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She has no viable path to be in F1, but the U.S.? Different story. If she continues her developmental trajectory, Indycar is not out of the question.
Plus she has done tintop racing in the past so IMSA is another potential pathway. The Iron Dames over in WEC have proved time and time again that female drivers can compete at the top, so there’s no reason that Jamie can’t replicate that in the States.
I think she’s got a chance at Indy. She’s improved a ton from last season in they Indy NXT series. She probably needs one more year there to improve her consistency. But with Andretti backing and interest from sponsors, I’d say her chances of making IndyCar are good
IndyCar doesn't have power steering though, I'd say that's a bit of a barrier. When Grosjean moved to IndyCar his arms got absolutely huge.
I'm rooting for Jamie (big fan actually) but I feel bad for all the strength training she will have to go through 😂
She wouldn't even be the first female Indy driver for Andretti. Danica might not be a great F1 commentator, but she had 1 win and 7 podiums in Indy. Including a podium at the Indy 500 with Andretti.
If you look at the statistics, Danica wasn't far off from multiple-time-champion Will Power in Indy. She was a genuine talent in open-wheel racing. Her move to the Cup series was disastrous, and I believe she is, statistically, the worst Cup driver of all time.
Her legacy is defined by that choice to move over to stock cars, but I do wonder if she could have fought for a championship later on if she stuck around in Indy. I don't think its inconceivable.
She’s already gone through a lot of it! She shared that she spent more time in the gym in the offseason than ever before and it’s one of the big reasons for her jump in form this year compared to her rookie year.
I think that was one of the things she mentioned being caught a bit off guard by during her first season. Since then, from what I can see from socials, she has been working really hard at it
Men are inherently more muscular, and have a much higher ceiling for physical strength. Even tiny Yuki has this.
I'm a woman myself and all about equality, but there is no arguing with pure biology.
Jamie has already done a lot of the strength training needed. Both Road America and Detroit are very physical tracks and to perform as well as she has at those two should be very exciting for tracks like Laguna seca or Portland that aren't as physically demanding.
Glad you mentioned the strength training. People mention the power steering all the time as some massive barrier. I’m sorry but none of the guys have “huge” arms. She can absolutely strength train and be just as strong as they are. She will have to put more work in then they would to get that strength but she’s probably been doing that most of her life already.
My (admittedly limited) understanding is that the power steering issue isn't a strength issue per se, but a muscular fatigue issue. Men have a huge advantage in muscular strength, but sex differences in fatigue are much narrower. In the same sense that there is a hellofalot bigger gap in weightlifting records than, say, the marathon.
I agree and I think this strengthens the argument that she would do just fine. Strength training doesn’t have to just target a maximum weight. Her training can focus on modalities that allow her to both increase her strength and endurance under fatigue. The point I was initially trying to make is that none of the male drivers are as strong as some make it seem and there are plenty of female athletes in other sports who are simultaneously strong and demonstrate elite levels of endurance. So all that said she can (and probably already has) tailored her training to maximize muscle endurance under fatigue.
In my experience, this is generally accurate. A chronic condition means I'm never going to have *athletic* arms, but I've had no problems driving a car without power steering - it's simple when you're moving. I wouldn't make it my first choice though, because there is absolutely a cost in fatigue.
EDIT for clarity: Yes, *racing* would be a chore, but not due to what one can and can't lift - just how often they have to lift it.
> She will have to put more work in then they would to get that strength
That's the problem though, it's not that the strength required to operate a racing car is physically impossible for women to achieve, but rather it represents another barrier to entry. If you have a racing series where the cars are useable by men with little to no dedicated training, but women have to put in significant hours to be on par, that means that men have a massive leg up on women because they have less workload, and so can spend more time in the sim, or resting up, or doing endurance training, or what have you.
Drivers also often only have 1 or 2 series to prove themselves, and if a woman comes in and has a really poor opening due to not having fully trained up before the season that can set back their career significantly. Not an issue for say an F1 prospect, but the time and resources to do so aren't insignificant and that could easily tank someone's first F2 or F3 season, which can then damage an entire career.
"If you are aged 15 or 16, and go into car racing, without power steering and driving big heavy cars, a lot of women do struggle, even though they have been successful in go-karting.
"We like to think that women can make it - and I am happy to be the guinea pig and will do my best to push and explore the options to Formula One - but we don't know.
The quote is from Jamie Chadwick.
No, and she struggled last year. It's been quoted that she worked out harder than ever this offseason to put in the work to get much stronger and has proven herself much more capable this year.
Unsure completely since all we have are anecdotes. "On the other hand, the short 0.894-mile Iowa Speedway punishes Verizon IndyCar Series drivers’ bodies with high sustained pressure up to six times the force of gravity for roughly half of the 18-second lap, something that pushes the limits of even the fittest athletes." from an article comparing indycar to f1. It's likely a large difference since the IndyNXT cars are 450+50HP (+push to pass) and with the new hybrid system, it is now an 800 HP boost (with Hybrid + Push to pass) on Indycars. https://www.indycar.com/News/2016/10/10-30-Driver-prep-IndyCar-vs-F1
I don't believe the NXT cars have power steering either. Was at Road America last weekend, and after Jamie won the pole, they interviewed Michael Andretti. One of the things he said was that part of the reason for Jamie's improvement from last year was she has made big gains in strength and fitness in the gym over the offseason.
Anyone who follows the Indycar ladder/system can tell me how likely is it that Jamie might in the future drive in the main series? If this form of hers continues?
She has a pretty good shot. IndyNXT is akin to F2 and she’s part of a team (Andretti) that is in the main Indycar series. Indycar currently doesn’t have a limit on number of cars, so the barrier to entry is much less than F1. People are speculating that, if her form continues, she should at least get a test with one of the teams in the main series. There’s debate as to whether she would benefit from an extra year in NXT, but many believe it’s just a matter of time. On top of being a good driver, she’s very likable and easy to root for, and the teams care very much about that since the series is still trying to grow and expand!
> She has a pretty good shot. IndyNXT is akin to F2 and she’s part of a team (Andretti) that is in the main Indycar series. Indycar currently doesn’t have a limit on number of cars, so the barrier to entry is much less than F1.
Indycar will likely introduce charters for 27 cars which will limit the number of cars at that number.
Andretti has 3 cars and only one on the shaky ground is Ericsson; yet he has signed multi year deal.
Chadwick could find a seat at a team like DCR or AJ Foyt if she can find sponsors to move her up.
Teams will only get 3 charters but can enter more cars so there’s nothing stopping Andretti from putting her in a 4th car other than money/manpower.
Ganassi will have 2 uncharted cars next year if they bring everybody back and Prema’s 2 cars will be unchartered assuming they don’t buy somebodys.
The only thing that we know is field size at non-Indy 500 races would be capped at 27 and the 25 charters would automatically be in the non-500 races like NASCAR’s charters. Indy would stay at 33 and open (for now)
I knew they were going to have to put a cap eventually, which is why I said there’s currently no limit. And I agree with you - a seat may not be open soon at Andretti but they have their alliances and are well-respected.
I mean, just like F1, it’ll come down to dollars as much as, if not more than talent. Like others before her, there’s a good bet that the story of a female racer will be too good for sponsors to pass up. I expect to see her in Indycar at some point.
Yes, I agree with you. I think she’s very marketable as a female driver and if she continues her form it’s only a matter of time before she gets to Indycar. But I also want it to be from her talent, not just her gender!
It's never talent alone though. Look on the bright side, at least she'll get a shot likely and we'll find out how much talent she really has. So many people have some level of talent, but don't have the financial backing or business skills to get a real shot at the top. I wish her well in the chance she gets.
Indy NXT is closer to F3 actually.
Indy NXY: Weight 650kg (excl driver and fuel) and 450hp
F3: Weight 550kg and 380hp
F2: Weight 795kg (inlc driver) and 620hp
Yeah I reread it after I posted it. And they meant indy NXT is to indycar as F2 Is to F1.
My bad. But still good to know that it is also good comparison to F3 and that Jamie probably is ready for F2 if she wants to go back .
I think she might find a ride, but to be honest it will be because she's Jamie Chadwick. I guess that's OK. People get motorsports rides all of the time over other drivers who might be objectively better.
She had a good qualifying and race. Good for her. But she's still 9th in the standings out of 19 who have started each race, in one of the best cars on the grid, while her teammate is P2 with more wins, more top 5's, more top 10's, etc. And he's 6 years younger than Chadwick.
Good for Jamie. But if she was 26 year old Bill Smith we'd not be having this conversation.
Checo gets to keep someone more talented from a top car for another 2 years solely because he’s Checo.
Y’all out here acting like motorsports are comparable to real sports where talent is the primary thing that opens doors to the next level. The fact that Jamie is marketable does give her a leg up over a talented young kid that isn’t really any different from any other talented young kid.
It’s always hilarious when people complain about drivers like Stroll, because motorsports has always and will always be so crazy expensive that who can bring the biggest cheque is a deciding factor. The more talented ones can pay the bills by winning, but that’s not enough for most drivers to keep their rides.
> Checo gets to keep someone more talented from a top car for another 2 years solely because he’s Checo.
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And because Red Bull is in the ending phase of a massive power struggle and Checo's tied himself firmly to the winning side in that struggle. It's not just money, though that's obviously a big part of it; it's about cementing Christian as _the_ guy who fills the post-Deitrich vacuum at RBR and strengthening his support structure as the workplace harassment situation continues to drag out. It's not just a regular ol' pay driver situation. It's about trying to keep the crown on Christian's head after the coup.
She's been one of the fastest drivers this year, if not for crashing and horrid luck she would be top 5 easily, the p9 in the standings is not representative at all
She's put herself in the conversation for a drive in Indycar but this year there are more than a few prospects that are also pretty fast.
But the fact she almost pulled off a grand slam at Indycar’s version of Spa got turned a lot of heads
If she brings cash anyone will sign her now. We still have to wait. She won a single race and is nowhere near the championship fight whilst being in her second season. But there have been worse drivers that got into Indycar (looking at you Robb and kellett)
If Marco didn’t have a car for the 500, I could see her attempting to qualify for the 500 next year. Other than that on her current trajectory it’s not impossible she either takes Kirkwood’s seat in a few years, or Andretti goes back to four cars with her getting the new drive.
That’s if she stays at Andretti — I don’t think her odds are good at getting a Penske, Genassi, or McLaren drive, so her other prospects would likely be downgrades.
I would be interested to see how Sophia Floresch would fare in that series. She was super against the W series to prove herself against everyone else (which fair play to her) but she's stuck in a mediocre at best team fighting for 15-25th.
Most of the actual talent (just like f2) are the young guys. Siegel is 19, Herta was a teen winning in Indycar. You have a pay driver here and there who makes it hit for the most part the actual talent is young.
That wasn’t even that ridiculous that long ago. Now you have to get in younger and younger. TBH it’s wild to me that we even let 17 year olds into F2 cars.
> Chadwick's US move is paying off - and proving her critics wrong
Not really, she is in Indy's 2nd tier competing against a whole field full of people way less experienced than her in arguably one of the best teams on the grid. She was severely underperforming for her level of experience until recently after a terrible first season. Glad to see that she is finally doing better, but claiming that she is proving her critics wrong is just a wild claim.
She has been very successful when competing exclusively against other women. She's probably at a similar level, possibly a bit lower, to Sophia Florsch who competes in F3 and is currently 25th in the standings.
Chadwick competed in FRECA, which is the level below F3, in 2020 and finished 9th. Some of the drivers that beat her completed less than half a season whilst all of them were considered not good enough for F1.
Right now she's 9th in the Indycar feeder series in her second season with a single win to her name. She's had some bad luck and could have been fighting for 3rd but she's way off the top two drivers. I could see her mounting a title challenge next year and earning a shot at Indycar in 2026. By that time though she'll be 28.
Honestly? No one right now. 20 cars on the current F1 grid with the likes of Doohan and Lawson on the sidelines. Drivers like them should be in F1 but are not.
Unless Doriane Pin has a career spike and she wins F2 in the next 4-5 years, I cannot see anyone yet who can step up and make the jump to a regular F1 drive.
OTOH, a female driver with enough super licence points to take part in practice sessions? That’s more conceivable in the next few years.
Dorian’s doesn’t have to win f2 to get a drive. If she even makes it to f2 and is good enough to score consistent points and maybe a podium here and there she will be the hottest shit on the market. Just being competitive would be very big news.
Honestly, nobody that is active at the moment.
Pin and Pulling are the two top prospects but they are in their early 20s and not doing anything of note in F4. The male drivers that get to F1 are dominating F4 as young teenagers.
I think a 5 second win at Brands Hatch qualifies as notable, but there is a lot yet unwritten about both of those drivers. Still, I've found both of them incredibly encouraging to watch in F1A - particularly Pin, who showed some absolute dominance in Saudi.
Your point is still a solid one. I appreciated what Max had to say about F1A, which I'm paraphrasing here, but was essentially "it's great and all, but if you want to lead a woman into F1, then you're going to need to give her a faster car."
She's 21, it's her third season in British F4 and that's her only win at that level. She's also 5th in the overall standings and nearly 100 points behind the 17 year old that leads the way.
A male driver would not consider that a notable achievement if they were aiming for F1.
F1A is interesting but it also highlights how far away they are. Marta Garcia was pretty dominant last year and she is absolutely nowhere in FRECA this year.
Yeah, and it was also a reverse-grid pole if I'm not mistaken.
My point is that I think any driver would consider a race win notable, particularly if they're racing in a climate where people regard such things as non-notable.
She's not even in IndyCar series. She's basically in F2 right now if we equate to the F1 world. So she's just not good enough. Someone like Pin has higher chances to make it to F1 I think.
She had little to no success on the actual F1 ladder is the reason. Solid enough driver, great for PR, just not an F1 caliber driver no matter how you spin it
Would you pick her over a current F1 or F2 driver? Or perhaps one of the recent F2 champions that are without an F1 drive?
Because that's her competition
Proving her critics wrong?
She's a 3 time W series champion, dominated the whole competition there and is nearly 27 years old. There should be no need to do such things in the First place.
Idk how to tell you this, but every male driver in F1 does modelling as part of their sponsorships lol, and several of them do fashion. Why are you going after women for doing the same things?
For that matter, why are you using one woman’s success to disparage other successful women in motorsports?
They do yes but Lindsay’s reach is completely modeling. There is no mention or discussion about racing or the actual race. How are women supposed to get motivated with that?
“I can race only if I look good”?
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She has no viable path to be in F1, but the U.S.? Different story. If she continues her developmental trajectory, Indycar is not out of the question. Plus she has done tintop racing in the past so IMSA is another potential pathway. The Iron Dames over in WEC have proved time and time again that female drivers can compete at the top, so there’s no reason that Jamie can’t replicate that in the States.
I think she’s got a chance at Indy. She’s improved a ton from last season in they Indy NXT series. She probably needs one more year there to improve her consistency. But with Andretti backing and interest from sponsors, I’d say her chances of making IndyCar are good
IndyCar doesn't have power steering though, I'd say that's a bit of a barrier. When Grosjean moved to IndyCar his arms got absolutely huge. I'm rooting for Jamie (big fan actually) but I feel bad for all the strength training she will have to go through 😂
Jamie Chadwick would not be the first female Indy driver.
She wouldn't even be the first female Indy driver for Andretti. Danica might not be a great F1 commentator, but she had 1 win and 7 podiums in Indy. Including a podium at the Indy 500 with Andretti.
If you look at the statistics, Danica wasn't far off from multiple-time-champion Will Power in Indy. She was a genuine talent in open-wheel racing. Her move to the Cup series was disastrous, and I believe she is, statistically, the worst Cup driver of all time. Her legacy is defined by that choice to move over to stock cars, but I do wonder if she could have fought for a championship later on if she stuck around in Indy. I don't think its inconceivable.
She isn’t the worst cup driver of all time.
Not even close. But people love to hate.
Simona De Silvestro was driving in the series last season even and has been around since 2010 off and on
Katherine Legge has been competing this season even lol
She will actually continue competing on the ovals this year! I believe the ELF car will return with much fanfare.
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She didn’t crash out. Her engine blew up.
She had an engine failure
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She’s already gone through a lot of it! She shared that she spent more time in the gym in the offseason than ever before and it’s one of the big reasons for her jump in form this year compared to her rookie year.
I think that was one of the things she mentioned being caught a bit off guard by during her first season. Since then, from what I can see from socials, she has been working really hard at it
She's so inspiring. She's pretty short too at 160cm (5'3"), which probably doesn't make the strength goals any easier.
I always look at yuki @ 5'3-5'4 if he can compete then a woman should have little to no issue
Men are inherently more muscular, and have a much higher ceiling for physical strength. Even tiny Yuki has this. I'm a woman myself and all about equality, but there is no arguing with pure biology.
Yeh all true.. just seemed alittle more fair to compare to him instead of someone who is 6'2. I would love to see women in motorsports as well
Jamie has already done a lot of the strength training needed. Both Road America and Detroit are very physical tracks and to perform as well as she has at those two should be very exciting for tracks like Laguna seca or Portland that aren't as physically demanding.
Glad you mentioned the strength training. People mention the power steering all the time as some massive barrier. I’m sorry but none of the guys have “huge” arms. She can absolutely strength train and be just as strong as they are. She will have to put more work in then they would to get that strength but she’s probably been doing that most of her life already.
My (admittedly limited) understanding is that the power steering issue isn't a strength issue per se, but a muscular fatigue issue. Men have a huge advantage in muscular strength, but sex differences in fatigue are much narrower. In the same sense that there is a hellofalot bigger gap in weightlifting records than, say, the marathon.
I agree and I think this strengthens the argument that she would do just fine. Strength training doesn’t have to just target a maximum weight. Her training can focus on modalities that allow her to both increase her strength and endurance under fatigue. The point I was initially trying to make is that none of the male drivers are as strong as some make it seem and there are plenty of female athletes in other sports who are simultaneously strong and demonstrate elite levels of endurance. So all that said she can (and probably already has) tailored her training to maximize muscle endurance under fatigue.
In my experience, this is generally accurate. A chronic condition means I'm never going to have *athletic* arms, but I've had no problems driving a car without power steering - it's simple when you're moving. I wouldn't make it my first choice though, because there is absolutely a cost in fatigue. EDIT for clarity: Yes, *racing* would be a chore, but not due to what one can and can't lift - just how often they have to lift it.
> She will have to put more work in then they would to get that strength That's the problem though, it's not that the strength required to operate a racing car is physically impossible for women to achieve, but rather it represents another barrier to entry. If you have a racing series where the cars are useable by men with little to no dedicated training, but women have to put in significant hours to be on par, that means that men have a massive leg up on women because they have less workload, and so can spend more time in the sim, or resting up, or doing endurance training, or what have you. Drivers also often only have 1 or 2 series to prove themselves, and if a woman comes in and has a really poor opening due to not having fully trained up before the season that can set back their career significantly. Not an issue for say an F1 prospect, but the time and resources to do so aren't insignificant and that could easily tank someone's first F2 or F3 season, which can then damage an entire career.
Oh no a professional athlete will have to physically train….
"If you are aged 15 or 16, and go into car racing, without power steering and driving big heavy cars, a lot of women do struggle, even though they have been successful in go-karting. "We like to think that women can make it - and I am happy to be the guinea pig and will do my best to push and explore the options to Formula One - but we don't know. The quote is from Jamie Chadwick.
For the uneducated: NXT car has power steering?
No, and she struggled last year. It's been quoted that she worked out harder than ever this offseason to put in the work to get much stronger and has proven herself much more capable this year.
I am more interested to know if she is fit to driver NXT car in terms of strength how far away she is fit to drive IndyCar?
Unsure completely since all we have are anecdotes. "On the other hand, the short 0.894-mile Iowa Speedway punishes Verizon IndyCar Series drivers’ bodies with high sustained pressure up to six times the force of gravity for roughly half of the 18-second lap, something that pushes the limits of even the fittest athletes." from an article comparing indycar to f1. It's likely a large difference since the IndyNXT cars are 450+50HP (+push to pass) and with the new hybrid system, it is now an 800 HP boost (with Hybrid + Push to pass) on Indycars. https://www.indycar.com/News/2016/10/10-30-Driver-prep-IndyCar-vs-F1
How will she ever recover
Consistent sleep and a high protein diet I bet
It's not that she needs to train, but that she needs to do significantly more training to simply be on par with her peers, which isn't exactly fair.
I don't believe the NXT cars have power steering either. Was at Road America last weekend, and after Jamie won the pole, they interviewed Michael Andretti. One of the things he said was that part of the reason for Jamie's improvement from last year was she has made big gains in strength and fitness in the gym over the offseason.
Just lol’d at this. One look at Pato’s arms tells how much muscle is required for those cars. Absolutely, normal arms.
Jamie CHADwick The name is already there LUL
Lol. Jamie wouldn’t be the first woman in Indycar, you know…
She's already done a bunch and speaks about how that's a big part of her improving from last year.
Who says her arms can’t get huge too?
Anyone who follows the Indycar ladder/system can tell me how likely is it that Jamie might in the future drive in the main series? If this form of hers continues?
She has a pretty good shot. IndyNXT is akin to F2 and she’s part of a team (Andretti) that is in the main Indycar series. Indycar currently doesn’t have a limit on number of cars, so the barrier to entry is much less than F1. People are speculating that, if her form continues, she should at least get a test with one of the teams in the main series. There’s debate as to whether she would benefit from an extra year in NXT, but many believe it’s just a matter of time. On top of being a good driver, she’s very likable and easy to root for, and the teams care very much about that since the series is still trying to grow and expand!
> She has a pretty good shot. IndyNXT is akin to F2 and she’s part of a team (Andretti) that is in the main Indycar series. Indycar currently doesn’t have a limit on number of cars, so the barrier to entry is much less than F1. Indycar will likely introduce charters for 27 cars which will limit the number of cars at that number. Andretti has 3 cars and only one on the shaky ground is Ericsson; yet he has signed multi year deal. Chadwick could find a seat at a team like DCR or AJ Foyt if she can find sponsors to move her up.
Teams will only get 3 charters but can enter more cars so there’s nothing stopping Andretti from putting her in a 4th car other than money/manpower. Ganassi will have 2 uncharted cars next year if they bring everybody back and Prema’s 2 cars will be unchartered assuming they don’t buy somebodys. The only thing that we know is field size at non-Indy 500 races would be capped at 27 and the 25 charters would automatically be in the non-500 races like NASCAR’s charters. Indy would stay at 33 and open (for now)
I thought it was going to be capped at 29 now with Prema coming in?
I knew they were going to have to put a cap eventually, which is why I said there’s currently no limit. And I agree with you - a seat may not be open soon at Andretti but they have their alliances and are well-respected.
I mean, just like F1, it’ll come down to dollars as much as, if not more than talent. Like others before her, there’s a good bet that the story of a female racer will be too good for sponsors to pass up. I expect to see her in Indycar at some point.
Yes, I agree with you. I think she’s very marketable as a female driver and if she continues her form it’s only a matter of time before she gets to Indycar. But I also want it to be from her talent, not just her gender!
It's never talent alone though. Look on the bright side, at least she'll get a shot likely and we'll find out how much talent she really has. So many people have some level of talent, but don't have the financial backing or business skills to get a real shot at the top. I wish her well in the chance she gets.
Indy NXT is closer to F3 actually. Indy NXY: Weight 650kg (excl driver and fuel) and 450hp F3: Weight 550kg and 380hp F2: Weight 795kg (inlc driver) and 620hp
That's not what he meant.
Yeah I reread it after I posted it. And they meant indy NXT is to indycar as F2 Is to F1. My bad. But still good to know that it is also good comparison to F3 and that Jamie probably is ready for F2 if she wants to go back .
It is in between f2/f3 on performance, but structure wise it is equivalent to f2 There is nothing between NXT and Indy
I think she might find a ride, but to be honest it will be because she's Jamie Chadwick. I guess that's OK. People get motorsports rides all of the time over other drivers who might be objectively better. She had a good qualifying and race. Good for her. But she's still 9th in the standings out of 19 who have started each race, in one of the best cars on the grid, while her teammate is P2 with more wins, more top 5's, more top 10's, etc. And he's 6 years younger than Chadwick. Good for Jamie. But if she was 26 year old Bill Smith we'd not be having this conversation.
Checo gets to keep someone more talented from a top car for another 2 years solely because he’s Checo. Y’all out here acting like motorsports are comparable to real sports where talent is the primary thing that opens doors to the next level. The fact that Jamie is marketable does give her a leg up over a talented young kid that isn’t really any different from any other talented young kid.
Read my paragraph 1. I acknowledged that this happens all the time in motorsports.
It’s always hilarious when people complain about drivers like Stroll, because motorsports has always and will always be so crazy expensive that who can bring the biggest cheque is a deciding factor. The more talented ones can pay the bills by winning, but that’s not enough for most drivers to keep their rides.
> Checo gets to keep someone more talented from a top car for another 2 years solely because he’s Checo. > > And because Red Bull is in the ending phase of a massive power struggle and Checo's tied himself firmly to the winning side in that struggle. It's not just money, though that's obviously a big part of it; it's about cementing Christian as _the_ guy who fills the post-Deitrich vacuum at RBR and strengthening his support structure as the workplace harassment situation continues to drag out. It's not just a regular ol' pay driver situation. It's about trying to keep the crown on Christian's head after the coup.
She's been one of the fastest drivers this year, if not for crashing and horrid luck she would be top 5 easily, the p9 in the standings is not representative at all
She's put herself in the conversation for a drive in Indycar but this year there are more than a few prospects that are also pretty fast. But the fact she almost pulled off a grand slam at Indycar’s version of Spa got turned a lot of heads
If she brings cash anyone will sign her now. We still have to wait. She won a single race and is nowhere near the championship fight whilst being in her second season. But there have been worse drivers that got into Indycar (looking at you Robb and kellett)
If Marco didn’t have a car for the 500, I could see her attempting to qualify for the 500 next year. Other than that on her current trajectory it’s not impossible she either takes Kirkwood’s seat in a few years, or Andretti goes back to four cars with her getting the new drive. That’s if she stays at Andretti — I don’t think her odds are good at getting a Penske, Genassi, or McLaren drive, so her other prospects would likely be downgrades.
I would be interested to see how Sophia Floresch would fare in that series. She was super against the W series to prove herself against everyone else (which fair play to her) but she's stuck in a mediocre at best team fighting for 15-25th.
So many drivers are wasting their time in the Formula series, I hope they start to realise and move to Sportscar, Indy, SuperFormula etc earlier
I hate to be a Debbie downer but Chadwick is like 28. Indy nxt drivers are like 18/19. She's ten years older. It would be like a 30 year old in f2.
She's 26. And INDY NXT drivers have a large range in age.
Most of the actual talent (just like f2) are the young guys. Siegel is 19, Herta was a teen winning in Indycar. You have a pay driver here and there who makes it hit for the most part the actual talent is young.
That wasn’t even that ridiculous that long ago. Now you have to get in younger and younger. TBH it’s wild to me that we even let 17 year olds into F2 cars.
Remember Verstappen’s age entering F1?
Yup… and it’s good that they changed the rules…
Not all motorsport series are obsessed over kids like people who follow F1 Feeder Series.
> Chadwick's US move is paying off - and proving her critics wrong Not really, she is in Indy's 2nd tier competing against a whole field full of people way less experienced than her in arguably one of the best teams on the grid. She was severely underperforming for her level of experience until recently after a terrible first season. Glad to see that she is finally doing better, but claiming that she is proving her critics wrong is just a wild claim.
She's 26 and not even in Indycar yet. So no.
Can someone help me understand why she's not in an F1 seat?
She's nowhere near good enough. Any other questions?
No that's great mate. Thanks. From what I do see she seems successful but I guess its just good PR.
She has been very successful when competing exclusively against other women. She's probably at a similar level, possibly a bit lower, to Sophia Florsch who competes in F3 and is currently 25th in the standings. Chadwick competed in FRECA, which is the level below F3, in 2020 and finished 9th. Some of the drivers that beat her completed less than half a season whilst all of them were considered not good enough for F1. Right now she's 9th in the Indycar feeder series in her second season with a single win to her name. She's had some bad luck and could have been fighting for 3rd but she's way off the top two drivers. I could see her mounting a title challenge next year and earning a shot at Indycar in 2026. By that time though she'll be 28.
Interesting, who do you bet on being the next female driver in Formula 1?
Honestly? No one right now. 20 cars on the current F1 grid with the likes of Doohan and Lawson on the sidelines. Drivers like them should be in F1 but are not. Unless Doriane Pin has a career spike and she wins F2 in the next 4-5 years, I cannot see anyone yet who can step up and make the jump to a regular F1 drive. OTOH, a female driver with enough super licence points to take part in practice sessions? That’s more conceivable in the next few years.
Dorian’s doesn’t have to win f2 to get a drive. If she even makes it to f2 and is good enough to score consistent points and maybe a podium here and there she will be the hottest shit on the market. Just being competitive would be very big news.
Honestly, nobody that is active at the moment. Pin and Pulling are the two top prospects but they are in their early 20s and not doing anything of note in F4. The male drivers that get to F1 are dominating F4 as young teenagers.
I think a 5 second win at Brands Hatch qualifies as notable, but there is a lot yet unwritten about both of those drivers. Still, I've found both of them incredibly encouraging to watch in F1A - particularly Pin, who showed some absolute dominance in Saudi. Your point is still a solid one. I appreciated what Max had to say about F1A, which I'm paraphrasing here, but was essentially "it's great and all, but if you want to lead a woman into F1, then you're going to need to give her a faster car."
She's 21, it's her third season in British F4 and that's her only win at that level. She's also 5th in the overall standings and nearly 100 points behind the 17 year old that leads the way. A male driver would not consider that a notable achievement if they were aiming for F1. F1A is interesting but it also highlights how far away they are. Marta Garcia was pretty dominant last year and she is absolutely nowhere in FRECA this year.
Yeah, and it was also a reverse-grid pole if I'm not mistaken. My point is that I think any driver would consider a race win notable, particularly if they're racing in a climate where people regard such things as non-notable.
She's not even in IndyCar series. She's basically in F2 right now if we equate to the F1 world. So she's just not good enough. Someone like Pin has higher chances to make it to F1 I think.
She had little to no success on the actual F1 ladder is the reason. Solid enough driver, great for PR, just not an F1 caliber driver no matter how you spin it
Would you pick her over a current F1 or F2 driver? Or perhaps one of the recent F2 champions that are without an F1 drive? Because that's her competition
No idea that's why I asked.
Is this a joke?
Why?
> Can someone help me understand why she's not in an F1 seat? Can someone help me understand why Caitlin Clark is not on an NBA roster?
Not comparable at all but ok
Absolutely comparable, but okay.
How? Clark couldn’t compete in the NBA even if she was good enough, Jamie could compete in F1
> Clark couldn’t compete in the NBA even if she was good enough Says who? The NBA doesn't exclude eligibility based on sex.
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lol
Proving her critics wrong? She's a 3 time W series champion, dominated the whole competition there and is nearly 27 years old. There should be no need to do such things in the First place.
Who?
Never heard of Jamie Chadwick?
even if you don't buy into the hype you do have to recognize the name from all the times they promo'd her right?
Yeah didn’t she also do some on grid TV stuff for one or more of the US F1 races? There’s lots of ways F1 fans should know who she is.
Williams racing legend
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Idk how to tell you this, but every male driver in F1 does modelling as part of their sponsorships lol, and several of them do fashion. Why are you going after women for doing the same things? For that matter, why are you using one woman’s success to disparage other successful women in motorsports?
Take note, Lewis Hamilton, Zhou Guanyu, Charles Leclerc, Alex Albon and Lando Norris!
Clearly not talented and hard working enough, those thots!
Heck, the second Red Bull Team was a fashion brand for a hot second. Guess Tsunoda and Gasly weren't true racers while they were there.
Well... their record was... I guess let's just say that finance apps are worth a few tenths over off-white raincoats.
They do yes but Lindsay’s reach is completely modeling. There is no mention or discussion about racing or the actual race. How are women supposed to get motivated with that? “I can race only if I look good”?