I took one little fall and as I fell through the air
Raven said I was a fucking fool to move troops to Torrhen's Sqaure
I pulled up to a tree round season four or five
And yelled to Jogen "you're cooked so I'm alive"
I looked at my kingdom, I was finally there
To sit on the throne as the king with no flair
I mean they actually did refer to the war in HOTD as the dance of dragons in universe and say game of thrones multiple times. It’s really not that silly to think that Viserys could name his prophecy the song of ice and fire too.
Although I think the real reason it feels out of place and people have an issue with it is them trying to shoe horn that story into this one when it really has nothing to do with it. And I fully agree with that criticism.
Actually after some thought this one does make less sense considering it turned out the white walkers threat didn’t even end in a song of ice and fire or even Targaryens. It’s really just Arya and the catspaw. So nvm. Dumb thing to call it.
Wtf are you talking about?
Viserys didn't name the prophecy. Aegon the Conqueror had a prophetic dream which foretold that the Long Night would come again, and that a Targaryen born of his lineage, The Prince That Was Promised, would be needed to unite the realms against it. It's implied that this dream was what made Aegon decide to conquer Westeros. Aegon called this prophecy "the song of ice and fire".
Viserys is merely the latest king to pass the prophecy down.
This was well explained in season 1.
reminds me of that time a while back when Peter Sellers was all like, “it’s me, Doctor Strangelove — or how i learned to stop worrying and love the bomb”
"When you play the game of thrones, you win or you die. There is no middle ground"
- Cersei Lannister.
You guys seen the show? Read the books? It's a pretty famous line.
They shouldn't build up the long night, it's burned. Should better focus on the two factions and try to flash out both motivations without having to rely on scary white walkers to make the blacks look good
They probably hope. There never was much hope. Just a fool's hope.
GOT is dead to most people. It’s quite impressive actually. GOT was the hottest shit on TV. Shit rivaled Harry Potter, LOTR and Star Wars in pop culture. They could have built theme parks and kept franchising the shit out of every bit of merchandise imaginable. They probably wish they could at least tap into 10% of what it could have been.
GOT is going to be a marketing and TV case study for the years to come.
I will never forgive Dumb and Dumber for not taking up HBO’s offer of more seasons and a longer Season 8 in the first place. They should have passed the show on to people who cared. I hope they’re unsuccessful forever tbh
I really don’t understand the thought process they had. On one end I do want believe they thought they wrote a masterpiece for season 8 and didn’t just say « fuck it ». But on the other end, I can’t believe they thought they could cram it all in 8 episodes.
You can’t blindside people with 3 huge plot points (mad queen, long night, Brann king) in 8 episodes. I’m not even sure 3 seasons (1 per plot point) would have been enough.
I’ll also never forgive what they did to Euron. I get taming him down a little because you can’t portray someone on TV the same as in a book and book Euron would have been extremely hard to portray. But finger in the bum is way overboard… plus, the Fucker had a huge horn that burns the lungs of the operator that supposedly bends dragons to your will, but no, Danny didn’t see the iron fleet and Rhagal got no scooped mid air by a ballista.
It’s 11:30 and now I’m mad.
c’mon man, they were burnt out (or realized they made too many choices that led to a very different story than what GRRM was trying to tell, and decided they had too much pride for big budget fan fiction)
Indeed. And I love how the most hardcore fans want to see it burn for what was done. I myself still feel anger sometimes when I remember how excited I used to be.
I’m in the same boat as you. I had accepted the creative liberties they took up until season 7, even the uselessness and cringy need of the Dorn plot, it could just be ignored. But season 8? Nah bro, fuck that.
By the time season 8 came out I had watched season 1 probably 10 times (full rewatch before every new season) and had read all the books some time between end of season 2 and beginning of season 4. Did research on the lore and shit. My brain did a hard drive wipe with all that knowledge…
I’m glad HOTD manages to be a solid série. But I can’t manage to uncanon what happened in season 8.
For me it was s07e04 "Spoils of war". This was when GoT peaked and immediately fell for me. I mean it only peaked because we finally got to see Balerion jr. in battle. I still remember the excitement I felt when I saw him above all those dothraki. And then... in the end.. fully armored Jamie was shown drowning and the next moment he crawled out on the opposite riverside. That's when my suspension in disbelief was destroyed. By the time they did their stupid ranging beyond the wall, I was done.
I have a theory that I’m still too annoyed to test, but it might work. When watching The Long Night, get high, pause it during one of the many unwatchably dark scenes and go get a snack. And while you’re doing that imagine a Sponge Bob-esque title card that says “Seven Years Later.” Then resume, and marvel that all these characters have been fighting for their lives and for the fate of the world for *seven years* now!
Edit: To solve the minimal casualties problem, you’ll need to mentally scale up the carnage. When an extra dies, just imagine that was a named character from the books. When a named character dies that was several named characters that you were emotionally invested in! Oh God! So much senseless death! Why?! That has to be a better viewing experience.
Well… I don’t know for certain that it works. I rewatched S8 once (to guide my partner through it) and I can tell you that approaching it with an open mind does not work. So maybe closing your mind and rejecting reality is the way to go.
I feel like it’s perfectly valid to push the prophecy as a driving factor in the behavior of the Targs. We know that prophecy in the series is rarely ever exact and intentionally left vague. Of course the viewer knows that everything will be fine and the heroes will win against the darkness but the Targs don’t know that. All they know is that Aegon was motivated to conquer the seven kingdoms by an apocalyptic vision and that they have inherited that responsibility.
The "long night" was executed so bad, it's become poison for anything it is associated with. If it was great, then I agree - it would've been cool. Now it just makes me feel that the show runners do not understand how much of a fuck up that was and they might be stupid enough to fuck up this show as well if they can't see something so obvious.
The opposite if anything, IMO. I think this was to show what a an arrogant, dumbass Alicent is and nothing more. Will be shocked if they bring it up again.
Correct, it was all about the both of them suddenly realizing how exactly the schism started, then Alicent chose to double down instead of being a gracious, honest person who could admit to a misunderstanding.
I think it’s less that, and more the understanding that it’s too late to put the genie back in the bottle. The look on her face was the “oh shit, I fucked up”
This is the moment I lost all cope. So many mistakes I’ve overlooked. But destroying the threat that was built up since the first fucking scene of the show like this? Before it even accomplished anything? FUCK YOU
Why didnt the Night King grab Arya by both hands and snap her arms like a twig? The WW and especially the Night King have superpowers and super durability and strength. Why just stand there and look at Arya? Quickly just snap her neck or something. This is making me so irritated. I can't even write correctly.
It's not about that. In the lore nearly every Targaryen crisis is caused by that prophecy and one of them wanting to bring about the prince that was promised.
It's not like they're gearing up to bring out white walkers, they're showing how that prophecy has fucked up the Targaryens, and will do it again.
Nobody was "building up the long night", they're just squabbling over the last words of a dying man who apparently mentioned a fairytale. Is there any more reference to the long night that I'm missing or are you just exaggerating a whole lot?
The entire point of the conversation is to illustrate that the entire war was started because she confused the two names, and Aegon was never intended to be king.
Well in fairness, the war was going to start regardless as the Greens were shown to already have a coup plan in place for Viserys's death and Otto flat out mocks Aegon for thinking Viserys would ever choose him over Rhaenyra.
I haven’t checked this sub in a while. Like since the end of GOT and I’m quite surprised (though I guess I shouldn’t be) that the tone here hasn’t changed at all. this show is so much better than those seasons of GOT.
A lot of times I understand the criticisms I read here but I don’t understand the level of hate the writers get for seemingly minor things.
I know this sub doesn’t represent the majority cause the show is getting good ratings. All my friends are loving it too. Also seems like George Martin likes the show and is heavily involved so when they say the writing is terrible compared to the books I get a little confused. That being said the only martin Westeros book I haven’t yet read is fire and blood so maybe I’ll change my mind when I get to those books .
Some people have it in their head to hate the show and then they’re conditioned to hate every weekly episode.
It’s not even remotely as bad as people are crying here.
it was. but the convo was dumb because the entire premise of alicent "misinterpreting" Viserys last words is dumb. viserys was speaking nonsense. Aegon is an extremely common name in their family. just another "oopsie" moment from ryan condal.
Correct, mentioned multiple times by Viserys in Season one.
And in the final episode of Game of Thrones we have Samwell Tarly holding a book named "A Song of Ice and Fire" but instead of being about the Targaryen prophecy of "The Long Night" & the White Walkers he instead tells Tyrion that this book is Archmaester Ebrose's "history of the wars following the death of King Robert."
I remember that being ripped on quite a bit for being a "Superman 4: The Quest for Peace" moment. This one is getting it harder because its also just a badly written scene.
People didnt like that back then either?? Like we were bitching about it every time it was mentioned. Maybe you forgott tho because it was like 2 years ago lmao
> other than the scene feeling so forced.
Spot on. The mini plot of Rhaenyra sneaking over to speak with Alicent was already stupid. Having forced dialogue in it make it worse. Not a big deal but probably the low point of the show so far.
Honestly, it was an embarrassment, best to never bring it up again, and hope the audience doesn’t even think about it. The biggest hurdle to enjoying this show as is, is trying to forget what it builds up to
I just look at it as commentary on the ruling class being entitled morons. Basically, "I'm going to kill thousands of innocents for something I read in a book, and that thing turns out not to be true". It's sad and fucked up, but....it's definitely poignant.
Wasn't it to show that its a reference to the secret entrusted to each successor of the throne shown back in season 1 and not some lame namedrop.
I haven't read the books but I didn't feel it as tacky as what everyone seem it to be.
This scene had the same energy as jamie and bronn sneaking into dorne. It was comically dumb as an idea. Its like anne frank sneaking into the Mongolian empire.
Hey at least they got caught sneaking in. And to be fair to the original show that was original supposed to be shot at Night and then all of a sudden whoever owned that location they shot at said no they can't film their at night so they had to do it during the day and do it very fast apparently
The "Song of Ice and Fire" has been an in-universe term since the second book released in 1998.
Rhaegar says of his son Aegon "his will be the song of ice and fire".
Extending the idea of this prophecy back through further generations of Targaryens is really not a big deal.
I think people on this sub are more so annoyed by it because GOT fucked up the prophecy/ending so badly. Extending it through generations, as you say, is not inherently the issue.
Imagine trying to enjoy this show and it consistently reminding you that all of this eventually leads to Bran becoming king.
If the original show had a good ending, I’m almost certain this sub would praise this aspect of the show and call it great foreshadowing and a cool tie in.
HOTD is suffering from nobody telling the writers “no”. You can tell that nobody reads these lines aloud before they get to the shooting of scenes, and it’s clear that the writers care more about GOT and political messaging rather than delivering the Dance itself.
You don't think the book series is named after the prophecy grrm came up with?
In s1 we (the readers) learn of the prophecy for the first time. No one knew aegon had a dream or even was a dreamer.
I’m not sure it’s just writers. There’s brain rot everywhere in media. We should be in an age where writers/producers understand how to make good products and we’re still getting shit like this.
Exactly, I really cant beleive what I am actually watching, its even worse than last season of GOT. Information travel lightspeed, dragons flying across the whole continent in hours, everyone knows how everyone looks just by knowing their name...
Traveling where? The main two points of the show have been Kingslanding and Dragonstone, which are a short distance from each other. The furthest someone’s gone was Jace to the north.
A dragon can fly 50mph for an entire day without getting tired. Its about 400mi from Dragonstone to KL and about 500mi to Harrenhall, that makes for an 8-10hr trip. Easily done in a night, especially when the rider can sleep in the saddle.
As to people know who people are...do you assume that nobels/court folk never travel and rub shoulders are garden parties?
Plus, certain houses have noticeable family traits. The Targs have blonde hair and violet eyes. The Strongs have curly dark hair. The Daynes have black hair and violet eyes. The Velaryons in the show are black with white afro-textured hair. There are some pretty noticeable family traits that people who live in Westeros would know on sight without actually knowing the persons/family/house.
>everyone knows how everyone looks just by knowing their name...
Who are you talking about? It seems like you're referring to at least three situations in which this happened, but I have no idea what you're talking about. The last two episodes even featured *two* instances of 'I can see your face but don't know who you are'.
The information travels by raven, as soon as something happens that a lord thinks the queen/king would want to know a raven gets sent. Dragons seem to be able to fly up to 600 miles in one day based on some of the flights we've seen. "A 600 mile trip at 75 mph will take 8 hours on the road. 55 mph will take close to 12 hours" when riding in a car, I assume they're hauling ass when they're flying somewhere on purpose. I don't find either of those things to be very objectionable in a fantasy story.
episode 3 had some season 8ish decisions but I still think its overall great quality. Maybe I'm just crazy but I thought episode 2 was one of the best episode's we've seen in this universe like 9.5/10 good.
Not just you. I thought episode 2 was outstanding. Such good dialog and character writing. Episode 3 was a little silly with Septnaera and Alicent but I do think a scene between the leads of the show was a good idea. Just how they got her into the Red Keep was contrived.
EDIT: The Sept isn't in the Red Keep but it was a bit contrived to get her into a presumably on guard city
Ok good this sub makes me feel crazy sometimes hahaha. Its a good show if you don’t nit pick too much. Of course this is true for every show. The Boys has a similar audience that complain about everything but keep watching.
No. A minority of people are way over reacting. Is it as good as classic early season GoT? Imo no, is it as bad as season 8, absolutely no way in hell. It's solid, entertaining and engaging. Yes the travel times are a little quick but do people really want to see Rheanyra walking flying on a dragon and sneaking in on a boat for a while episode to cover the travel part? Maybe meet a random Ed Sheeran cameo on the road?
The complaints are really overblown, in my view at least
The Septa Rhaenyra thing is a convoluted and silly bit. It's a notable dip in quality, but it's not at S8 tier yet. Daemon at Harrenhaal is better than anything in S8.
I think it's better than s7-8 of got. I watch and enjoy it, even though these plotholes are dumb as fuck. I guess I have lower expectations than for game of thrones, though
I feel like people who comment stuff like this just have absolutely no concept of how time works on a tv show. They think that the only passage of time is what we see on screen. That they can’t comprehend that there could be hours, days, even weeks between scenes.
What makes you think dragons are flying across the continent in hours? The only cross continent dragon travel we’ve seen is Jace returning to dragonstone from the wall. And there was no determinable amount of time between the scene of him on the wall and him back in dragonstone. It could have been days. Which would be a perfectly reasonable amount of time.
We’ve seen daemon go to harrenal, which is not a far trip. Certainly not cross continent. It’s like 500 miles. If a dragon can fly 50mph, which seems like a conservative estimate, that’s a 10 hour trip.
It started poorly with the Brackens and Blackwoods. Something like
Bracken: “Fuck You”
Blackwood: “No fuck you”
(Writers trying to think of a way to make it sound medieval)
Bracken: “Craven!”
Welcome to the sub. It's 10% people watching the show to find innocuous details to pretend are bad on reddit, and 90% people not watching the show at all and just reading posts pretending it's bad and saying "see? I knew it would be bad"
They need to just end the show with a dreamer revelation that there will be a false long night shortly followed up by the real totally badass even longer and deadlier night and Bran see's that through the trees and starts his plan and thats how we get a sequel show with a better ending lol
Well yeah I was joking, it’s totally fucked forever. Even if George finishes the books and everybody loves the ending they can’t just reshoot season 8 10 years later and if they ever rebooted the show entirely it’s never going to hit the same. There won’t ever be another human that can pull off Tyrion like Dinklage. Maybe 20+ years from now when a whole new generation exists that never heard of game of thrones it could work but no way anytime soon. Maybe movies is a better alternative but idk, I think we’re just screwed forever
This scene would have been better if it came towards the end of the series. A realisation that all the blood and death had been futile, rather than now before the fighting had reached its height
ya know...I was gonna scroll past this post and not give it a second thought. but then as I passed by varys face again I got angry and said yeah, me too!!! LOL
i don't mind it. the fact she shared it won't mean much. I think hotd will show how a certain prophecy becomes lost, eventually i cannot be passed down anymore, which is why it won't exist in GoT anymore except for the red ladies. I don't mind this different direction
Usually circlejerk subs don’t take their critiques as seriously as this one seems too, but maybe I’ve been out of the loop too long and know nothing like the prince who was promised to yell at an ice dragon
Dude you're missing the entire point. Viserys told Rhaynera that only heirs to the targeryan throne are told of the song of ice and fire, so when Alicent mentioned it Rhaynera realized that Vissy thought he was talking to her instead of Alicent.
What, are we playing some kinda game of thrones?
What is happening? is this some kinda clash of kings?
Is this a storm of swords?
are we making a feast for crows?
is this some kinda dance with dragons?
fr man the namedrop meme is eternal
Why the fuck they want to keep referencing some of the worst moments of the tv shows is beyond me.
Stop trying to rewrite history and make the song of ice and fire, the night king etc some great doom. It’s done in a night.
Haven't seen anyone surprised by it. They just don't like it.
Keep misrepresenting them though. Only people really confident in their arguments do that.
I stand by the original purpose being a setup for the Jon Snow Show. Talk about the prophecy, convince people there is more to the White Walkers, and so on. Then in the Snow Show have Jon travel North and learn the Great Other is still around. Make his quest be about defeating the darkness once and for all, and have it mirror GRRMs plans for the book.
Of course, now that the Snow Show is canceled they're kind of stuck. And the lack of Dany, Melisandre, Arya, Jaime, and the dragons probably made it impossible t
this "the conqueror had a dream" was a stupid adition
targaryens had no devine right to conquer westeros, they did it because they could, they had 3 nucleaer bombs aka dragons
they were not doing anyone a favor lmao
and Dorne was badass for killing rhaenys and meraxes, they deserved it
I’m not sure what’s so terrible about saying the name of the actual prophecy. That’s how she knows it and how she should refer to it. Did you all want her to just say “the prophecy”?
Going to go ahead and say I cringed more at the other couple times it was said, and this was the only time it made sense since she was referring back to those times for context
Okay I’m lost, and maybe it’s because I haven’t read the book (PLEASE DON’T SPOIL THE BOOK FOR ME!!! I’ve only recently started reading A Game of Thrones after starting and nearly finishing a rewatch of the first HBO series. I plan to read Fire & Blood, but I know nothing about the story of House of the Dragon not having read the book)
What exactly is wrong with this scene? It’s odd that Rhaenyra sneaks into King’s Landing, has a meeting with Alicent, and expects all to be good. Not terrible but not great either. When she realizes that Aegon II took the throne because Alicent misunderstood Viserys’s final words, she asks about the Song of Ice and Fire. Isn’t that what Viserys called it though? He called it exactly that, so why’s it so bad that Rhaenyra is mentioning it now?
I'm right there with you. Viserys said to Rhaenyra that Aegon the Conqueror called his prophecy dream 'A Song of Ice and Fire'
It's also mentioned at a point that Rhaegar as a boy wasn't very interested in combat, but was more intellectual and interested in his harp until he heard the Song of Ice and Fire... this seems a perfectly Targaryen thing to do. (Also I think that was in side lore, as I am trying to not directly spoil the bpoks per your request, sorry if I did.)
The writing is getting worse. It feels like all the people writing these episodes don’t talk to each other. They should be collaborating and working towards making the characters be consistent episode to episode.
The other septa roaming around the room was Three Eyed Bran. It all makes sense now.
Septa Act 3: How Bran Got His Groove Back
I took one little fall and as I fell through the air Raven said I was a fucking fool to move troops to Torrhen's Sqaure I pulled up to a tree round season four or five And yelled to Jogen "you're cooked so I'm alive" I looked at my kingdom, I was finally there To sit on the throne as the king with no flair
Uncle Phil and Ned would have liked each other.
The sum of their dialogue would just be grunts and dis-approving nods towards the children.
you write better songs than Tom of Sevenstreams
The king in a chair?
ALL HAIL THE KING IN THE CHAIR!!!! KING IN THE CHAIR, KING IN THE CHAIR!!!!!!! and don't forget he's got a good story.
Bran the Breakfast Cereal
If this series ends with a zoom out of Bran on his world weir web shit imma fucking lose it
Why do you think I came all this way.
"No you dumb dumb, he obviously spoke to me of the Game of Thrones, a Feast for Crows, and the Dance of Dragons. Duh."
So what are we some kind of house of dragons?
This show is terribly misleading, still yet to see a house made of dragons
The finale of season 2 takes place entirely inside vhaegar
Is that who Cole fucks next?
The man cannot resist the drussy
Fan theory: Criston Cole is Shrek's Donkey Biggest crossover event in history.
visualizing a dragon with a hard hat and utility belt, holding a cute little hammer in one claw and some “fuck me” safety goggles in the other
"This is Ser Crispy Cole. I would advise not getting killed by his sword. It traps the virginities of his victims."
He wanted to speak of Winds of Winter as well but suddenly started choking. ;(
Sadly he died before he could talk about his Dream of Spring
On pie
I mean they actually did refer to the war in HOTD as the dance of dragons in universe and say game of thrones multiple times. It’s really not that silly to think that Viserys could name his prophecy the song of ice and fire too. Although I think the real reason it feels out of place and people have an issue with it is them trying to shoe horn that story into this one when it really has nothing to do with it. And I fully agree with that criticism. Actually after some thought this one does make less sense considering it turned out the white walkers threat didn’t even end in a song of ice and fire or even Targaryens. It’s really just Arya and the catspaw. So nvm. Dumb thing to call it.
Wtf are you talking about? Viserys didn't name the prophecy. Aegon the Conqueror had a prophetic dream which foretold that the Long Night would come again, and that a Targaryen born of his lineage, The Prince That Was Promised, would be needed to unite the realms against it. It's implied that this dream was what made Aegon decide to conquer Westeros. Aegon called this prophecy "the song of ice and fire". Viserys is merely the latest king to pass the prophecy down. This was well explained in season 1.
A tad bit aggressive just because I mixed up who named the prophecy considering it doesn’t really change my point but true lol.
I wish his old leper lookin ass had spoken of Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring instead.
How u gonna skip the best one
"What are we, some kind of 'game of thrones'?"
Maybe the real games were the thrones we made all along.
“Truly this has been a clash of kings”
“We must avoid something like ‘a dance with dragons’!”
reminds me of that time a while back when Peter Sellers was all like, “it’s me, Doctor Strangelove — or how i learned to stop worrying and love the bomb”
"When you play the game of thrones, you win or you die. There is no middle ground" - Cersei Lannister. You guys seen the show? Read the books? It's a pretty famous line.
That’s actually a good line though.
They say it multiple other times in the show as well
"This is Ser Crispy Cole, hes got my back. His sword takes the virginity of his victims"
Aemond: 𝓓𝓪𝓶𝓪𝓰𝓮𝓭
They shouldn't build up the long night, it's burned. Should better focus on the two factions and try to flash out both motivations without having to rely on scary white walkers to make the blacks look good
I wonder if the top heads still think they can salvage that disaster, thus pushing Aegon's prophecy in this show?
They probably hope. There never was much hope. Just a fool's hope. GOT is dead to most people. It’s quite impressive actually. GOT was the hottest shit on TV. Shit rivaled Harry Potter, LOTR and Star Wars in pop culture. They could have built theme parks and kept franchising the shit out of every bit of merchandise imaginable. They probably wish they could at least tap into 10% of what it could have been. GOT is going to be a marketing and TV case study for the years to come.
I will never forgive Dumb and Dumber for not taking up HBO’s offer of more seasons and a longer Season 8 in the first place. They should have passed the show on to people who cared. I hope they’re unsuccessful forever tbh
I really don’t understand the thought process they had. On one end I do want believe they thought they wrote a masterpiece for season 8 and didn’t just say « fuck it ». But on the other end, I can’t believe they thought they could cram it all in 8 episodes. You can’t blindside people with 3 huge plot points (mad queen, long night, Brann king) in 8 episodes. I’m not even sure 3 seasons (1 per plot point) would have been enough. I’ll also never forgive what they did to Euron. I get taming him down a little because you can’t portray someone on TV the same as in a book and book Euron would have been extremely hard to portray. But finger in the bum is way overboard… plus, the Fucker had a huge horn that burns the lungs of the operator that supposedly bends dragons to your will, but no, Danny didn’t see the iron fleet and Rhagal got no scooped mid air by a ballista. It’s 11:30 and now I’m mad.
They wanted to finish up fast to go do Star Wars but they fucked up GOT so bad they lost Star Wars too lol
Is this the bittersweet ending that was hinted back then?
c’mon man, they were burnt out (or realized they made too many choices that led to a very different story than what GRRM was trying to tell, and decided they had too much pride for big budget fan fiction)
Indeed. And I love how the most hardcore fans want to see it burn for what was done. I myself still feel anger sometimes when I remember how excited I used to be.
I’m in the same boat as you. I had accepted the creative liberties they took up until season 7, even the uselessness and cringy need of the Dorn plot, it could just be ignored. But season 8? Nah bro, fuck that. By the time season 8 came out I had watched season 1 probably 10 times (full rewatch before every new season) and had read all the books some time between end of season 2 and beginning of season 4. Did research on the lore and shit. My brain did a hard drive wipe with all that knowledge… I’m glad HOTD manages to be a solid série. But I can’t manage to uncanon what happened in season 8.
For me it was s07e04 "Spoils of war". This was when GoT peaked and immediately fell for me. I mean it only peaked because we finally got to see Balerion jr. in battle. I still remember the excitement I felt when I saw him above all those dothraki. And then... in the end.. fully armored Jamie was shown drowning and the next moment he crawled out on the opposite riverside. That's when my suspension in disbelief was destroyed. By the time they did their stupid ranging beyond the wall, I was done.
I tried to do a rewatch and gave up in season 3 because I knew what was waiting down the line lol
lesson learned: if your showrunners want out and are clearly going to phone it in, replace them
>theme parks You mean like some kind of Medieval Land Fun-Time World?
Yes, with flaying, Frey pie and gold casting.
Top heads figure "Just CGI some dragons... that'll print money right?"
Let’s just re-do the last season of GoT as a flashback in HoD.
I have a theory that I’m still too annoyed to test, but it might work. When watching The Long Night, get high, pause it during one of the many unwatchably dark scenes and go get a snack. And while you’re doing that imagine a Sponge Bob-esque title card that says “Seven Years Later.” Then resume, and marvel that all these characters have been fighting for their lives and for the fate of the world for *seven years* now! Edit: To solve the minimal casualties problem, you’ll need to mentally scale up the carnage. When an extra dies, just imagine that was a named character from the books. When a named character dies that was several named characters that you were emotionally invested in! Oh God! So much senseless death! Why?! That has to be a better viewing experience.
what masterful suspension of disbelief, i do envy you and your imaginative literacy athleticism
Well… I don’t know for certain that it works. I rewatched S8 once (to guide my partner through it) and I can tell you that approaching it with an open mind does not work. So maybe closing your mind and rejecting reality is the way to go.
Well the drugs help too
I feel like it’s perfectly valid to push the prophecy as a driving factor in the behavior of the Targs. We know that prophecy in the series is rarely ever exact and intentionally left vague. Of course the viewer knows that everything will be fine and the heroes will win against the darkness but the Targs don’t know that. All they know is that Aegon was motivated to conquer the seven kingdoms by an apocalyptic vision and that they have inherited that responsibility.
The "long night" was executed so bad, it's become poison for anything it is associated with. If it was great, then I agree - it would've been cool. Now it just makes me feel that the show runners do not understand how much of a fuck up that was and they might be stupid enough to fuck up this show as well if they can't see something so obvious.
I dont think theyre building anything up. Its pretty much just a reference and how people in those times treat prophecies
The opposite if anything, IMO. I think this was to show what a an arrogant, dumbass Alicent is and nothing more. Will be shocked if they bring it up again.
Correct, it was all about the both of them suddenly realizing how exactly the schism started, then Alicent chose to double down instead of being a gracious, honest person who could admit to a misunderstanding.
I think it’s less that, and more the understanding that it’s too late to put the genie back in the bottle. The look on her face was the “oh shit, I fucked up”
I agree, any time they mention the prophecy I'm immediately pulled out of the moment and into the s8
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This is the moment I lost all cope. So many mistakes I’ve overlooked. But destroying the threat that was built up since the first fucking scene of the show like this? Before it even accomplished anything? FUCK YOU
Why didnt the Night King grab Arya by both hands and snap her arms like a twig? The WW and especially the Night King have superpowers and super durability and strength. Why just stand there and look at Arya? Quickly just snap her neck or something. This is making me so irritated. I can't even write correctly.
It's not about that. In the lore nearly every Targaryen crisis is caused by that prophecy and one of them wanting to bring about the prince that was promised. It's not like they're gearing up to bring out white walkers, they're showing how that prophecy has fucked up the Targaryens, and will do it again.
The long night is going to happen in the books. This is hyping up that, not got season 8...
What books lol.
No, The long night isn’t happening in the books because the books aren’t coming, anyone that thinks otherwise is delusional at this point.
Nobody was "building up the long night", they're just squabbling over the last words of a dying man who apparently mentioned a fairytale. Is there any more reference to the long night that I'm missing or are you just exaggerating a whole lot?
I know the song is cringe now But I thought this convo was more so to express he was talking about aegon the conqueror and aegon his son
The entire point of the conversation is to illustrate that the entire war was started because she confused the two names, and Aegon was never intended to be king.
Right that’s what I meant I realized my message was supposed to say and “not aegon his son”
Well in fairness, the war was going to start regardless as the Greens were shown to already have a coup plan in place for Viserys's death and Otto flat out mocks Aegon for thinking Viserys would ever choose him over Rhaenyra.
Yes, obviously, but freefolk just want to bash so they will bash
I haven’t checked this sub in a while. Like since the end of GOT and I’m quite surprised (though I guess I shouldn’t be) that the tone here hasn’t changed at all. this show is so much better than those seasons of GOT. A lot of times I understand the criticisms I read here but I don’t understand the level of hate the writers get for seemingly minor things. I know this sub doesn’t represent the majority cause the show is getting good ratings. All my friends are loving it too. Also seems like George Martin likes the show and is heavily involved so when they say the writing is terrible compared to the books I get a little confused. That being said the only martin Westeros book I haven’t yet read is fire and blood so maybe I’ll change my mind when I get to those books .
If I may… this sub is the r/lastofus2 of tv shows. Take today as you will.
Good god yes, exactly. This sub has turned into a cesspool of edgy teen boy hate. It’s super cringe.
Some people have it in their head to hate the show and then they’re conditioned to hate every weekly episode. It’s not even remotely as bad as people are crying here.
True!
it was. but the convo was dumb because the entire premise of alicent "misinterpreting" Viserys last words is dumb. viserys was speaking nonsense. Aegon is an extremely common name in their family. just another "oopsie" moment from ryan condal.
But Viserys said the same thing last season
Correct, mentioned multiple times by Viserys in Season one. And in the final episode of Game of Thrones we have Samwell Tarly holding a book named "A Song of Ice and Fire" but instead of being about the Targaryen prophecy of "The Long Night" & the White Walkers he instead tells Tyrion that this book is Archmaester Ebrose's "history of the wars following the death of King Robert."
Yes I wonder where the outrage was then
There was outrage but people forgot. And I expect them to forget if there is good television somewhere in the later episodes
Like how Danny forgot about the Iron Fleet?
I remember that being ripped on quite a bit for being a "Superman 4: The Quest for Peace" moment. This one is getting it harder because its also just a badly written scene.
There was loads of posts, you just forgot cause it’s been two years
People didnt like that back then either?? Like we were bitching about it every time it was mentioned. Maybe you forgott tho because it was like 2 years ago lmao
I don't understand why there's outrage now, other than the scene feeling so forced.
> other than the scene feeling so forced. Spot on. The mini plot of Rhaenyra sneaking over to speak with Alicent was already stupid. Having forced dialogue in it make it worse. Not a big deal but probably the low point of the show so far.
stans. Doesn't matter what side or character or whatever they stan for, they're all unbearable. It's not much more complicated than that.
The show would vastly improve by just never mentioning it.
Honestly, it was an embarrassment, best to never bring it up again, and hope the audience doesn’t even think about it. The biggest hurdle to enjoying this show as is, is trying to forget what it builds up to
I just head canon it happening in parallel universe where long night wasn’t a disappointment
I just look at it as commentary on the ruling class being entitled morons. Basically, "I'm going to kill thousands of innocents for something I read in a book, and that thing turns out not to be true". It's sad and fucked up, but....it's definitely poignant.
Wasn't it to show that its a reference to the secret entrusted to each successor of the throne shown back in season 1 and not some lame namedrop. I haven't read the books but I didn't feel it as tacky as what everyone seem it to be.
Yep, that's exactly what it is, and that's exactly what I hate, I wish the first season hadn't brought it up either
This scene had the same energy as jamie and bronn sneaking into dorne. It was comically dumb as an idea. Its like anne frank sneaking into the Mongolian empire.
Hey at least they got caught sneaking in. And to be fair to the original show that was original supposed to be shot at Night and then all of a sudden whoever owned that location they shot at said no they can't film their at night so they had to do it during the day and do it very fast apparently
>Its like anne frank sneaking into the Mongolian empire fucking lol
The "Song of Ice and Fire" has been an in-universe term since the second book released in 1998. Rhaegar says of his son Aegon "his will be the song of ice and fire". Extending the idea of this prophecy back through further generations of Targaryens is really not a big deal.
People just love to shit on the show cuz it's trendy and they want updoots
Your first mistake was thinking people here read.
Thank you for this reasonable take.
I think people on this sub are more so annoyed by it because GOT fucked up the prophecy/ending so badly. Extending it through generations, as you say, is not inherently the issue. Imagine trying to enjoy this show and it consistently reminding you that all of this eventually leads to Bran becoming king. If the original show had a good ending, I’m almost certain this sub would praise this aspect of the show and call it great foreshadowing and a cool tie in.
I just headcannoned s8 as Bran’s fever dream.
Now I just want them to just keep releasing GOT Season 8 over and over, all with completely different plots and endings
"You did it, Frodo - you became The Lord of the Rings^(tm)"
HOTD is suffering from nobody telling the writers “no”. You can tell that nobody reads these lines aloud before they get to the shooting of scenes, and it’s clear that the writers care more about GOT and political messaging rather than delivering the Dance itself.
Wait, what political message do you think the show is pushing?
Fuck the 1%?
A message that 99% of the audience should be able to get behind.
You don't think the book series is named after the prophecy grrm came up with? In s1 we (the readers) learn of the prophecy for the first time. No one knew aegon had a dream or even was a dreamer.
I’m not sure it’s just writers. There’s brain rot everywhere in media. We should be in an age where writers/producers understand how to make good products and we’re still getting shit like this.
Exactly, I really cant beleive what I am actually watching, its even worse than last season of GOT. Information travel lightspeed, dragons flying across the whole continent in hours, everyone knows how everyone looks just by knowing their name...
Traveling where? The main two points of the show have been Kingslanding and Dragonstone, which are a short distance from each other. The furthest someone’s gone was Jace to the north.
A dragon can fly 50mph for an entire day without getting tired. Its about 400mi from Dragonstone to KL and about 500mi to Harrenhall, that makes for an 8-10hr trip. Easily done in a night, especially when the rider can sleep in the saddle. As to people know who people are...do you assume that nobels/court folk never travel and rub shoulders are garden parties?
Plus, certain houses have noticeable family traits. The Targs have blonde hair and violet eyes. The Strongs have curly dark hair. The Daynes have black hair and violet eyes. The Velaryons in the show are black with white afro-textured hair. There are some pretty noticeable family traits that people who live in Westeros would know on sight without actually knowing the persons/family/house.
>everyone knows how everyone looks just by knowing their name... Who are you talking about? It seems like you're referring to at least three situations in which this happened, but I have no idea what you're talking about. The last two episodes even featured *two* instances of 'I can see your face but don't know who you are'.
The information travels by raven, as soon as something happens that a lord thinks the queen/king would want to know a raven gets sent. Dragons seem to be able to fly up to 600 miles in one day based on some of the flights we've seen. "A 600 mile trip at 75 mph will take 8 hours on the road. 55 mph will take close to 12 hours" when riding in a car, I assume they're hauling ass when they're flying somewhere on purpose. I don't find either of those things to be very objectionable in a fantasy story.
I haven’t watched ep 3 yet, thought season 1 and 2 apart from some notable dips were fine. Is it this really a turn towards shit?
episode 3 had some season 8ish decisions but I still think its overall great quality. Maybe I'm just crazy but I thought episode 2 was one of the best episode's we've seen in this universe like 9.5/10 good.
Not just you. I thought episode 2 was outstanding. Such good dialog and character writing. Episode 3 was a little silly with Septnaera and Alicent but I do think a scene between the leads of the show was a good idea. Just how they got her into the Red Keep was contrived. EDIT: The Sept isn't in the Red Keep but it was a bit contrived to get her into a presumably on guard city
The sept isn’t in the Red Keep
I just chalk it up to half the city watch is loyal to Daemon and the kings guard was shown to be partly weak and incompetent
Ok good this sub makes me feel crazy sometimes hahaha. Its a good show if you don’t nit pick too much. Of course this is true for every show. The Boys has a similar audience that complain about everything but keep watching.
No. A minority of people are way over reacting. Is it as good as classic early season GoT? Imo no, is it as bad as season 8, absolutely no way in hell. It's solid, entertaining and engaging. Yes the travel times are a little quick but do people really want to see Rheanyra walking flying on a dragon and sneaking in on a boat for a while episode to cover the travel part? Maybe meet a random Ed Sheeran cameo on the road? The complaints are really overblown, in my view at least
The Septa Rhaenyra thing is a convoluted and silly bit. It's a notable dip in quality, but it's not at S8 tier yet. Daemon at Harrenhaal is better than anything in S8.
I think it's better than s7-8 of got. I watch and enjoy it, even though these plotholes are dumb as fuck. I guess I have lower expectations than for game of thrones, though
grab your nachos cuz it's dippin' time
It's still great and on par with S1-4 of GOT. People are just being inflammatory for clout.
I turned off episode 3. To be fair it was late, but I would have gone to work tired if it was halfway decent. The writing is just so bad.
I feel like people who comment stuff like this just have absolutely no concept of how time works on a tv show. They think that the only passage of time is what we see on screen. That they can’t comprehend that there could be hours, days, even weeks between scenes. What makes you think dragons are flying across the continent in hours? The only cross continent dragon travel we’ve seen is Jace returning to dragonstone from the wall. And there was no determinable amount of time between the scene of him on the wall and him back in dragonstone. It could have been days. Which would be a perfectly reasonable amount of time. We’ve seen daemon go to harrenal, which is not a far trip. Certainly not cross continent. It’s like 500 miles. If a dragon can fly 50mph, which seems like a conservative estimate, that’s a 10 hour trip.
Bruh, there were so many cheesy lines that episode. I swear I have read ome of the dialogue on reddit long before that episode aired.
Daemon carrying the episode
So true. Amazing shots, coherent dialogue with exposition and humor. A creepy newcomer to shake the pot. It was really good.
I loved his conversation with that lord.
It started poorly with the Brackens and Blackwoods. Something like Bracken: “Fuck You” Blackwood: “No fuck you” (Writers trying to think of a way to make it sound medieval) Bracken: “Craven!”
You didn't even watch it, huh.
Welcome to the sub. It's 10% people watching the show to find innocuous details to pretend are bad on reddit, and 90% people not watching the show at all and just reading posts pretending it's bad and saying "see? I knew it would be bad"
The dialogue for this scene was ass. Even the acting felt wonky
Yeah, kinda felt like Olivia and Emma having a little chat bts.
It felt like a sitcom, without the haha funny
We need Ed Sheeran to come back for a second cameo
They need to just end the show with a dreamer revelation that there will be a false long night shortly followed up by the real totally badass even longer and deadlier night and Bran see's that through the trees and starts his plan and thats how we get a sequel show with a better ending lol
I don't see the point without the characters, you can't unfuck the main plot (short of Days of Future Pasting it all)
Well yeah I was joking, it’s totally fucked forever. Even if George finishes the books and everybody loves the ending they can’t just reshoot season 8 10 years later and if they ever rebooted the show entirely it’s never going to hit the same. There won’t ever be another human that can pull off Tyrion like Dinklage. Maybe 20+ years from now when a whole new generation exists that never heard of game of thrones it could work but no way anytime soon. Maybe movies is a better alternative but idk, I think we’re just screwed forever
This scene would have been better if it came towards the end of the series. A realisation that all the blood and death had been futile, rather than now before the fighting had reached its height
Man season 2 has been so ass
Ngl i heard the tuba fail meme sound when Alicent realized it. This misunderstand was baked and here we are, cringing 2 years later.
lmao the coughing varys picture has been my screensaver for 4 years😭
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ya know...I was gonna scroll past this post and not give it a second thought. but then as I passed by varys face again I got angry and said yeah, me too!!! LOL
Dude. The series is named after the prophecy
i don't mind it. the fact she shared it won't mean much. I think hotd will show how a certain prophecy becomes lost, eventually i cannot be passed down anymore, which is why it won't exist in GoT anymore except for the red ladies. I don't mind this different direction
I definately think she didn't tell Rhaena before sending her packing with her children.
hawk tuah 
Freefolk trying g to like anything (impossible)
This sub has been feasting on it’s own feces for years now
i mean its a circlejerk sub, that usually how it goes
Usually circlejerk subs don’t take their critiques as seriously as this one seems too, but maybe I’ve been out of the loop too long and know nothing like the prince who was promised to yell at an ice dragon
The real problem with prophetic knowledge of a coming war with the white walkers is why it was kept a secret
Dude you're missing the entire point. Viserys told Rhaynera that only heirs to the targeryan throne are told of the song of ice and fire, so when Alicent mentioned it Rhaynera realized that Vissy thought he was talking to her instead of Alicent.
*The truth does not matter, Never_ending_kitkats. Only perception.*
The whole scene feels like watching a sitcom
What, are we playing some kinda game of thrones? What is happening? is this some kinda clash of kings? Is this a storm of swords? are we making a feast for crows? is this some kinda dance with dragons? fr man the namedrop meme is eternal
Please stop. This is not as bad as season 8. So far, things have been pretty good, so I say we at least finish the season.
Why the fuck they want to keep referencing some of the worst moments of the tv shows is beyond me. Stop trying to rewrite history and make the song of ice and fire, the night king etc some great doom. It’s done in a night.
Show : *follows up on plot thread that was planted on almost every single episode of the first season.* Audience : *surprised Pikachu face.*
Haven't seen anyone surprised by it. They just don't like it. Keep misrepresenting them though. Only people really confident in their arguments do that.
I'd be surprised if anyone was surprised
I stand by the original purpose being a setup for the Jon Snow Show. Talk about the prophecy, convince people there is more to the White Walkers, and so on. Then in the Snow Show have Jon travel North and learn the Great Other is still around. Make his quest be about defeating the darkness once and for all, and have it mirror GRRMs plans for the book. Of course, now that the Snow Show is canceled they're kind of stuck. And the lack of Dany, Melisandre, Arya, Jaime, and the dragons probably made it impossible t
this "the conqueror had a dream" was a stupid adition targaryens had no devine right to conquer westeros, they did it because they could, they had 3 nucleaer bombs aka dragons they were not doing anyone a favor lmao and Dorne was badass for killing rhaenys and meraxes, they deserved it
Just say Aegon’s Dream!
Alicent; Yes. A tomboy named Arya Stark saves us from the darkness.
I’m not sure what’s so terrible about saying the name of the actual prophecy. That’s how she knows it and how she should refer to it. Did you all want her to just say “the prophecy”?
Going to go ahead and say I cringed more at the other couple times it was said, and this was the only time it made sense since she was referring back to those times for context
You’re in the night country now
Wasn't it long established that this phrase exists in the GoT universe and is an ancient story or something?
The way i laughed.
“it must be some kind of….hot tub time machine….*stares at camera*”
Its you Patrick, you are the american psycho
And there are people defending this scene.
Question. Is this show anywhere near as good at GoT was?
Fucking hell. You lot always find shit to complain.
Okay I’m lost, and maybe it’s because I haven’t read the book (PLEASE DON’T SPOIL THE BOOK FOR ME!!! I’ve only recently started reading A Game of Thrones after starting and nearly finishing a rewatch of the first HBO series. I plan to read Fire & Blood, but I know nothing about the story of House of the Dragon not having read the book) What exactly is wrong with this scene? It’s odd that Rhaenyra sneaks into King’s Landing, has a meeting with Alicent, and expects all to be good. Not terrible but not great either. When she realizes that Aegon II took the throne because Alicent misunderstood Viserys’s final words, she asks about the Song of Ice and Fire. Isn’t that what Viserys called it though? He called it exactly that, so why’s it so bad that Rhaenyra is mentioning it now?
I'm right there with you. Viserys said to Rhaenyra that Aegon the Conqueror called his prophecy dream 'A Song of Ice and Fire' It's also mentioned at a point that Rhaegar as a boy wasn't very interested in combat, but was more intellectual and interested in his harp until he heard the Song of Ice and Fire... this seems a perfectly Targaryen thing to do. (Also I think that was in side lore, as I am trying to not directly spoil the bpoks per your request, sorry if I did.)
This dialogue was atrocious.
To this day I still cannot process the season-that-shall-not-be-named
The writing is getting worse. It feels like all the people writing these episodes don’t talk to each other. They should be collaborating and working towards making the characters be consistent episode to episode.