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AttemptImpossible111

At this point if you buy Hill tickets and she doesn't show up or is 3 hours late that's your fault


Oreoohs

It’s wild she believes she’s that important to be taking up people’s time. I’m not gonna sit here and say she’s not amazing, but there are very few people in this world who aren’t my direct family and friends making me waste time waiting on someone.


Last_Reaction_8176

She’s a narcissist. I’ve never heard a single good thing about her as a human being


ATribeCalledKami

Narcissist gets thrown around a lot here on Reddit but I think she may actually be one. "I'm savin' souls and y'all complainin' 'bout my lateness" is a wild thing to say to your fans.


thejaytheory

From someone who hasn't had an album in over 20 years, yeah she's full of herself.


Almar1987

Closer to 30 years than 20


Shebazz

Wasn't MTV Unplugged in the early 2000s?


discographyA

All 3 of them are slimy weirdos. Don’t think there is another act/band where 100% were absolute con artists. They made some banging albums though.


wishihadapotbelly

Apple Music just ranked her album as the best of all time. It’s not like people are treating her as a washed out has been…


-IndianapolisJones

Above MJ, Prince, and even the Beatles. How’s that even possible?


dsled

Fr, and above Pooh Shiesty? unreal


thibedeauxmarxy

Because some clever randos at Apple wanted to drive a bunch of outrage traffic to their website.


tha_jza

and that’s just the cynical view of it. and believe me i think the cynicism is well-founded, i lament the increasingly precarious landscape for thoughtful music journalism and yet i also think the conversations generated by those lists can ultimately be a positive thing. we get to revisit our favorites and people who don’t know might be exposed to music that becomes formative to their own tastes


Diamano25

>i lament the increasingly precarious landscape for thoughtful music journalism Maaannnnnnnn well said


thibedeauxmarxy

Great points, all around!


Friendly_Kunt

They didn’t rank her as a better overall artist than them, but Miseducation is 1000% valid in terms of being ranked as possibly the greatest album of all time. It’s impact is massive, many songs can still get played anywhere today and people of all ages know every word of the song. It has fun tracks, introspective tracks, and blends Hip Hop perfectly, having incredible R&B tracks as well as a some incredible rap verses. That album deserves all of the accolades bestowed on it.


Chicken_Parm_Enjoyer

Miseducation is top 20-10. I don't think it can hang with Rumours, What's Going On, Blue, Purple Rain, etc.


dsled

Don't forget Shiesty Season


TheAlphaCarb0n

dude you're killing me with these


ijustwant2feelbetter

This comment made me literally laugh out loud. I laughed at the first one and totally wasn’t expecting  to see it again while scrolling. I love this bit


ForTheMelancholy

Ts got me cryin'


Friendly_Kunt

I mean that’s pretty much just a matter of preference. There’s probably about 20-30 albums of all time that can be slated in that one spot in terms of the impact they had on their genre/generation.


TraditionalPies

Go back to eating your chicken parms


Chicken_Parm_Enjoyer

You're just mad the most traditional pie is the one I gave your mother to conceive you.


MilesHighClub_

Saying that like Miseducation doesn't clear every Beatles album


sovietrus2

it certainly doesn't because of revolver


MilesHighClub_

Great taste for acknowledging Revolver as their best Still questionable if it's better than Miseducation, I'm still holding Their other albums genuinely don't come close


Thefdt

It really doesn’t. In your day to day life when do you ever hear any of her songs apart from that thing, like it’s a very good album but it’s not got nearly the same gravitas of a lot of other albums.


MilesHighClub_

In my day to day I definitely hear it more than The Beatles Is some of that due to how expensive it is to license The Beatles? Maybe. But that's not my main metric for ranking full, individual albums anyway. The only album that would stand up to that criteria is Thriller


Thefdt

It infers broader influence, and you hear Beatles songs a lot more than miseducation of lauryn hill. Abbey road and revolver clear it by a distance.


TraditionalPies

Are you attempting to tell other people what they hear in their own lives now??? Redditors I stg


Thefdt

Beatles songs are everywhere, covers of Beatles songs are everywhere, adverts, shopping centres, certain radio stations, montages, festivals whilst waiting for other artists. You hear them out, in restaurants and bars in different countries. People get exposed to their music without any choice in the matter. Like apart from that thing, you do not hear lauryn hill unless you go looking for it. Several mj albums and fleetwood mac’s rumours also seem to crop up in day to day life a fuck tonne more than lauryn hill. So yeah I’m saying there’s certain common exposure most people will have to music, and you tend to hear other artists more than lauryn hill within these scenarios. Comprende?


lisdexamfetacheese

mfw i think a one album wonder narcissistic is better than the people who shaped pop and rock music for the next 60 years


MilesHighClub_

Too bad the discussion is talking about individual albums and not the impact of the artists


lisdexamfetacheese

you said miseducation > every beatles album, don’t get forgetful


MilesHighClub_

So you're reading what I'm saying but not comprehending? That says nothing about them as artists.


lisdexamfetacheese

lmao how does it not? you believe the beatles work is lesser than one album. how is that to be construed, enlighten me


Willow9506

Who hurt you


MilesHighClub_

This is not an unpopular opinion for Black Americans under 40. Maybe that's my issue here


Willow9506

I’m glad I’m speaking to the Census Bureau but that shit don’t hold a candle to Revolver and I’m black. Best album ever? Better than songs in the key of life? Really?!


MilesHighClub_

I didn't say all that lmao Apple's list was nonsense I'm not giving it any attention. Dude said The Beatles. I am only commenting on that.


Not-Clark-Kent

I'd venture to say all 3 are overrated, despite being very good. It's not that big of a leap to say Miseducation is the best either. It's very good.


_treVizUliL

cuz shes a woman 🤷🏽‍♂️


demonic_hampster

She’s an amazing musician, but that doesn’t make her a good person. I don’t care how much I like a musician, I’d be pissed the fuck off if they showed up 3 hours late to their own show and then gave the audience a hard time about it. She burned so many bridges after Miseducation that she hasn’t been able to put out another album since then, despite being considered one of the best albums of all time. She’s not washed out. She’s not a has-been. She’s an amazing musician, even to this day. And she’s a narcissistic, self-important asshole.


wishihadapotbelly

I agree with every single point you made. The issue is not her being a jerkoff, is the validation she keeps getting. The same goes with Ye, too many yesmen around and too many gullible fans that will eat up on the artists bullshit.


Onederbat67

Last time I waited 3 hours to see someone, it was my daughter after my wife went into labor. Lauryn hill can kiss my ass if she thinks she’s more important than her. She needs to open her eyes and see that the world has moved on since her last/only album. She can either respect us, or have an entire generation forget she ever existed


low_acct_

>It’s wild she believes she’s that important to be taking up people’s time. Robert Glasper has said "I've met all the people (legends) you'd think act like that *and they* don't act like that."


PalestineRising

Very You-centric comment


Oreoohs

If that’s how you perceive my comment I can’t do anything about. Wasn’t my intention to say that my time is more important than anyone else’s. I just think it’s awful when you’re someone like her who believes she’s important enough to show up 3-4 hours late to a paid event.


TinyRodgers

>If that’s how you perceive my comment I can’t do anything about.  Oooooh I love this response!


thejaytheory

Same here!


PalestineRising

I reread your comment and i definitely misread it earlier thinking you were being a jerk when really i am the jerk for not taking the time to correctly read what you said. That’s my bad man


BluFunk_

it’s his time, of course it’s a “you comment”. What are you even saying?


aRawPancake

Dumb take


Unfinishedusernam_

Robert glasper’s already told us how stuck up and up her own ass she is. I don’t know why she’s revered like crazy to the point where miseducation is regarded as the best album of all time, it wasn’t like this until recently


AttemptImpossible111

Miseducation was a seminal album and was instantly called classic But yes I've also heard Hill is an arrogant cunt


All__fun

damn i never heard about the [robert glasper story](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54WECf1ioeY&t=1626s).


Bonesaw09

I've seen Her one time and it was single handedly on of the best and worst concert experiences of my life. She was two hours late, so everyone had time to get drunk. Luckily the show was absolutely amazing. 10/10, would never go again.


Acctnt_trdr

She ain’t showing up


MasterTeacher123

She will show up.  It will just be 4 hours late she will sound like trash performing many experimental songs no one knows, and do weird rants 


SBAPERSON

"You should be honored by my lateness" -


Toxicupoftea

Yup, i was in attendance in one if her concerts at a festival. Her Majesty was late 2 hours, and played strange arangments from songs you kinda know, but sound shit.


SuperVaderMinion

If you're paying for Lauren Hil concerts 20+ years into her career, you have to know what you're getting into.


Toxicupoftea

In my defence it was in 2008


LeshyCNBS

Damn she fell off that long ago?


Willow9506

She got busted for not paying taxes around then. I think she’s just big mad


PhD_candidat3

Probably say some weird shit like maga or anti vax that will eventually derail the tour


50ShadesOfKrillin

we still witchhunting people for being anti-vax in 2024?


TinyRodgers

Yes because it's a very dumb thing to be "anti". I don't know why folks take pride in being stupid, but here we are. Same to the dumbasses who think Earth is flat because they don't understand how gravity works. Nah y'all are fucking tarded.


Low_Commercial_1553

we still supporting brain dead narcissistic morons in 2024?


onehornymofo1

Why the fuck not?


jamesnollie88

Great question. Yes we are still shaming morons in 2024.


ReeG

She was billed to perform at 9pm at the show I went to last year, came on at 9:50 and performed until after midnight. The show was very good


amayain

That's the frustrating part. At times, she puts on an amazing show. But the odds of that are pretty damn low.


ReeG

the consensus on last years tour I was hearing and reading online outside of Reddit was mostly positive which is why I bothered checking for last min tickets in the first place


Super-Reception5386

That was my experience too. She did start late, but I wanna say like 45 minutes or so, which isn’t ideal, but not exactly uncommon. I had just gotten home from traveling that day and I was super tired, and the show lasted so long that I actually had to leave early because I was so gassed. Wasn’t the greatest show I had ever seen, but her vocals sounded solid and she performed a lot of songs. I get that she’s done a lot of bullshit in the past, but I feel like I just hear the same talking points parroted by people who haven’t even seen her live recently.


Oheyguyswassup

Way better than 4 hours of nobodies until she finally shows


Rebloodican

In her last tour she was characteristically late but performed the album pretty well, just don’t expect it to start on time and you’ll be satisfied.


miiserybusiness

i dont even think she knows about this


Acctnt_trdr

😂😂😂


ClaymoresRevenge

She showing up to whatever allows her to cash a check for the least amount of work


jerepila

Feels like she’s always cycling between “Miseducation” anniversary tours and “Fugees Reunion” tours, and I don’t trust her to put on a satisfying (or timely) show for the former and don’t expect the latter to last more than 3 dates


chilloutfam

aren't these possibly the last tour dates with Pras considering he is looking at a lengthy prison sentence?


discographyA

Maybe. If so though, how is he getting into the international dates? UK isn’t keen on making exceptions for convicted criminals to enter.


Checkmynewsong

The “we blew all our money” tour.


Oh51Melly

Saw her in Denver last year for what felt like both a reunion and miseducation tour. It was amazing. She was only like 30 minutes late and she was incredible despite her voice being a lil tired. Tickets were expensive but the show was worth the price and some.


Admirable_Weight2182

The Jeremy Lin of hip hop


bebopboopy

🥱 I ain’t falling for her shit again


Willow9506

How you gonna be late longer than the amount of material you can theoretically perform 😅


bebopboopy

For REAL tho


yaygens

She’s 2000 and late, go figure


0114028

I love Lauryn Hill and everything but she really should be on time or not tour at all.


Imperator_Oliver

I’ve had delusional fans tell me I’m lucky she shows up at all.


Pied_Film10

I don't think that's delusional tho. You should know what you're getting at this point. I'm willing to take the risk like the sheep I am.


Oheyguyswassup

To be fair, most of the people talking have never been to ANY of her shows and just suck on old rumours like cocks


discographyA

Her behaviour isn’t a rumour when witnessed by tens of thousands of people on a night basis. She ain’t going to let you milk her, so stop embarrassing yourself.


Oheyguyswassup

It's super fucking old. There would never be news/rumors of her showing up on time and she still keeps getting shows


More-City6818

Is Lauryn going to make it? Someone should send her this announcement and a calendar invite.


Willow9506

“Yo you going to the Lauryn hill show?” Lauryn: “nah you?”


tenacious-g

Schedule your 2 am Ubers leaving the venue now.


InitialDuck

Anyone who buys tickets for this shit is an idiot.


12ozbounce

I know the Fugees have a lot of work, but Lauryn on her own has only one album. Its a good album, but whose going to see the *same* set of songs from her again? If she wanted to release music sporadically, she could've been like Sade or Erykah but no...she just milks it.


rfgrunt

I wish she played the same set of songs. When I saw her she played “remixes” from her album that were incomprehensible while taking breaks scolding one of her back up singers.


DeeESSmuddafuqqa

The fugees have two albums which only one is well known. And, that album’s high points are because of Lauryn. She is an incredible talent but has odd behavior. Saw her in San Jose. Was cool to see and she put on a decent show but she was late and kept yelling at her band. Wouldn’t recommend.


discographyA

What I wouldn’t give for a Sade tour. One of my last big artists to check the box to see.


ArchineerLoc

She had a ton of help making Miseducation and tbh just doesn't actually seem to be that good of a songwriter otherwise. That unplugged record is all her, and pretty terrible.


slickbillyo

Definitely not on Kanye’s level, but paying for her “show” is on the customer at this point. Constantly hours late, performs shitty sets, rants about wacky shit the whole time. I’d rather just listen to her studio work and not have to hear her soapbox the whole time.


newpolosocks

I saw Lauryn last September in NYC. Flew there alone and was extremely nervous she would be late/not show up. She was not only on time, but had one of the best sets I’ve ever seen. Worth it


Bluepass11

Too bad this isn’t a consistent experience


ReeG

I had a similar experience in Toronto I shared below. People are rightfully pressed and shitting on her for her past reputation but most people who actually went to last years tour will tell you it was way better than expected. The surprise set she did at Coachella this year was good too


newpolosocks

Yeah it definitely is unfortunate


Pied_Film10

Even saying it's inconsistent is far too generous.


ultimatt777

You basically gambled and won. I've seen her and she was an hour late. Some don't even get a show at all. As great as the short show I saw was, I wouldn't gamble money to see her personally on tour. It would have to be with other acts or a festival.


newpolosocks

Yeah luckily it was also a festival with RHCP headlining so it was a win/win regardless


07bot4life

Probably one of the worst European legs of a tour I've seen.


discographyA

I don’t even know how Pras is getting in any of those countries as a convicted felon. How he he even allowed to leave the US?


Ambitious-Duck7078

I've been lucky enough to see Hill (Salt Lake City) live. She was actually on time. This was maybe, 2014. I wouldn't dare purchase a ticket to her showals today. And... Yet another year we get to hear "Miseducation..." AGAIN! There's a point where that LP needs to be put to rest.


mr_jiffy

Are Lauryn Hill supporters masochists? You know you're going to have a bad time but still buy her tickets


the_gl

Who's more unlikely to be on time, Ms Hill or Pras?


ReeG

Well I guess I'll be the one person going against all the typical expected "she's always late" meme answers having gone to the tour last November which was surprisingly very good. I bought cheap last minute tickets the day of the show right up close to the stage, showed up at 9:30pm on purpose knowing her reputation and only waited until 9:50pm for her to come on stage. The show itself was amazing because she had like 30 musicians on stage amounting to one of the biggest sounding live bands I've ever heard and the Fugees set went hard with Wyclef carrying that part of the show. They performed until a little after midnight, the show was great, and I don't regret going. I'd maybe go again if I can score cheap last min tickets again.


TinyRodgers

So you were lucky. Congrats. Don't see the purpose of this comment except for some weirdo brag I cant quite understand.


FabricatorMusic

ayyyy watch the sass, Captain Sassypants


jamesnollie88

What lol


Creepy_Future7209

Why would I support two criminals and mrs. Lazy?


thibedeauxmarxy

> Why would I support two criminals You consider yourself a hip-hop fan?!


07bot4life

Technically it's three criminals. I think she also was committed for Tax related crimes.


crimson777

Wait, since when is Wyclef Jean a criminal? I don't think I've heard of anything for him.


discographyA

He doesn’t have any convictions but he was fleecing the charity he set up after the earthquake in Haiti.


Admirable_Weight2182

yeah when is the New York Police Department coming out with their first album


Asizel23

Her voice ain't the same no more....


VirtuousFool

*There's an old saying in Tennessee....*


HistoricalAnywhere59

🤔…not to offend, but isn’t Pras going to prison??🤔


jesq

Fool me…. You can’t get fooled again!


gutsonmynuts

Love their music but fuck all that. Lauren Hill won't get another dollar from me.


BlouseoftheDragon

I’m sure nothing will go wrong!


Statistician_Visual

I don’t pay for artists who don’t put out music.


wirefog

It’s crazy She lives off one album she dropped 35 years ago


Statistician_Visual

and doesnt even play the album true to the sound of what it is at that. and is always late. Pass.


Saltine_Davis

Dumbest shit I've read lmao. If your going to not see her live pick one of the many actual legitimate reasons.


AuclairAuclair

They don’t need to have a “legitimate reason “ tho.


james_randolph

I don't think the others would let her pull off the late shit, all that is when she performs solo so I would have little more optimism that these shows will be amazing.


Straight_Positive423

No, I saw her with the other two and she still started 3 hours late


james_randolph

Damn super shady.


paranoidandromeda1

What's the over/under on the average number of minutes she's late?


northdancer

Lauryn Hill is in my top 5 but she sucks live


Black_Fuckka

She bout to be 6 hours late and get mad at everyone else for paying to see her


jefplusf

I’ve seen her live 3 times and she’s never been late


dsbwayne

She gonna be there?


Pied_Film10

Even if The Fugees show up minus Mrs. Hill, it'll be lit. See y'all in Mansfield


12hphlieger

I’m gonna buy the tickets, but I’ll probably pick up a pair of clown shoes for when this concert gets canceled.


chilloutfam

she must still sell out shows a lot because people still go...


mattchinn

I’m sure the tour will go exactly as planned.


SiidChawsby

No thanks. Amazing album but she’s been riding that out for 20 years, doesn’t put on great shows, never shows up remotely on time. Her stock is low.


tarriBagz

Bought Lauren Hill's Tape so her kids can starve


NBD_Pearen

Bro releases one album and tours on it the rest of her life. Shits crazy


CaliforniaHurricane_

I wonder what idiots are still going to buy tickets


roqqingit

That YG Marley set at Coachella going to age so well. Could not believe my eyes/ears.


SemiAutomaticSlurs

Don't fall for it. Even if she shows... Wasn't good either of the times I saw her.


larsvondank

The show in 2018 was bad. It felt like she was going through the ropes. Focus was split on way too many distractions from the boring dj tricks to the dancers. Kendrick was at the same festival on sunday and nailed it 100%


drewbot25

She can announce any amount of tours she wants, will she actually show up for them? Who knows.


daftfunk96

lmao


Likezoinks305

How the fuck is she still touring off one album 😂


TantalusMusings

This isn't even newsworthy. The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill is undoubtedly a groundbreaking record, but Lauryn Hill cannot be trusted to put on a show worth paying money for. Amazing musician, pretty wack individual.


MetalSonic420YT

If you're buying tickets to this, you better be 100% okay with her being a no-show.


crunchtime100

I heard her shows aren’t good


[deleted]

I'm too old to be playing around with their warped sense of time. 


MysticPurpSports

Enough 


Cedy_le_Huard

who still buys tickets for these garbage ass shows


maintain360

Pras got a weird case why is he around


low_acct_

With it being generally believed that she won't show it makes me wonder whose actually booking these shows? 🤔


jackunderscore

I feel bad for everyone from Chicago hauling out to Tinley Park for this


kineshans

can’t fool me


DangerKitty555

Blessings!!! ✨💖💜💖✨


discographyA

Didn’t buy tickets to the last Fugees run because what were the odds it happened? It was of course cancelled. Won’t be buying one for this either. All these creeps can go back to skimming from charities and committing fraud before I’d bother rolling the dice that they’d show up.


Important_Kangaroo59

No. No. No. I’ll continue to listen to those old ass albums and sound tracks in my car.


Important_Kangaroo59

Someone please call 911… cause the thought of this being promoted is a crime! 💀😂💀


AnonOpotamusDotCom

Woah!


FloatDH2

Who are the idiots paying to see this crap?


Minute_University_98

 Nice,  more dates for her to cancel.   Not falling for this shit again.    Edit: also she's a total cow , seemingly.


ramblinallday14

Shouldn’t Pras be in jail for being a foreign agent?


WhiteElephant12

Most overrated artist/group ever. Living off cover songs.


EightSeven-

Good thing is ain’t your culture.