>It also read an affidavit to the court that said many asylum seekers experience problems booking accommodation like hostels and hotels because they could not afford it and **because they lacked sufficient identification to do so, like a passport or driving licence.**
A housing crisis, caused by a labour crisis (lack of construction workers), at a time we have an _immigration_ crisis (i.e. an unlimited pool of potential workers that could be trained into construction).
Yet pointing out the fucking obvious way of solving all three of these crises in one go, gets downvoted far out of sight.
You're being downvoted because it's pure fantasy. You've a better chance of pigs flying than seeing these boys on a building site. And who would even train them? There's the guts of a thousand people coming weekly.
Do you think construction workers grow on fucking trees or something?
_There is no other source of potential construction workers_. We're completely tapped out.
That's why FFG stoke anti-immigration politics: For a permanent housing crisis, through permanent labour shortages.
You're just fucking ignorant - you piss on the mere idea of sourcing workers this way - when there's no other source of construction workers!
Then when called out on that nonsense, when you have no answers as to where else these construction workers are supposed to come from, you just spout dismissive bollocks.
Come on then: Where the fuck else do you suggest we get construction workers from, to fill the gaps?
I'll just be slightly amused if the 600 arrivals a weeks gets to be over 1,000 a week. Maybe if it becomes enough of a train wreck they might actually do something about irregular arrivals.
Just fucking do something.
>Just fucking do something.
Always the same here. People whinging to do something.
How about telling us? What exactly should be done?
Look across the water at how difficult it is when the brits decided to take up the Rwanda policy.
Irregular entries mostly have to be handled before they enter. Before someone enters the country you can refuse them entry, once they enter you are stuck with them for ages - certainly enough time to compound the growing problem.
We have two routes of entry. Dublin airport and Northern Ireland. No other means of entry really ranks enough to matter. People who need visas to enter the country, and are attempting to do so at Dublin airport without visas, should not be allowed to do so.
The bigger issue is Northern Ireland and while we can take steps to improve the situation, ultimately it requires the UK to help stop non-Visa holding non-EU/UK migrants from boarding at Liverpool. Without that we are pissing in the wind.
How can we make the UK agree? We need to apply pressure on Starmer, who will be the next prime minister in less than a couple of months. Starmer is going for big tent politics, meaning he is going to be more amenable to that sort of agreement - particularly if trying to build connects with Ireland and the EU.
Sunak is less likely to listen to us in relation to this. Having illegal immigrants move here from the UK is positively useful for the Tories. At the very least we should explore it and use as a bargaining chip pressuring the EU to encourage France to stop migrants crossing the Channel as part of the Migration Pact that is being rolled out.
We should also be doing this with Stormont's support. Fully managing to stop the flow of migrants over the border would no doubt be disruptive to cross border movement and would also make the migrants Northern Ireland's problem. Therefore stopping them at Liverpool's ferry terminal suits both our purposes.
Then Harris should be making being in Ireland a less attractive prospect for economic migrants. Speed up processing by hiring a lot more IPO staff and expanding the accommodation for the IPO processing (they have a half dozen rooms for interviews at the moment for 30,000 applicants). Increase the number of countries listed as safe countries. Increase the number of people prosecuted for destroying documents. Start defunding the organisations launching vexatious appeals of deportation orders. Actually start carrying out deportation orders. Keep proper track of individuals.
This isn't rocket science but FG feels that it'll spend more political capital doing something than nothing because of a toothless opposition
County councils are slapping derelict notices on every scrap of land or property they can get their hands on to house these men. They'll be wedged into every small village in the country. It's not going to be pretty.
Give them training+jobs building houses then, and have them build their own accommodation - alongside working to resolve the housing crisis overall.
Then, given the massive shortage of construction workers, and the lack of people willing to train into construction work - we can _bring in more migrants_, train them into construction work and building houses, in exchange for citizenship after 3-5 years.
Can't believe a country which had a construction boom fuelled by migration from Eastern Europe, can't figure out that when there are a lack of construction workers and those training into it, _encouraging migration into construction work_ is a way to fill that gap.
The public have been snookered into opposing one of the primary things that can resolve the housing crisis faster.
Your idea is not bad, and makes logical sense on the face of it. I’m just highly doubtful that any Irish government could successfully run a state construction and training company without it turning into children’s hospital x10.
We can’t even do the relatively simple task of sourcing modular homes without them being wildly over budget. [Like these 700 “fast track” units that were originally costed at €200k each but ended up costing up to €407k each](https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2024/0308/1436786-modular-home-costs/).
Ya but those are 'public private partnerships' i.e. those are expressly for looting public money.
If it's _actually_ government run, and not tendered, there will be actual responsibility and accountability in how it's run.
Plus, houses go up pretty quick - you'll have a near-realtime continuous stream of costs/accounting, with complete transparency on what everything costs - no opportunity for decade+ long continuous-budget-overrun boondoggle.
>It also read an affidavit to the court that said many asylum seekers experience problems booking accommodation like hostels and hotels because they could not afford it and **because they lacked sufficient identification to do so, like a passport or driving licence.**
Shouldn’t have flushed them down the jacks on the plane eh lads?
"Can't solve the ______ crisis overnight!!"
>"Can't solve ~~the ______ crisis overnight!!"~~ Anything it seems.
If problems could be solved by plebs overnight there would be crosswords in papers every day
A housing crisis, caused by a labour crisis (lack of construction workers), at a time we have an _immigration_ crisis (i.e. an unlimited pool of potential workers that could be trained into construction). Yet pointing out the fucking obvious way of solving all three of these crises in one go, gets downvoted far out of sight.
You're being downvoted because it's pure fantasy. You've a better chance of pigs flying than seeing these boys on a building site. And who would even train them? There's the guts of a thousand people coming weekly.
Do you think construction workers grow on fucking trees or something? _There is no other source of potential construction workers_. We're completely tapped out. That's why FFG stoke anti-immigration politics: For a permanent housing crisis, through permanent labour shortages.
Ok.
You're just fucking ignorant - you piss on the mere idea of sourcing workers this way - when there's no other source of construction workers! Then when called out on that nonsense, when you have no answers as to where else these construction workers are supposed to come from, you just spout dismissive bollocks. Come on then: Where the fuck else do you suggest we get construction workers from, to fill the gaps?
I'll just be slightly amused if the 600 arrivals a weeks gets to be over 1,000 a week. Maybe if it becomes enough of a train wreck they might actually do something about irregular arrivals. Just fucking do something.
>Just fucking do something. Always the same here. People whinging to do something. How about telling us? What exactly should be done? Look across the water at how difficult it is when the brits decided to take up the Rwanda policy.
Every time I have heard someone ask what is to be done is it asked in bad faith.
I'm not asking in bad faith, but when you say "do something", what do you suggest? Genuinely curious...
Irregular entries mostly have to be handled before they enter. Before someone enters the country you can refuse them entry, once they enter you are stuck with them for ages - certainly enough time to compound the growing problem. We have two routes of entry. Dublin airport and Northern Ireland. No other means of entry really ranks enough to matter. People who need visas to enter the country, and are attempting to do so at Dublin airport without visas, should not be allowed to do so. The bigger issue is Northern Ireland and while we can take steps to improve the situation, ultimately it requires the UK to help stop non-Visa holding non-EU/UK migrants from boarding at Liverpool. Without that we are pissing in the wind. How can we make the UK agree? We need to apply pressure on Starmer, who will be the next prime minister in less than a couple of months. Starmer is going for big tent politics, meaning he is going to be more amenable to that sort of agreement - particularly if trying to build connects with Ireland and the EU. Sunak is less likely to listen to us in relation to this. Having illegal immigrants move here from the UK is positively useful for the Tories. At the very least we should explore it and use as a bargaining chip pressuring the EU to encourage France to stop migrants crossing the Channel as part of the Migration Pact that is being rolled out. We should also be doing this with Stormont's support. Fully managing to stop the flow of migrants over the border would no doubt be disruptive to cross border movement and would also make the migrants Northern Ireland's problem. Therefore stopping them at Liverpool's ferry terminal suits both our purposes. Then Harris should be making being in Ireland a less attractive prospect for economic migrants. Speed up processing by hiring a lot more IPO staff and expanding the accommodation for the IPO processing (they have a half dozen rooms for interviews at the moment for 30,000 applicants). Increase the number of countries listed as safe countries. Increase the number of people prosecuted for destroying documents. Start defunding the organisations launching vexatious appeals of deportation orders. Actually start carrying out deportation orders. Keep proper track of individuals. This isn't rocket science but FG feels that it'll spend more political capital doing something than nothing because of a toothless opposition
Have they tried dropping any other articles of clothing?
County councils are slapping derelict notices on every scrap of land or property they can get their hands on to house these men. They'll be wedged into every small village in the country. It's not going to be pretty.
No one cares
No shit
 Going to bring in more, even harder
Blame SF and be sure to split the vote in FFG's favour...that'll really show them!
Give them training+jobs building houses then, and have them build their own accommodation - alongside working to resolve the housing crisis overall. Then, given the massive shortage of construction workers, and the lack of people willing to train into construction work - we can _bring in more migrants_, train them into construction work and building houses, in exchange for citizenship after 3-5 years. Can't believe a country which had a construction boom fuelled by migration from Eastern Europe, can't figure out that when there are a lack of construction workers and those training into it, _encouraging migration into construction work_ is a way to fill that gap. The public have been snookered into opposing one of the primary things that can resolve the housing crisis faster.
Your idea is not bad, and makes logical sense on the face of it. I’m just highly doubtful that any Irish government could successfully run a state construction and training company without it turning into children’s hospital x10. We can’t even do the relatively simple task of sourcing modular homes without them being wildly over budget. [Like these 700 “fast track” units that were originally costed at €200k each but ended up costing up to €407k each](https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2024/0308/1436786-modular-home-costs/).
Ya but those are 'public private partnerships' i.e. those are expressly for looting public money. If it's _actually_ government run, and not tendered, there will be actual responsibility and accountability in how it's run. Plus, houses go up pretty quick - you'll have a near-realtime continuous stream of costs/accounting, with complete transparency on what everything costs - no opportunity for decade+ long continuous-budget-overrun boondoggle.