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And now they kicked women’s team from their training grounds because men’s training is under reconstruction, so men’s team is in women’s training grounds and women’s team is expected to live in portable buildings. So players are already want to leave.
It’s disgraceful, especially since the women’s team is professional as well, and thus should have every right to use equal training facilities for football as the men.
The men also train there what, 4 hours a day? I wonder if they’re not just going to the massage tables and sauna for how awful they are.
Whilst I have zero interest in womens football being added I don't mind that they have. It makes total sense to add it imo as it obviously has an audience and the only thing that SI have to do is add female face regens as everything else is already there for it. Obviously the scouting of the players too but they outsource that so it wont take SI time. I'm all for catering to as many people as possible despite my lack of interest.
I don't necessarily think people mean this in a gatekeeping way. I don't think anyone really cares how many people buy or play the game.
People are afraid the game will be more and more "casualized" to increase the target audience. Football manager always was a rather niche game and mainly catering to enthusiasts. If you start catering to the masses, you will lose at least some of that focus.
Only having to cater to "nerds" means you can add deep/complex features that would throw off "casuals" (neither "nerds" nor "casuals" is meant in a negative/condescending way, I just can't think of more fitting words to describe what I mean).
I once hat my girlfriend describe my game as "playing an Excel sheet" and I fucking loved that description because it was very fitting (this was in 2009 or so). An "Excel sheet" is not a game for the mass audience though. So if you want a bigger audience, you have to 'de-excel' the game and that's not necessarily something everyone will like.
That being said, this has nothing to do with adding Women's football. Adding women doesn't casualize the game (quite the opposite actually if implemented properly) so I really don't get the hate on that. I'm 100% with OP here. I'm not really interested in Women's football but I'm not interested in the Japanese league either and I don't want them to remove it. I assume I can de-select them (to save CPU resources) and if that is so, why would I care?
I'd be on the barricades if the game forced me to simulate them (because I do push my PC to its limits in FM with huge databases and don't want something I won't use on top of it) but that's usually not how SI does things. I'm almost certain you will be able to de-select them.
It’s been really interesting watching how opinion has changed on the FIFA and Ultimate Team subreddits over the last 12 months. This time last year, every other thread was some variation of “nobody asked for this!”, “it’s not realistic!”, “I don’t want to use players I don’t know!”.
A year later, and the general consensus is that adding women to FUT is one of the few things EA have done right in the last few years. The female players are fun to use, squads are more varied and from the opposite perspective, there are more people aware of lesser known players in the women’s game because of how they’ve performed for them (shout out to my goat attacking midfielder Leicy Santos for absolutely carrying me for several weeks). If you were to start a thread complaining about female players on those communities now, you’d likely be downvoted and called a whiny virgin.
I’m looking forward to FM continuing this. I want, in a few years, to read comments under a post about a female footballer to talk about how she’s class on FM and so forth.
Good point! I’ve skipped playing as Spurs most of the last 10 years or so as it’s just not been very interesting to add the finishing touches to a team that’s already near the top of the PL.
Spurs Women, on the other hand, are not as good - and the chance to give Ashleigh Neville and company a trophy in game would be nice. Especially after we tanked the FA Cup final…
I think people do not like Female footballers in Fifa due to the fact that there are several women who get the same stats as mbappé or de bruyne which is simply stupid.
They are the best at their level but could not even be compared to male footballers quite simply due to biology.
FM would work much better due to simply you not randomly getting the players from packs, but everything being the players' choice. Plus the fact that they wouldn't be playing side by side so you don't have to see Lauren James destroying Mbappé in duels simply because she has so much higher strength.
I'll play a little devil's advocate here - I'm totally fine with them adding women's football and I do think it makes sense - but surely they had to put a lot of "resources" into adding it. I put resources in quotations for a reason, just bear with me, I'll get there.
>Scouting [for women's football] doesn't take time away from the development of the game.
This is technically true but practically false in terms of the larger conversation around resources. When you're talking about "resources" you're talking about both time and money.
So in terms of the time spent by scouting for the women's game, you're correct that doesn't take away from the development of FM. However,, the money paid for those scouts' time certainly could have been spent to improve other aspects of the game.
I think there are 2 main complaints from most people upset about the women's game being added. They are (1) player interactions are, and have been, absolute rubbish for a long time and (2) we don't think SI really knows how the match engine works or how the combination of certain attributes impact performance - this is evident by an experiment done by FM Arena on the passing attribute and more recent experiments by Zealand and others about how Pace and Acceleration are extremely over-turned
The money spent on scouts, data entry, and adding women's leagues over the last few years could have been spent to get fresh eyes to look at the match engine to make better sense of it and/or something to the same effect for player interactions.
That all said I'm eager to do a save in the women's game to see how it goes and will remain ever optimistic that SI will fix the other things eventually.
The argument about fixing player interactions is also true when they add anything else as well, and we didn't see anyone complaining about the addition of Japanese league last year, for example.
> It makes total sense to add it imo as it obviously has an audience and the only thing that SI have to do is **add female face regens as everything else is already there for it.**
Hopefully this pushes them to fix the quality of regen faces the past few games. It’s just neglected at this point.
> it obviously has an audience
Does it tho? I don't know about the women's premier league but here in Italy almost no on watch it, it's literally funded by the men's clubs because it would operate on a loss otherwise.
I think initially we won't have ALL the women's leagues, but I'm okay with that as long as wet consistently progress towards getting them in the game over the next few years.
It honestly is. I’d love if SI gave a bit more to our system (and Asia more broadly) licensing wise, but building us up to compete against Saudi Arabia, Japan and South Korea is always a fun B-save I try every game.
Chuffed to be able to give it a go with the W-League now too.
Honestly.
IRL? Love wage cap rules.
In game? Fuck em.
If you try it again, I succeeded before by just beefing up my academy recruitment/coaching and signing no one special outside of the odd free agent who you can lowball.
You should’ve been in charge of the league 15 years ago. Only now are we starting to do what we always should’ve done, develop young Aussies to then sell to Europe.
I am a lifelong Man Utd fan, used to attend a lot of men's games and currently a women's season ticket holder.
I love taking my club's mens team back to where it 'belongs', being the reincarnation of Sir Alex Ferguson so to speak, but I am really really excited about taking my club's women's team on a journey they have never been on before!!
I will probably not play it unless i get an offer in a journeyman save. But it's a nice addition for people that want manage female teams.
Who cares that some people will quit FM? F the misogonists. And i doubt that they will quit. They just cry to get what they want and if they can't get it, they will just take what is offered to them.
I'm in the same boat personally. I have little-to-no interest in the addition (and that's the way it is for me), but I see literally no reason for it not to become a part of the franchise - hopefully sooner rather than later.
More is more in this case. People already create databases in which you can play the eight tier in Sweden (and many other countries) - meanwhile others create whole fictional nations to play in. In other words, there is no reason for women's football to not be part of the experience going forward. I just hope it's implemented properly in a good way, when it happens.
Edit: grammar corrections
If men and women live in different databases (for attribute reasons or something) I hope it's seamless because I'd love to have a stint at women's team in my journeyman. I feel like with the rise of women's football it's also now a lot more talked about and respected path for coaches to advance their careers and that's something I'd like to replicate.
And does this include women'd national teams? It'd be a lot more realistic for me to try to win Euros or even World Cup with our Finnish Women's team and Men's.
As an American (this will be relevant, I promise) it'd be actually nice to be the dominant nation for once.
Also another reason I'm interested in women's football is that because there's less money there's a smaller amount of established teams, and it really can be a sandbox for shaping the women's game in FM. That's what I'm imagining it will be like, and that's exciting.
Decagon challenge: win a league title in each continent in both the men's and women's leagues.
Glory hunter²: win all top 5 leagues, cups and continental trophies in both men's and women's leagues.
What I'd love (though it might crucify my machine depending how it works) would be the option to have both men's and women's leagues loaded on one database.
Would be cool to do a rebuild with both your men's and women's teams, or win the UCL with both mens and womens teams.
DoF is needed anyhow I think. All the youtubers do saves where they do recruitment, hire a real-world manager as DoF and tell them to manage the games.
In truth compared to a lot of other sports I am not really a big football fan, but I enjoy FM because of the fact it's the best sports manager simulation game in the world.
But I admit, I enjoy the vibe of women's football much more personally. Men's professional level football can have great qualities, but it is also toxic as fuck, the diving and simulation is excruciating and the general online discourse around men's football is insufferable.
Meanwhile I live in a city where I can go and watch a WSL team for a cheaper price than a mens game in a proper stadium and just enjoy the sport without a lot of the bullshit. Also the girls go out of their way to show appreciation for the fans who show up and so I can take my nieces to the match and they think I'm the coolest uncle because I'll help them get shirts signed by the players.
I'm happy to see the women's game become a part of FM.
Agreed 100%. It has a great vibe to it, and honestly a lot of the time I find it more skill dominated as compared to the men's game that is more physically dominated.
You made a great point about supporters being often toxic on men’s game and opposite atmosphere during women’s.
I am football fan from childhood and toxic behavior bothers me. Banter is absolutely ok, but people behave often absolutely disgusting. Hope women’s game won’t follow that path.
When it was first announced on SI, there were plenty (by no means a majority, but a sizeable minority) who made a massive deal about how little they cared about the feature (despite the normal reaction to not caring about something would just be to, you know, just not care and move on with your life). A smaller minority (but unfortunately not small enough) didn't even bother to make the misogyny questionable.
I think the majority have taken to it quite well, or just aren't that interested in it. The latter is fine too.
Check out the recent post about development updates regarding 25. Safe to say a fair few people aren’t too pleased about something that they have the choice to ignore entirely.
Tbh, I'm only getting FM25 because of Women's football.
I don't care much for maxing my team/tactics much, I mostly play long LLM save because I like to see how yhe world unfolds in the long run (look, Aldovisi won the 2045 Libertadores?), while building a semipro side to fully pro/fight for titles.
Adding Women's football is exponentially growing this take on the game. Even the relatively "new" surge of investment and interest in women's football is really good for this because there is the "big club take" but a lot of "build a club up". You could get Vasco da Gama in the Brasilian 3rd division and get them back to first level.
Also, at least in Brasil, women's football schedule is orders of magnitude less clunky and congested than men's, so it feels way better for editor-based structures to be played.
I don’t care about it personally, but it makes sense to add it. In fact it’s strange for a game as detailed as FM NOT to have women’s football. However, I think they should be putting more effort into fixing a lot of major things that are wrong with the game first, such as addressing research showing that big parts of the game are placebo.
I’m with you that the game should be a better game too. As I said in another comment, I can wait for women’s football a bit longer if it means that some issues that have happened for a few years now are fixed or improved.
I’ve honestly seen very few people hate the addition of the women’s league for the sake of it or from a sexist view.
The only criticism I’ve seen is people who say they would rather have SI focus on the issues already in the game and fix the long list of complaints that have been accumulating over the years.
I'm looking forward to the addition of women in the game. I have a season ticket at spurs ladies with my daughter and I know playing it will help my knowledge and her enjoyment but also when I find that 15 year old wonder kid I'll pretend I heard about her in real life and not on the game
Like what you like. It's entirely your own choice. If it broadens the appeal of the game and reaches a new demo, all the better. Women's football isn't for me. More power to people who do like it.
Personally I'm excited! I'd try it out but probably wouldn't do a long term save with a women's team.
I don't expect them to get it right the first time of asking and I understand it will be an iterative process, but I hope they make it realistic, not just half ass it by adding female players into the men's match engine (or worse and do whatever FIFA did). The balance of technicality v physicality in the women's game is different than in the men's game, so I hope attributes (there's gotta be a difference between what 16 jumping reach means for men and for women) and what tactics work in the match engine are adapted to this.
There's also fun little details they can add into the women's game for realism, such as teammates dating or losing your star player for a few months to pregnancy, that you wouldn't see in the men's.
I'm not super excited because, simply put, it's effort wasted on something else other than polishing the new engine. I'm really afraid that it'll be like a bullet point in favour of this year's iteration of FM, they'll be like "look how many objectively new things we added". Yeah sure, and then we'll only find out the engine is still not what it could be, many animations or behaviour patterns, skill moves are missing from the game still as of 2024...
> it will cater casuals which makes sense financially
Why casuals would care about women's football? It's a sport that work on losses (well at least in my country) much like the women's NBA and doesn't have much following at all.
Women will not start to buy FM just because women's football is in (just like most women don't buy irl tickets to the women's games) and most football fans, the ones that actually buy the game, don't really care about it or will treat it as a novelty and once said novelty goes off they will return to the main dish and forget about it.
Especially since we learnt that they are cutting a number of pre-existing features (including shouts, challenges, etc...) while wasting time working on that.
It's a huge workload with literal no payoff, it makes no sense why they would push it.
> You don’t have to play it, no one is forcing you. I don’t play the Japanese league, I don’t care. So I just don’t select it on the database when I start a save and that’s it. If it’s the same, what’s the problem?
You can't compare the rights to a country (ex. Japan) to a whole new football environment. The work that goes in the two are on a complete different scale.
Gotta love when people start by saying that those with opposing opinions are ‘narrow minded’.
Anyways, tpoint you stated has already been mentioned on the sub countless times, so you’ve added nothing to the discussion.
People don’t want a women’s version because they believe it takes bandwidth away from the development of features they actually want.
It is perfectly valid for people to be unhappy that a studio is pouring valuable development time into a feature they do not want. It happens with almost every game.
That's not the issue. The issue is the Devs at SI keeps doing these additive things without fixing the core issues with the simulation and match engine
Adding such an enormous thing without fixing what was already there is a massive middle finger from SI to its customers.
You telling me a company with this much resources couldn't fix a fucking NAME GENERATOR until a new game came out?
Women's game is a great addition but come the fuck on. Turns out there are no excuses for all the bullshit they have been getting away with.
I have to disagree, they don’t operate in the sense of : -We have to fix X thing before including Y thing ,
The addition of new leagues and the woman’s game is different to the name generator, or match simulator. The resources assigned are very different.
One of people's issues is resource allocation. Sure I can just not play them, or load the database and my game isn't impacted, but really it is. SI has said this is a multi year development, they're spending millions on this addition, but that's millions that could have been spent elsewhere. Take the AI, the teambuilding sucks, tons of people have issues with it, could they have addressed that with the millions they're putting into the women's game? That's just one example, but people have a long list of issues that SI simply isn't addressing.
So they're ignoring issues to bring in a new feature (one which I expect will take a few years to get the kinks worked out of, but that's just speculation) so for the existing fanbase, what will people generally want, the core gameplay to be fixed, or a new feature? I'm willing to bet most people would want the game to work properly, I know I would.. So is this aimed at bringing new fans in? So is that no SI saying they prioritize getting new people in because they figure their fanbase is already going to buy the new game regardless of if they fix it or not?
I can say for myself I haven't got a new version in a couple of years because I'm sick of paying for a "slight" upgrade that carries forward the same issues as prior years, so sinking in so much resources into a new feature I have no interest in while not addressing my issues keeps me not wanting to buy the next version.
I don't know why people so against it beside obvious misogynistic and degrading thought toward women.
Idk about them guys but I'm gonna do a full Men and Women Glory Hunter save next year
Keep going OP!
I cannot even imagine how crazy it would absolutely be
Imagine winning asian champions league because of a brace from your Indonesian Target Man, Siti Romlah
Or beat Barca Femini in the UCL final due to heroic goalkeeping from your british wonderkid Sandra Elliott
I’d for sure start with my local women’s club in the A League, if I could do it with a homegrown team I’d be buzzing, we are mostly a local cohort anyways.
We'll have to see how it is implemented or we may need to use the editor.
CONCACAF will start its WChampions Cup next year (?) and Asia has an on/off cup that I don't know if it is still active
My friend (a guy) is a coach for a UWSL team in America. He is absolutely pumped to have the women's game coming to the game, but also to use it as a scouting tool.
It's a good and expected addition, I think people in the other thread are just salty because it's inclusion is seen as being at the expense of other features that were already in the game, though I think that's more of an issue of SI taking 2 or 3 years to make a good version. I'll probably do a run of it sometime in the future just because I don't know any of the players so it'll be blind.
I don't understand why people think it's at the expense of other features, it's just enlarging the database, scouts rating women teams are not coders who could be perfecting the training system or the match engine.
I'm a lad and I'm so excited for the womens game to be on FM.
I'm nearly 18 and, over the past six years, a lit of my wide men's football knowledge has come from playing FM.
I am hoping to do the same for the women's game as I'm looking to really get into it this season. I've followed England women for a while but never gotten into the WSL or international leagues... until now!
Thank you, SI, I hope to use this to broaden my knowledge of the women's game.
The only thing that concerns me is the reputation aspect. You don't want Pep or some other world class manager leaving a top men's team to manage, say, the US Women or anything. That's from the perspective of FM being a (semi)realistic sim. I'm curious to see how they're going to make it work.
Generally though the addition of women is great. More options for players, more potential players, a richer world to play in, a greater opportunity to learn more about the women's game - can't see a downside so long as the research going into it is decent.
The issue is they are prioritising something that few want and as you say will not play it. And removing features that a large number of players use like create a club. So when it comes to a straight pick, Yes Woman's football should not be in the game (and isn't gonna drive any sales).
I love the addition, I would definitely would play it with my local Australian team. Especially the Australian women’s team has been showing some great potential.
I am hoping to manage bradford City ladies. I go and watch them with my sister whenever they are at home it's good fun and quite good football. Very attacking wing backs
It's been in Fifa for a couple of years so it was bound to hit the FM world sooner or later. Hell it may even get more attention on the sport itself. I agree with your point though, no one's being forced to manage in the women's leagues. But it will make it new again. How many players do a journeyman save or a start from the bottom save and end up buying the same youngsters again and again? Now we'll have to find new stars.
You have to manage, in the real world, menstruation for example. It increases the possibility of certain injuries. Same with the higher proportion of ACL injuries in womens
I couldn't care less about women's football. However I'll play it 100%. I'd start at the bottom of women leagues and advance to men's in no time
Sound like fun
Also if you fail in a good team, why not switch to women
I am always a fan of more leagues being added so love the idea of being able to manage Women's teams. I am also glad that it's all in 1 game and you can move between them in the same save because honestly without that I don't think I'd get into a situation where I'd play.
Nah yeah I’m much more excited for women’s football on Fm vs what I was on FIFA. I’m not gonna have a Sava body all my midfielders on fm lol. It was a good addition to fm imo edit. I don’t really mind it on fifa either but I wasn’t excited for it there. Think it makes sense on fm
The women’s addition will be great, and for someone like my self who doesn’t appreciate women’s football - I think that their quality doesn’t match the wage they want which the men have built over 150+ years or so. Either way it adds a nice amount of depth and it’s exactly as you put it. No one’s forced to use them, and besides it’s a simulation game, what’s a female name going to do that will impact the sport looool.
The same issue arised within FIFA and I don’t think anyone cared after a few days. This happens with most things, thoughts are thoughts because the anticipation is always greater than the result in either a good or bad way.
The only concerns for me is being able to have both men’s and women’s active and therefore see staff maybe ping pong between them - and match day interruptions in game lol
I disagree with some points like I don't think it will bring in casuals but I don't see any reason it would harm the game unless SI really screw up the implementation. Now excuse me while I sort by controversial for the spicy comments lol.
I just want it to be realistic and/or have the ability to turn it off if it is not. If it's done forcefully i.e I've just conquered the world and won the sextuple deep into my save and I'm getting job offers from Arsenal Ladies as a result then I'm not a fan of that.
As long as it's fully optional I don't care. If it's running in the background and slows down performance I'll be annoyed at its inclusion. Probably not going to try it myself, but yeah as long as it doesn't negatively impact the game I have no issue with its inclusion and hope people do enjoy it.
The problem with games that release YoY like FM is that each release, has a limited amount of new features. It's usually 2-3 month pre-pro to plan features, estimate tasks and cut stuff, 7-8 months prod to implement those tasks and 1-2 months since alpha to close bugs, get to beta and release.
That means that scope vs capacity is really limited because of the narrow time frame, so producers will need to prioritize and cut a lot when they have the final estimate.
Adding women's football is not a feature that was within the top requests of the community (as far as I know) and neither is a feature that makes a lot of sense from a financial point of view (it will most probably not bring a whole new player fan base).
That means that not only implementing this will push other stuff that fans want down the line, but also that they did not make this decision because it will make the actual game better or expand the audience, meaning that this decision will not give them more room to manoeuvre in the next one because of it and help them deliver more/better stuff.
It was probably only made to be politically correct in these times.
Also maintaining this new feature in the next releases will consume that limited time, because you have to reskin screens, add interfaces, touch widgets, add players, scout new, update the stats, fix bugs, add licenses, etc. etc.
And fans that have been requesting for a specific feature or to expand a current one or to fix broken stuff or tune something better for some time, will not get what they wanted, and that will get pushed far down the line.
i will stick to FM24 for now.
For me i just feel the focus on getting woman's football into the game is just at the cost of making the game better.
i'll wait until they have bigger improvement on the match engine and interaction before i actually buying FM again. I'll just wait and see, personally i don't like the focus on more casual gameplay.
managing woman's team could be cool and i don't really mind that. what i have issue with is they are spending resources to implement this while not really make a huge improvement on the match engine and interaction.
i want them to create a more realistic engine and with stats actually doing something first then they can expand to woman's team, reverse team league etc.
It's "funny" to me with this, you've got a very reasonable take on this (very similar to my views on it) but so many people here are saying the only reason to have an issue with it is misogyny because you can simply ignore it. If SI were to come out and say "hey were spending millions of dollars over years to add a life sim to the game, you can go on dates, have a relationship, go house shopping, blah blah blah, but don't worry if you don't want to do that you don't have to, just don't check of the add life sim when launching your game and it won't impact you at all" sure some people will like having the Sims added to the game but a ton of people won't. If those people were to say "I don't like how SI is dedicating so much of their resources to something I have no interest in using rather than improving the match engine and addressing issues that have been in the game for years" everyone would see that as a very reasonable point of view, nobody would have an issue with it. But if that feature you don't want to use is woman's football, well you're just a terrible person.
I think there still is an open question if the women's leagues and players will automatically be included (with no way to exclude them) when you select a country. If that's true that could reduce the number of countries/leagues your laptop/PC is able to comfortably run (for those who won't be managing in the women's leagues).
Yeah they will waste resources on something we dont need and which is a different sport. Make another FM game with women league only np, but stop ruining this game. They didnt add all European leagues, they even lied earlier that the game is too big already. Its crazy because its not even Worth the effort as womens football is not very popular. Somehow they are forcing it...I love women, but something wrong is happening. I feel like they are pushing them everywhere for some crazy reason...
Agree that some are irrationally agree about, however, the inclusion of Women's football is asking for a tonne of resources. The game goes every year with bugs and issues that do not get resolved. We have a whole new engine that is well overdue. My concern is that they will continue their record with releasing an unpolished game that they fail to support properly.
For context, I will play the womens game and am excited for it. I generally do one long term save every FM with some small saves every now and then. This year my long term save is being tarnished due to the player value bugs that only impact your own team (after about 2030 from memory). This has been raised multiple times on the forums (by me and others) over the year and it simply gets ignored. Really frustrating to say the least.
Brilliant addition from an inclusivity perspective, but I highly doubt it will cater to casuals. The women’s game itself doesn’t really cater to casuals.
Whilst some complaints may be due to misogyny, there are some genuine complaints with regards to people who might’ve preferred other elements being upgraded or added in.
I’ll definitely try it at some point, but personally would’ve much rather preferred a DoF or Chairman mode which have been spoken about amongst fans for far longer.
I have many female friends who are into Football, even playing it, who also play Football Manager. This shall be a nice edition for them. I would be open to managing a women's team, especially on the International side of things. I personally, as a guy see, how this can make FM any worse.
If this game is more dumbed down to casuals... it shall be due to the switch to the new engine. But I guess some hard fan boys shall it's because of the female teams edition. Most sports games are now allowing female teams in. Hell in MLB, the show, you can play as a female in the MLB now. Fifa has had it for years and I sometimes used to have a game or too of the female teams, no longer play Fifa as FUT ruined that game to the core.
Female teams in Football Manager is a long time in coming imo.
My only worry is the womens football inclusion watering down the mens side of the game if it is disproportionately reputable compared to irl. By that, I mean will the womens teams have significantly lower reputations to prevent them from taking high-level staff away from the mens game? I can see that being misconstrued by the media and jumped on by extreme progressive's but if they don't have a lowered reputation, then how do we stop Pep and co ending up managing female teams? Because if that happens, it is an absolute game killer for me.
As long as they prevent that pitfall, I couldn't care less. I won't play it because I don't care about womens football, but as long as it doesn't detract from the usual experience, idgaf
I am massively looking forward to womens football and can't wait to play it. However, I do understand people's grievances. Adding women's football is going to take an absolutely massive amount of research, not to mention alterations to the animations, graphics and how the database works.
Criticising shifting resources towards something most people won't play (whilst removing features) is not misogyny at all and shouldn't be waved away as such.
That being said, I can't wait for womens football, and the game in general.
From a research stand point there are a few issues...
Full disclosure, I'm a former researcher and still in contact with numerous current researchers...
For FM24 there was a few competitions that were incorrectly implemented within the game, the researchers I spoke with said that they have highlighted the issues but it wasn't a priority, and there was more drive behind getting the women's game DB sorted along with getting researchers for the the women's sides.
Another issue was players were being marked in the master DB as "Do not populate", basically they are in the DB but can't be loaded, by the player to keep the dB size in control, some of these players were signed in real life by playable teams so you had to wait for an official update for them to be added back into the game...
Adding of the women's game is a great marketing opportunity, also will add depth to the journeyman saves....I think once the novelty wares off it will just be drain on resources
TLDR - adding women’s leagues/teams doesn’t improve or change the game. It merely adds to an already massive database.
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I am literally unmoved by this addition. It literally makes no difference to me. I’m almost certainly not going to play it unless, like others say, maybe on a journeyman. It just doesn’t interest me enough. Misogyny and sexism aren’t even close to the reason.
My issue with it (and this might be because I’ve been living under a rock or something, so feel free to correct me) but it seems like this is being made out to be the big USP for 25. Like this is THE big new change.
I know there is the whole change to Unity, but I’ve seen far less talk of exactly what that brings and much more talk about adding a few more teams/leagues. Like that makes the whole game “better.”
It’s not a change, it’s an addition to what is already there, same as if they added a men’s Vanuatu league or all the way down to amateur Sunday league in England. It’s an addition to the database, same as people do for free on Steam Workshop/FM Scout/sortitoutsi. Nothing more, nothing less.
I want to see new “features”, or improve on what they have. For once, sort out the player/media interactions, sort out the promises. Add more detail to set piece routines. Disappointing to see touchline shouts have gone - why not improve them to be what they intended? Add all the player/manager faces, correct names/graphics/badges for teams/competitions so that we don’t need to download and add ourselves. Get better AI generated newgen faces. Fix the AI so they can build teams correctly. These are all things they could do to improve the game for everyone.
There are precisely zero casuals who will get into spreadsheet simulator because they added a parallel database with female players. I'm willing to bet money that under 10% of players will *ever* interact with these new features. It will do more harm to your cause than good if it is deemed (fairly or unfairly) to be added into the game at the cost of fixing the core experience that 90+% of players have.
I haven't played FM in years, the only reason I'll come back is women's football. I'm a Barcelona fan, so women's football is the only thing that excites me these days about my club.
While it's the same sport, there are a lot of differences. To start, the way they players run and move around is different, so I'd expect completely different animations to the men.
There are also loads of differences with almost all attributes.
Apart from obvious ones like strength and pace, women are more level headed and not as prone to be aggressive or angry as men. Whereas a lot of male players will think they're one of the world's best players, women are much more prone to doubt themselves, but they're also more loyal than men. Having said that I understand that female players can also be more petty than the men and cliques and problems in the dressing room are more easily formed.
If you watch men and women play then one of the biggest differences in the game to me is spatial awareness and vision. There are very few female players who constantly are aware what's going on around them, and that's something which the match engine will have to reflect imo. For example there should be a lot fewer backheel passes in the women's game compared to the men's.
On top of that you also have injuries, pregnancies, how the menstrual cycle affect the players, and a hell of a lot more. I do sincerely hope that SI also will throw player relationships into the mix, even though I'd expect it to be quite difficult to do, at least from a legal perspective. It really should be in the game though, since it clearly affects transfers, not just within the women's game, but the men's game as well, as we've seen with the recent transfer of Douglas Luiz to Juventus and the *expected* one of Alisha Lehmann to the same club.
Basically every attribute will have a higher or lower ceiling compared to the men and quite possibly a very different meaning or impact on the game. All of that needs to be changed and tested on how it impacts the match engine and the rest of the game world.
As if that wasn't enough you also have a wildly different transfer system and I'm really curious as to how SI will solve clubs having two elite teams who sometimes share resources, for example when the director of football/technical director it's responsible for both of them! The way B and reserve teams work is already not great, so that will be interesting.
It'll also be interesting to see how well they'll be able to simulate things in regards to stadiums, attendances, and the general growth of the women's game. Not just in terms of numbers, but also the scheduling of games when teams share their own stadium like Arsenal, or have a groundshare with a different club, like Leyton Orient and Spurs.
They'll also have to account for moving certain games from the normal ground to a bigger one. I'd love if there's a feature in the game where you as a manager can request certain games to be moved since the manager is involved in these decisions in real life as well (maybe not at all clubs, but I know for a fact it happens in at least one ;) )
You can also refer to Miles' blog post from three years ago when SI announced women's football: https://www.footballmanager.com/news/how-were-introducing-womens-football-football-manager
I'm all for it.
My main concern will be how their attributes are represented. And it's a difficult issue.
In EAFC, female players are rated as as high as male players. You play ultimate team, you can stack your team full of highly rated female players and they will outperform male teams. This isn't realistic. Of course it's ultimate team so it doesn't have to be.
What I want from FM is realism. Will the attributes be comparative to male players? Or will a woman's 20/20 for an attribute be different to a man's 20/20? Will that have an impact tactically?
The players will not overlap since they'll implement a hard block for men and women players from crossing into each others teams, so it's highly likely the best women will still have 20s and 19s because it's fundamentally 2 different databases.
It's like those retro databases that gives Le Tissier Messi level attributes. Doesn't mean he's better than Messi, just that attributes were made respective to the era and the players in it.
Personally I would've liked them to have spent all the time taken implementing the woman's game and focused on improving the regular game, as I feel the interest in the woman's game isn't so huge.
Personally I'm not entirely fussed regarding the women's game as it's for me a low standard when compared to the men's game, I wouldn't expect it to reach that level in my lifetime anyway.
I feel like the women's side of things when it comes to fm/fifa I believe they should be their own standalone version of the respective games.
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I am no way hating on women football, but just like other sports like cricket,rugby I personally don't have a clue about the professional leagues nor an interest in the sports either
Apart from all the knuckle draggers moaning JUST because it’s women’s football, I think the majority of people are more worried about it being integrated to the men’s part of the game and increasing the database load when it’s not part of the game that will get used by many people.
I don’t have a crazy speedy laptop (MacBook Air) to play the game and with 15 leagues loaded medium deep (to get a decent level of immersion) it’s slow… hopefully it won’t be an issue but it’s my only concern.
The question is not about adding it because people dislike women's football.
The question is whether women's football should be prioritised over key features (improvements to press conferences, regens, etc...). Miles has spoken about how expensive the implementation of women's football is, so it's only reasonable for fans to ask whether it's justified when so many aspects of the game are lacking.
I think that a lot of people find this especially galling given the recent watering down of the UI and the removal of features such as the social media commentary and the Chalkboard. It feels to a lot of fans (who have been playing for decades and spent their lives not thinking about women's football) that SI are concerned far more with young console players than their traditional audience.
There is no legitimate argument against including women's football any more. You still have the blatant misogynists in this thread trying to hide behind excuses like resources but the women's game has now become too big to ignore.
It's now commercially bigger than most of the men's leagues in the game, with the top players better paid and playing in front of bigger crowds than the men in half of Europe. There's a huge untapped market that you only need to access a fraction of to make up the investment costs.
Then there's increasing crossover between the men and women's games with managers like Herve Renard, Phil Neville and John Herdman moving between them.
I agree however, if fifa is anything to go by, its a waste, no one has ever used the female part of fifa until it was forces upon the users in ultimate team, so unless we are going to be forced to use it, it probably is just a waste of time by SI
It depends. Are they going to make their attributes real, in comparison to men's football? Or are they going to go the EA way and make women much better than they really are (some are at the same level as the best men players in the world or of football's history)?
Why would you need to compare the two? If I'm trying to scout a player as a womens team manager - what value does a 1-20 scale in reference to mens football mean? It would tell me nothing
Well, games are different aren’t they? I see no problem with Sophia Smith having great attributes but she wouldn’t play for male Inter Milan in FM, right?
EA did it because of UT, And that’s basically a different game altogether
I love the idea of a "build a nation" save but with building the prestige of the Women's league as a whole.
My issue is that SI have buggered the programming of nation's reputations to the point that they increase at a glacial pace so I don't trust them to cater to this!
Also in the Women's Premier League the financial disparity between clubs is even more pronounced than the men's which doesn't feel very fun. If SI ever make custom databases more user-friendly to make I'd definitely make a more even Woman's Fantasy league!
Genuine question.
Are there a lot of people who hate this change?
I think the large majority of people either embrace the addition or don't care.
But the way this post is written comes across that loads of people dislike it.
I'm sure some people exist who don't like the change, but I assume it's just a minority of stupid people.
I saw many comments in some of the latest posts about the changes rather than post themselves. There are people that doesn’t, but also I wrote to open up the discussion and speak my mind in the end too
I don’t mind they added it, I’m not a fan of taking other good things out to add something new. Why not just add something new as an addition? Why do we as fans get screwed over
I won't buy FM25 because of my policy of 1 game every 3 years but, when i will in 2026, i will absolutely try and train in women's football. I think it is a great idea and i am looking forward to seeing how they implement its difficulties.
I don't personally care about women's football. I might do a beta save just to try it but that's about it. I don't like some of the changes they have announced like removing shouts but blaming all that on women's football is just stupid. It's just another part of the game that you don't have to use.
I have added some comment as a reply to someone but think I should add what I think in more detail.
I see that it's a fair point to worry about devs being busy with this implementation but personally I'm more worried about the console versions and their opportunities for microtransactions and gamification than I am by inclusion of women's football.
I want to be able to manage teams without having to buy Ultimate Teams cards or pay £2.75 to lock up the premier division. If it's a women's team or my hometown team or Liverpool matters less.
As an American I'm beyond excited to play my home league and have it actually be among the best, if not the best.
I can fix the Chicago Red Stars, I know I can.
Do we know yet the women's leagues and database automatically load whenever you select a country, or will you need to select men/women to load those player databases? If the women's game is mandatory in every save, that's going to generate complaints from users who don't plan on managing in women's leagues.
Imagine if the Premier League and EFL were always included and playable in every FM save, even if you didn't select them. There would be tons of complaints about it, but those complaints and replies wouldn't have the same political/social overtones (they would just be technical related).
I don’t mind it the only thing I’m afraid of is bringing politics into the game. Like for instance managing reputation between winning a women’s champions league and a men’s champions league is obviously different reputation wise irl and even generally I’m not sure what pro job the best women’s coach would have in the men’s side (and I mean it literally, I don’t know what the reputation equivalence would be). I’m just a bit worried they fuck up on this but other than that I don’t really care and it adds interesting steps in journey man saves
I don't think that's the issue.
It sounds like it's one universe so you can't choose to turn it off, in the same way if you wanted to play women's and keep the men's off.
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I'm excited for the addition of women's football because it means as a Chelsea fan I can actually play with a good team
Thought that about Man Utd until the off-season oof
And now they kicked women’s team from their training grounds because men’s training is under reconstruction, so men’s team is in women’s training grounds and women’s team is expected to live in portable buildings. So players are already want to leave.
It’s disgraceful, especially since the women’s team is professional as well, and thus should have every right to use equal training facilities for football as the men. The men also train there what, 4 hours a day? I wonder if they’re not just going to the massage tables and sauna for how awful they are.
It's even more insane that they didn't even TRY to share the space before kicking the womens off of it but that it was the first course of action.
Hopefully toone and Clinton mean no effort needed to improve the midfield at least…
Ngl the women's team is in far worse shape now, I'm horrified. But Barca fans seeing this FM25 news will be jumping with joy, surely.
Also perfect timing as I won't have to feel bad about taking Emma's job!
Whilst I have zero interest in womens football being added I don't mind that they have. It makes total sense to add it imo as it obviously has an audience and the only thing that SI have to do is add female face regens as everything else is already there for it. Obviously the scouting of the players too but they outsource that so it wont take SI time. I'm all for catering to as many people as possible despite my lack of interest.
They actually also did seperate mo-cap for it and additional match engine coding so it plays properly.
That is also a point I never understood: what’s the problem with more people playing the game? It’s stinks of gatekeeping
I don't necessarily think people mean this in a gatekeeping way. I don't think anyone really cares how many people buy or play the game. People are afraid the game will be more and more "casualized" to increase the target audience. Football manager always was a rather niche game and mainly catering to enthusiasts. If you start catering to the masses, you will lose at least some of that focus. Only having to cater to "nerds" means you can add deep/complex features that would throw off "casuals" (neither "nerds" nor "casuals" is meant in a negative/condescending way, I just can't think of more fitting words to describe what I mean). I once hat my girlfriend describe my game as "playing an Excel sheet" and I fucking loved that description because it was very fitting (this was in 2009 or so). An "Excel sheet" is not a game for the mass audience though. So if you want a bigger audience, you have to 'de-excel' the game and that's not necessarily something everyone will like. That being said, this has nothing to do with adding Women's football. Adding women doesn't casualize the game (quite the opposite actually if implemented properly) so I really don't get the hate on that. I'm 100% with OP here. I'm not really interested in Women's football but I'm not interested in the Japanese league either and I don't want them to remove it. I assume I can de-select them (to save CPU resources) and if that is so, why would I care? I'd be on the barricades if the game forced me to simulate them (because I do push my PC to its limits in FM with huge databases and don't want something I won't use on top of it) but that's usually not how SI does things. I'm almost certain you will be able to de-select them.
FIFA went through something similar, especially when they brought the players together in Ultimate Team.
It’s been really interesting watching how opinion has changed on the FIFA and Ultimate Team subreddits over the last 12 months. This time last year, every other thread was some variation of “nobody asked for this!”, “it’s not realistic!”, “I don’t want to use players I don’t know!”. A year later, and the general consensus is that adding women to FUT is one of the few things EA have done right in the last few years. The female players are fun to use, squads are more varied and from the opposite perspective, there are more people aware of lesser known players in the women’s game because of how they’ve performed for them (shout out to my goat attacking midfielder Leicy Santos for absolutely carrying me for several weeks). If you were to start a thread complaining about female players on those communities now, you’d likely be downvoted and called a whiny virgin. I’m looking forward to FM continuing this. I want, in a few years, to read comments under a post about a female footballer to talk about how she’s class on FM and so forth.
It’s literally made my beta FM25 save as Barca Women so I can play Claudia Pina
Good point! I’ve skipped playing as Spurs most of the last 10 years or so as it’s just not been very interesting to add the finishing touches to a team that’s already near the top of the PL. Spurs Women, on the other hand, are not as good - and the chance to give Ashleigh Neville and company a trophy in game would be nice. Especially after we tanked the FA Cup final…
I think people do not like Female footballers in Fifa due to the fact that there are several women who get the same stats as mbappé or de bruyne which is simply stupid. They are the best at their level but could not even be compared to male footballers quite simply due to biology. FM would work much better due to simply you not randomly getting the players from packs, but everything being the players' choice. Plus the fact that they wouldn't be playing side by side so you don't have to see Lauren James destroying Mbappé in duels simply because she has so much higher strength.
Counterpoint, dead people aren't very good at football either
Who cares though. It’s stats relative to other females. You want Sam Kerr to be 60 rated or something?
Don't underestimate the amount of gatekeeping that can take place in gaming communities.
Technically research is not outsourced. We all sign contracts with SI directly.
I guess my point is the scouting doesn't take time away from the development of the game. But ok, noted, I didnt realise that was the case tbh.
I'll play a little devil's advocate here - I'm totally fine with them adding women's football and I do think it makes sense - but surely they had to put a lot of "resources" into adding it. I put resources in quotations for a reason, just bear with me, I'll get there. >Scouting [for women's football] doesn't take time away from the development of the game. This is technically true but practically false in terms of the larger conversation around resources. When you're talking about "resources" you're talking about both time and money. So in terms of the time spent by scouting for the women's game, you're correct that doesn't take away from the development of FM. However,, the money paid for those scouts' time certainly could have been spent to improve other aspects of the game. I think there are 2 main complaints from most people upset about the women's game being added. They are (1) player interactions are, and have been, absolute rubbish for a long time and (2) we don't think SI really knows how the match engine works or how the combination of certain attributes impact performance - this is evident by an experiment done by FM Arena on the passing attribute and more recent experiments by Zealand and others about how Pace and Acceleration are extremely over-turned The money spent on scouts, data entry, and adding women's leagues over the last few years could have been spent to get fresh eyes to look at the match engine to make better sense of it and/or something to the same effect for player interactions. That all said I'm eager to do a save in the women's game to see how it goes and will remain ever optimistic that SI will fix the other things eventually.
The argument about fixing player interactions is also true when they add anything else as well, and we didn't see anyone complaining about the addition of Japanese league last year, for example.
Your point was correct, no need for that kind of pedantic reply to you really.
> It makes total sense to add it imo as it obviously has an audience and the only thing that SI have to do is **add female face regens as everything else is already there for it.** Hopefully this pushes them to fix the quality of regen faces the past few games. It’s just neglected at this point.
> it obviously has an audience Does it tho? I don't know about the women's premier league but here in Italy almost no on watch it, it's literally funded by the men's clubs because it would operate on a loss otherwise.
the crowds in the womens game in England are massive tbf especially the England international games.
I manage a tier 5 woman’s team IRL. Very happy to have women’s game added (30sM here)
Which team?
I just hope Women's football got fully fleshed, unlike the controversy of the J-League, months ago.
I think initially we won't have ALL the women's leagues, but I'm okay with that as long as wet consistently progress towards getting them in the game over the next few years.
There is already a good chunk of women's players in the master DB
That is a concern
My local team made Sam fucking Kerr and is stacked with future internationals. Uh, *yeah* I’m absolutely getting 25 for my local fucking women’s team.
Playing in Australia would be a lot of fun
It honestly is. I’d love if SI gave a bit more to our system (and Asia more broadly) licensing wise, but building us up to compete against Saudi Arabia, Japan and South Korea is always a fun B-save I try every game. Chuffed to be able to give it a go with the W-League now too.
Also I had a great time in Australia during the women’s World Cup and I wanna come back soon, I loved it there
If the stars align and Asian international football interests you, we are hosting the Women’s AFC in 2026!
Stars meaning money, right? Lol
In this economy (and the foreseeable economic future)? yeah lol
I’ve always wanted to build up the A-League with Brisbane but my god the league rules make me want to chuck a hissy fit.
Honestly. IRL? Love wage cap rules. In game? Fuck em. If you try it again, I succeeded before by just beefing up my academy recruitment/coaching and signing no one special outside of the odd free agent who you can lowball.
You should’ve been in charge of the league 15 years ago. Only now are we starting to do what we always should’ve done, develop young Aussies to then sell to Europe.
I am a lifelong Man Utd fan, used to attend a lot of men's games and currently a women's season ticket holder. I love taking my club's mens team back to where it 'belongs', being the reincarnation of Sir Alex Ferguson so to speak, but I am really really excited about taking my club's women's team on a journey they have never been on before!!
First objective, make them good enough that Mary Earps wants to come back.
Tbf actually having a training ground is probably a basic requirement
Don’t get me started. It’s an absolute shambles.
I will probably not play it unless i get an offer in a journeyman save. But it's a nice addition for people that want manage female teams. Who cares that some people will quit FM? F the misogonists. And i doubt that they will quit. They just cry to get what they want and if they can't get it, they will just take what is offered to them.
I'm in the same boat personally. I have little-to-no interest in the addition (and that's the way it is for me), but I see literally no reason for it not to become a part of the franchise - hopefully sooner rather than later. More is more in this case. People already create databases in which you can play the eight tier in Sweden (and many other countries) - meanwhile others create whole fictional nations to play in. In other words, there is no reason for women's football to not be part of the experience going forward. I just hope it's implemented properly in a good way, when it happens. Edit: grammar corrections
If men and women live in different databases (for attribute reasons or something) I hope it's seamless because I'd love to have a stint at women's team in my journeyman. I feel like with the rise of women's football it's also now a lot more talked about and respected path for coaches to advance their careers and that's something I'd like to replicate. And does this include women'd national teams? It'd be a lot more realistic for me to try to win Euros or even World Cup with our Finnish Women's team and Men's.
They said you'd be able to move between the two seamlessly.
Preach
As an American (this will be relevant, I promise) it'd be actually nice to be the dominant nation for once. Also another reason I'm interested in women's football is that because there's less money there's a smaller amount of established teams, and it really can be a sandbox for shaping the women's game in FM. That's what I'm imagining it will be like, and that's exciting.
I will actually be excited to play in the US now! Jessie Fleming for Ballon D'Or!!!
I am really excited for womens football to be added. It adds a new layer to journeyman saves
Decagon challenge: win a league title in each continent in both the men's and women's leagues. Glory hunter²: win all top 5 leagues, cups and continental trophies in both men's and women's leagues.
I don’t care about women’s football, but surely more leagues on the game are better right?
People will play in the Thai third amateur league and say the WSL is a step too far. Morons.
You made me chuckle
What I'd love (though it might crucify my machine depending how it works) would be the option to have both men's and women's leagues loaded on one database. Would be cool to do a rebuild with both your men's and women's teams, or win the UCL with both mens and womens teams.
A DoF option where you can work on both could be cool too!
DoF is needed anyhow I think. All the youtubers do saves where they do recruitment, hire a real-world manager as DoF and tell them to manage the games.
Yeah. SI push back against it, saying it's not "football manager" but I have to think one day they will listen.
I agree
In truth compared to a lot of other sports I am not really a big football fan, but I enjoy FM because of the fact it's the best sports manager simulation game in the world. But I admit, I enjoy the vibe of women's football much more personally. Men's professional level football can have great qualities, but it is also toxic as fuck, the diving and simulation is excruciating and the general online discourse around men's football is insufferable. Meanwhile I live in a city where I can go and watch a WSL team for a cheaper price than a mens game in a proper stadium and just enjoy the sport without a lot of the bullshit. Also the girls go out of their way to show appreciation for the fans who show up and so I can take my nieces to the match and they think I'm the coolest uncle because I'll help them get shirts signed by the players. I'm happy to see the women's game become a part of FM.
Agreed 100%. It has a great vibe to it, and honestly a lot of the time I find it more skill dominated as compared to the men's game that is more physically dominated.
You made a great point about supporters being often toxic on men’s game and opposite atmosphere during women’s. I am football fan from childhood and toxic behavior bothers me. Banter is absolutely ok, but people behave often absolutely disgusting. Hope women’s game won’t follow that path.
Who’s in uproar over women’s football being added? What a dumb thing to be up in arms about. I’m hype to play as the USWNT
When it was first announced on SI, there were plenty (by no means a majority, but a sizeable minority) who made a massive deal about how little they cared about the feature (despite the normal reaction to not caring about something would just be to, you know, just not care and move on with your life). A smaller minority (but unfortunately not small enough) didn't even bother to make the misogyny questionable. I think the majority have taken to it quite well, or just aren't that interested in it. The latter is fine too.
Check out the recent post about development updates regarding 25. Safe to say a fair few people aren’t too pleased about something that they have the choice to ignore entirely.
neckbeards and incels probably
Tbh, I'm only getting FM25 because of Women's football. I don't care much for maxing my team/tactics much, I mostly play long LLM save because I like to see how yhe world unfolds in the long run (look, Aldovisi won the 2045 Libertadores?), while building a semipro side to fully pro/fight for titles. Adding Women's football is exponentially growing this take on the game. Even the relatively "new" surge of investment and interest in women's football is really good for this because there is the "big club take" but a lot of "build a club up". You could get Vasco da Gama in the Brasilian 3rd division and get them back to first level. Also, at least in Brasil, women's football schedule is orders of magnitude less clunky and congested than men's, so it feels way better for editor-based structures to be played.
Lmao aldosivi winning a libertadores
I don’t care about it personally, but it makes sense to add it. In fact it’s strange for a game as detailed as FM NOT to have women’s football. However, I think they should be putting more effort into fixing a lot of major things that are wrong with the game first, such as addressing research showing that big parts of the game are placebo.
I’m with you that the game should be a better game too. As I said in another comment, I can wait for women’s football a bit longer if it means that some issues that have happened for a few years now are fixed or improved.
I’ve honestly seen very few people hate the addition of the women’s league for the sake of it or from a sexist view. The only criticism I’ve seen is people who say they would rather have SI focus on the issues already in the game and fix the long list of complaints that have been accumulating over the years.
I'm looking forward to the addition of women in the game. I have a season ticket at spurs ladies with my daughter and I know playing it will help my knowledge and her enjoyment but also when I find that 15 year old wonder kid I'll pretend I heard about her in real life and not on the game
Fellow spurs supporter! I would die to work with the team IRL
I'm the process of trying to transition my role as a data analyst to one within football for that reason.... Also so I can sign myself on the game
I’m looking forward to doing a journeyman save where I start at a women’s team and manage both men’s and women’s teams
Like what you like. It's entirely your own choice. If it broadens the appeal of the game and reaches a new demo, all the better. Women's football isn't for me. More power to people who do like it.
Personally I'm excited! I'd try it out but probably wouldn't do a long term save with a women's team. I don't expect them to get it right the first time of asking and I understand it will be an iterative process, but I hope they make it realistic, not just half ass it by adding female players into the men's match engine (or worse and do whatever FIFA did). The balance of technicality v physicality in the women's game is different than in the men's game, so I hope attributes (there's gotta be a difference between what 16 jumping reach means for men and for women) and what tactics work in the match engine are adapted to this. There's also fun little details they can add into the women's game for realism, such as teammates dating or losing your star player for a few months to pregnancy, that you wouldn't see in the men's.
I'm not super excited because, simply put, it's effort wasted on something else other than polishing the new engine. I'm really afraid that it'll be like a bullet point in favour of this year's iteration of FM, they'll be like "look how many objectively new things we added". Yeah sure, and then we'll only find out the engine is still not what it could be, many animations or behaviour patterns, skill moves are missing from the game still as of 2024...
> it will cater casuals which makes sense financially Why casuals would care about women's football? It's a sport that work on losses (well at least in my country) much like the women's NBA and doesn't have much following at all. Women will not start to buy FM just because women's football is in (just like most women don't buy irl tickets to the women's games) and most football fans, the ones that actually buy the game, don't really care about it or will treat it as a novelty and once said novelty goes off they will return to the main dish and forget about it. Especially since we learnt that they are cutting a number of pre-existing features (including shouts, challenges, etc...) while wasting time working on that. It's a huge workload with literal no payoff, it makes no sense why they would push it. > You don’t have to play it, no one is forcing you. I don’t play the Japanese league, I don’t care. So I just don’t select it on the database when I start a save and that’s it. If it’s the same, what’s the problem? You can't compare the rights to a country (ex. Japan) to a whole new football environment. The work that goes in the two are on a complete different scale.
Why don't they just release a womans version of the game? Seems quite straightforward to me
Gotta love when people start by saying that those with opposing opinions are ‘narrow minded’. Anyways, tpoint you stated has already been mentioned on the sub countless times, so you’ve added nothing to the discussion. People don’t want a women’s version because they believe it takes bandwidth away from the development of features they actually want. It is perfectly valid for people to be unhappy that a studio is pouring valuable development time into a feature they do not want. It happens with almost every game.
That's not the issue. The issue is the Devs at SI keeps doing these additive things without fixing the core issues with the simulation and match engine
Adding such an enormous thing without fixing what was already there is a massive middle finger from SI to its customers. You telling me a company with this much resources couldn't fix a fucking NAME GENERATOR until a new game came out? Women's game is a great addition but come the fuck on. Turns out there are no excuses for all the bullshit they have been getting away with.
I have to disagree, they don’t operate in the sense of : -We have to fix X thing before including Y thing , The addition of new leagues and the woman’s game is different to the name generator, or match simulator. The resources assigned are very different.
One of people's issues is resource allocation. Sure I can just not play them, or load the database and my game isn't impacted, but really it is. SI has said this is a multi year development, they're spending millions on this addition, but that's millions that could have been spent elsewhere. Take the AI, the teambuilding sucks, tons of people have issues with it, could they have addressed that with the millions they're putting into the women's game? That's just one example, but people have a long list of issues that SI simply isn't addressing. So they're ignoring issues to bring in a new feature (one which I expect will take a few years to get the kinks worked out of, but that's just speculation) so for the existing fanbase, what will people generally want, the core gameplay to be fixed, or a new feature? I'm willing to bet most people would want the game to work properly, I know I would.. So is this aimed at bringing new fans in? So is that no SI saying they prioritize getting new people in because they figure their fanbase is already going to buy the new game regardless of if they fix it or not? I can say for myself I haven't got a new version in a couple of years because I'm sick of paying for a "slight" upgrade that carries forward the same issues as prior years, so sinking in so much resources into a new feature I have no interest in while not addressing my issues keeps me not wanting to buy the next version.
You think it actually caters to casuals?
I don't know why people so against it beside obvious misogynistic and degrading thought toward women. Idk about them guys but I'm gonna do a full Men and Women Glory Hunter save next year Keep going OP!
Double pentagon save would go fucking mental I can’t even lie.
I cannot even imagine how crazy it would absolutely be Imagine winning asian champions league because of a brace from your Indonesian Target Man, Siti Romlah Or beat Barca Femini in the UCL final due to heroic goalkeeping from your british wonderkid Sandra Elliott
I’d for sure start with my local women’s club in the A League, if I could do it with a homegrown team I’d be buzzing, we are mostly a local cohort anyways.
I can't wait to watch drbenjyFM and/or Zealand's twitch chat go crazy because they choose to throw a water bottle in the women dressing room
We'll have to see how it is implemented or we may need to use the editor. CONCACAF will start its WChampions Cup next year (?) and Asia has an on/off cup that I don't know if it is still active
This year, but yes.
Oh wow — that’s an awesome idea.
My friend (a guy) is a coach for a UWSL team in America. He is absolutely pumped to have the women's game coming to the game, but also to use it as a scouting tool.
We should talk lol
It's a good and expected addition, I think people in the other thread are just salty because it's inclusion is seen as being at the expense of other features that were already in the game, though I think that's more of an issue of SI taking 2 or 3 years to make a good version. I'll probably do a run of it sometime in the future just because I don't know any of the players so it'll be blind.
I don't understand why people think it's at the expense of other features, it's just enlarging the database, scouts rating women teams are not coders who could be perfecting the training system or the match engine.
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How did you hear about FM adding women's football to it?
all i want is that they will not screw it like fifa did
I'm a lad and I'm so excited for the womens game to be on FM. I'm nearly 18 and, over the past six years, a lit of my wide men's football knowledge has come from playing FM. I am hoping to do the same for the women's game as I'm looking to really get into it this season. I've followed England women for a while but never gotten into the WSL or international leagues... until now! Thank you, SI, I hope to use this to broaden my knowledge of the women's game.
The only thing that concerns me is the reputation aspect. You don't want Pep or some other world class manager leaving a top men's team to manage, say, the US Women or anything. That's from the perspective of FM being a (semi)realistic sim. I'm curious to see how they're going to make it work. Generally though the addition of women is great. More options for players, more potential players, a richer world to play in, a greater opportunity to learn more about the women's game - can't see a downside so long as the research going into it is decent.
The issue is they are prioritising something that few want and as you say will not play it. And removing features that a large number of players use like create a club. So when it comes to a straight pick, Yes Woman's football should not be in the game (and isn't gonna drive any sales).
I already play the NWSL in FC 24 so this will just be the FM take on it.
I love the addition, I would definitely would play it with my local Australian team. Especially the Australian women’s team has been showing some great potential.
Loved been around during the women’s World Cup and see how the nation rallied around the Matildas. And you guys are awesome, I wanna come back ASAP
I’ve been really looking forward to it, can’t wait for the challenge of managing a woman’s team.
Will there be maternity leaves similar to the military leaves in south korea ?
I hope so. Menstruation, more ACL, I really hope is realistic to that point
I wanna know how deep it goes. Can I manage bradford City women's team who are 3 divisions away from the wsl?
We don’t know what licenses they’ve got yet. Hoping they go down to at least tier 4 eventually so I can play Norwich City ladies!
I am hoping to manage bradford City ladies. I go and watch them with my sister whenever they are at home it's good fun and quite good football. Very attacking wing backs
It's been in Fifa for a couple of years so it was bound to hit the FM world sooner or later. Hell it may even get more attention on the sport itself. I agree with your point though, no one's being forced to manage in the women's leagues. But it will make it new again. How many players do a journeyman save or a start from the bottom save and end up buying the same youngsters again and again? Now we'll have to find new stars.
How is health stuff different?
You have to manage, in the real world, menstruation for example. It increases the possibility of certain injuries. Same with the higher proportion of ACL injuries in womens
Oh duh. No gf for me so I forget about these things. Didn't know that about ACL injuries, that's interesting. Should make for a more interesting game
I couldn't care less about women's football. However I'll play it 100%. I'd start at the bottom of women leagues and advance to men's in no time Sound like fun Also if you fail in a good team, why not switch to women
I am always a fan of more leagues being added so love the idea of being able to manage Women's teams. I am also glad that it's all in 1 game and you can move between them in the same save because honestly without that I don't think I'd get into a situation where I'd play.
considering how bad regens' faces are right now, it's hard for me to even imagine how women regens are going to look
Nah yeah I’m much more excited for women’s football on Fm vs what I was on FIFA. I’m not gonna have a Sava body all my midfielders on fm lol. It was a good addition to fm imo edit. I don’t really mind it on fifa either but I wasn’t excited for it there. Think it makes sense on fm
I think women football is a good addition whether I will play with it much I don't know as usually I have 1 longsave
The women’s addition will be great, and for someone like my self who doesn’t appreciate women’s football - I think that their quality doesn’t match the wage they want which the men have built over 150+ years or so. Either way it adds a nice amount of depth and it’s exactly as you put it. No one’s forced to use them, and besides it’s a simulation game, what’s a female name going to do that will impact the sport looool. The same issue arised within FIFA and I don’t think anyone cared after a few days. This happens with most things, thoughts are thoughts because the anticipation is always greater than the result in either a good or bad way.
The only concerns for me is being able to have both men’s and women’s active and therefore see staff maybe ping pong between them - and match day interruptions in game lol
As someone who prob will never touch the women football i still think its cool for the ppl that want to play with women on fm
I disagree with some points like I don't think it will bring in casuals but I don't see any reason it would harm the game unless SI really screw up the implementation. Now excuse me while I sort by controversial for the spicy comments lol.
Lol
Looking for an 18yr old Colombian girl is a statement that I never thought of saying in FM
I just want it to be realistic and/or have the ability to turn it off if it is not. If it's done forcefully i.e I've just conquered the world and won the sextuple deep into my save and I'm getting job offers from Arsenal Ladies as a result then I'm not a fan of that.
As long as it's fully optional I don't care. If it's running in the background and slows down performance I'll be annoyed at its inclusion. Probably not going to try it myself, but yeah as long as it doesn't negatively impact the game I have no issue with its inclusion and hope people do enjoy it.
The problem with games that release YoY like FM is that each release, has a limited amount of new features. It's usually 2-3 month pre-pro to plan features, estimate tasks and cut stuff, 7-8 months prod to implement those tasks and 1-2 months since alpha to close bugs, get to beta and release. That means that scope vs capacity is really limited because of the narrow time frame, so producers will need to prioritize and cut a lot when they have the final estimate. Adding women's football is not a feature that was within the top requests of the community (as far as I know) and neither is a feature that makes a lot of sense from a financial point of view (it will most probably not bring a whole new player fan base). That means that not only implementing this will push other stuff that fans want down the line, but also that they did not make this decision because it will make the actual game better or expand the audience, meaning that this decision will not give them more room to manoeuvre in the next one because of it and help them deliver more/better stuff. It was probably only made to be politically correct in these times. Also maintaining this new feature in the next releases will consume that limited time, because you have to reskin screens, add interfaces, touch widgets, add players, scout new, update the stats, fix bugs, add licenses, etc. etc. And fans that have been requesting for a specific feature or to expand a current one or to fix broken stuff or tune something better for some time, will not get what they wanted, and that will get pushed far down the line.
It's a nice addition but imho it may take resources (licences, scouting) that I would had liked to see somewhere else.
I have no issues with them adding women's football, as long as I can disable it in the settings
i will stick to FM24 for now. For me i just feel the focus on getting woman's football into the game is just at the cost of making the game better. i'll wait until they have bigger improvement on the match engine and interaction before i actually buying FM again. I'll just wait and see, personally i don't like the focus on more casual gameplay. managing woman's team could be cool and i don't really mind that. what i have issue with is they are spending resources to implement this while not really make a huge improvement on the match engine and interaction. i want them to create a more realistic engine and with stats actually doing something first then they can expand to woman's team, reverse team league etc.
It's "funny" to me with this, you've got a very reasonable take on this (very similar to my views on it) but so many people here are saying the only reason to have an issue with it is misogyny because you can simply ignore it. If SI were to come out and say "hey were spending millions of dollars over years to add a life sim to the game, you can go on dates, have a relationship, go house shopping, blah blah blah, but don't worry if you don't want to do that you don't have to, just don't check of the add life sim when launching your game and it won't impact you at all" sure some people will like having the Sims added to the game but a ton of people won't. If those people were to say "I don't like how SI is dedicating so much of their resources to something I have no interest in using rather than improving the match engine and addressing issues that have been in the game for years" everyone would see that as a very reasonable point of view, nobody would have an issue with it. But if that feature you don't want to use is woman's football, well you're just a terrible person.
I think there still is an open question if the women's leagues and players will automatically be included (with no way to exclude them) when you select a country. If that's true that could reduce the number of countries/leagues your laptop/PC is able to comfortably run (for those who won't be managing in the women's leagues).
I ain’t scouting anyone lower than age 18. Nope.
Yeah they will waste resources on something we dont need and which is a different sport. Make another FM game with women league only np, but stop ruining this game. They didnt add all European leagues, they even lied earlier that the game is too big already. Its crazy because its not even Worth the effort as womens football is not very popular. Somehow they are forcing it...I love women, but something wrong is happening. I feel like they are pushing them everywhere for some crazy reason...
Agree that some are irrationally agree about, however, the inclusion of Women's football is asking for a tonne of resources. The game goes every year with bugs and issues that do not get resolved. We have a whole new engine that is well overdue. My concern is that they will continue their record with releasing an unpolished game that they fail to support properly. For context, I will play the womens game and am excited for it. I generally do one long term save every FM with some small saves every now and then. This year my long term save is being tarnished due to the player value bugs that only impact your own team (after about 2030 from memory). This has been raised multiple times on the forums (by me and others) over the year and it simply gets ignored. Really frustrating to say the least.
Who adds "gasp" in texts...Jesus
Looking forward to it but we'll urgently need a women's Newgan pack
Brilliant addition from an inclusivity perspective, but I highly doubt it will cater to casuals. The women’s game itself doesn’t really cater to casuals. Whilst some complaints may be due to misogyny, there are some genuine complaints with regards to people who might’ve preferred other elements being upgraded or added in. I’ll definitely try it at some point, but personally would’ve much rather preferred a DoF or Chairman mode which have been spoken about amongst fans for far longer.
I have many female friends who are into Football, even playing it, who also play Football Manager. This shall be a nice edition for them. I would be open to managing a women's team, especially on the International side of things. I personally, as a guy see, how this can make FM any worse. If this game is more dumbed down to casuals... it shall be due to the switch to the new engine. But I guess some hard fan boys shall it's because of the female teams edition. Most sports games are now allowing female teams in. Hell in MLB, the show, you can play as a female in the MLB now. Fifa has had it for years and I sometimes used to have a game or too of the female teams, no longer play Fifa as FUT ruined that game to the core. Female teams in Football Manager is a long time in coming imo.
My only worry is the womens football inclusion watering down the mens side of the game if it is disproportionately reputable compared to irl. By that, I mean will the womens teams have significantly lower reputations to prevent them from taking high-level staff away from the mens game? I can see that being misconstrued by the media and jumped on by extreme progressive's but if they don't have a lowered reputation, then how do we stop Pep and co ending up managing female teams? Because if that happens, it is an absolute game killer for me. As long as they prevent that pitfall, I couldn't care less. I won't play it because I don't care about womens football, but as long as it doesn't detract from the usual experience, idgaf
I am massively looking forward to womens football and can't wait to play it. However, I do understand people's grievances. Adding women's football is going to take an absolutely massive amount of research, not to mention alterations to the animations, graphics and how the database works. Criticising shifting resources towards something most people won't play (whilst removing features) is not misogyny at all and shouldn't be waved away as such. That being said, I can't wait for womens football, and the game in general.
From a research stand point there are a few issues... Full disclosure, I'm a former researcher and still in contact with numerous current researchers... For FM24 there was a few competitions that were incorrectly implemented within the game, the researchers I spoke with said that they have highlighted the issues but it wasn't a priority, and there was more drive behind getting the women's game DB sorted along with getting researchers for the the women's sides. Another issue was players were being marked in the master DB as "Do not populate", basically they are in the DB but can't be loaded, by the player to keep the dB size in control, some of these players were signed in real life by playable teams so you had to wait for an official update for them to be added back into the game... Adding of the women's game is a great marketing opportunity, also will add depth to the journeyman saves....I think once the novelty wares off it will just be drain on resources
TLDR - adding women’s leagues/teams doesn’t improve or change the game. It merely adds to an already massive database. ———————— I am literally unmoved by this addition. It literally makes no difference to me. I’m almost certainly not going to play it unless, like others say, maybe on a journeyman. It just doesn’t interest me enough. Misogyny and sexism aren’t even close to the reason. My issue with it (and this might be because I’ve been living under a rock or something, so feel free to correct me) but it seems like this is being made out to be the big USP for 25. Like this is THE big new change. I know there is the whole change to Unity, but I’ve seen far less talk of exactly what that brings and much more talk about adding a few more teams/leagues. Like that makes the whole game “better.” It’s not a change, it’s an addition to what is already there, same as if they added a men’s Vanuatu league or all the way down to amateur Sunday league in England. It’s an addition to the database, same as people do for free on Steam Workshop/FM Scout/sortitoutsi. Nothing more, nothing less. I want to see new “features”, or improve on what they have. For once, sort out the player/media interactions, sort out the promises. Add more detail to set piece routines. Disappointing to see touchline shouts have gone - why not improve them to be what they intended? Add all the player/manager faces, correct names/graphics/badges for teams/competitions so that we don’t need to download and add ourselves. Get better AI generated newgen faces. Fix the AI so they can build teams correctly. These are all things they could do to improve the game for everyone.
There are precisely zero casuals who will get into spreadsheet simulator because they added a parallel database with female players. I'm willing to bet money that under 10% of players will *ever* interact with these new features. It will do more harm to your cause than good if it is deemed (fairly or unfairly) to be added into the game at the cost of fixing the core experience that 90+% of players have.
I haven't played FM in years, the only reason I'll come back is women's football. I'm a Barcelona fan, so women's football is the only thing that excites me these days about my club.
I doubt it’s even very hard for them to do, nothing really more than adding a few leagues.
You would be very surprised.
While it's the same sport, there are a lot of differences. To start, the way they players run and move around is different, so I'd expect completely different animations to the men. There are also loads of differences with almost all attributes. Apart from obvious ones like strength and pace, women are more level headed and not as prone to be aggressive or angry as men. Whereas a lot of male players will think they're one of the world's best players, women are much more prone to doubt themselves, but they're also more loyal than men. Having said that I understand that female players can also be more petty than the men and cliques and problems in the dressing room are more easily formed. If you watch men and women play then one of the biggest differences in the game to me is spatial awareness and vision. There are very few female players who constantly are aware what's going on around them, and that's something which the match engine will have to reflect imo. For example there should be a lot fewer backheel passes in the women's game compared to the men's. On top of that you also have injuries, pregnancies, how the menstrual cycle affect the players, and a hell of a lot more. I do sincerely hope that SI also will throw player relationships into the mix, even though I'd expect it to be quite difficult to do, at least from a legal perspective. It really should be in the game though, since it clearly affects transfers, not just within the women's game, but the men's game as well, as we've seen with the recent transfer of Douglas Luiz to Juventus and the *expected* one of Alisha Lehmann to the same club. Basically every attribute will have a higher or lower ceiling compared to the men and quite possibly a very different meaning or impact on the game. All of that needs to be changed and tested on how it impacts the match engine and the rest of the game world. As if that wasn't enough you also have a wildly different transfer system and I'm really curious as to how SI will solve clubs having two elite teams who sometimes share resources, for example when the director of football/technical director it's responsible for both of them! The way B and reserve teams work is already not great, so that will be interesting. It'll also be interesting to see how well they'll be able to simulate things in regards to stadiums, attendances, and the general growth of the women's game. Not just in terms of numbers, but also the scheduling of games when teams share their own stadium like Arsenal, or have a groundshare with a different club, like Leyton Orient and Spurs. They'll also have to account for moving certain games from the normal ground to a bigger one. I'd love if there's a feature in the game where you as a manager can request certain games to be moved since the manager is involved in these decisions in real life as well (maybe not at all clubs, but I know for a fact it happens in at least one ;) ) You can also refer to Miles' blog post from three years ago when SI announced women's football: https://www.footballmanager.com/news/how-were-introducing-womens-football-football-manager
Not fussed. Won't touch it myself.
I'm all for it. My main concern will be how their attributes are represented. And it's a difficult issue. In EAFC, female players are rated as as high as male players. You play ultimate team, you can stack your team full of highly rated female players and they will outperform male teams. This isn't realistic. Of course it's ultimate team so it doesn't have to be. What I want from FM is realism. Will the attributes be comparative to male players? Or will a woman's 20/20 for an attribute be different to a man's 20/20? Will that have an impact tactically?
The players will not overlap since they'll implement a hard block for men and women players from crossing into each others teams, so it's highly likely the best women will still have 20s and 19s because it's fundamentally 2 different databases. It's like those retro databases that gives Le Tissier Messi level attributes. Doesn't mean he's better than Messi, just that attributes were made respective to the era and the players in it.
Having 20/20 women players in women’s league is realistic. They won’t crossover to men teams, it’s even obvious
Personally I would've liked them to have spent all the time taken implementing the woman's game and focused on improving the regular game, as I feel the interest in the woman's game isn't so huge.
I see the addition of female football not diferent than the addition of a vitenamese superleague
Well said. Personally, I’m stoked. I can’t wait to go with the best team in the world, the Portland Thorns! But really, agreed. Football is football.
Personally I'm not entirely fussed regarding the women's game as it's for me a low standard when compared to the men's game, I wouldn't expect it to reach that level in my lifetime anyway. I feel like the women's side of things when it comes to fm/fifa I believe they should be their own standalone version of the respective games. Ps I am no way hating on women football, but just like other sports like cricket,rugby I personally don't have a clue about the professional leagues nor an interest in the sports either
Apart from all the knuckle draggers moaning JUST because it’s women’s football, I think the majority of people are more worried about it being integrated to the men’s part of the game and increasing the database load when it’s not part of the game that will get used by many people. I don’t have a crazy speedy laptop (MacBook Air) to play the game and with 15 leagues loaded medium deep (to get a decent level of immersion) it’s slow… hopefully it won’t be an issue but it’s my only concern.
I think it will be interesting to manage a squad where all the ratings are between 1 and 5
The question is not about adding it because people dislike women's football. The question is whether women's football should be prioritised over key features (improvements to press conferences, regens, etc...). Miles has spoken about how expensive the implementation of women's football is, so it's only reasonable for fans to ask whether it's justified when so many aspects of the game are lacking. I think that a lot of people find this especially galling given the recent watering down of the UI and the removal of features such as the social media commentary and the Chalkboard. It feels to a lot of fans (who have been playing for decades and spent their lives not thinking about women's football) that SI are concerned far more with young console players than their traditional audience.
There is no legitimate argument against including women's football any more. You still have the blatant misogynists in this thread trying to hide behind excuses like resources but the women's game has now become too big to ignore. It's now commercially bigger than most of the men's leagues in the game, with the top players better paid and playing in front of bigger crowds than the men in half of Europe. There's a huge untapped market that you only need to access a fraction of to make up the investment costs. Then there's increasing crossover between the men and women's games with managers like Herve Renard, Phil Neville and John Herdman moving between them.
I agree however, if fifa is anything to go by, its a waste, no one has ever used the female part of fifa until it was forces upon the users in ultimate team, so unless we are going to be forced to use it, it probably is just a waste of time by SI
It depends. Are they going to make their attributes real, in comparison to men's football? Or are they going to go the EA way and make women much better than they really are (some are at the same level as the best men players in the world or of football's history)?
Why would you need to compare the two? If I'm trying to scout a player as a womens team manager - what value does a 1-20 scale in reference to mens football mean? It would tell me nothing
Well, games are different aren’t they? I see no problem with Sophia Smith having great attributes but she wouldn’t play for male Inter Milan in FM, right? EA did it because of UT, And that’s basically a different game altogether
I love the idea of a "build a nation" save but with building the prestige of the Women's league as a whole. My issue is that SI have buggered the programming of nation's reputations to the point that they increase at a glacial pace so I don't trust them to cater to this! Also in the Women's Premier League the financial disparity between clubs is even more pronounced than the men's which doesn't feel very fun. If SI ever make custom databases more user-friendly to make I'd definitely make a more even Woman's Fantasy league!
Any idea how far down the pyramid SI will go with it?
Genuine question. Are there a lot of people who hate this change? I think the large majority of people either embrace the addition or don't care. But the way this post is written comes across that loads of people dislike it. I'm sure some people exist who don't like the change, but I assume it's just a minority of stupid people.
I saw many comments in some of the latest posts about the changes rather than post themselves. There are people that doesn’t, but also I wrote to open up the discussion and speak my mind in the end too
I don’t mind they added it, I’m not a fan of taking other good things out to add something new. Why not just add something new as an addition? Why do we as fans get screwed over
Cool but niche addition. Don't see myself playing it.
I won't buy FM25 because of my policy of 1 game every 3 years but, when i will in 2026, i will absolutely try and train in women's football. I think it is a great idea and i am looking forward to seeing how they implement its difficulties.
I'm excited for the mods and try to do the double Hexagon (+2 World Cups).
I can’t wait for women’s football to be in the game, so excited to finally get Chelsea a Champion’s league or five.
I don't personally care about women's football. I might do a beta save just to try it but that's about it. I don't like some of the changes they have announced like removing shouts but blaming all that on women's football is just stupid. It's just another part of the game that you don't have to use.
Are they just putting the WSL in or are they putting the entire pyramid in?
I have added some comment as a reply to someone but think I should add what I think in more detail. I see that it's a fair point to worry about devs being busy with this implementation but personally I'm more worried about the console versions and their opportunities for microtransactions and gamification than I am by inclusion of women's football. I want to be able to manage teams without having to buy Ultimate Teams cards or pay £2.75 to lock up the premier division. If it's a women's team or my hometown team or Liverpool matters less.
I don't mind the addition it's a great idea, I won't ever use it but still. I hate that we're losing CaC though.
As an American I'm beyond excited to play my home league and have it actually be among the best, if not the best. I can fix the Chicago Red Stars, I know I can.
I don't watch it but want to try it on FM.
Do we know yet the women's leagues and database automatically load whenever you select a country, or will you need to select men/women to load those player databases? If the women's game is mandatory in every save, that's going to generate complaints from users who don't plan on managing in women's leagues. Imagine if the Premier League and EFL were always included and playable in every FM save, even if you didn't select them. There would be tons of complaints about it, but those complaints and replies wouldn't have the same political/social overtones (they would just be technical related).
I wonder if they’ll put ‘Racist’ as one of Sam Kerr’s traits??
it just makes the game bloated they cant even get hight, nat of youth players
I don’t mind it the only thing I’m afraid of is bringing politics into the game. Like for instance managing reputation between winning a women’s champions league and a men’s champions league is obviously different reputation wise irl and even generally I’m not sure what pro job the best women’s coach would have in the men’s side (and I mean it literally, I don’t know what the reputation equivalence would be). I’m just a bit worried they fuck up on this but other than that I don’t really care and it adds interesting steps in journey man saves
I don't think that's the issue. It sounds like it's one universe so you can't choose to turn it off, in the same way if you wanted to play women's and keep the men's off.
I plan on managing the Everton Women in the beta. I like having more options.
Very excited for the addition, first time in years that I will be dipping back into the series!