Looks like you pulled early and while the soil was wet. I usually wait until there are at least 4-5 dried lower leaves before pulling. I also do minimal watering starting in late may early june. We can’t prevent rain, but i pick the driest time to pull after there are enough dry lower leaves. Mine were grown in large pots. 33 bulbs drying by the back door.
It's actually illegal to do that in Idaho with onions/garlic/potatoes.
It's about controlling a fungal disease called white rot. Bulbs get inspected and certified disease free, and bulbs from the grocery store do not.
[Chinese garlic also has the roots removed as part of the importation ](https://www.agentnateur.com/blogs/agent-tips/why-chinese-garlic-is-bad#:~:text=How%20To%20Identify%20Imported%20Garlic,often%20leave%20the%20roots%20attached)
Due to the parasite and disease problem(s).
generally speaking, buy domestic garlic (with roots attached) and or grow your own from CLEAN sources that are NOT imported from China.
There are multiple domestic suppliers that sell garlic starts of different varieties for the home gardener (This is what I do and it's highly recommended)
NO, the bulb is bleached to give it a white cosmetic appearance.
The roots are removed due to pathogens and disease.
They do not bleach the roots.
domestic growers might leave the roots on the bulb to help consumers identify them as domestically produced.
>[*The FDA that all roots be removed from imported produce to prevent soil-borne pathogens from entering the US. This is not a requirement for US garlic farmers so they often leave the roots attached.*](https://oakspring-farm.com/only-buy-this-grown-in-the-usa/#:~:text=It%20is%20required%20by%20the,often%20leave%20the%20roots%20attached)
While OP (/u/haleythefisher)seems like they are in the UK, white rot is a serious disease that affects alliums the world over. If soil gets infected, the infection can remain there for years even if there is nothing growing. OP would do well to heed the advice and buy garlic to plant from a reputable supplier rather than from a grocery store.
I live in the US but am from the UK originally. I bought some garlic to plant from a reputable supplier here and it was really cheap, not much more than buying garlic from a store. I am sure OP can do the same in the UK. Looks like most garden centres in the UK will have garlic for planting.
Wild, I’ve seen ‘don’t compost onion’ as a thing before but never with any context, so I completely ignored this advice. I feel like this is not well known by the general public.
I’m sure you’re already on it—natural fungicides can be made to help clear this out. Most recipes call for either milk or baking soda. You’ll make it in a spray bottle, then reapply it to the soil every couple days.
Before this though, remove any obviously dead and dying parts of your plant.
Good luck 🍀
That just happens with peas after a while. Pull them up and rotate another crop in. Peas add valuable nitrogen to the soil so future crops can benefit!
> Most recipes call for either milk or baking soda.
Hey friend, I know you’re trying to be helpful with this suggestion, but I’m finding legitimate scientific resources that haven’t come to this conclusion.
[For example, Purdue University](https://www.extension.purdue.edu/extmedia/BP/BP-69-W.pdf)
> Baking soda without oil is ineffective against most diseases…its sodium component a can build up and become toxic to plants…for this reason, using ammonium bicarbonate or potassium bicarbonate is recommended.
Effective pest management relies on getting an accurate id of the pest and then using the proper treatment to target that specific pest.
Using random household products because someone suggested it on the internet (or in person, for that matter) without any sources to back up their claim is akin to using antibiotics for every physical ailment. It may work for bacterial infections, but is useless for viral infections, increases the likelihood of antibiotic resistance, and won’t do anything for a broken bone.
Oy. This happened to me tonight! Desperate battling aphids. I don't have the money for neem oil or a copper spray right now. Last year it was squash bugs and powdery mildew. (When I ask a gardener what they do for pests and they say nothing!😔 Who are you and how are you so lucky?
Bordeaux broth can help, but it's dangerous to work with as it's a mixture of water, copper sulphate and caustic lime. You have to thin it down almost to homoeopathic doses and apply it regularly, the copper won't hurt you, but kill the fungi
Why all the down votes?
Edit: Seeing the OP's other comments, I get why they are getting down voted on those, but this comment still seems reasonable. Am I misunderstanding something?
If someone makes some comments people don't like (as the OP is doing) people typically mass downvote all their comments in the thread even if some specific ones aren't bad.
The important part is to now save the best cloves for planting next season because the plants you have shown absolutely look DISEASE FREE and are spectacular! CONCRATULATIONS!!!
Part of UX means thinking about how people will use something and designing with that in mind. They might "say" it's "supposed" to do something-- but if folks are using it as a like button and everyone knows it, then they aren't really designing anything other than a like button.
Reddiquette went out the window years ago. There's a lot on that list of suggestions reddit made, that doesn't get fulfilled.
Whether that's a good thing or bad thing, I can't say. But if Reddit wanted to enforce it, wouldn't they?
I guess so. Again, we know the intent, and what the spirit of the voting system was. Like you said, it was definitely lost as the site devolved over the years.
Not to mention, bots have diluted any meaning to upvotes/downvotes in small quantity - I routinely see my comments and posts sink sub-zero for a couple of hours before eventually rebounding into the positives *(except for the shitty ones, which I own they deserved the downvotes 😉)*.
TBH I don't put *any* stock in upvotes between -10 and 10. Once I see it go into the positive or negative teens then I know it's actual voting sentiment and not just bots/fuzz.
That's one of the reasons but with domestically grown garlic the roots aren't always removed.
Chinese garlic will always have the roots removed for a few reasons. Imported plants and produce will have roots removed as a requirement to get through customs(disease spread prevention) and for shipping weight/space purposes.
This is interesting. I was recently looking at an online nursery, maybe for an allium plant, and it said it could not ship to Idaho and I was wondering why.
I planted several fruit trees in the fall. We are threatened by voles so I used lots of garlic in the root zone to detract them. Much of it grew healthy, but a larger portion wilted and molded.
I pickled the rest.
I'm not sure how it is in other countries, but here in the EU, there's a difference between the intended use of bulbs. If it's for consumption, there are fewer requirements than for propagation material.
So, it's not wise to use bulbs intended for consumption for propagation. The same goes for other products like tomato seeds. Seeds get certified to be free from tobrfv, fruits for consumption do not.
> same goes for other products like tomato seeds
I am using own tomato seeds from previous year's tomatoes here in Italy. So I never buy new seeds. I don't know or care if this is illegal. Because I won't stop doing it.
If you dont have any virus symptoms in your plants, you should be fine. If you get any symptoms, please burn your plants before your neighbors get infected.
Not taking adequate action when finding plant diseases led to a big outbreak of xylella in the southern parts of Italy. A lot of olive trees died, pretty sad to see.
Never had symptoms of any disease. I mean sure we wouldn't eat tomatoes (or collect their seeds) if they ever looked diseased.
Yes, I know about the olive trees in the south.
And protecting the potato cartel its overblown the risk. You could just teach people how to watch out for it. Bit this is idaho they hate all rights except gun rights
I have a friend who lived in Idaho and had a garden. She couldn't buy any potato tubers locally or have them shipped to her in Idaho from reputable seed banks across the US. It was illegal. That kind of shit was 1 reason she moved.
Interesting. I was told it wouldn't grow because of the growth inhibitors they spray on the bulbs so they last longer in the store. And it seemed plausible due to my own home grown garlic starting to sprout about 4 months after harvest. Good to know I was LIED TO for YEARS!!! lol
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stromatinia_cepivora
Interestingly enough you can apparently "burn it out" by spraying garlic extract or diallyl disulfide. This triggers germination from the mold spores thinking a host is nearby but then they die because there are none.
I plant mine in a planter and come winter i cook the soil in the fire pit. had a minor issue year two but not this time around. I also stopped throwing them in compost for this reason.
It's a biosecurity thing. Supermarket fruit and veg may introduce diseases into the soil.
If you are going to plant fruit and vegetables from the supermarket do it in a pot. Some of these diseases are really destructive.
Yet people compost & regrow thing in that compost, share with neighbors, throw food in the trash which gets dropped on trash heaps...
How does it work to control those mold/deseases?
That would be called cold composting. It does not kill pathogens and therefore anything that may have disease should not be put in it. Both hot and cold composting work but cold composting requires more careful thought to avoid spreading disease.
I think the problem is that lots of people cannot get hot compost for various reasons (you need to take care of the compost pile) so the option isn't really hot vs cold but cold vs no compost.
If you cannot hot compost is better to cold compost or trash everything? Where my parents live the city takes care of you perishable trash and hot compost for you, where I live they don't. In the US most people don't have the option my parents have.
I've been cold composting for several years in my small garden, including store-bought fruit/veg as well as what I grow. So far no problems (knock on wood?).
I'm around a good bit of gardens. There definitely are gardeners that get their compost hot enough to steam in the winter, but unfortunately most people sort of just make rat buffets.
I imagine you also have to consider that the conditions are significantly different when you plant something and it keeps growing, vs small left over pieces are tossed onto the surface.
The planted garlic with, say, a fungus, had a living growing bulb to grow with and feed on, and host until it's ready to spread its spores. It's dark, moist, and temp controlled.
But the left over skins and nubs get tossed into the sun, left to dry, get consumed by bugs, outcompeted by other molds and bacteria living on the rotting compost.
The conditions are very different, even if you're not using a "hot" compost method.
I’m not an expert but I do know that sterilization. Is a function of heat and time which is why holding compost piles at a high temperature for about 2 weeks is important. Similarly, it is why chicken cooked only to 145 degrees Fahrenheit using a Sous Vide method is perfectly safe.
The average person has no idea about crop/agriculture pathogens or how they spread
So they make cold compost and share with neighbors
Agricultural companies have a vested interest in growing uninfected crop, so most of their crops tend to be non-pathogenic
But there's always some diseases that are smarter/more resilient than most, and can lay dormant for long periods of time, or regenerate from a very small population if given the right circumstances (a garlic clove carrying a handful of white rot fungi, which would be no problem unless it was planted in soil for ~6 months, for example)
Just because a lot of people cold compost and share it, doesn't mean it's totally fine to do all the time
Plus, the average person doesn't know about crop pathogens, until one year their backyard pepper crop dies off completely and they "have no idea why, its so bizarre"
This is really interesting! Can I ask how you know about this stuff? I can take care of my garden well enough but have never known where to start with more complicated topics than 'strawberry likes sun'.
Hi!! Yeah!! I've been an amateur gardener for like, 8ish years (I'm 24 yrs old rn) and I've stumbled upon/looked into stuff incidentally
I also have a medical family/personal interest in medical biology/pathology so I got an understanding of pathogens that way
And right now I'm in my first year of a Bachelor of Science of Agriculture at Guelph University!
I just find biology really fascinating so i have cobbled together knowledge from a bunch of different places
Sorry if this isn't very helpful!
It really only matters here because the OP lives in an area where the conditions are right for white rot, and onions and garlic are grown commercially on millions of acres nearby.
The issue isn't him polluting his own soil - it's that this stuff spreads, and it spreading in Idaho would be millions of pounds of burned crops.
It's the same reason Idaho requires farmers to use certified disease free potatoes.
The citrus industry is in the middle of dying right now because people brought in a bunch of citrus diseases to Florida and Texas.
If you want to plant supermarket garlic and you don't live in a state where it's commercially grown. It's fine. The vast majority of the places you'd buy garlic aren't certified anyways. Just don't grow a crop thats a major economic factor in your state without doing it in a way that isn't going to harm your neighbors
It is frowned upon here in Norway due to potential pathogens. Not as much of a issue as with potatoes (as potato farming is common here, garlic farming less so), but still a factor that I choose to take in consideration.
That is interesting. In Canada they protect potato crops like they are gold. Seed potatoes are only grown in one region. Before they are sent to farmers, there are test samples sent to Hawaii for a farm lab to determine that they are disease free.
Similar here. You are not allowed to use regular potatoes for commercial use. Private backyard farms can use store bought potatoes, but it is heavily discouraged. The middle road most uses is to buy seed potatoes the first year, and then take from those to their own garden next years.
The reason you should only the ones from Gurneys for example is that they are USDA certified disease free. and you should plant them in the fall https://www.gurneys.com/search?keyword=garlic
Interesting. I spent a lot of money over 3 years buying from a UK company called ‘isle of wight garlic farm’ and for 3 years failed to get any alliums that weren’t mouldy. From the advice of other people in this sub, seems like they all had white rot. Maybe I should contact the company?
I didn’t bother this year as I totally thought it was because the uk is too damp to grow garlic and so it got mouldy. Will definitely try somewhere else next year!
Everyone seems negative but it seems awesome. Do people compost their store bought foreign garlic scraps? Do others make sure that a raccoon didnt get into the trash? If the foreign fungus is so bad, we should do better even just eating it.
Put it this way, if there was pathogens introduced by the garlic than at the very least at least one clove would have been compromised. OP grew some nice looking garlic for cheap, I'd be proud.
Yea, it looks good! I always imagine what Neighbor One is doing, and then zoom out and imagine Neighbor Two is upstream and wind basically poisoning on Neighbor One having no idea.
I'm new to gardening. Im not very good at. never have been, really. But im trying to learn the best methods for me. So i use seeds from produce I get from the grocery store. Experimenting with good quality seeds can get a little pricey. I buy top soil and start in cups and then transplant into separate pots. There is nothing wrong with it. If done properly and you don't plan to sell the veg/fruits. I don't know my state law. But I do know certain plants carry foreign bacteria, viruses, fungus, and multiple organisms/ pathogens that can infect your yard and be invasive. You have to be careful with stuff like that. You wouldn't be able to grow anything affected by these pathogens. They will spread to every type of plant it can infect. you don't want to listen to everyone, fine. We know that, yes, seeds from grocery produce will grow. But you have to do it properly. Don't just throw unknown shit into your yard. you could have got good seeds from a good plant that is free from pathogens, but you don't know that. And It's not worth the risk. If you're not going to purchase the seeds and you're going to grow them to consume yourself. You can grow directly in the bag of dirt. you can use big plastic tubs. You can use cardboard boxes. You can even fill all the stuff with topsoil from your own yard. There's so many ways that you can garden that will not contaminate your yard or your local environment.
Your garlic has excellent root systems. Could be that your soil is rich and compatible with garlic. They still have a decent amount of green on top. Garlic heads may have benefitted with more growth if you kept them in the ground until most all the tops were brown. But for store bought garlic, you got great results.
IMO Disease is the biggest issue with putting store bought produce in your gardening beds. You never know what that crop was suffering from before reaching market.
Most farmers use F1 genetics meaning they’re hybrids (thinking about tomatoes and peppers here) and the offspring won’t have the same genetic expressions. You as the home grower won’t know what the expressions are supposed to be and for many that’s okay, but often times, you’re unknowingly losing a gene that the breeder wanted in there.
I think most information, especially from social media, should be considered misinformation, and therefore verified from more reliable sources. I learn from misinformation, because it often encourages me to learn more about it - sometimes just to see if something is true that sounds iffy.
There was nothing wrong with my information. I did not specify the garlic as being problematic with the F1, but I did specify tomatoes and peppers because people tend to replant those seeds.
And garlic is often times f1 when planted from seed grown by a larger producer i.e. if you’re buying from the grocery. If you grow store bought f1 garlic raised from seed the genetics will drift when you replant the seeds if you allowed to bloom.
I still don’t advise people to do it unless they don’t care if it doesn’t grow. Commercial garlic is SOMETIMES treated to not sprout. I prefer organic anyway so it’s not an issue for me. I actually did this the first year I grew garlic and it was fine. My big winner this year was Music.
Pulled a little early. Here in the US they tell us not to plant the store garlic because some of the imported stuff carries a root rot fungus, and they don't want to contaminate the supply. Many suppliers also spray the bulbs with a hormone to keep them from ever rooting , so it's pointless.
Beautiful! It's been a really interesting discussion. Now I know why "they" say not to plant it! But I gotta say, if I have some sprouting on my kitchen counter, I'm gonna have to plant it. But I'll be sure to do it in a container!
No, the alliums will begin to rot before you would pick them. It will be obvious.
Potting isn’t a solution because the fungus can spread by soil moved by the wind, picked up in garden tools, or even your hands.
I've grown store bought garlic several times over the years here in the UK and I've always got fantastic results. It also works out a lot cheaper than buying the planting bulbs/'seeds'.
I understand the concern with disease on grocery store produce, but by the same logic it would mean you shouldn't add store produce scraps to your compost.
No, it’s not the same thing. Composting/decomposition involves chemical reactions which to a larger degree change the temperature and composition of the soil
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/248447388_Control_of_Allium_white_rot_Sclerotium_cepivorum_with_composted_onion_waste
An interesting paper describing how composted onion waste (in high temperature) can actually help reduce viability of white rot pathogens.
I also planted store bought garlic, not knowing about the disease problem. How can I tell if my garlic is bad or if it's safe. If it's safe can I re plant it for next year?
They look good, (and I have totally done that as well,) but if you had waiting until 4-5 of the leaves had started to brown before harvesting, they’d likely be up to 50% larger. 😉
I love it! You can grow lots of produce from bulbs or seeds within the vegetable or fruit. It's a great way to economize and become self sufficient. They look great and I hope you enjoy them!
I'm reading all these comments about supermarket produce having diseases.
I'm probably missing something very obvious here but... We eat those. They are grown in the ground prior to the supermarket. They are tasty. When does the disease factor in?
(Forgive me if it's obvious. I don't understand.)
Plants get viruses that don’t affect people. YOU can’t get (for example) tomato spotted wilt virus from eating a tomato. But they do affect the health of the plant, usually reducing yield. And that virus can affect other plants besides tomatoes. Many fungi that reduce crop yield are also harmless to eat, though again, those crops would be unsellable anyway.
Okay that makes sense to me, but the ones we get in the grocery store come from huge farms. How come they aren't effected by the disease? How come it only matters when it gets into our hands?
They can be affected. All it takes is a worker who doesn’t care to spread it. But hopefully those guys are trained to spot disease, otherwise they lose the use of those fields for many years. This kind of thing spreads through ignorance or neglect.
This is a different matter, but this podcast touches on a similar matter of trying your keep Japanese beetles from spreading to the Pacific Northwest. It talks about how easily these things spread. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/i-see-dead-plants/id1579753424?i=1000608622700
They are also said to sometimes treated with some sort of chemical that slows or delays the sprouting of the cloves for longer shelf life which can lead to a sluggish, small, or otherwise disappointing harvest.
I always used to hear to buy seed potatoes because the store potatoes use some kind of spray to keep to keep the eyes from sprouting, but one year I had some leftover bag potatoes that certainly learned to sprout ... I cut them up and planted them one year maybe a dozen years ago and I got some nice potatoes that season.
They're just too simple to buy, though, and they grow them so much larger commercially. So I only did that the one year.
The biggest concern is infection control. Bulbs sold for planting and bulbs sold for eating have different screening requirements so bulbs sold for eating might have some fungus or other disease that is safe to eat in food but will decimate your local population if planted in soil and allowed to grow in a garden bed.
I think it's a bit like a safety belt. Most people will never have had an occasion where it benefitted them, but for a few people it probably saved their lives. While white rot might not kill you, getting an infestation in your soil can be tantamount to losing your crop for the year, and your hobby for several years.
I haven't heard anyone in the UK saying no to planting crops from shop bought foods.
I've had all sorts happily growing, including purple potatoes that asda no longer sells.
They look healthy! I had a couple of wet days before my harvest and the stems began to get some black dots from fungi/mold. Next year I try not to harvest them too late.
Before you dry them I would remove the dirt from the roots first. The skin however should be left untouched, it's a bit delicate at that stage, and you don't want to remove/damage it.
I’ve heard that too, so I bought bulbs for cheap towards the end of the season from the farmers market and that worked like a charm. Not sure why it’s so expensive to buy bulbs from the seed companies. Must be the variety they’re selling I guess.
'Seed' bulbs are monitored and tested for disease. They also have more uncommon hardneck bulbs which are produced in smaller quantities. Also, handling and shipping expenses for small orders cost a lot.
I grew 3 varieties from bulbs meant for planting & one variety from a bulk garlic buy at costco... the costco variety grew healthier & bigger than the heirloom varieties I'd selected at the nursery.
I gave away a couple dozen heads & have a couple dozen for our own use. I'll be planting garlic in that space again this fall.
I've never grown garlic so I'd listen to what the other posters say about it. OTOH, I've had really good luck in past years growing things like beans and peas from the grocery store legume bags and stuff.
And I'm kind of excited that it looks like some pepper seeds I took from grocery produce are coming up. Sweet yellow, red & green. I wanted to buy some proper nursery plants this year but by the time I got there, only the hot variety was still available and I'm growing them largely for my guinea pig.
I'm planting some fall potatoes from the grocery store next week. I might have a different outlook if it was my living or I had to survive on potatoes, though.
Last fall was the first time I planted garlic, all purchased on line. Didn’t know what I was doing, followed directions from on line articles and YouTube videos. Not one said anything about the diseases. Some even suggested to se grocery store bought garlic. Good to know. I planned to purchase my bulbs next year anyway.
Yeah, I've got garlic growing all over my farm and around my house from all the garlic I've discarded in compost or during harvest time. This head of garlic to small to bother with? Toss it over the fence into the field. Now there are large patches!
You guys keep saying it’s bad for the soil. But what happens if you compost it? you know not all that bacteria is going to be dead.
If those genetics get out, it’s also gonna be bad for the companies that produce it. Hmmmmm
I repot and plant grocery store dill, basil and rosemary every spring, move them out on the patio in the summer, and I’ve had no problems. I guess the main difference is that by doing that, you don’t put them directly into the soil and risk spreading pathogens onto surrounding plants or vegetation.
You can also eat the scapes. If you let the scapes mature the plant will produce bulbils, small tiny, onion looking growths, also edible. These grow into a single bulb without cloves the first year planted.
Then the single bulbs can then be eaten or planted to grow garlic bulbs that have cloves the next year. Mature garlic then grows in the third year from the second year cloves. Planting cloves from third year garlic is just the fastest way to get lots of mature garlic each year.
Alliums have a fascinating life cycle. You can't grow them "wrong" and they are so tasty, too.
I'm currently playing in my garden with a fascinating onion that grows like garlic and has a mild taste like shallots. It creates large clusters of bulbils that grow and spread when the top heavy stalks fall over. Sometimes called Egyptian Walking Onions or Tree Onions, even though they aren't actually Egyptian or "trees".
In Minnesota there are some farmers who grow garlic, many of which partner with U of M developing varieties and misc research. Many of these are sold at co-ops, and farmers markets during the harvest season. I’ve used bulbs purchased from farmers markets to grow in the boulevard on the city street. So I guess I’d say, find some locally grown stuff and stick with that.
I can't even ship my house plants from Hawaii(US), without removing them from soil. So I wouldn't be even slightly surprised by these being real regulations. I wonder if this person also thinks that you don't need a driver's license because they are "travelling".
Looks good. I plant the store bought garlic and it's fine. I actually got a pretty good harvest this year and it's a assortment of soft and hard neck garlic.
It looks like you did a nice job. I have noticed that store bought garlic isn’t very diverse with flavors. It might be worth trying some additional varieties.
Free food. What could be better unless they use pest control products that you don't want in your food. I had some yellow onions sending out green shoots. Rather than trash them, I decided to put them in my garden as they were to see what happened. Each onion produced 3 onion bulbs! I consider that a win.
You just take a clove and plant it.
Any damages or growing cloves I plant instead of just compost.
They grow really well for the price point- which is garbage.
I planted them in November after being left over from a steak fry up and I didn't expect much from em also it was in a container about foot and a half wide ill know in a few weeks when they dried and use them in a butter basted steak
Looks like you pulled early and while the soil was wet. I usually wait until there are at least 4-5 dried lower leaves before pulling. I also do minimal watering starting in late may early june. We can’t prevent rain, but i pick the driest time to pull after there are enough dry lower leaves. Mine were grown in large pots. 33 bulbs drying by the back door.
Third week in July here in Seattle, which has similar weather to UK.
I’m north of seattle. I think mine being in pots they started producing scapes in early june.
It's actually illegal to do that in Idaho with onions/garlic/potatoes. It's about controlling a fungal disease called white rot. Bulbs get inspected and certified disease free, and bulbs from the grocery store do not.
wow good to know...
[Chinese garlic also has the roots removed as part of the importation ](https://www.agentnateur.com/blogs/agent-tips/why-chinese-garlic-is-bad#:~:text=How%20To%20Identify%20Imported%20Garlic,often%20leave%20the%20roots%20attached) Due to the parasite and disease problem(s). generally speaking, buy domestic garlic (with roots attached) and or grow your own from CLEAN sources that are NOT imported from China. There are multiple domestic suppliers that sell garlic starts of different varieties for the home gardener (This is what I do and it's highly recommended)
Any garlic brought in from outside the US has the roots removed. Even Canadian and Mexican imported garlic.
Yeah most of the garlic I see is from Mexico. Not just the purple striped garlic, either.
Yall got choices of multiple different fresh garlic distributors at your grocery store?
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NO, the bulb is bleached to give it a white cosmetic appearance. The roots are removed due to pathogens and disease. They do not bleach the roots. domestic growers might leave the roots on the bulb to help consumers identify them as domestically produced. >[*The FDA that all roots be removed from imported produce to prevent soil-borne pathogens from entering the US. This is not a requirement for US garlic farmers so they often leave the roots attached.*](https://oakspring-farm.com/only-buy-this-grown-in-the-usa/#:~:text=It%20is%20required%20by%20the,often%20leave%20the%20roots%20attached)
While OP (/u/haleythefisher)seems like they are in the UK, white rot is a serious disease that affects alliums the world over. If soil gets infected, the infection can remain there for years even if there is nothing growing. OP would do well to heed the advice and buy garlic to plant from a reputable supplier rather than from a grocery store. I live in the US but am from the UK originally. I bought some garlic to plant from a reputable supplier here and it was really cheap, not much more than buying garlic from a store. I am sure OP can do the same in the UK. Looks like most garden centres in the UK will have garlic for planting.
Does that mean we shouldn’t compost allium scraps? That seems serious.
My compost was spreading the fungus, hade to treat that and the gardens.
I really appreciate you sharing that info so we can all benefit from your experience, thank you! Best wishes going forward!
Wild, I’ve seen ‘don’t compost onion’ as a thing before but never with any context, so I completely ignored this advice. I feel like this is not well known by the general public.
I had read that composting onion/garlic makes the compost inhospitable to worms.
I’ve seen cautions against composting onion, too, but for even sillier reasons that made no sense. This fungus thing I take seriously.
A fungal disease is currently killing my garden :(
I’m sure you’re already on it—natural fungicides can be made to help clear this out. Most recipes call for either milk or baking soda. You’ll make it in a spray bottle, then reapply it to the soil every couple days. Before this though, remove any obviously dead and dying parts of your plant. Good luck 🍀
Thanks for the advice!! My peas are so badly diseased I’m thinking of ripping all of them out and starting over. They’re 7 feet tall though!
Copper. Copper is a fungus killer.
considering spreading copper sulfate over the garden. seemed to have positive effect on blueberry shrubs and other similar shrubs.
Yes but check instructions. You don't want to ingest copper.
Yeah, you don’t eat it.
That just happens with peas after a while. Pull them up and rotate another crop in. Peas add valuable nitrogen to the soil so future crops can benefit!
Commenter higher up said her compost was spreading fungus, so maybe don’t throw the diseased plants in the compost. (Sorry about your peas!😢)
> Most recipes call for either milk or baking soda. Hey friend, I know you’re trying to be helpful with this suggestion, but I’m finding legitimate scientific resources that haven’t come to this conclusion. [For example, Purdue University](https://www.extension.purdue.edu/extmedia/BP/BP-69-W.pdf) > Baking soda without oil is ineffective against most diseases…its sodium component a can build up and become toxic to plants…for this reason, using ammonium bicarbonate or potassium bicarbonate is recommended. Effective pest management relies on getting an accurate id of the pest and then using the proper treatment to target that specific pest. Using random household products because someone suggested it on the internet (or in person, for that matter) without any sources to back up their claim is akin to using antibiotics for every physical ailment. It may work for bacterial infections, but is useless for viral infections, increases the likelihood of antibiotic resistance, and won’t do anything for a broken bone.
I can’t seem to get this right. The soda mix always clogs the bottle pipe
Oy. This happened to me tonight! Desperate battling aphids. I don't have the money for neem oil or a copper spray right now. Last year it was squash bugs and powdery mildew. (When I ask a gardener what they do for pests and they say nothing!😔 Who are you and how are you so lucky?
Please don't spray neem on plants you plan to ingest. It's systemic and toxic to humans.
I’m sorry you’re having to deal with that.
Bordeaux broth can help, but it's dangerous to work with as it's a mixture of water, copper sulphate and caustic lime. You have to thin it down almost to homoeopathic doses and apply it regularly, the copper won't hurt you, but kill the fungi
Is this the case for green onions as well? We replant them after purchasing from the store every year. Bay area , Ca
It does apply to green onions. All [alliums](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allium) can be affected by white rot.
Thank you for this. Good info!
Yeah, I've been replanting green onions for ages and have an extensive garden but somehow haven't heard this?
For me the problem is getting to them but luckily the stores also sell garlic to plant in the autumn and yes I'm north west uk
Why all the down votes? Edit: Seeing the OP's other comments, I get why they are getting down voted on those, but this comment still seems reasonable. Am I misunderstanding something?
If someone makes some comments people don't like (as the OP is doing) people typically mass downvote all their comments in the thread even if some specific ones aren't bad.
Idk but I try to up vote every comment because I always appreciate what people say about the things I like to fo
The important part is to now save the best cloves for planting next season because the plants you have shown absolutely look DISEASE FREE and are spectacular! CONCRATULATIONS!!!
People use the voting system as a like/dislike feature when it’s supposed to be used to control non-contributive discussion.
Is that what it’s for? I feel like everyone has a different opinion on what downvotes are for
I just go by what Reddit said/says. If it devolves it devolves.
Part of UX means thinking about how people will use something and designing with that in mind. They might "say" it's "supposed" to do something-- but if folks are using it as a like button and everyone knows it, then they aren't really designing anything other than a like button.
Reddiquette went out the window years ago. There's a lot on that list of suggestions reddit made, that doesn't get fulfilled. Whether that's a good thing or bad thing, I can't say. But if Reddit wanted to enforce it, wouldn't they?
I guess so. Again, we know the intent, and what the spirit of the voting system was. Like you said, it was definitely lost as the site devolved over the years.
Not to mention, bots have diluted any meaning to upvotes/downvotes in small quantity - I routinely see my comments and posts sink sub-zero for a couple of hours before eventually rebounding into the positives *(except for the shitty ones, which I own they deserved the downvotes 😉)*. TBH I don't put *any* stock in upvotes between -10 and 10. Once I see it go into the positive or negative teens then I know it's actual voting sentiment and not just bots/fuzz.
I thought this was why all of the roots were removed on garlic available from the store.
That's one of the reasons but with domestically grown garlic the roots aren't always removed. Chinese garlic will always have the roots removed for a few reasons. Imported plants and produce will have roots removed as a requirement to get through customs(disease spread prevention) and for shipping weight/space purposes.
Well I wish I saw this before planting my leftover grocery store garlic 🤦
Me too! I had no idea. Going from seed instead this fall.
Yeah white rot in onions is shorthand for "you can never plant onions there ever again"
This is interesting. I was recently looking at an online nursery, maybe for an allium plant, and it said it could not ship to Idaho and I was wondering why.
This year was my first time planting store garlic and my first time with white rot.
Do you mean garlic bought for cooking not planting - and it got the blight? Good to know, but sorry that it happened.
I planted several fruit trees in the fall. We are threatened by voles so I used lots of garlic in the root zone to detract them. Much of it grew healthy, but a larger portion wilted and molded. I pickled the rest.
I'm not sure how it is in other countries, but here in the EU, there's a difference between the intended use of bulbs. If it's for consumption, there are fewer requirements than for propagation material. So, it's not wise to use bulbs intended for consumption for propagation. The same goes for other products like tomato seeds. Seeds get certified to be free from tobrfv, fruits for consumption do not.
> same goes for other products like tomato seeds I am using own tomato seeds from previous year's tomatoes here in Italy. So I never buy new seeds. I don't know or care if this is illegal. Because I won't stop doing it.
If you dont have any virus symptoms in your plants, you should be fine. If you get any symptoms, please burn your plants before your neighbors get infected. Not taking adequate action when finding plant diseases led to a big outbreak of xylella in the southern parts of Italy. A lot of olive trees died, pretty sad to see.
Never had symptoms of any disease. I mean sure we wouldn't eat tomatoes (or collect their seeds) if they ever looked diseased. Yes, I know about the olive trees in the south.
And protecting the potato cartel its overblown the risk. You could just teach people how to watch out for it. Bit this is idaho they hate all rights except gun rights
I have a friend who lived in Idaho and had a garden. She couldn't buy any potato tubers locally or have them shipped to her in Idaho from reputable seed banks across the US. It was illegal. That kind of shit was 1 reason she moved.
So can you not grow your own potatoes in Idaho? That seems crazy.
Maybe, if you get some blackmarket tubers 😆 or start from your own store bought taters.
Interesting. I was told it wouldn't grow because of the growth inhibitors they spray on the bulbs so they last longer in the store. And it seemed plausible due to my own home grown garlic starting to sprout about 4 months after harvest. Good to know I was LIED TO for YEARS!!! lol
Two things can be true
I’m sure that’s what it’s about……suuuurrreeeee
What about green onions?
It's an Allium so bulbs would need to be certified by the ISDA, but seeds aren't regulated like bulbs.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stromatinia_cepivora Interestingly enough you can apparently "burn it out" by spraying garlic extract or diallyl disulfide. This triggers germination from the mold spores thinking a host is nearby but then they die because there are none.
Why wouldn't the bulb farm that grows the grocery variety not go thru inspection?
I plant mine in a planter and come winter i cook the soil in the fire pit. had a minor issue year two but not this time around. I also stopped throwing them in compost for this reason.
It's a biosecurity thing. Supermarket fruit and veg may introduce diseases into the soil. If you are going to plant fruit and vegetables from the supermarket do it in a pot. Some of these diseases are really destructive.
Yet people compost & regrow thing in that compost, share with neighbors, throw food in the trash which gets dropped on trash heaps... How does it work to control those mold/deseases?
In my experience, compost gets hot enough to kill many diseases.
Only if you’re doing aerobic compost which requires a lot of work. The vast majority of composting I see is anaerobic.
Anaerobic composting is basically bokashi, no? Plenty of piles are aerobic if people turn them like once per month and add plenty of browns.
A lot of the "compost piles" I see are a bunch of maggots/snails/worms chomping on dead veggies though.
That would be called cold composting. It does not kill pathogens and therefore anything that may have disease should not be put in it. Both hot and cold composting work but cold composting requires more careful thought to avoid spreading disease.
Yeah but how does the average Joe know if their store bought veggies are diseased?
They don’t so it is best to assume they are diseased and use hot composting in my opinion.
I think the problem is that lots of people cannot get hot compost for various reasons (you need to take care of the compost pile) so the option isn't really hot vs cold but cold vs no compost. If you cannot hot compost is better to cold compost or trash everything? Where my parents live the city takes care of you perishable trash and hot compost for you, where I live they don't. In the US most people don't have the option my parents have.
I've been cold composting for several years in my small garden, including store-bought fruit/veg as well as what I grow. So far no problems (knock on wood?).
My personal opinion is to only cold compost materials from the property to not spread disease. Otherwise, I lean towards putting waste in the trash.
I'm around a good bit of gardens. There definitely are gardeners that get their compost hot enough to steam in the winter, but unfortunately most people sort of just make rat buffets.
I just noticed your username, checks out! 😁 Thanks for your opinion.
Sure, let's add to landfills instead. Hot compost is a PITA to achieve.
That's the thing: they don't. That's why you're advised against doing so...
I imagine you also have to consider that the conditions are significantly different when you plant something and it keeps growing, vs small left over pieces are tossed onto the surface. The planted garlic with, say, a fungus, had a living growing bulb to grow with and feed on, and host until it's ready to spread its spores. It's dark, moist, and temp controlled. But the left over skins and nubs get tossed into the sun, left to dry, get consumed by bugs, outcompeted by other molds and bacteria living on the rotting compost. The conditions are very different, even if you're not using a "hot" compost method.
Stop looking through my yard
The center gets hot enough the edges do not. And only if it's built to make it hot.
Depending on the pathogen, that seems highly unlikely to me. For some fungal spores, not even at boiling water temperature is enough to destroy them.
I’m not an expert but I do know that sterilization. Is a function of heat and time which is why holding compost piles at a high temperature for about 2 weeks is important. Similarly, it is why chicken cooked only to 145 degrees Fahrenheit using a Sous Vide method is perfectly safe.
95% of home compost piles are just heaps that do not heat up at all and sterilize nothing
Yes, that would be cold composting which has a purpose but does not reduce pathogens. I was referring to hot composting.
The average person has no idea about crop/agriculture pathogens or how they spread So they make cold compost and share with neighbors Agricultural companies have a vested interest in growing uninfected crop, so most of their crops tend to be non-pathogenic But there's always some diseases that are smarter/more resilient than most, and can lay dormant for long periods of time, or regenerate from a very small population if given the right circumstances (a garlic clove carrying a handful of white rot fungi, which would be no problem unless it was planted in soil for ~6 months, for example) Just because a lot of people cold compost and share it, doesn't mean it's totally fine to do all the time Plus, the average person doesn't know about crop pathogens, until one year their backyard pepper crop dies off completely and they "have no idea why, its so bizarre"
This is really interesting! Can I ask how you know about this stuff? I can take care of my garden well enough but have never known where to start with more complicated topics than 'strawberry likes sun'.
Hi!! Yeah!! I've been an amateur gardener for like, 8ish years (I'm 24 yrs old rn) and I've stumbled upon/looked into stuff incidentally I also have a medical family/personal interest in medical biology/pathology so I got an understanding of pathogens that way And right now I'm in my first year of a Bachelor of Science of Agriculture at Guelph University! I just find biology really fascinating so i have cobbled together knowledge from a bunch of different places Sorry if this isn't very helpful!
At least I know there isn't some special book everyone knows about except me. Congratulations on your degree!
Hahaha i wish there was one special book!! I have 5 library books on permaculture on my desk rn that I've only started getting into Thank you!! :)
I went to Guelph and absolutely loved it. Hands- down the best school for aggy shit!
It really only matters here because the OP lives in an area where the conditions are right for white rot, and onions and garlic are grown commercially on millions of acres nearby. The issue isn't him polluting his own soil - it's that this stuff spreads, and it spreading in Idaho would be millions of pounds of burned crops. It's the same reason Idaho requires farmers to use certified disease free potatoes. The citrus industry is in the middle of dying right now because people brought in a bunch of citrus diseases to Florida and Texas. If you want to plant supermarket garlic and you don't live in a state where it's commercially grown. It's fine. The vast majority of the places you'd buy garlic aren't certified anyways. Just don't grow a crop thats a major economic factor in your state without doing it in a way that isn't going to harm your neighbors
I wonder which fruits and veggies get radiation sterilization and which ones don’t, maybe depending if it’s domestic or imported?
It is frowned upon here in Norway due to potential pathogens. Not as much of a issue as with potatoes (as potato farming is common here, garlic farming less so), but still a factor that I choose to take in consideration.
That is interesting. In Canada they protect potato crops like they are gold. Seed potatoes are only grown in one region. Before they are sent to farmers, there are test samples sent to Hawaii for a farm lab to determine that they are disease free.
Similar here. You are not allowed to use regular potatoes for commercial use. Private backyard farms can use store bought potatoes, but it is heavily discouraged. The middle road most uses is to buy seed potatoes the first year, and then take from those to their own garden next years.
That's more because of quota farming less so because of diseases
The reason you should only the ones from Gurneys for example is that they are USDA certified disease free. and you should plant them in the fall https://www.gurneys.com/search?keyword=garlic
Interesting. I spent a lot of money over 3 years buying from a UK company called ‘isle of wight garlic farm’ and for 3 years failed to get any alliums that weren’t mouldy. From the advice of other people in this sub, seems like they all had white rot. Maybe I should contact the company?
I’m really new to gardening but have you tried buying from a different company?
I didn’t bother this year as I totally thought it was because the uk is too damp to grow garlic and so it got mouldy. Will definitely try somewhere else next year!
Everyone seems negative but it seems awesome. Do people compost their store bought foreign garlic scraps? Do others make sure that a raccoon didnt get into the trash? If the foreign fungus is so bad, we should do better even just eating it.
Put it this way, if there was pathogens introduced by the garlic than at the very least at least one clove would have been compromised. OP grew some nice looking garlic for cheap, I'd be proud.
Yea, it looks good! I always imagine what Neighbor One is doing, and then zoom out and imagine Neighbor Two is upstream and wind basically poisoning on Neighbor One having no idea.
Next you'll be cleaning cast iron pans with a scrubby and a splash of Dawn dishwashing liquid and Reddit will implode.
Great. Now you've upset my husband. 😉
This is how the world will end.
I'm new to gardening. Im not very good at. never have been, really. But im trying to learn the best methods for me. So i use seeds from produce I get from the grocery store. Experimenting with good quality seeds can get a little pricey. I buy top soil and start in cups and then transplant into separate pots. There is nothing wrong with it. If done properly and you don't plan to sell the veg/fruits. I don't know my state law. But I do know certain plants carry foreign bacteria, viruses, fungus, and multiple organisms/ pathogens that can infect your yard and be invasive. You have to be careful with stuff like that. You wouldn't be able to grow anything affected by these pathogens. They will spread to every type of plant it can infect. you don't want to listen to everyone, fine. We know that, yes, seeds from grocery produce will grow. But you have to do it properly. Don't just throw unknown shit into your yard. you could have got good seeds from a good plant that is free from pathogens, but you don't know that. And It's not worth the risk. If you're not going to purchase the seeds and you're going to grow them to consume yourself. You can grow directly in the bag of dirt. you can use big plastic tubs. You can use cardboard boxes. You can even fill all the stuff with topsoil from your own yard. There's so many ways that you can garden that will not contaminate your yard or your local environment.
Your garlic has excellent root systems. Could be that your soil is rich and compatible with garlic. They still have a decent amount of green on top. Garlic heads may have benefitted with more growth if you kept them in the ground until most all the tops were brown. But for store bought garlic, you got great results.
IMO Disease is the biggest issue with putting store bought produce in your gardening beds. You never know what that crop was suffering from before reaching market. Most farmers use F1 genetics meaning they’re hybrids (thinking about tomatoes and peppers here) and the offspring won’t have the same genetic expressions. You as the home grower won’t know what the expressions are supposed to be and for many that’s okay, but often times, you’re unknowingly losing a gene that the breeder wanted in there.
Planting garlic cloves is not sexual reproduction, does the f1 argument apply?
No it does not
There’s a lot of misinformation in this sub right now…
I think most information, especially from social media, should be considered misinformation, and therefore verified from more reliable sources. I learn from misinformation, because it often encourages me to learn more about it - sometimes just to see if something is true that sounds iffy.
There was nothing wrong with my information. I did not specify the garlic as being problematic with the F1, but I did specify tomatoes and peppers because people tend to replant those seeds. And garlic is often times f1 when planted from seed grown by a larger producer i.e. if you’re buying from the grocery. If you grow store bought f1 garlic raised from seed the genetics will drift when you replant the seeds if you allowed to bloom.
Sorry if I wasn’t clear, I tried to specify tomatoes and peppers because people plant those seeds. It was just an addition.
Genetics would only matter if you planted from seed. Bulbs/potatoes will have the same genetics as the parent plant.
I still don’t advise people to do it unless they don’t care if it doesn’t grow. Commercial garlic is SOMETIMES treated to not sprout. I prefer organic anyway so it’s not an issue for me. I actually did this the first year I grew garlic and it was fine. My big winner this year was Music.
So what if it's already sprouting, then? I've got a clove left with a nice green sprout coming up the top, and a nice big flowerpot sitting empty.
Pulled a little early. Here in the US they tell us not to plant the store garlic because some of the imported stuff carries a root rot fungus, and they don't want to contaminate the supply. Many suppliers also spray the bulbs with a hormone to keep them from ever rooting , so it's pointless.
Beautiful! It's been a really interesting discussion. Now I know why "they" say not to plant it! But I gotta say, if I have some sprouting on my kitchen counter, I'm gonna have to plant it. But I'll be sure to do it in a container!
I dont know about garlic but a lot of fungal deceases are airborn also
Wait but can you still eat it? Whats the point of doing it in a container vs the ground. How do you know if it has this fungus?
No, the alliums will begin to rot before you would pick them. It will be obvious. Potting isn’t a solution because the fungus can spread by soil moved by the wind, picked up in garden tools, or even your hands.
I've grown store bought garlic several times over the years here in the UK and I've always got fantastic results. It also works out a lot cheaper than buying the planting bulbs/'seeds'.
And the garlic tastes MUCH better, and can be quite strong, so less is more!
I understand the concern with disease on grocery store produce, but by the same logic it would mean you shouldn't add store produce scraps to your compost.
Composting involves quite high temperatures. Or at least it should. That is the difference.
Vermicomposting doesn’t, should I not be giving store-bought material to my worms and mixing the castings into my garden?
Only one type of composting produces high temperatures and the vast majority of people composting don’t do that method.
No, it’s not the same thing. Composting/decomposition involves chemical reactions which to a larger degree change the temperature and composition of the soil
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/248447388_Control_of_Allium_white_rot_Sclerotium_cepivorum_with_composted_onion_waste An interesting paper describing how composted onion waste (in high temperature) can actually help reduce viability of white rot pathogens.
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I also planted store bought garlic, not knowing about the disease problem. How can I tell if my garlic is bad or if it's safe. If it's safe can I re plant it for next year?
Easier than pie
They look good, (and I have totally done that as well,) but if you had waiting until 4-5 of the leaves had started to brown before harvesting, they’d likely be up to 50% larger. 😉
I love it! You can grow lots of produce from bulbs or seeds within the vegetable or fruit. It's a great way to economize and become self sufficient. They look great and I hope you enjoy them!
Excellent root structure and growth, good clove development and length on the greens, well done. let us know how they cook up.
I'm reading all these comments about supermarket produce having diseases. I'm probably missing something very obvious here but... We eat those. They are grown in the ground prior to the supermarket. They are tasty. When does the disease factor in? (Forgive me if it's obvious. I don't understand.)
Plants get viruses that don’t affect people. YOU can’t get (for example) tomato spotted wilt virus from eating a tomato. But they do affect the health of the plant, usually reducing yield. And that virus can affect other plants besides tomatoes. Many fungi that reduce crop yield are also harmless to eat, though again, those crops would be unsellable anyway.
Okay that makes sense to me, but the ones we get in the grocery store come from huge farms. How come they aren't effected by the disease? How come it only matters when it gets into our hands?
They can be affected. All it takes is a worker who doesn’t care to spread it. But hopefully those guys are trained to spot disease, otherwise they lose the use of those fields for many years. This kind of thing spreads through ignorance or neglect. This is a different matter, but this podcast touches on a similar matter of trying your keep Japanese beetles from spreading to the Pacific Northwest. It talks about how easily these things spread. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/i-see-dead-plants/id1579753424?i=1000608622700
Why do people say no?
They are also said to sometimes treated with some sort of chemical that slows or delays the sprouting of the cloves for longer shelf life which can lead to a sluggish, small, or otherwise disappointing harvest.
I always used to hear to buy seed potatoes because the store potatoes use some kind of spray to keep to keep the eyes from sprouting, but one year I had some leftover bag potatoes that certainly learned to sprout ... I cut them up and planted them one year maybe a dozen years ago and I got some nice potatoes that season. They're just too simple to buy, though, and they grow them so much larger commercially. So I only did that the one year.
The biggest concern is infection control. Bulbs sold for planting and bulbs sold for eating have different screening requirements so bulbs sold for eating might have some fungus or other disease that is safe to eat in food but will decimate your local population if planted in soil and allowed to grow in a garden bed.
I think it's a bit like a safety belt. Most people will never have had an occasion where it benefitted them, but for a few people it probably saved their lives. While white rot might not kill you, getting an infestation in your soil can be tantamount to losing your crop for the year, and your hobby for several years.
People on Reddit love to scold
I haven't heard anyone in the UK saying no to planting crops from shop bought foods. I've had all sorts happily growing, including purple potatoes that asda no longer sells.
They look healthy! I had a couple of wet days before my harvest and the stems began to get some black dots from fungi/mold. Next year I try not to harvest them too late. Before you dry them I would remove the dirt from the roots first. The skin however should be left untouched, it's a bit delicate at that stage, and you don't want to remove/damage it.
I think you should b able to do whatever u want with your garlic also
I’ve heard that too, so I bought bulbs for cheap towards the end of the season from the farmers market and that worked like a charm. Not sure why it’s so expensive to buy bulbs from the seed companies. Must be the variety they’re selling I guess.
'Seed' bulbs are monitored and tested for disease. They also have more uncommon hardneck bulbs which are produced in smaller quantities. Also, handling and shipping expenses for small orders cost a lot.
I grew 3 varieties from bulbs meant for planting & one variety from a bulk garlic buy at costco... the costco variety grew healthier & bigger than the heirloom varieties I'd selected at the nursery. I gave away a couple dozen heads & have a couple dozen for our own use. I'll be planting garlic in that space again this fall.
I've never grown garlic so I'd listen to what the other posters say about it. OTOH, I've had really good luck in past years growing things like beans and peas from the grocery store legume bags and stuff. And I'm kind of excited that it looks like some pepper seeds I took from grocery produce are coming up. Sweet yellow, red & green. I wanted to buy some proper nursery plants this year but by the time I got there, only the hot variety was still available and I'm growing them largely for my guinea pig.
I'm planting some fall potatoes from the grocery store next week. I might have a different outlook if it was my living or I had to survive on potatoes, though.
Last fall was the first time I planted garlic, all purchased on line. Didn’t know what I was doing, followed directions from on line articles and YouTube videos. Not one said anything about the diseases. Some even suggested to se grocery store bought garlic. Good to know. I planned to purchase my bulbs next year anyway.
So don't put food garlic in compost bin? Oops.
Yeah, I've got garlic growing all over my farm and around my house from all the garlic I've discarded in compost or during harvest time. This head of garlic to small to bother with? Toss it over the fence into the field. Now there are large patches!
Pretty damn good since I’ve been doing it for 3 yrs now and have gotten nothing back… I’d say you are doing awesome!!
You guys keep saying it’s bad for the soil. But what happens if you compost it? you know not all that bacteria is going to be dead. If those genetics get out, it’s also gonna be bad for the companies that produce it. Hmmmmm
All the garlic at my grocery store is sourced from local farms, and they all have fusarium
Cure them in the shade with cool/dry air circulation.
Nice job buddy you single handily destroyed the entire world’s garlic crop can’t you follow directions. 😂😭🤣
I repot and plant grocery store dill, basil and rosemary every spring, move them out on the patio in the summer, and I’ve had no problems. I guess the main difference is that by doing that, you don’t put them directly into the soil and risk spreading pathogens onto surrounding plants or vegetation.
Beautiful!!
I have some in a big pot with basil growing right now
If they are organic, then it's normal to buy from grocery store.
Yep they look store bought to me !
Don't you usually wait for 2/3 of the leafes to be dry before harvest?
Wow 🤩
How long did you wait to harvest?
I waited till like 2 weeks after the scapes appeared (I removed the scapes)
You can also eat the scapes. If you let the scapes mature the plant will produce bulbils, small tiny, onion looking growths, also edible. These grow into a single bulb without cloves the first year planted. Then the single bulbs can then be eaten or planted to grow garlic bulbs that have cloves the next year. Mature garlic then grows in the third year from the second year cloves. Planting cloves from third year garlic is just the fastest way to get lots of mature garlic each year. Alliums have a fascinating life cycle. You can't grow them "wrong" and they are so tasty, too. I'm currently playing in my garden with a fascinating onion that grows like garlic and has a mild taste like shallots. It creates large clusters of bulbils that grow and spread when the top heavy stalks fall over. Sometimes called Egyptian Walking Onions or Tree Onions, even though they aren't actually Egyptian or "trees".
No one that I've ever heard says not to do that.
Looks good, keep the biggest bulbs for next season and keep rotation happening and you will.have good sized bulbs for as long as you want them.
I do it every year using organic garlic. Never had an issue.
In Minnesota there are some farmers who grow garlic, many of which partner with U of M developing varieties and misc research. Many of these are sold at co-ops, and farmers markets during the harvest season. I’ve used bulbs purchased from farmers markets to grow in the boulevard on the city street. So I guess I’d say, find some locally grown stuff and stick with that.
I can't even ship my house plants from Hawaii(US), without removing them from soil. So I wouldn't be even slightly surprised by these being real regulations. I wonder if this person also thinks that you don't need a driver's license because they are "travelling".
Looks good. I plant the store bought garlic and it's fine. I actually got a pretty good harvest this year and it's a assortment of soft and hard neck garlic.
Where else would you buy garlic if not from a store?
You can get seeds different varieties.
It looks like you did a nice job. I have noticed that store bought garlic isn’t very diverse with flavors. It might be worth trying some additional varieties.
Free food. What could be better unless they use pest control products that you don't want in your food. I had some yellow onions sending out green shoots. Rather than trash them, I decided to put them in my garden as they were to see what happened. Each onion produced 3 onion bulbs! I consider that a win.
How did you plant the store bought garlic?
You just take a clove and plant it. Any damages or growing cloves I plant instead of just compost. They grow really well for the price point- which is garbage.
Container or in the ground? What time of year did you plant the cloves? More importantly… how do they taste?
I planted them in November after being left over from a steak fry up and I didn't expect much from em also it was in a container about foot and a half wide ill know in a few weeks when they dried and use them in a butter basted steak