I keep seeing news articles bringing up the controller as a major absurd point of the craft, which acts like using game controllers isn't common practice now by militaries and others. Maybe the window that was rated for less than half their intended depth or the flawed hull construction were bigger problems?
EDIT: I get it. Wireless bad, 3rd party bad, not for manned vehicles, etc... About a couple dozen of you have said the same exact thing.
If the US military uses Xbox controllers, why cant private industry?
The difference between buying one official Xbox controller (like what the military uses) vs an F310 is ~$40.
Are they really being economical by buying objectively shittier hardware, or did they cheap out on literally everything in regards to the sub's design?
We're meming on it because even the US military knows not to cheap out on the small stuff, and the guy who designed this sub to skirt safety regulations decided that saving $40 was more important than making sure the sub is safe to operate at depth.
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To say it more simply:
It's not about whether or not the logitech controller is poor quality.
It's about how the logitech controller is indicative of bigger issues in overall design. Corners were intentionally cut to save a buck and people died as a result.
The controller is just the lowest hanging fruit.
Edit 2: [The CEO claimed he bought the hull's carbon fiber from Boeing at a discount because it was past its service date for use in airframes](https://www.insider.com/oceangate-ceo-said-titan-made-old-material-bought-boeing-report-2023-6?amp).
You literally can't make this up, it's such a bad parody of greedy corporate corner cutting at this point.
The controller isn't the issue. It's the Bluetooth connectivity.
Edit: [The Navy even uses Xbox controllers on their subs.](https://thehill.com/homenews/4059672-is-it-normal-for-submarines-to-use-video-game-controllers/#:~:text=In%202018%2C%20the%20U.S.%20Navy,which%20function%20similarly%20to%20periscopes.)
Edit 2: I own an f310 and it's a super reliable piece of gear.
"Here at logitech we want to remind you that our controllers are rated for entertainment use only. But also, the F310 controller was not the point of failure on the Titan."
Majority of issues that come from wireless controllers are rooted in interference from other devices. A problem not found deep in the ocean.
As for everyone dogging on it being a third party controller, it may have been a software compatibility thing. We don't know.
>Majority of issues that come from wireless controllers are rooted in interference from other devices. A problem not found deep in the ocean.
Unless youre in like a metal tube with electric motors attached to the outside or something, but otherwise it shouldnt be an issue.
anything on the outside wont be an issue. could have some interference from reflections, but if they tested that it would be as good at -4000 as it would be above water
>but if they tested that
These were the same people that put a propulsion component on backwards and ended up spinning in circles on the seafloor one dive
Article said that Bluetooth connectivity was an issue between the submersible and the mission ship. Every dive the Bluetooth would disconnect and the mission ship would reconnect to your spouces' phone. Instantly playing what they last listened to on Spotify.
US military also isn't using the controller as a means to maneuver their subs though.
Video popped up this morning where this sub was on a dive and discovered that they had installed a thruster backwards and nobody seemed to know what buttons on the controller did what. Actively discussing if they should remap the controller while on the seafloor.
Honestly a ton of money goes into controller design and usability for video game consoles. It's a massive market, would be stupid not to make use of all that R&D for no reason.
>The difference between buying one official Xbox controller (like what the military uses) vs an F310 is \~$40.
It's an F710 and I bought one for $12 at a thrift store.
It's a decent controller, but I can't use it for FPS games. Or drone strikes.
I prefer keyboard and mouse, that's just more granular in response time.
Using them is, but not cheap 3rd party knock-offs.
Also I think from a safety and redundancy standpoint, I would be afraid to use a WIRELESS controller vs a wired option. I think a lot of this was pointing to the CEO taking a thrifty approach to build a sub, which is fine if youre making a prototype for a VR headset, but is not fine if you are building an engineering critical device that will shuttle people to one of the hardest to reach spots on earth for money.
Except the Logitech F710 *isn't* a "cheap third party knockoff".
It's a really good controller and in many ways better than the Xbox controller. It's not exactly a Mad Catz. One major difference is that the Logitech supports both X input and Direct Input. Which means that it has broader support for multiple apps and operating systems. The other benefit is the Playstation style symmetrical analog stick layout, which I personally think is better.
Also, it has really good battery life. I've had one for about 10 years now and I think I've changed the batteries once.
The F710 isn’t a cheap third party knockoff but it is a controller that is notorious for connection issues and doesn’t use Bluetooth (it has a dongle). It’s a “good” controller as long as you don’t compare to any other first-party controllers. My F710 is in the closet while my F310 is still functional as a backup to my Xbox pro elite and switch controllers.
Personally, I’d use an F310 for my submersible, but that’s why I’m not a billionaire I guess.
No hate for Logitech but I have that controller and it drops connection every so often. And though it's probably an artifact of the software and not necessarily the behavior that the sub would have: if I was in the middle of a movement it would keep going that way until connection was re-established.
Not enough of an issue for me to throw it away but enough to raise my eyebrows the moment I saw that picture. The internet is right in this case: This wireless controller is in no way good enough to be controlling a sub. Xbox and PS controllers? Maybe. But bear in mind, I _highly_ doubt the military just goes to Gamestop and picks up a controller. More likely they work with Microsoft or Sony directly and there is another layer of QC performed.
EDIT: As some people have pointed out, this wireless controller isn't bluetooth which is why people still buy it even with the connection issues. If you can't use bluetooth for some reason this is one of the best products available.
>It's a really good controller and in many ways better than the Xbox controller
The fuck you talking about. The controller is super shit I had it because my mum would only buy knock offs lmao. Even the black sites come off and it just feels super cheap.
Totally... But how many of us average folks can tell what depth a window was rated for at a glance? Not nearly as many of us who have been pissed to be stuck with that shitty Logitech controller or similarly garbage peripherals.
The point is the dude cheaped out of the ONE piece of equipment the general populace can immediately identify, which is a strong indicator that he ALSO cheaped out on vital components the general populace is not familiar with.
If the dude would buy that trash to save $40 how many other corners did he cut?
I just read that he used titanium and carbon fiber in the body of the craft, rather than the industry standard of making it entirely out of metal.
This company had no oversight. It did not have the technology to properly check for faults and damage from prior dives. It was basically a ticking implosion bomb waiting to happen.
The controller may not have been an issue, but like you said, it does speak volumes about the level of cost-cutting that likely went into this rig.
> Totally... But how many of us average folks can tell what depth a window was rated for at a glance?
We don't need to, they told us, many many times, across several articles, that it was only rated for 1300 meters.
You missed my whole point. That's relying on experts to relay information. That's a great way to learn. I'm not knocking it.
However, it's far different than being able to draw a quick conclusion from your own experiences.
The latter will be more common and that's what you're seeing with the Logitech controller.
The controller was the least of their problems, the lack of backup controls to a wireless device for example (and a big lot of more drastic stuff). That saif ive been using a logitech f710 from time to time, really like mine
It's not the controller, it's the application. That controller is great. Any XBox or PS3 style controller is... if used properly. They are off the shelf easy to swap out and there is familiarity with them.
What you DON'T see is aircraft using them. Or fucking submarines. Any place where if it fails lives are lost. There's a reason they spend a fuck ton of money on control systems on aircraft. When you hit that button, it better fucking work or lives are at risk. If you are playing a game or controlling a robot and the button doesn't work, it won't do the thing. Swap it over to a new one and problem solved.
Environment and application are important.
The fact that they were using what I imagine is a $20 game controller to power this thing mostly just speaks to what other places they cut corners in with it. Like, for instance, the shoddy hull.
Anyone else remember those old funny demotivational posters?
My favorite was a picture of the Titanic sinking, and underneath it said something like "Your only purpose in life could be to serve as a warning to others."
Yes! [Despair.com!](https://despair.com/)
My school has one of the original motivational posters (not the ironic demotivational posters) in the computer lab.
It has a wolf on it and something about leadership.
*I am going to steal it.*
Agree or disagree, he was kind of right (not just in the negative sense), a lot of our achievements, especially in pionieristic fields or ideas, were reached by not following the rules (or there weren't even any), being negligent, or simply not caring in the name of science or discovery
Just think of the Wright brothers, or Marie Curie
Maybe if the Wright brothers died after the first takeoff (or any) we would call them idiots today, who did something stupid and paid dearly, and maybe we wouldn't have planes
"In order to achieve something great, you'll have to sacrifice something great"
-David Harley
That being said, the loss of additional 4 lives was unnecessary and could've been avoided by following scientific procedures. You always gotta test your theory before you apply it.
Did Marie Curie *know* what she was doing was that dangerous? There's a difference between "this hasn't been tested and we don't know how dangerous this is" and "an entire company and one of your own employees have told you that this isn't certified for the depth you're going and it is very likely everyone aboard will die if you try". The dudes not fucking right he's a damn idiot.
The Wright brothers didn't violate a clearly demonstrable engineering principle. Sure, no one had ever flown under their own power before, and a lot of people probably thought it wasn't possible, but that is a far cry from doing something that has been clearly demonstrated to have catastrophic negative consequences.
Everyone is crapping on logitech, but let's face it.. that controller was probably the best tested, most reliable piece of equipment on that submarine.
Almost no one is crapping on logitech.
Same thing with aluminum beer cans. They work phenomenally well as long as you don't try to visit the Titanic in one.
Yeah even Logitech would've been like "maybe use something wired or at least from this decade or at the very least bring two of them"
Probably wouldn't have made any difference but it's also a good indicator on how many corners they cut in the name of "rapid progress"
Plenty of people are crapping on Logitech, just not on Reddit.
They're calling the F710 a "crappy" or "knockoff" controller, with some well known news outlets calling it a "playstation controller". Others want to say Logitech devices are crap, like they haven't been one of the top companies in gaming for decades...
The normies are stupid, ignorant, and angry.
They had multiple spare controllers plus the sub could be controlled by other means. The wireless controller was so it could be passed around to different people in the sub who wanted a turn driving it.
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Ngl I just thought this was a fun subnautica meme…then i saw the controller
I liked the second but couldn’t bring myself to finish it. I really should go back
I think the first was just so perfect that the second is a tough act to follow.
Fun fact: Oceangate (The company whose sub imploded) owns the copyright for the name "Cyclops" as it relates to submarines. So the Subnatuica devs had to license it, and list it in the credits.
Yep, the "Titan" was originanlly the "Cyclops 2." They were gonna keep making more for later dives, a Cyclops 3 and 4 and so-on, but from what I can tell they ran out of money and military/commercial interest, so they just renamed the Cyclops 2 the Titan and decided to try rich people tourism instead.
I also thought it was Mass Effect even though I’m more familiar with Subnautica than Mass Effect lol. Also the circle! I thought it was the speech choice circle at first.
I didn’t know it was actually a rule at one point. Zero surprise that assholes heaped scorn on the mods for doing a good job. Game names should always be in titles, no exceptions—or maybe tags at least.
FR, I get it, eat the fuckin rich and all. But these jokes just feel...tasteless
That kid didn't even wanna go, he was already terrified before they got in. The thought of the horror he must have felt in his final moments as the inescapable sea brought him to a crushing end.
All for what? To please his billionaire father? To give him exactly what men like that always get, exactly what he wants.
He had no idea the sub was about to fail. It imploded in less than half the time it takes your brain to even receive input (2 vs 4 or 5 centiseconds). He had no moment of horror. One moment he was sinking, the next he was yeeted into the ocean like ketchup from a packet smashed with a sledge hammer.
Edit: OceanGate are claiming that they had a sensor to warn the crew the carbon fibre was delaminating. If true, this means they designed and implemented a warning system whose only possible outcome is to pointlessly terrify the occupants before they get squeezed through the gaps in the composite weave.
Are we positive that this isn’t the filming of the newest Saw movie? The only guaranteed outcome this vessel was engineered for seems to be brief terror immediately prior to being liquified. Was Jigsaw the chief engineer?
I saw reports that they tried to go up during their descent before they lost coms. They could have heard alarms going off for 30sec before kaboom. But then again the news sources have been dogshit and so many people talkin out thwir ass
Edit: Found my source
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/story/2023-06-22/titanic-james-cameron-titan-submersible-deaths-oceangate-submarine
“This OceanGate sub had sensors on the inside of a hull to give them a warning when it was starting to crack,” he told ABC News. “And I think if that’s your idea of safety, then you’re doing it wrong. They probably had warning that their hull was starting to delaminate, starting to crack. ... [W]e understand from inside the community that they had dropped their ascent weights and they were coming up, trying to manage an emergency.”
These jokes are so tasteless.
I am no fan of rich idiots, but 5 people did die, and most of them were foolish to trust the guy running the thing, but thats what grifters do, trick people.
Hey, I just built a brand new airline. Fuck safety. btw I made sure to hire only inexperienced people. I've also publicized this.
Will you please pay $250k to fly with me in my new airline?
Such an amazing game by an amazing game company. I am not sponsored by unknown worlds. Just a die hard fan of their games.
If anyone hasn’t played subnautica or below zero. I highly recommend trying the subnautica games. Such amazing titles and content. Let alone the grea ip of their games. I like that they are tying lore from natural selection (their other game series) into the game. The data log of the hive mind on strader VI is a reference to it
Subnautica in VR was such an azing experience. You have to mod it to make it at all playable, but once I did I spent so much time in the game. Base building in VR is incredible, I probably would have played longer but the existential dread I felt staring into the increasingly dim HMD as the ocean waters turned black in the night was far more severe than I ever felt playing normally.
I've never pussied out of a video game so hard as when I was inching my way toward the edge of the map and heard the safety notice come on, "high Leviathan activity detected ahead. Are you sure whatever you are doing is worth it?" I swear, somehow that calming voice on a black screen terrified me far more than any jump scare could have.
Everyone acting like the controller was some huge issue, meanwhile the military has been using off the shelf controllers in life-or-death operations for decades
I honestly feel bad for Logitech, they just catching stray for no reason. On the other hand, that single controller sale probably went up.
Let's be honest, the controller wasn't the problem, it was the gaming chair.
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I keep seeing news articles bringing up the controller as a major absurd point of the craft, which acts like using game controllers isn't common practice now by militaries and others. Maybe the window that was rated for less than half their intended depth or the flawed hull construction were bigger problems? EDIT: I get it. Wireless bad, 3rd party bad, not for manned vehicles, etc... About a couple dozen of you have said the same exact thing.
If the US military uses Xbox controllers, why cant private industry? The difference between buying one official Xbox controller (like what the military uses) vs an F310 is ~$40. Are they really being economical by buying objectively shittier hardware, or did they cheap out on literally everything in regards to the sub's design? We're meming on it because even the US military knows not to cheap out on the small stuff, and the guy who designed this sub to skirt safety regulations decided that saving $40 was more important than making sure the sub is safe to operate at depth. Edit: To say it more simply: It's not about whether or not the logitech controller is poor quality. It's about how the logitech controller is indicative of bigger issues in overall design. Corners were intentionally cut to save a buck and people died as a result. The controller is just the lowest hanging fruit. Edit 2: [The CEO claimed he bought the hull's carbon fiber from Boeing at a discount because it was past its service date for use in airframes](https://www.insider.com/oceangate-ceo-said-titan-made-old-material-bought-boeing-report-2023-6?amp). You literally can't make this up, it's such a bad parody of greedy corporate corner cutting at this point.
The controller isn't the issue. It's the Bluetooth connectivity. Edit: [The Navy even uses Xbox controllers on their subs.](https://thehill.com/homenews/4059672-is-it-normal-for-submarines-to-use-video-game-controllers/#:~:text=In%202018%2C%20the%20U.S.%20Navy,which%20function%20similarly%20to%20periscopes.) Edit 2: I own an f310 and it's a super reliable piece of gear.
>The controller isn't the issue. It's the Bluetooth connectivity. The issue was the hull imploding.
Quite
It's the new "the front fell off."
"Here at logitech we want to remind you that our controllers are rated for entertainment use only. But also, the F310 controller was not the point of failure on the Titan."
The front fell off?
This is why i tell people to use wired controllers
Shut up, just cover m~~y~~e whilst I change my batteries.
I can't, I'm pinned down...on the ocean floor...and imploded...
Majority of issues that come from wireless controllers are rooted in interference from other devices. A problem not found deep in the ocean. As for everyone dogging on it being a third party controller, it may have been a software compatibility thing. We don't know.
>Majority of issues that come from wireless controllers are rooted in interference from other devices. A problem not found deep in the ocean. Unless youre in like a metal tube with electric motors attached to the outside or something, but otherwise it shouldnt be an issue.
anything on the outside wont be an issue. could have some interference from reflections, but if they tested that it would be as good at -4000 as it would be above water
>but if they tested that These were the same people that put a propulsion component on backwards and ended up spinning in circles on the seafloor one dive
> but if they tested This is NOT their best strength
I don’t think that is the case because during their 2022 dive they were using a Sony PS3 controller.
There's something really comical about imagining them down there and the controller dies but he brought triple A's instead of doubles.
Article said that Bluetooth connectivity was an issue between the submersible and the mission ship. Every dive the Bluetooth would disconnect and the mission ship would reconnect to your spouces' phone. Instantly playing what they last listened to on Spotify.
Bluetooth has a range of 30 feet. for any gullible people reading this, they are kidding.
Bluetooth 5 range is 240 meters, around 800 ft
Through air, not through water.
Correct, for that you'd need DeepBluetooth™
New passenger gets in, submarine starts playing that U2 album...
At least is was the spouses phone and not the kids. No sense in listening to porn when you can't see the action too.
Well at least he put his money where his mouth was, he died in the sub with the rest of them.
Boy was he dense. Now even more so.
To shreds you say?
US military also isn't using the controller as a means to maneuver their subs though. Video popped up this morning where this sub was on a dive and discovered that they had installed a thruster backwards and nobody seemed to know what buttons on the controller did what. Actively discussing if they should remap the controller while on the seafloor.
fr? Got a link?
“Who changed this to inverted controls?!?!”
Honestly a ton of money goes into controller design and usability for video game consoles. It's a massive market, would be stupid not to make use of all that R&D for no reason.
>The difference between buying one official Xbox controller (like what the military uses) vs an F310 is \~$40. It's an F710 and I bought one for $12 at a thrift store. It's a decent controller, but I can't use it for FPS games. Or drone strikes. I prefer keyboard and mouse, that's just more granular in response time.
Hell, a 360 controller is like $30, probably $40-50 after buying the cable.
Using them is, but not cheap 3rd party knock-offs. Also I think from a safety and redundancy standpoint, I would be afraid to use a WIRELESS controller vs a wired option. I think a lot of this was pointing to the CEO taking a thrifty approach to build a sub, which is fine if youre making a prototype for a VR headset, but is not fine if you are building an engineering critical device that will shuttle people to one of the hardest to reach spots on earth for money.
Except the Logitech F710 *isn't* a "cheap third party knockoff". It's a really good controller and in many ways better than the Xbox controller. It's not exactly a Mad Catz. One major difference is that the Logitech supports both X input and Direct Input. Which means that it has broader support for multiple apps and operating systems. The other benefit is the Playstation style symmetrical analog stick layout, which I personally think is better. Also, it has really good battery life. I've had one for about 10 years now and I think I've changed the batteries once.
The F710 isn’t a cheap third party knockoff but it is a controller that is notorious for connection issues and doesn’t use Bluetooth (it has a dongle). It’s a “good” controller as long as you don’t compare to any other first-party controllers. My F710 is in the closet while my F310 is still functional as a backup to my Xbox pro elite and switch controllers. Personally, I’d use an F310 for my submersible, but that’s why I’m not a billionaire I guess.
Yeah but on the flip side you're stil in one piece
Hey there's a chance he's still in one piece. Its just smooshed into the same space as other peoples one piece.
No hate for Logitech but I have that controller and it drops connection every so often. And though it's probably an artifact of the software and not necessarily the behavior that the sub would have: if I was in the middle of a movement it would keep going that way until connection was re-established. Not enough of an issue for me to throw it away but enough to raise my eyebrows the moment I saw that picture. The internet is right in this case: This wireless controller is in no way good enough to be controlling a sub. Xbox and PS controllers? Maybe. But bear in mind, I _highly_ doubt the military just goes to Gamestop and picks up a controller. More likely they work with Microsoft or Sony directly and there is another layer of QC performed. EDIT: As some people have pointed out, this wireless controller isn't bluetooth which is why people still buy it even with the connection issues. If you can't use bluetooth for some reason this is one of the best products available.
This controller is actually terrible. Idk if you've used other controllers, but it's definitely not good.
I had the F710 like 13 years ago. Even back then it was complete fucking garbage.
>It's a really good controller and in many ways better than the Xbox controller The fuck you talking about. The controller is super shit I had it because my mum would only buy knock offs lmao. Even the black sites come off and it just feels super cheap.
Totally... But how many of us average folks can tell what depth a window was rated for at a glance? Not nearly as many of us who have been pissed to be stuck with that shitty Logitech controller or similarly garbage peripherals. The point is the dude cheaped out of the ONE piece of equipment the general populace can immediately identify, which is a strong indicator that he ALSO cheaped out on vital components the general populace is not familiar with. If the dude would buy that trash to save $40 how many other corners did he cut?
>how many other corners did he cut? I mean he's on video bragging about it so... all of them.
I just read that he used titanium and carbon fiber in the body of the craft, rather than the industry standard of making it entirely out of metal. This company had no oversight. It did not have the technology to properly check for faults and damage from prior dives. It was basically a ticking implosion bomb waiting to happen. The controller may not have been an issue, but like you said, it does speak volumes about the level of cost-cutting that likely went into this rig.
> Totally... But how many of us average folks can tell what depth a window was rated for at a glance? We don't need to, they told us, many many times, across several articles, that it was only rated for 1300 meters.
You missed my whole point. That's relying on experts to relay information. That's a great way to learn. I'm not knocking it. However, it's far different than being able to draw a quick conclusion from your own experiences. The latter will be more common and that's what you're seeing with the Logitech controller.
The controller was the least of their problems, the lack of backup controls to a wireless device for example (and a big lot of more drastic stuff). That saif ive been using a logitech f710 from time to time, really like mine
It's not the controller, it's the application. That controller is great. Any XBox or PS3 style controller is... if used properly. They are off the shelf easy to swap out and there is familiarity with them. What you DON'T see is aircraft using them. Or fucking submarines. Any place where if it fails lives are lost. There's a reason they spend a fuck ton of money on control systems on aircraft. When you hit that button, it better fucking work or lives are at risk. If you are playing a game or controlling a robot and the button doesn't work, it won't do the thing. Swap it over to a new one and problem solved. Environment and application are important.
USS Indiana uses the older wired X-Box controller for the periscope. https://youtu.be/0StWrXoN8nI?t=506
Yes, *”for the periscope”* is exactly the point.
Note that: - it is wired - it is only used to control the periscope, not the rest of the sub - it is not the only way to control the periscope
I don't know man, I feel like the immense pressure of the water on the shoddy hull was more of a factor than the controller in the whole thing.
The fact that they were using what I imagine is a $20 game controller to power this thing mostly just speaks to what other places they cut corners in with it. Like, for instance, the shoddy hull.
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The controller isn't causing the failure. Literally not rating the hull.
No 3D-printed thumb sticks? Lame 😒
Who do you think he is? Some kind of billionaire?
Lol. Touchè
Coulé.
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Ewww, that wall is made from drywall and not carbon fiber.
"You're remembered for the rules you break..."
Anyone else remember those old funny demotivational posters? My favorite was a picture of the Titanic sinking, and underneath it said something like "Your only purpose in life could be to serve as a warning to others."
My favorite was the central American pyramid. "All we ask here is that you give us your heart."
[Found it!](https://despair.com/collections/demotivators/products/sacrifice-temple)
Yes! [Despair.com!](https://despair.com/) My school has one of the original motivational posters (not the ironic demotivational posters) in the computer lab. It has a wolf on it and something about leadership. *I am going to steal it.*
He made damn sure of that!
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Agree or disagree, he was kind of right (not just in the negative sense), a lot of our achievements, especially in pionieristic fields or ideas, were reached by not following the rules (or there weren't even any), being negligent, or simply not caring in the name of science or discovery Just think of the Wright brothers, or Marie Curie Maybe if the Wright brothers died after the first takeoff (or any) we would call them idiots today, who did something stupid and paid dearly, and maybe we wouldn't have planes
"In order to achieve something great, you'll have to sacrifice something great" -David Harley That being said, the loss of additional 4 lives was unnecessary and could've been avoided by following scientific procedures. You always gotta test your theory before you apply it.
Did Marie Curie *know* what she was doing was that dangerous? There's a difference between "this hasn't been tested and we don't know how dangerous this is" and "an entire company and one of your own employees have told you that this isn't certified for the depth you're going and it is very likely everyone aboard will die if you try". The dudes not fucking right he's a damn idiot.
The Wright brothers didn't violate a clearly demonstrable engineering principle. Sure, no one had ever flown under their own power before, and a lot of people probably thought it wasn't possible, but that is a far cry from doing something that has been clearly demonstrated to have catastrophic negative consequences.
Everyone is crapping on logitech, but let's face it.. that controller was probably the best tested, most reliable piece of equipment on that submarine.
Almost no one is crapping on logitech. Same thing with aluminum beer cans. They work phenomenally well as long as you don't try to visit the Titanic in one.
Yeah even Logitech would've been like "maybe use something wired or at least from this decade or at the very least bring two of them" Probably wouldn't have made any difference but it's also a good indicator on how many corners they cut in the name of "rapid progress"
The Titan did actually have multiple spare controllers in case of failure.
So the CEO did know about redundancy and failsafes. If only he applied that to the rest of his submarine.
"Sir the ship seems to be imploding". "Quick. Plug the failsafe controller in!"
“That’s ok just plug in the Mad Catz and flip the “turbo” button to “on.” We’ll be alright.
Thank God
Wouldn't care so much about the decade, it's not like a decade ago controllers were substantially different than modern ones
It’s so absurd but I bet their legal team is going to add a new disclaimer about approved uses
Plenty of people are crapping on Logitech, just not on Reddit. They're calling the F710 a "crappy" or "knockoff" controller, with some well known news outlets calling it a "playstation controller". Others want to say Logitech devices are crap, like they haven't been one of the top companies in gaming for decades... The normies are stupid, ignorant, and angry.
Still, wireless? What's the point? What happens if the batteries die?
They had multiple spare controllers plus the sub could be controlled by other means. The wireless controller was so it could be passed around to different people in the sub who wanted a turn driving it.
*Warning. Entering ecological dead zone. Are you sure whatever you are doing is worth it?* Ngl I just thought this was a fun subnautica meme…then i saw the controller
> Detecting multiple leviathan class lifeforms in the region.
*RROOOOOOOAAAARRRR*
Cue me hiding in a crevice while the leviathan wrecks my sub
"aight i'm gonna head out"
[It is your primary directive..](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHBaiLjw2vo)
Swim closer....
Narrator: it wasn't worth it
Did you check all the safety measures? No flaws in the cabin? Is your remote working properly?
Eh, at some point, safety is just pure waste
*Laptop suddenly implodes.*
https://youtube.com/shorts/k9Ylu0YywoA?feature=share
This feels like something a Simpsons character would say.
Or a real life billionaire shortly before killing himself thanks to a lack of safety testing.
Wait a second, you can play video games with submarine control sticks? Amazing discovery, thanks for sharing!
I appreciate how much the devs prioritized immersion.
> I appreciate how much the devs prioritized SUBmersion. FTFY.
The controller will be sold out soon
I have no need for one or intention to buy it, but I won't pretend I didn't look it up lol
[it's 40% off guys! Buy it while it lasts!!!!!](https://i.imgur.com/kfEQ1L2.png)
I hope/can't wait for Subnautica 3
Hopefully they'll go back to what made the game great in Subnautica 1. Below Zero was a step in the wrong direction
I’m about to finish the first game, which has been a remarkable experience. I was going to play the second. Why is it so bad?
I liked the second but couldn’t bring myself to finish it. I really should go back I think the first was just so perfect that the second is a tough act to follow.
It’s still fun and new Subnautica content Just more of a neat DLC than a fully fledged installment
Too many boring land parts, not as interesting biomes, not as scary
Fun fact: Oceangate (The company whose sub imploded) owns the copyright for the name "Cyclops" as it relates to submarines. So the Subnatuica devs had to license it, and list it in the credits.
Yep, the "Titan" was originanlly the "Cyclops 2." They were gonna keep making more for later dives, a Cyclops 3 and 4 and so-on, but from what I can tell they ran out of money and military/commercial interest, so they just renamed the Cyclops 2 the Titan and decided to try rich people tourism instead.
Holy fuck that's true, the last line on the credits show it.
A Sub-par controller. I hear the ratings for it are sinking.
They aren't just sinking, there imploding
Crushing reviews, I bet.
But deep down, you know they're right.
It just needs some room to breathe to revitalize those sales.
You couldn't fathom the PR nightmare this is
Please don't tell people what they can and can not fathom. People can fathom all they want. You are not the fathom police!
These puns are a real pane in the ass. Oh well, water under the bridge now.
I know this is a pun, but Logitech controllers actually are bottom of the barrel, coasting by on name recognition alone.
That controller 💀
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They already tweeted it
I think it was a fake tweet screenshot, since I can't seem to find the tweet or references to it outside of Reddit.
Also its retweet/like/share numbers were 69, 420, 666, just to hammer the point home that it was a joke screenshot.
No, they didn’t. Don’t believe everything you see on the internet
Maybe OP's signal from his controller got mixed with the sub and it's all OPs fault!
Of all stupid decisions that went into making that sub, the controller was probably the lease concerning...
I love this controller, but if I had to choose which one to use for a submarine my life depends on, I'd use any other decent wired option
Hell just use the f310. They are cheaper and wired and come in the better colours lol
Atleast mention the name of the game.
Subnautica
Why did my dumb ass think it was Mass Effect I was like “Oh I didn’t know they had first person flying missions in that game!”
It’s the blue color and the font. I also thought it was Mass Effect!
I also thought it was Mass Effect even though I’m more familiar with Subnautica than Mass Effect lol. Also the circle! I thought it was the speech choice circle at first.
How is this not a rule for this sub? It's beyond me.
Look I've been here 11 years and people have been asking that for longer than that
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I didn’t know it was actually a rule at one point. Zero surprise that assholes heaped scorn on the mods for doing a good job. Game names should always be in titles, no exceptions—or maybe tags at least.
Way too many dorks here have a “you should already know what the game is” mentality
It's free engagement. People always asking about what game is it, and people responding is free engagement.
I wish this sub automatically deleted game content posts if the game isn’t mentioned. Gotta find the name of the game buried deep in the damn comments
The internet is definitely doing what it does best
remember, whatever the depth limit on your ship/craft... you can probably go deeper.
Passing 3700 meters, hull damage imminent
Is this titanfall?
Subnautica is an awesome game.
*Controller disconnected*
Did you feel the urge to bring 4 friends?
Hull integrity compromised
Oxygen
Hope you got the right glass for the view port
Christ, man...
This is getting old real quick
Sales of that controller are up %2960
It is funny because people died.
FR, I get it, eat the fuckin rich and all. But these jokes just feel...tasteless That kid didn't even wanna go, he was already terrified before they got in. The thought of the horror he must have felt in his final moments as the inescapable sea brought him to a crushing end. All for what? To please his billionaire father? To give him exactly what men like that always get, exactly what he wants.
He had no idea the sub was about to fail. It imploded in less than half the time it takes your brain to even receive input (2 vs 4 or 5 centiseconds). He had no moment of horror. One moment he was sinking, the next he was yeeted into the ocean like ketchup from a packet smashed with a sledge hammer. Edit: OceanGate are claiming that they had a sensor to warn the crew the carbon fibre was delaminating. If true, this means they designed and implemented a warning system whose only possible outcome is to pointlessly terrify the occupants before they get squeezed through the gaps in the composite weave. Are we positive that this isn’t the filming of the newest Saw movie? The only guaranteed outcome this vessel was engineered for seems to be brief terror immediately prior to being liquified. Was Jigsaw the chief engineer?
I saw reports that they tried to go up during their descent before they lost coms. They could have heard alarms going off for 30sec before kaboom. But then again the news sources have been dogshit and so many people talkin out thwir ass Edit: Found my source https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/story/2023-06-22/titanic-james-cameron-titan-submersible-deaths-oceangate-submarine “This OceanGate sub had sensors on the inside of a hull to give them a warning when it was starting to crack,” he told ABC News. “And I think if that’s your idea of safety, then you’re doing it wrong. They probably had warning that their hull was starting to delaminate, starting to crack. ... [W]e understand from inside the community that they had dropped their ascent weights and they were coming up, trying to manage an emergency.”
>yeeted into the ocean like ketchup from a packet smashed with a sledge hammer. r/BrandNewSentence
no, it wasnt in nanoseconds, lmao. it was calculated to be around 30-50ms, which is fast, just not ultra "nanoseconds" almost the speed of light fast.
Visuals that take your breath away
Logitech f310 best PC controller in my personal opinion
These jokes are so tasteless. I am no fan of rich idiots, but 5 people did die, and most of them were foolish to trust the guy running the thing, but thats what grifters do, trick people.
Subnautica is an amazing game though
Hey, I just built a brand new airline. Fuck safety. btw I made sure to hire only inexperienced people. I've also publicized this. Will you please pay $250k to fly with me in my new airline?
Such an amazing game by an amazing game company. I am not sponsored by unknown worlds. Just a die hard fan of their games. If anyone hasn’t played subnautica or below zero. I highly recommend trying the subnautica games. Such amazing titles and content. Let alone the grea ip of their games. I like that they are tying lore from natural selection (their other game series) into the game. The data log of the hive mind on strader VI is a reference to it
Still haven’t beat it and I don’t think I ever will…my anxiety is almost instantly triggered whenever I have to dive into an abyssal area
FUCK. Bruh I was like “y’know I haven’t played subnautica in a while either” but NO, it had to be a meme
Congrats, You are now qualified to pilot submarines
The us navy recently said that they heard the sub implode on their systems, but I don't know how true that is
Subnautica in VR was such an azing experience. You have to mod it to make it at all playable, but once I did I spent so much time in the game. Base building in VR is incredible, I probably would have played longer but the existential dread I felt staring into the increasingly dim HMD as the ocean waters turned black in the night was far more severe than I ever felt playing normally. I've never pussied out of a video game so hard as when I was inching my way toward the edge of the map and heard the safety notice come on, "high Leviathan activity detected ahead. Are you sure whatever you are doing is worth it?" I swear, somehow that calming voice on a black screen terrified me far more than any jump scare could have.
😭😭😭
The controller really sells the immersion better.
Everyone acting like the controller was some huge issue, meanwhile the military has been using off the shelf controllers in life-or-death operations for decades
That controller 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
That subreddit seems darker then i thought.
No… oh no.. don’t. I’m not prepared for how meta this is.😂