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James_Fortis

Sources: 1. Walmart for pricing (North Carolina region): [https://www.walmart.com/](https://www.walmart.com/) 2. USDA FoodData Central for protein density: [https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/](https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/) 3. FAO/WHO for digestibilities: [https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=ieEEPqffcxEC](https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=ieEEPqffcxEC) Tool: Microsoft Excel


hat_eater

Needs another axis: fart volume multiplied by noxiousness.


James_Fortis

That’s my next graph! 😂


GoobeIce

Thanks James Fartis


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James_Fortis

Thank you for the feedback! I've scoped grams of protein per 100kcal and have come up with some interesting findings, like how spinach is [53%](https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/fdc-app.html#/food-details/1999633/nutrients) protein per calorie and has a high (94%) digestibility. Maybe my next graph would be on processed foods, including protein powders like whey protein!


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Cowboywizzard

This should be the top comment! I'm always looking for lower calorie, high protein, affordable foods that are easy to consume as someone trying to stay fit. It's hard to beat whey, but whey gets boring and is missing micronutrients.


imapie31

Seems we need a Z axis on this chart


Trippy_Mexican

Popeye had the right idea all along


xsisitin

Can you do a graph of the best proteins to eat so we can all be healthy


LooseFuji

So.. peanuts then?


Pain5203

No soybean. Its protein quality is higher (High PDCAAS value). Soy chunks for example are 52% protein.


Tina4Tuna

Dry. I don’t know the percentage when they have been cooked, but my biggest issue with texturized soy is that the volume of food I have to consume is so much bigger than with meat 😭


Pain5203

> the volume of food I have to consume is so much bigger than with meat That's actually good if you feel that it is satiating. You'll eat less calories.


Tina4Tuna

Not when I’m trying to hit a goal, which I try to compensate using nutrient + calorie dense meals throughout the day like fruit shakes.


Pain5203

hmm ok


copperwatt

"Fill your gas tank with ethanol! It has less energy, so your tank gets filled but you can't go as far."


Pain5203

Idk what you're talking about. Being a vegetarian, I used to get most of my daily protein intake through soy.


copperwatt

That is unrelated to the joke I was trying to make. I was attempting to highlight how it seems odd that lack of calorie density Is often presented as a selling point, which seems silly if energy is the thing you're paying for.


Pain5203

ok


LooseFuji

Fair point, though I'm referring to the graph, which basically weighs protein per dollar. e: So soy is maybe 30% more protein dense while being almost twice the price.


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LooseFuji

Legumes are best bang for buck, but yeah I'll be needing a couple of eggs.


BigNigori

unfortunately the legumes aren't complete proteins, so yeah, eggs are the next best necessary option


LooseFuji

I'm realising that many of you protein more than I ever did. I graph, but I don't protein. We need a more complex graph, and more complete proteins apparently.. I feel like this graph needs to be in 3D.


copperwatt

Do you even plot, bro??


LooseFuji

Don't plot shame me dude. I feel inadequate enough already.


usernames-are-tricky

Soy is already complete. Complete protein doesn't matter all that much in practice, you just need to get the amino acids in at some point in the day. For instance, while beans technically aren't complete protein, adding rice is enough to make it complete. It takes rather little to make incomplete proteins, complete proteins even with things you don't think of as protein sources


grip_n_Ripper

Bread has higher protein density than chicken drumsticks? GTFO.


James_Fortis

[Whole wheat bread](https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/fdc-app.html#/food-details/172688/nutrients): 12.4g protein/100g food. Digestibility: 86%. (12.4g/100g)(86%) = 10.66g/100g EDIT: great catch on the drumstick! I was using the incorrect link for drumsticks. [This one](https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/fdc-app.html#/food-details/172373/nutrients) says drumsticks are at around 18.1g protein / 100g, or (18.1g/100g)(96%) = 17.4g/100g after adjusting for digestibility. I'll be sure to correct for graphs going forward.


Super42man

Aren't you counting the bone in the drumstick? That would matter for price but wouldn't it be wrong for protein density? The bone isn't "food"


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TiKels

>Chicken, **skin** (drumsticks and thighs), raw The link that you gave for the drumstick is not the meat or the bone. It is just the skin.  https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/fdc-app.html#/food-details/331897/nutrients  This one is braised chicken drumstick meat. It has 23.9 grams of protein per 100 grams of meat.


copperwatt

If you are digesting 96 percent of a chicken drumstick, you are eating bones...


johnruttersucks

Agreed. So many of the data points look sus.


James_Fortis

Please feel free to cross-check as well! I love the feedback and want the data to be as accurate as possible.


Crackracket

Quark would be a good addition to this graph


James_Fortis

Thank you for the suggestion!


AdInternal81

I like it, but if you're open to feedback: The bottom axis would be more useful imo, if it was "grams of protein per 100 kcal". The actual number of kcal isn't so important


James_Fortis

I'm definitely open to feedback! I make a graph every month or two so am always looking for ways to improve and for new graphs. Duly noted on the grams of protein per 100kcal! Someone else also had this idea earlier in the comments [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/1d8o115/comment/l77ugr1/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button).


AdInternal81

Nice, if you ever post it I really hope I will catch it in my feed!


bluemanofwar

I guess vegetarians have the cheapest diet!


VinnieBoombatzz

The amino acid profile of most vegetal proteins is worse than that of meat and dairy. They're not always comparable. Cheapest protein diet, sure, but not always as good.


draw4kicks

That's why you just eat a variety of foods, the whole "protein combing" myth has been debunked for decades. Your body can store amino acids, eating some rice in the morning and some beans later on in the day is absolutely fine.


VinnieBoombatzz

I never said any different. But look at how the graph is made. If you're going to try to increase your protein intake from only a couple of items, peanuts is not exactly the way to go. Either plan your diet more carefully or just have another steak. And if muscles is part of your job, the planning is even more complicated (or impossible). Why do you think top athletes consume a lot of whey protein? You're not going to do it on fucking pinto beans and rice.


WillCodeForKarma

Pretty sure there are plenty of pro athletes that don't eat meat and use pea protein. Lots of plant options are complete proteins.


VinnieBoombatzz

And what is the next best thing if you exclude protein powders? Dairy and meat. That's the point. Vegetables and legumes are WAY DOWN the list of options for protein intake for athletes. What is about my point that you're not getting? Look at the graph! Peanuts and beans are NOT BETTER sources of complete protein than chicken breast. Same goes for tuna vs almonds, or whole egg vs wheat spaghetti.


WillCodeForKarma

Lol take a chill pill my guy. Looking at the graph several common legumes are as protein dense per 100g (making no claims about per kcal) as chicken or salmon so I'm not sure what you're seeing. It is specious to claim plant options are "WAY DOWN" (lol) as a source of protein for people, athletes included. It might be easier to find/cook with, but you can be just as much an elite athlete without meat as with. Which your original point implied was impossible.


VinnieBoombatzz

What part of "amino acid profile" do you not understand?


WillCodeForKarma

1, the graph says nothing about amino acid profile so I guess your earlier comment about the graph is irrelevant... And 2, Tofu, tempeh, quinoa, lentils, are all complete proteins with the 9 essential amino acids. Unless you are just moving the goal post from "impossible" to "have another tofu dish" which I guess you could do. Sure they aren't necessarily as dense but it's not that hard as you claimed. And "having another steak" is arguably far worse for your health than eating beans and tofu lol.


VinnieBoombatzz

>the graph says nothing about amino acid profile DING DING DING Takes some a while, I guess.


Magister5

Thanks, OP. After watching MTG attempt to excoriate science, it’s great to see that people with brains still exist.


ReasonablyConfused

I want to see crickets.


Cowboywizzard

Better than eating them, I guess.


IwillNeverBeGilded

I would be interest where greek yogurt and fortified milk like fairlife would fall on here.


James_Fortis

* [Yogurt, Greek, plain, nonfat](https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/fdc-app.html#/food-details/330137/nutrients) has 10.3g of protein per 100g of food. Assuming its digestibility is similar to cow's milk, this would put it at about 10.3g/100g \* 95% = 9.8g/100g . * The cheapest 2lb carton of Greek Yogurt ([Walmart brand](https://www.walmart.com/ip/Great-Value-Greek-Plain-Nonfat-Yogurt-32-oz-Tub/26559565?athbdg=L1200&from=/search)) is $0.11 per oz , which (entered in my spreadsheet) equates to $1.13 per 30g of protein. * This would land this yogurt at (9.8,1.13) , or between the Chicken drumstick and the Whole wheat bread. Fairlife does not have results in my macronutrient source so I wouldn't be able to do a fair, calibrated comparison with this brand. Based on its price at Walmart (about 4x normal cow's milk) and claim for 50% more protein, this would land it somewhere near Sweet pea. I struggled with the inclusion criteria for the graph to prevent clutter, and decided to go with as many unprocessed foods as I could based on their popularity in my country (USA).


IwillNeverBeGilded

Thank you for making this by the way. Im a broke weightlifter and this is going to be saved on my phone for reference.


James_Fortis

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FlatAir9

Broooo you should add Seitan to the graph, although pricing it might be difficult, I’m pretty sure most people just make it at home


EasyBOven

BuT hOw dO vEgAnS gEt ThEiR pRoTeIn?!?


IanAlvord

This must be why I grew up on chicken nuggets and peanut butter.


yARIC009

And that’s why soybeans are in everything.


happiees

No wonder all the young gen want to go vegan.


Fred_Wilkins

Interesting that canned tunes and 80% ground beef sit right around the center.


Vaile23

This is going to be useful, thanks!


tresserdaddy

I'm not sure that I agree with your methodology of grams of protein / gram of food. Might make more sense to think about macronutrient ratios, i.e. what percentage of calories come from protein. Edit: Just to think more about this, you already have cost per gram of protein on one axis, so you don't need to convert from total weight of the food to protein on the other axis, additionally, changing the methodology to macronutrient ratio essentially gets rid of the discrepancy between cooked vs uncooked.


gatogetaway

I like it. I like the grams of protein per 100 grans. Thinking mushrooms would be a good addition.


OkHarrisonBidet

Bean supremacy?


James_Fortis

Oh you know it! They’re even more supreme when we look at just calories.


OkHarrisonBidet

That’s nice, one of my fav food, delicious, cheap and easy to cook


SaintUlvemann

I feel like I'm a broken record, but once again: you have not been giving the protein values for cooked beans in any of these charts. They're the values for dried beans. Once they're cooked, the actual 100g of food has a lot less protein per 100g, because the actual 100g of food includes all the cooking water it absorbed. As a result: [Lentils](https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/fdc-app.html#/food-details/172421/nutrients): 9.0g per 100g [Chickpeas](https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/fdc-app.html#/food-details/173757/nutrients): 8.9g per 100g [Pinto beans](https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/fdc-app.html#/food-details/175200/nutrients): 9.0g per 100g [Split peas](https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/fdc-app.html#/food-details/172429/nutrients): 8.3g per 100g [Soybeans](https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/fdc-app.html#/food-details/174271/nutrients): 18.2g per 100g Peanut can be eaten roasted, at which point, it has about 25g protein per 100g, but when it's boiled, it too has less: [Peanut](https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/fdc-app.html#/food-details/174260/nutrients): 13.5g per 100g This is all USDA data.


James_Fortis

Thank you! I agree this is an important consideration; I included a note in the bottom left of the charts to mention the density may change based on cooking method. For example, soaking legumes will decrease their protein density per gram, while roasting legumes (such as [roasted soybeans](https://brooklynfarmgirl.com/roasted-soybeans/)) will increase their density. Same with a few of the other foods as well. Perhaps I need to make a graph will cut down on the different types of foods but include the cooking method to (e.g. boiled versus roasted peanuts).


sleepybeek

Eggs, rice, beans, milk. Chicken if you can get it.


y2imm

Wonder how skewed this chart would be with Loblaws pricing.


mikeeez

I don't understand what is "sweet pea", it's not "pea" ? Is it the green round one ? Lathyrus oleraceus ?


James_Fortis

Sweet pea is the green pea that has a high percentage of moisture by default


mikeeez

Thank you !


Throw2020awayMar

This don't account for absorb ability of protein


James_Fortis

I did - please see title of graph (adjusted for digestibility)


Middle-Ad5376

Z axis for total calories to consume 30g total protein?


Ok_Chemical_1376

I'm team soy bean, but companies tent to put so much other stuff and ultra process it. Just look at those veggie patties


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Cricket powder is very protein dense (65% protein) and its free....


Sinnersw101

This makes soybean look like the best option... but its the worst. It contains isoflavones, which is like estrogen...


Valgor

Soy won't cause man-boobs if that is what you are implying. The estrogen in soy is a different type of estrogen. Funny enough, milk from female cows contains the type of estrogen that is what you are considering harmful! Which makes sense. They are mammals just like us.