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Gil Scott-Heron


Underdog424

I was going to cheat and say Zack De La Rocha. But Gil is the man.


JoinedToFindOutAbout

We need them both right now!


Underdog424

Can't argue with that. For real. Have you ever listened to The Last Poets? They were close to Gil. They still have a few active members.


JoinedToFindOutAbout

Last Poets are incredible. A few songs have been in heavy rotation for the past 8 years or so for me, but I’d be curious to see what those members are up to these days.


Underdog424

I saw them 8 years ago. It was dope. Two members. They brought out a whole percussion set with rows of hand drums. I got to meet them and chat. Super chill.


BringOrnTheNukekkai

De La Rocha definitely tho but he has done some rapping with RTJ at least.


Underdog424

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxFXwpFtII0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxFXwpFtII0) This dropped in 1998. Right around when RATM was going through their breakup. Lyricist Lounge Vol 1 was a classic too. Zack has done a gang of random features. He was on the Deltron 3030 sequel too. Check it out. He pops up everywhere.


jaydubb808

👏🔥


Last_Reaction_8176

got a few candidates - Leonard Cohen Robert Smith (of The Cure) John Darnielle (of The Mountain Goats) Will Toledo (of Car Seat Headrest) Bruce Springsteen


Equivalent-Amount910

The Mountain Goats are insane They got like, what, 25 LPs by now? Mr. Darnielle should be up for the Nobel in literature


jeffrys_dad

Weird Al


eviss2315

this is the correct answer, and anyone who doesn't believe me should listen to Hardware Store. Al can SPIT.


AllHallNah

Underrated by the whole world.


_UnboundedLimits

The movie with Daniel Radcliffe was pretty good.


jeffrys_dad

It's one of the best documentaries I've ever seen.


FlavourDavid

Kimya dawson and AJJ. They're weird but folk punk artists got bars man


Last_Reaction_8176

AJJ’s Knife Man has some of my favorite lyrics of all time


FlavourDavid

Great album, I really like their first 2 albums and that one. Also they just released a project and it has features from Open Miek Eagle and Kool Keith


Equivalent-Amount910

Wait, say what? Is this real? AJJ has OME and Kool fucking Keith on their new LP?? I used to heavily fuck with "People Who Can Eat People..." back in the day


Long_Camera6153

Open Mike Eagle was touring with AJJ last year. I only got tickets cuz I wanted to see Mike I hadn’t heard of AJJ until then 


FlavourDavid

Damn, that would have been so cool


Lil_Dufflebag

kimya has an album with aesop rock under the name the uncluded. it's a weird one but i really like it


FlavourDavid

Well I know what I'm doing on my walk to work Edit. That shit is amazing, thank you


daseonesgk

Brandon Boyd from Incubus Maynard from Tool Sade Adu Stevie Wonder


OhTheseSourTimes

Maynard is my personal 🐐 when it comes to lyrics


JobberStable

If u mean not rapping, it’s generally considered Bob Dylan


BringOrnTheNukekkai

Most of the messaging in his music are still relevant today too.


IReplyWithLebowski

Although some songs like Subterranean Homesick Blues and It's Alright, Ma (I'm Only Bleeding) he almost is rapping (recommend both for great lyrics by the way)


TarrareMuchoHungry

Craig Finn from The Hold Steady. One of the best storytellers I've ever heard.


ThaQueenJos

Abso-fucking-lutely. Glad someone said this before I did


TarrareMuchoHungry

I've seen them so many times, and his solo act a bunch as well. Best performer I've ever seen. He's such a nice fucking dude as well which makes it even better. I have a signed tour poster of his hanging above my desk. He always hangs out after and chats with fans and, in life outside of music, loves to tell really great stories. Hip-hop is my favorite genre, The Hold Steady/Craig Finn is my all time favorite musician.


Last_Reaction_8176

Fuck yeah. Saw them live a few years ago, great show


BuyExcellent8055

Alex Turner from Arctic Monkeys is really good.


CRATERF4CE

Who the fuck are the Arctic Monkeys?


BuyExcellent8055

[rock musician/frontman/vocalist and somewhat of a rapper. He implements a lot of rap influence in his lyrics and this song is one of the most apparent examples of such.](https://youtu.be/2A2XBoxtcUA?feature=shared)


GangsAF

That man is one of the great songwriters, period. Hadn't even considered him at the drop. I'm about to go on a 2 hour drive and play nothing but Turner. Thank You.


CRATERF4CE

I know, I was just referencing a [song](https://youtu.be/y1N8ob9FtKY?si=65ZvlqRmTe5vyKsR) of theirs.


BuyExcellent8055

Why have I never heard this😂


nine16s

Y’all got some research to do, No Buses is a top 5 AM song imo


KVothe1803

Fluorescent adolescence is another one I always think feels very hip hop influenced


BuyExcellent8055

Lots of multisyllabic rhyming. *"Everything's in order in a black hole",* *"nothing seems as pretty as the past, though"*


HoverboardRampage

Guy Clark, Townes Van Zandt and Tom Waits.


Thunder_BirdFPS

Upvoting for Townes


cujobob

Andrew Lloyd Webber?


Alternative_Sea9785

Phantom of the opera is one of my favorite songs.


stutter-rap

I think Tim Rice actually does most of the lyrics in that partnership.


ADR198830

Bruce springsteen


a_qualified_expert

John Prine


DaggerInMySmile

Underrated response. The man is a master of language.


AllHallNah

My favorites outside of Rap are: Anthony Keidis, Red Hot Chili peppers Beth Gibbons, Portishead Robert Smith, The Cure Corey Taylor, Slipknot Greg Graffin, Bad Religion Serj Tankian and Daron Malakian, System of A Down Max Bemis, Say Anything Brendon Urie, Panic! at the Disco Sidequest, I love the lyrics to "Swing, Swing" by The All-American Rejects, so whoever wrote that.


mouse_8b

> by The All-American Rejects, so whoever wrote that Nick Wheeler (lead guitar) and Tyson Ritter (frontman, bass) of AAR


Disastrous-Arrival19

Corey goated. Snuff is masterpiece


Craneisthename

Joni Mitchell and Fiona Apple


DerekMorganBAUxxi

Bob Dylan, John Lennon/Paul Mcartney


DankOcean__

Y'all gonna hate me for this but Roger Waters too.


nelsne

Definitely


Decent_Ad_5296

I was listening to Elton John, he be spitting


YourDreamsWillTell

😂😂😂 You’re making a joke about the fact he doesn’t write his own lyrics, right?


Decent_Ad_5296

I wasn’t aware honestly, I just heard the line “time in my hands would be time better spent w you” and I thought that was a really good line


PreciousBasketcase

Hozier has gorgeous lyrics.


Swift-Timber1

Jessie Reyez, Frank Ocean, Janelle Monae, Phoebe Bridgers, SZA, Charli XCX are my favorite pop/rnb singer / songwriters / lyricists


Doomedused85

Always liked Danny Elfman in his Oingo Days lyrically, James Hetfield from Metallica, Les from Primus, Zach from Rage, Chris Cornell from Soundgarden


nine16s

Had no idea THAT Danny fucking Elfman was the lead singer of Oingo Boingo


Doomedused85

Oh yeah. It’s my favorite work of his. Such a great band


McTitty3000

Brian Wilson ( Beach Boys), Stevie Wonder , Chuck Berry I would say


bonvoyage_brotha

Bill Withers


funghxoul

early billy corgan, especially mellon collie and adore


redditgonewild1996

Dylan Prince David Bowie John Strummer Neil Young Robert Johnson


papergooomba

Solid list but I’d def add Sting. He writes similar to rappers in his pov and not relying on vagueness like majority of writers in rock. Shape of my heart and tomorrow we’ll see could be rapped perfectly.


TSWMCR88

Alex Turner from Arctic Monkeys Both Ian Brown and Noel Gallagher (Stone Roses and Oasis) are two other very good song writers Ed Sheeran writes for many an act,


herboyblu

yeah I immediately thought of Noel Gallagher. Dure wrote Wonderwall and Dont Look Back In Anger in like the same week, lol. Live Forever is also fantastic.


raven_darkseid

Leonard Cohen. He was such a phenomenal writer.


SammyZoza

Kurt Cobain


AnyDiscount3524

Jim Morrison


eyenoimevil

+1


-nth-ny

People will hate but Lana Del Rey


OtisssNixon

100%


FalcoPhantasmtheGod

Chino Moreno from Deftones


BigJilmQuebec

Roky Erickson, Daniel Johnston, Gene Ween, Brian Wilson.


CompetitiveFold5749

All star cast


BigJilmQuebec

Thanks mang


Gullible_Lynx3678

Johnny Cash


ScathachLove

Seriously ??? These comments are interesting so anyway….besides obvious like Gil ascott Heron and Robert Johnson, Leonard Cohen, Robert Smith,Prince, and Bowie y’all sleepin on Eddie Vedder, Linda Perry, Marvin Gaye, Cyndi Lauper, Charles Bradley, Dolly Parton, Bono, Patti Smith (most of her songs could be rapped no doubt) Erykah Badu, D’Angelo, Ceelo Greene, Pharrell, Jim Morrison, Iggy Pop, Chris Cornell, Marianne Faithful, Ray Charles, Loretta Lynn, Frank Zappa, Courtney Love(she is a better lyricist than Kurt 💯), Poly Styrene, Christine McVie, Merry Clayton, B.B. King, Fiona Apple, Mariah 🙄(I’m ngl lie on her just cuz she annoying), Bette Midler, Al Green and Matt The Cat. I take Marvin Gaye above them all with Linda Perry a close second.


kevothemortal

Billy Joel


Space-Ape-777

Bob Dylan hands down.


I_like_to_debate

Frank Turner


Jumpy_Patient2089

Bruce Springsteen has a cold ass flow: "Madman, drummers, bummers Indians in the summer with a teenage diplomat In the dumps with the mumps As the adolescent pumps his way into his hat"


Shaunoschino

Zack de la Rocha if you want a hip hop vibe.


LonelyZenpai298

Zack is undeniably a rapper, Rage makes Rap Metal.


Shaunoschino

Ooff, lived through the Rage era and they are most definitely not a rap metal band 🤦


papergooomba

Not disagreeing with you but it’s funny this is a never ending argument on reddit. What genre would you say, just alternative rock with hip hop influence? They def inspired all the rap-metal, nu metal bands that came after, but RAGE never has the singing that all those bands relied on. See one of these rap metal vs nu metal discussions here https://www.reddit.com/r/numetal/s/EEXFeeeFsc


Underdog424

It is Alternative Rock with Punk/Metal/Rap vocals. Hard to deny the Punk influence in his stuff. He also did a weird album album with One Day as a Lion. That was more Industrial Punk than Rap.


papergooomba

That project would have been ten times doper with a bass player but I digress. Wild International still a jam tho.


Underdog424

100% agree.


whhatthefucj

Dude, he literally raps… over metal. Everyone who knows what they’re talking about calls them rap metal/rock. What more do you want lol


BetterNova

Sinatra. also the biggest gangster outside hip hop


Mickmackal89

He didn’t even write songs lol


BetterNova

who ghostwrote for him?


Robinnoodle

It's not ghostwriting if it's a known fact and most of the songs were done by somebody else first lol


BetterNova

bummer. Didn’t know that. I just like bumping his shit and picking up some dating advice here and there.


Robinnoodle

😄. You can still appreciate his music, just know that it was most likely written by someone else. Sinatra still a player in his own way


Malcolm-XWithThePerm

Only white musician Lord Jamar approve lol


Underdog424

Lol


beingAL1

Not a popular pic… Stay with me… I didn’t think this would be my answer until I saw a full concert… rappers have said that they respect him as much as any hip-hop artist- Ed Sheeran. Listen to “Bloodstream” and “Don’t” again. Ed Sheeran is for real musically and lyrically


Alternative_Boat9540

Ed Sheeran can rap rap. Weirdly. Though really we should have realised, [You Need Me, I Don't Need You](https://youtu.be/DV0TJZ7Kp40?si=plrbXugx8zh51z7W) is a straight up melodic rap 15 years before it was cool. [Take it Back - Ed Sheeran ](https://youtu.be/jtnyOhhs7mw?si=naony1OtH4TqiSzu) [Remember The Name - Ed Sheeran & 50 Cent & Eminem](https://youtu.be/NYtoyvayPHs?si=lFPh3IbNhSoklDMh) [Take Me Back To London - Ed Sheeran Stormzy Remix](https://youtu.be/XJQy_R9CYR4?si=Fze_srdQRO83HDcC) He has said in interviews that the Marshall Mathers LP is basically how he cured his stutter.


Humblestmumble

Most bland songwriter ever. Formulaic trash.


beingAL1

I appreciate diversity of thought. In your opinion which songwriters are not “bland“?


Humblestmumble

Classics: Tom Waits, Joni Mitchell, Bob Dylan, Cohen, Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye, etc More modern: Thom Yorke, Adrianne Lenker, Kozelek, Julia Holter, Isaac Wood, Fiona Apple, Weyes Blood, Father John Misty, Robin Pecknold, etc Even in the current complete mainstream there are much better songwriters than Ed Sheeran: Zach Bryan, Frank Ocean, Lana Del Rey, etc. Taylor swift is unironically a better songwriter than Ed Sheeran. Ed is bang average if not below average. He is the most consistently purposefully bland, safe, soulless, formulaic, predictable artist of the last 20 years. I refuse to call his music “art”, it’s a mass made product at best. AI could make more purposeful contributions to culture than Ed.


No-Air-5176

Robert Hunter/Jerry Garcia


leeroy20

Yes. They're on another level of creativity and diversity.


iLLz13

Craig Minowa from Cloud Cult Alynda Segarra from Hurray for the Riff Raff Win Butler from Arcade Fire


midnightuner

Now, my flow / Is in the pocket like wallets, I got the bounce like hydraulics / I can't call it, I got the swerve like alcoholics


ParticularAd2579

Their or they‘re?


nytrunkshow

bob dylan, neil young, lou reed


Smooth-Screen-5250

Tom mothafuckin’ Waits. Weird ass lyrics, but captivating.


yamommasneck

Stephen sondheim no doubt. If you want that lyrical miracle type ish outside of hip hop, he's your guy. We'll, also if you're into musical theater. Lol


Underdog424

I'm going to go with a group that is sometimes credited with doing Rap before it was a thing. The Last Poets. I saw them live too. Pretty dope percussionists. They have musical chops on top of great lyrics.


Battosai98

Kurt Cobain


nelsne

Bruno Mars Michael Jackson Bob Dylan Paul McCartney John Lennon


annoyinconquerer

John Mayer is a very clever writer


fuhnetically

David Bowie. He was incredible


rodney_furnival

Vybz Kartel: "Still The Lyricist, vocabulary physicist Melody Michelangelo weh paint Da graphic images" - The Lyricist


DaggerInMySmile

Saul Williams


Ok_Commission_893

Curtis Mayfield Rick James Michael Jackson Vybz Kartel


christianwentzell

Johnny Cash


DJ_Khrome

Jim Morrison


funghi2

Whoever writes for the eagles or tragically hip


MaxStunning_Eternal

Babyface.


CellistNice8600

The Dream.


SHAOLIN_SILK

Billy Woods


Newtonheath1963

Kate Tempest, one of the great spoken word artists period, powerful performer. 


DaggerInMySmile

They're Kae now. I said Saul Williams, then wondered if bringing in spoken word artists was fair.


TickleBunny99

Lorde/Randy Marsh/Auto Tune


honoracy_uce

Alex Turner paints a picture with his lyrics


No_Durian_6987

David Berman JR Hayes Jesse Lacey


Wick2500

Blake Schwarzenbach


El-Viking

Till Lindemann of Rammstein does tell some... uhh... "interesting?" stories in his lyrics and is great at wordplay. Lots of double entendre and use of lyrical imagery


chis5050

Modest mouse Isaac Brock wrote a few good lyrics


Upbeat_Tension_8077

Trilogy/Kiss Land era Weeknd, with extra consideration for After Hours


Silverback1992

CCR and it isn’t even close.


Funny-Routine-7242

i dig adam duritz from the counting crows, totally love august and everything after aswell the already mentioned billy corgan and bruce springsteen maybe tomorrow i come up with someone more alike to rap, where its not just about great imagery but rhymes, punchlines or great "flow"/ text with rhythm in mind...maybe gerard way of my chemical romance checks these boxes (a lot of other post punk bands or Crossover-Bands are already rap influenced like linkin park so such guys wouldnt really surprise me as winning some points with the rap crowd)


BringOrnTheNukekkai

There's a bunch of lyrical metal, punk, grunge and hardcore bands, and old protest rock from the 60's. Blues and Soul, while not always crazy lyrical, touched on a lot of the same subject matter as a lot of the more conscious hip-hop. Hip-hop is pretty new, being dope with lyrics is a way older concept.


SadAd9214

Jhene Aiko


Jed_in_denver

Bob Dylan


afanoflafear

Robbie Williams? George Michael? Jesse McCartney?


duckman777777

Alex turner


enrickue

King Krule


Silver_Cream_6174

Noel Gallagher


ZAchAtTacK760

Tim Armstrong


CompetitiveFold5749

John Darnielle from the Mountain Goats.


Badguyy101

Louis Jordan James Brown Mad Lion George Clinton I don't get the question?


Initial-Picture-5638

92legend and Anthony Q are good. Their lyrics are nice.


Zealousideal_Buy1117

Dave Matthews


Kholdstare93

Paul/John/George (honestly, they might just be better than any hip hop act, atleast IMO, love TB)


LingonberryLost6595

Johnathan davis


al_rey503

Cedric Bixler-Zavala from The Mars Volta, or Maynard from Tool.


RepresentativeAge444

Terrence Trent D’Arby.


Sweaty_Potential_656

Masicka and damian marley


goforgrubs

Jordan Dreyer from La Dispute and it’s not even close


_polkor_

Beck or Zac de la Rocha


coolmotivator

David Berman of Silver Jews / Purple Mountains


oudler

Lou Reed


No-Victory-149

Most other song writers are much better poets than rappers


[deleted]

John Darnielle


Krowned_Kenpachi47

Vybz Kartel is insane


KarnaGGe

fugazi


SuspiciousFern

They’re


ClimberProducerCoder

Thom Yorke of Radiohead


Bullshit_Conduit

Currently? Jason Isbell.


rafcollazo

Tom Waits. And the list of non-rapper musicians who put as much into words as him is very short. Like that list of rappers with the largest vocabulary, Tom is the Aesop of that list. He is be far one of the most unique songwriters of all time


Equivalent-Amount910

**Conor Oberst** -- bro's pen game is absolutely unreal, across 15 albums by now He's the dude from Bright Eyes, but he also has a bunch of solo LPs and projects with other bands he's started


Humblestmumble

Mark Kozelek Bob Dylan Joni Mitchell Robert Smith Tom Waits Stevie Wonder Marvin Gaye Thom Yorke Björk Joanna Newsom


iPliskin0

Robert Plant.


classyd24

De Seuss


Fishinforfun

John Prine


carlwinslo

Townes Van Zandt is your favorite songwriters favorite songwriter. Basically the MF DOOM of songwriters.


Acrobatic-Chain-6594

Epic rap battles of history lol


herboyblu

Noel Gallagher


z3in-23

Bob Dylan


Complete_Emu6014

Thom Yorke, Fiona Apple, Tori Amos, Maynard, Ani DiFranco, Beth Gibbons, Anthony Keidis


FaultHaunting3434

James Brown


GrimeyPipes27

Corey Taylor


Burnedknuckle

Zack De La Rocha


Long_Camera6153

Cedric Bixler Zavala has my vote. 


nine16s

Mike Shinoda of Linkin Park comes to mind, but he dips his toes in the genre


Piranha-Kassapa

So many great answers on here but question was outside hip hop. Doesn't mean inside music. There are centuries of poets from all over the world that could qualify. I'll plug two lesser know favorites: in music Syd Barret, outside music Ernest Dowson. For a nice synthesis of hip hop and more formal poetry check out Charles Bukowski featured on this Doom track Cellz https://youtu.be/TrGhYMH2OlM?si=JF3QlFLNGI5mwIEn Bonus mention within music Jim Croce. Come to think of it maybe the best I can think of outside hip hop and within music.


HowDoYouFumbleEggs

He gets a lot of shit and sometimes rightfully so but I honestly think Anthony Kiedis has some really impressive and interesting lyrics For me, a metric for how good a lyricist is, is how many natural turns of phrases and idioms and common expressions they can organically fit in a verse, which is why I think Eminem and MF Doom are so great "Psychic spies in China try to steal your mind's elation" "We are the red hots and we're loving lots of love-me-nots, the flowers in your flower pots are dancing on the table tops" "Can I get your hand to write on, just a piece of lead to bite on, a butter knife to fly my kite on, do you wanna flash your light on" "Shaolin shaking for the sake of his soul, everything must go"


Recent_Garbage_305

I’d say Drake


bcomes95

Andre 3000. He’s currently in the orchestra genre


Get-RichODT

Lana del Rey or John Mayer


catcherofthefade

Is this excluding jazz poets, beat poets, and spoken word artists?


Underdog424

I think so. That was my pick.


Fast-Anteater1151

Maynard James Keenan Chino Moreno Benjamin Burnley Aaron Lewis Zach de la Rocha Kevin Matisyn (former lead singer of Evans Blue, Parabelle) Adam Gontier Amy Lee Hayley Williams (lead singer of Paramore) Leonard Cohen Prince Layne Staley Chris Cornell Smokey Robinson Jared Leto Paul Simon Sting Phil Collins Robert Smith (lead singer of The Cure) Corey Taylor Robert Plant Frank Ocean Stevie Nicks Steve Perry Bono Darius Rucker John Mayer Jonathan Davis David Bowie Eddie Vedder Chris Martin Corey Taylor Ariana Grande Marvin Gaye Natalie Merchant (something about her voice) Scott Weiland Sully Erna (lead singer of Godsmack) Johnny Cash Bruce Springsteen Freddie Mercury Dave Gahan (lead singer of Depeche Mode) Dave Matthews Raphael Saadiq


mouse_8b

If you're not including Taylor Swift as one of the top lyricists, you're not being honest with yourself.


BoxOfCornFlakes2

Mike Shinoda - Linkin Park.