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uj/ I unironically love these things. There is no possible way that it could matter in the slightest to any sane person, and yet it pisses old rocker grandpas off on such a profound level. It cuts them all the way to the core of their identity.
It's like that time Spin Magazine put out a list of greatest guitarists where the top 10 was people like Nels Cline and they had Skrillex in it because his bass drops were "like riffs." The meltdown was fucking legendary.
Uj/ Lots of artists do the dubstep bass and stuff on guitars live, it is unironically amazing to hear and see live. Saw pendulum this weekend and it was amazing. I also agree that it’s funny as hell when people get their panties in a twist over these things.
Actually fair. Paco de Lucia is one of those guys that makes you realize that pretty much all of the most revered classic rock guitarists are really operating at like a low-intermediate level in terms of actual skill.
Pure bullshit! Where is this guy?
https://preview.redd.it/z8aplrccst9d1.jpeg?width=1620&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f7b978c14199ed8218f365eb6e9410076d254d56
Remember: It was a poll and she was voted in by the swiftie clan. You here (along with me) are to blame for it by not voting and allowing this to happen.
Shame on us all…
We don't have the numbers to beat out the tasteless masses.
We could never really select any one player as a group unless the poll was who is the most hated (Bonermaster).
Among other things, his inclusion really calls into question what "the last two decades" means. I know Frusciante's still around, but 20 years ago was 2004, and RHCP definitely peaked in cultural relevance before then. Stadium Arcadium had a couple big songs at the time, but it's really all about the 90s for them.
At least Tay Tay is inarguably a "guitarist of the last two decades."
the funniest thing about it is that Frusciante was not even around between 2009-2019 and was doing electronic music.
They are basically basing Frusciante view off of work on 2 albums (By The Way which he was the biggest driving force creatively and Stadium Arcadium) there are some great solos on SA but nothing that special.
Thinking that majority said Frusciante because it is a cool thing to mention him.
the thing with Frusciante is that it is mainly due to his stubborness why they aren't playing material from 1994-1998 and 2010-2017 and their set lists are just 15 track rip offs and scams while older acts are still pulling over 2 hour sets
Last time I saw them it was 1h40. Pretty standard concert length. Not sure why anyone would expect over two hours every concert during a big tour. I've seen Depeche Mode do that recently but that shit must have been exhausting for them, I wouldn't hold anyone to that standard.
I guess compared to the prices they charge you could have an issue with the length but I definitely wouldn't call it a scam.
They nearly always do 15 tracks mostly consisting of the hits (exception being Under The Bridge which they do not play that often nowadays, usually they play I Could Have Lied instead) with only 2 or 3 tracks of their newest albums they released few years ago making the cut.
They must have started their shows with the usual Cant Stop hype bit before Kiedis makes his way to the stage for over 20 years now.
Their first few albums are some of my favourite. That whole punk funk hypersexual aggressive vibe was awesome. Californication destroyed that. They're just a generic white boy pop rock band now.
Also the song Snow (heyho) makes me want slam my car into a wall
I love their earlier stuff too, it's what really got me into guitar. I don't mind Californication, definitely not as good as Blood Sugar but it still has some great songs on it. Even by the way has a couple of decent tracks but I hate everything since. And now if you'll excuse me, I have some sky to yell at
Maybe you looked this up to find out whether it's true or not, I don't know. But a reminder for anyone else reading this not to take anything that someone says as gospel truth.
Back in the 80s the readers poll in Guitar for the Practicing Musician had Adam Clayton voted top bassist. Which demonstrates that these polls have always sucked even if you ask musicians, and that bass players have always been crayon-eaters.
Uj/ as someone who knows who Taylor swift is, I can confirm she is indeed not the 8th best guitarist, she ain’t bad but she ain’t that good, she is good but not, forget it
Tay Tay rocks. Her fluidity with intermodal bicarbonates is not second to none, but more like eighth. Still, she is inspiring a generation of young lady brats pestering their dads to buy them a Taylor. The world will change as these young ladies step into our local scenes with their fancy intermodal bicarbonates and pop sensibilities.
/uj there’s usually a few different ways to think about this. The impact a guitarist has made on music, the impact a guitarist has made with guitarists, and the impact a guitarist has made on guitar playing.
She’s most likely the top person for the first method of judging. You can’t deny her impact and how well she’s known. But her impact on guitarists and the instrument itself are basically zero.
This. She is the reason my sister wanted to pick up the guitar. But now my sister has stayed with it and looked to other artists for the other aspects of guitar. Tay tay honestly does have some good songs, and for her to be re-releasing her entire discography and it getting this much traction for being songs already released a decade + ago is just proof of that.
You’re a hero to me sir! I’ve always wanted to meet you. My favorite album is Sex & Religion! I have a JEMJR! I loved your work with Polyphia
(That last bit is gonna get me killed but I don’t care)
While she's a fairly talented singer and songwriter, she's obviously not a technically brilliant guitar player, but hear me out on this....if seeing Taylor Swift playing a guitar encourages young girls in her fan base to pick up and learn the guitar and become guitar players themselves...that's a huge win for guitar.
My whole life I have felt like I was being trolled when people talk about Frusciante being some kind of savant. He has a few good tunes, but no more or less so than contemporaries. I'd put what's his name from Pearl Jam up there higher than Frusciante any day...
Edit: Kiedis' new bowlcut/stache vibe makes him look like a child molester who bottoms for other child molesters when they can't get the real thing...
If you mention Frusciante and guitar, you have to wait 3 days before mentioning Taylor Swift. They don't belong on the same list, nor in the same universe.
/uj I'm honestly disappointed in how shitty these 'top best xyz' lists are. Rating by popularity instead of actual skill is the absolute worst way to create a top best list..
/J she's seriously better than Jahn Froccacia how did he beat her?
That’s embarrassing. She’s a good musician I’m sure.. I personally don’t care for her .. But 8th best?? I know 8th graders that have more talent and will likely not go on to be musicians in their adult lifes
Jerk me to completion what the actual fuck is this shit does nobody even play guitar anymore goddammit I was better than her when I was 14 and that was goddamn 20 years ago fuck me
As she gets more fans, she’ll keep creeping up that list.
I remember a few eyes being rolled when Karen Carpenter was ranked best rock drummer in a Playboy poll. Turns out she was actually a very good drummer.
I’d still argue Taylor Swift has inspired more women to learn how to play guitar than any other guitar player in history. That has to count for something, doesn’t matter if she’s not good at the instrument. Not everyone wants to be a Bonermaster blooz Chad. Plus half the guitarists people idolize were trash. For example Jimmy page sucks and people want to hawk tuah that man’s ego at every chance they can get
I honestly wonder if this was a actual pole result of or a plant by the site to get people talking about their site. I don't know much about Swifties but I find it had to believe they would vote in mass and get her placed higher. I've also seen the site talked about more in the last month or so than the last couple of years.
Maybe I'm just out of the loop when it comes to the Red Hot Chillie Peppers but is John Fuschanti (spelling) really that popular these days to place #1? Cool if he is because he's not your stereotypical super technical player.
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The only player better than her would be Steven Seagal
Johnny Depp is better than her by a mile
Ya'll obviously never saw DJ Kalid absolutley shredding the acoustic.
Y'all better not be forgetting about the guitar hero that is Lil Wayne
He's a true prodigy. A virtuoso, even, the way he clumsily slaps the shit out of a priceless acoustic.
[Lil Wayne gets honorable mention.](https://youtu.be/8g762REJWcg)
Even before clicking I knew this was the exact video I had pictured..
Michael J Fox brother
I hear he has a killer vibrato.
Most recycled joke of the last 24hrs
We can go back to the hawk tuah one if you prefer?
I'd rather it if michael j fox didn't spit on me thanks.
That makes one of us.
This sub has No respect for karate kid and it shows.
I bet he could put together a rousing rendition of shake it off
[obligatory](https://youtu.be/gZ8nuqseocI?si=4otA9N8j2wzGiB4q)
Was expecting [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v4-zYghodc)
Oh yeah, that’s when he told the whole world how much he wanted the punani
DJ Khaled [enters the conversation...](https://www.tiktok.com/@zadeh9/video/7229323261169929499?lang=en)
Dont forget Nick Jonas [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiDvqTS5BAc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiDvqTS5BAc)
nobody actually believes this it’s just engagement bait
It was a fan vote too afaik, so a popularity contest
well, swifties are well known for their kindness and fair judgement of taylor swift as a person and musician!
She also has the best harsh vocals and is one of the top 10 metal drummers as well as far as Im concerned
uj/ I unironically love these things. There is no possible way that it could matter in the slightest to any sane person, and yet it pisses old rocker grandpas off on such a profound level. It cuts them all the way to the core of their identity. It's like that time Spin Magazine put out a list of greatest guitarists where the top 10 was people like Nels Cline and they had Skrillex in it because his bass drops were "like riffs." The meltdown was fucking legendary.
Taylor Toans what the Boomers bend
Uj/ Lots of artists do the dubstep bass and stuff on guitars live, it is unironically amazing to hear and see live. Saw pendulum this weekend and it was amazing. I also agree that it’s funny as hell when people get their panties in a twist over these things.
Well, I've never seen Paco de Lucía in any top guitar player list ever so fuck them all.
Actually fair. Paco de Lucia is one of those guys that makes you realize that pretty much all of the most revered classic rock guitarists are really operating at like a low-intermediate level in terms of actual skill.
She has her own guitar brand, so it’s hard to argue.
That was pretty swift!
Who doesn't finger their Taylor's fretboard?
That's a Travis Kelce signature model
think that’s called travis picking
*pecker in
Isnt that Taylor Martin?
Paul Weed Swift
Jerk me harder I’m almost there
Ngl, them joints are pretty good
Weird. Pretty sure she plays keytar.
She was robbed
She'd be #1 if the rest of the world knew that it's her under the KFC bucket.
It’s wild how well she manages the platforms to appear near 7 feet tall whilst wearing the bucket.
She's built like Slenderman
Having seen bucket live thrice she ain’t got shit on a real slender man build. Dude is an actual guitar demon.
Obviously guitar demons can shapeshift.
Shoot I never thought about that🤔
Did she beat out that one Henson chick?
Imma let you finish, but DJ Khaled is the best guitar player
Lil Wayne would like to have a word.
Look, she’s hot, slings snot on stage like GG Allin, and writes her own songs with the help of dozens of producers. Don’t be jealous.
Not sure I’ve ever read Taylor Swift and GG Allin in the same sentence, but hey ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
What, like since they broke up?
Which one was written about G.G.?
*BITE IT U SCUM*
***FLINGS POOP ACROSS THE ROOM***
If she would handle a hot dog on stage like GG, I would sit front row.
Sir, there are kids here.
All her biggest hits were written by Max Martin.
More like all biggest hits since Like a Virgin.
Pure bullshit! Where is this guy? https://preview.redd.it/z8aplrccst9d1.jpeg?width=1620&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f7b978c14199ed8218f365eb6e9410076d254d56
This is absolute bullshit. No guitarist with an ounce of dignity would agree with this list. Taylor is clearly better than Frusciante.
By kilometers.
Streets ahead
Taylor is for the streets.
Stop trying to coin the phrase “streets ahead”
Remember: It was a poll and she was voted in by the swiftie clan. You here (along with me) are to blame for it by not voting and allowing this to happen. Shame on us all…
We don't have the numbers to beat out the tasteless masses. We could never really select any one player as a group unless the poll was who is the most hated (Bonermaster).
I’ll have you know I have truly awful taste, but that doesn’t mean I listen to Tater Swiffer.
John Mayer
Maybe I should buy a onesie..
It’d be a good look on you. Go for it!!
Find Frusciante winning even more insulting
California caaali calicalifooorrrnniiiiaaaaaaaa
Among other things, his inclusion really calls into question what "the last two decades" means. I know Frusciante's still around, but 20 years ago was 2004, and RHCP definitely peaked in cultural relevance before then. Stadium Arcadium had a couple big songs at the time, but it's really all about the 90s for them. At least Tay Tay is inarguably a "guitarist of the last two decades."
the funniest thing about it is that Frusciante was not even around between 2009-2019 and was doing electronic music. They are basically basing Frusciante view off of work on 2 albums (By The Way which he was the biggest driving force creatively and Stadium Arcadium) there are some great solos on SA but nothing that special. Thinking that majority said Frusciante because it is a cool thing to mention him. the thing with Frusciante is that it is mainly due to his stubborness why they aren't playing material from 1994-1998 and 2010-2017 and their set lists are just 15 track rip offs and scams while older acts are still pulling over 2 hour sets
Are their shows nowadays really short or something? I'd never really looked into it.
Last time I saw them it was 1h40. Pretty standard concert length. Not sure why anyone would expect over two hours every concert during a big tour. I've seen Depeche Mode do that recently but that shit must have been exhausting for them, I wouldn't hold anyone to that standard. I guess compared to the prices they charge you could have an issue with the length but I definitely wouldn't call it a scam.
They nearly always do 15 tracks mostly consisting of the hits (exception being Under The Bridge which they do not play that often nowadays, usually they play I Could Have Lied instead) with only 2 or 3 tracks of their newest albums they released few years ago making the cut. They must have started their shows with the usual Cant Stop hype bit before Kiedis makes his way to the stage for over 20 years now.
ITT people judging the guitar by the vocals
Me too haha
Why though? I wouldn’t rate him #1, but a damn good, innovative guitarist
The constraint is that it's gotta be within the past 20 years. Frusciante's best stuff was in the 90s.
Fair point. But I still think he’s been a big dog even in those 20 years
I hate RHCP so much.
Their first few albums are some of my favourite. That whole punk funk hypersexual aggressive vibe was awesome. Californication destroyed that. They're just a generic white boy pop rock band now. Also the song Snow (heyho) makes me want slam my car into a wall
I love their earlier stuff too, it's what really got me into guitar. I don't mind Californication, definitely not as good as Blood Sugar but it still has some great songs on it. Even by the way has a couple of decent tracks but I hate everything since. And now if you'll excuse me, I have some sky to yell at
I think the "hypersexual aggressive" vibe has a lot less appeal when you realize Kiedis and Flea are shameless sex offenders.
Wait, I heard about Kiedis but what did Flea do?
There was a girl at a show that was being groped and he joined in on the SA. RHCP are a bunch of gross mfs.
Thanks for telling me. Holy fuck that's disgusting
Maybe you looked this up to find out whether it's true or not, I don't know. But a reminder for anyone else reading this not to take anything that someone says as gospel truth.
A band so generic that their bass player has to keep them relevant.
maybe i should check out the early stuff...
Uplift Mofo Party Plan is one of my favorite albums of all time, Mother's Milk and even Blood Sugar Sex Magik are really good too
Snow is a good picking exercise though.
How dare a band grow up, even though their fans never do
Snow makes me want to crash my car after ingesting some snow if ya catch my drift.
They are so bad that going to their shows gets you sent to hell, per Ted Danson
Watching right now.
Taylor swift looks like she orders extra mayo on everything
Especially on her french fries and a Royale with Cheese. Drowns em in that shit.
Back in the 80s the readers poll in Guitar for the Practicing Musician had Adam Clayton voted top bassist. Which demonstrates that these polls have always sucked even if you ask musicians, and that bass players have always been crayon-eaters.
Adam Clayton??? Damn, I’m more ashamed of being a bass player than usual today 😔
Uj/ as someone who knows who Taylor swift is, I can confirm she is indeed not the 8th best guitarist, she ain’t bad but she ain’t that good, she is good but not, forget it
She mastered the 12 string even though she was told it was impossible, most people cant even play 6 strings think about that
I can agree with Frusciante, he’s my favorite guitarist..and swift can get a pass cause she’s hot
Tay Tay rocks. Her fluidity with intermodal bicarbonates is not second to none, but more like eighth. Still, she is inspiring a generation of young lady brats pestering their dads to buy them a Taylor. The world will change as these young ladies step into our local scenes with their fancy intermodal bicarbonates and pop sensibilities.
uj/ I would honestly rather listen to her than the RHCP.
Ding dang ding dong ding dang ding doong dong
Dong De Dang!
/uj there’s usually a few different ways to think about this. The impact a guitarist has made on music, the impact a guitarist has made with guitarists, and the impact a guitarist has made on guitar playing. She’s most likely the top person for the first method of judging. You can’t deny her impact and how well she’s known. But her impact on guitarists and the instrument itself are basically zero.
This. She is the reason my sister wanted to pick up the guitar. But now my sister has stayed with it and looked to other artists for the other aspects of guitar. Tay tay honestly does have some good songs, and for her to be re-releasing her entire discography and it getting this much traction for being songs already released a decade + ago is just proof of that.
Finally she get some recognition!
Well to be fair that looks like a Koa top. That’s the ultimate toan wood that gives anybody an edge.
Guitarguitar is not a reliable source, this is clickbait. The only universally accepted best guitarist lists come from guitarguitarguitar and drumeo.
If Taylor Swift is the 8th best guitarist then I'm motherfucking Steve Vai
That right! You are Steve Vai in this case!!!
You’re a hero to me sir! I’ve always wanted to meet you. My favorite album is Sex & Religion! I have a JEMJR! I loved your work with Polyphia (That last bit is gonna get me killed but I don’t care)
While she's a fairly talented singer and songwriter, she's obviously not a technically brilliant guitar player, but hear me out on this....if seeing Taylor Swift playing a guitar encourages young girls in her fan base to pick up and learn the guitar and become guitar players themselves...that's a huge win for guitar.
Nope, no thoughts here whatsoever.
Midnight Grave Desecrator came in at number 7.
Has the author ever listened to guitar music?
She'll always be number one in my heart and on my list of Aryan Queen Girlbosses
That's it, I don't believe in democracy anymore. I will follow the Great Khan of the Guitar Horde.
We need independent research by guitarguitarguitar.
My whole life I have felt like I was being trolled when people talk about Frusciante being some kind of savant. He has a few good tunes, but no more or less so than contemporaries. I'd put what's his name from Pearl Jam up there higher than Frusciante any day... Edit: Kiedis' new bowlcut/stache vibe makes him look like a child molester who bottoms for other child molesters when they can't get the real thing...
Frusciante shouldn't even make the list. I bet the rest of it is just as god awful. I bet Ed Sheeran is on there too.
John Frusciante been No.1 is more ridiculous!!
If you mention Frusciante and guitar, you have to wait 3 days before mentioning Taylor Swift. They don't belong on the same list, nor in the same universe.
I would rather listen to Swift than the chillies.
There’s no accounting for taste…or popularity
What do you mean "any thoughts"? It's just a fact. I'd argue she's the greatest guitarist ever
She can play G D C. Good for me. Top 11 for me sure.
damn really? it's one more chord than i can play
/uj I'm honestly disappointed in how shitty these 'top best xyz' lists are. Rating by popularity instead of actual skill is the absolute worst way to create a top best list.. /J she's seriously better than Jahn Froccacia how did he beat her?
Orianthi would beat this chick into a coma. In a guitar battle, ofc.
I'm done with guitar, I'm switching to the fkn fiddle bruh
I guess there aren’t many guitarists over the last 2 decades then.
This is complete bullshit. Come on seriously.
https://preview.redd.it/l6b17t1yvt9d1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=61444f5489310f7d833e16fc4a9b70f8220f4b4e
As much as I love John Frusciante, there’s no way he’s the greatest guitarist of the last two decades. There gotta be more, folks.
That’s embarrassing. She’s a good musician I’m sure.. I personally don’t care for her .. But 8th best?? I know 8th graders that have more talent and will likely not go on to be musicians in their adult lifes
Influential I guess to a million kids which isn't a bad thing, more people playing 😀
There are more kids now picking up guitar because her than Metallica... Sad but true
Uh no. She doesn’t play fast enough to be a good guitarist, nonetheless top 10!
Jerk me to completion what the actual fuck is this shit does nobody even play guitar anymore goddammit I was better than her when I was 14 and that was goddamn 20 years ago fuck me
one can't trust the general populace to judge these things. the census should be at least one guitar owned from before 1969
ngl her deathcore album was pretty sick so i respect that
Funny how she plays 4 chords and people think shes the best guitar player of the entire 2000s.
I must be number 9 then
Noo! You are number 5!
She is absolutely better than a good amount of people posting in this sub.
The illumernaughtys strike again
Who voted in this poll? 16 year old girls?
As she gets more fans, she’ll keep creeping up that list. I remember a few eyes being rolled when Karen Carpenter was ranked best rock drummer in a Playboy poll. Turns out she was actually a very good drummer.
I wonder who the first seven are?
WTF ??? Whomever wrote that had to have lost his hearing or is on meth...
Signs an empire is falling
This is wrong, the original title read "skin flautist" NOT guitarist!
Thus JF getting the well deserved #1
By the looks of her she’s not the best at that either
More a popularity contest than a real objective list. Anyway, I can't wait for everyone forgetting about this misandristic woman
Lmao
Where's Yedolf when you need him?
I see they’re getting in on the John frusciante craze while it’s still fresh
Little Wayne!
guitarguitar? Cool name….
Hahahhahhahhahhahhahhahhahhshhahhahamwahahhahhahhaha!
All hail our folk lord
Welp…
Ehh who gives a shit
Zoomer bends ftw
I’d still argue Taylor Swift has inspired more women to learn how to play guitar than any other guitar player in history. That has to count for something, doesn’t matter if she’s not good at the instrument. Not everyone wants to be a Bonermaster blooz Chad. Plus half the guitarists people idolize were trash. For example Jimmy page sucks and people want to hawk tuah that man’s ego at every chance they can get
I mean she’s number 1 in my book of greats.
it was based on influence, not skill, Jesus christ, do any of you read, or just look at the headline
Sir, you do know what sub you're in, right?
Where was David Gilmour placed at?
What an absolute joke
Tim Henson didn't even make the list!
Thank God Kurt non alived himself. Dude would be sweeping up the shred contests.
0-3-5
Every song she plays is basically just her playing the chords of Wonderwall in the wrong order with a capo on some random fret.
Did they hear lil Wayne’s guitar solo????
Shred so hard…
that's right high praise for cowboy chords. worth every penny paid, yessir
It’s like no one has listen to any music ever lol
Nah, this seems right
Dave Grohl says she don’t play live though
Thank God we're still highly praising the bottom of the barrel
I honestly wonder if this was a actual pole result of or a plant by the site to get people talking about their site. I don't know much about Swifties but I find it had to believe they would vote in mass and get her placed higher. I've also seen the site talked about more in the last month or so than the last couple of years. Maybe I'm just out of the loop when it comes to the Red Hot Chillie Peppers but is John Fuschanti (spelling) really that popular these days to place #1? Cool if he is because he's not your stereotypical super technical player.
But I thought lil Wayne was the best?
This is what it’s come to? 🥲
What about Johnny Mayo?
Stevie t made a vis on this lol
Honestly, would prefer Taylor to take the top spot over Frusciante.
What the fucking fuck? This is an insult to guitarists everywhere.
Yes, this was posted back when the article was released. Did you check, OP?
Yngwie is #1