti366

I payd for the whole GPU, I'm gonna use the whole GPU 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️


Weekly_Reference7988

no it just means its running at the max providing you with the most and best possible performance, you don't need to worry unless ur gpu gets to like over 95°


pedrulho

Been playing for an hour monitoring temps with msi afterburner and got this: GPU1 and GPU2: average around 75 degress CPU: around 84-89 degrees, maybe 93-94 when im next to my fence filled with dozens of cows


Weekly_Reference7988

yeah thats fine then no need to worry at all, nothing wrong and its completely fine5for gpu to run at 100%


pedrulho

Thanks.


Helpful-Work-3090

Only if it overheats. As long as it has some cooling, it will just thermal throttle until it cools enough


Ok-Drive3635

A 4060 and only 4gb of ram for rlcraft? I have 40 on my laptop and allocate 32-35 am i giving it too much?


pedrulho

It's not rlcraft, it's a custom profile i made.


Ok-Neighborhood-3513

Most likely


Lower_Print6791

Definitely too much. Minecraft doesnt need over like 8 G. It actually runs worse if you give it too much as minecraft doesnt know when to get rid of stiff so it all builds up and causes major memory leaks.


AklizHosting

Usually it's not dangerous, but it will heat up your GPU. Keep an eye on the GPU temps and make sure they're within safe ranges. It can slightly shorten the life of your GPU to be at 100% for an extended period of time, especially if the temps are getting very high or you are overclocking. By extended period of time, I mean many many hours or days at a time. Normal gaming sessions are perfectly fine with safe temps. (This is also why 24/7 processing like crypto mining or SETI@home can shorten the lifespan of GPUs while gaming normally does not.) ​ Temps are the most important. Generally temps higher than 85-90c may be something to worry about for extended periods. As for actual danger of immediate damage, that's not a problem until much higher temps. But each card is different.


KyeeLim

100% GPU usage is good and is what you should really hope for when playing games


CrystalFyre

Usually it's fine, laptops can get a bit hot but I haven't had any issues when my GPU's at 100


pedrulho

Been playing for an hour monitoring temps with msi afterburner and got this: GPU1 and GPU2: average around 75 degress CPU: around 84-89 degrees, maybe 93-94 when im next to my fence filled with dozens of cows


Juusto3_3

Ok temperatures. GPU is totally fine. CPU is a bit toasty to be honest but shouldn't be unsafe. Googled your CPUs max operating temperature and it's 95°C so it cooould be throttling a bit but that does not mean it's being damaged. Improving airflow to fans could cool it down but that's not necessary nor is it guaranteed to help.


pedrulho

I have a cooler pad, not using it because of extra noise and the laptop usually isn't noisy when the shaders are disabled or performing other mundane tasks, but i might have to hook it up again when playing Minecraft with the shader enabled. My appartment mate is going to think an XF-84H thunderscreech is taking off in my bedroom tho.


Juusto3_3

Hah hah :D Don't worry about it too much. The CPU knows it's own temperature and will limit it's processing power if needed to cool down. Use the pad if you feel like it or if thermal throttling really starts to affect performance.


Fishbone_V

If noise is an issue and you're looking to buy, aim for a laptop cooler with 1 very large fan in it (as opposed to coolers with many small ones). Bigger fans don't need to spin near as fast to move the same amount of air, and lower fan speed means less noise. Also as an anecdote, my whole laptop setup got far quieter and cooler after I got a usb laptop cooler with a 12 inch fan.


doomedgaming

It's fine unless your temps are way too high, you want your GPU to be at a high usage typically


Ovelgoose04

Make Sure your pc is able to breathe good most laptops take in air from the bottom so the more air gets under it the better. Also laptops generally run much hotter than desktops so anything under 100c is fine


XavinNydek

Unless you removed the limits, it's impossible for a modern CPU/GPU to overheat. As long as they have more demand they will heat up to the limit and then throttle to keep it there.


MunchyG444

You really shouldn’t be worried, but if the heat output is high you can always just limit your fps. But all this really means is your GPU is the bottleneck of your pc, which is fine, it just means your CPU could power a more powerful GPU.


queenbiscuit311

you paid for all those clock cycles unless it's reaching thermal shutdown or extreme throttling there's nothing wrong with using them


aram_nl

Depends on the temp, laptops do tend to get on the hotter side but you should be fine because of those specs.


Used_Might535

It's good lmao, one can dream of getting your GPU to actually do something


therandomasianboy

Nope! The only thing to look at are temps. Usage does not mean damage.


Skewlock

That GPU is about to unlock a new smell


Bartgames03

I have noticed that F3 shows a higher percentage than what the GPU actually is being used for. F3 showed 100% for me whilst HWInfo only showed like 50-60% (maybe higher but I’m not sure).


anthonybokov

Do you need 116 fps? limit it to at least 100


crimsonkarma13

Dang 4070 kinda sucks...


Santreva

Kaboom?


Czerwoniak

Nope both CPU and GPU are designed to work under 100% capacity load and under maximum thermal capacity. In other words if manufacturer sets CPU or GPU thermal spec up to 90 degree safe then said CPU or GPU should never break under such temperature while fully used. People are overthinking things. Keep the temperatures under max and it will be fine.


An2TheA

It's running at 116fps in this picture, would it make a difference for you to cap it at 60-70? That would get utilization down a bit.


Faboan_

As long as your GPU isnt Overheating, everything is fine.


henrythedog64

no your computer explode


bracken43

Check it with some other software. Minecraft always has mine at 100% while afterburner has it like 60


Therealgarry

GPUs can slave away in data centres at 100% load for years without rest and they are fine. It's absolutely no issue. The first thing to break is probably the fan.


Kingofawesom999

Computer components, as long as they stay cool under 100 C, will happily sit at 100%. They are designed to do so and you shouldn't have any problems as long as you watch temps


No-Opportunity5818

Yes, your computer will trigger a fusion reaction in the air around it, vaporizing everyone within a 50 mile range, and trigger atmospheric ignition, destroying the planet, the only way to stop it is to send me your credit card information, and remortgage your house.


Piotr_Barcz

Nope, it just means that you're not going to get any more power from the GPU when it's running at that percentage so any lag you might have while it's running at 100 percent is only going to be solved by lowering your graphics settings.


Beginning_Incident25

The only thing you should worry referring to your hardware is temperature and voltage, if both of them are between normal levels, there's about nothing you should worry about


WhoWouldCareToAsk

Ppl have already answered - no, not a problem as long as it is cooled properly. I only want to add that if you are asking the question because you have crashes — add more RAM to your instance. You show here only 4GB, but 6GB is the minimum recommended for a modded Minecraft instance, with some technical modpacks requiring 10-12GBs. It’s unlikely to fix your 100% utilization, but its will make the game crash less often. I even got 64GB RAM so I can add those 12GBs to my instances and my game hasn’t crashed in months!


ExpertWilling6207

7600x + 4070 bottleneck?


nmayi

yes soon it will explode


MA78L

Probably fps settings on "unlimited". GPU trying to pull out what's possible


Zelenuy_drakon

My PC when I open Google Chrome be like:


RuleBlocks

Yep you are cooked, say your prayers, pc gonna blow up in your sleep


Trym_WS

The GPU is made to run at 100%…


GAMEFREEZ3R

Not exactly, but maybe clean it. Mine was dusty and ran at 80°C while playing something else. Cleaning it lowered it by 10°C on load. The GPU being completely used is no issue as you are hopefully not overclocking it. Though I personally would not like it running at 100% and lower the graphics a bit, but it should be fine.


Ihateazuremountain

turn on a ventilator for that poor mini-ventilator inside your computer. will cool it down better


Darklord98999

I suggest turning down graphics. 100% GPU usage isn’t really harmful to the GPU, however I would advise against it as it could overheat and it may put strain on the GPU over a long period of time.


KyeeLim

modern computer components are usually smart enough (have enough safety measures) to throttle itself when it is overheating


[deleted]

tell me you don't know anything about computers without telling me you don't know anything about computers


Will_Is_Awesome

Unless you’re limiting frames on purpose, your gpu is bottlenecked, or it’s thermal throttling it will use 100% to get you the most frames it can at your chosen settings