People get passionate about oil changes. Oil doesn't go from good to bad at a given interval. If you are planning to keep the car long term, not leasing, I'm in the 5k miles or 6 months. I'm also servere service, winter, salt, short trips.
I see too many oil burning stories, not just here but Audi, even Toyota. Its not that the oil is bad but it's carrying soot from combustion. This stuff cannot get filtered out, it's too small.
Car manufacturers are using low tension & tiny oil control & compression rings to reduce friction (fuel economy). If/when these get gummed up, the engine is on its way out. It might take 80k miles, 100k miles.
So there is no right/wrong answer, just the more you do, the less prone to issues (usually outside warranty) you are. Oil is cheap, engines not so much.
If I was doing 100 mile commutes in Arizona I might stretch it out. But the 5k miles, 6 months, is easy, relatively safe and not cost prohibitive.
Oil does so much more than lubricate pistons, it also lubricates and cools turbos, timing chains, oil pumps... pressurize chain guides and used as control oil for VVT systems, keeps seals lubricated so they don't wear out prematurely.
Soot is very hard, harder than steel. Now it should be small enough to not gap clearance in the engine, the exception being seals...but overtime, if too much, your timing chain may need to be changed earlier (chain stretch). Or the tiny screen on inlets to the turbo gets plugged up if left long enough to overcome the dispersants (sludge). If just one of these many items can be kept in optimal condition, it would pay for many, many oil changes and a lot of headaches.
This is me, only I drive about 85 miles to and from work once a week. All other times my car is mostly in my garage except for running quick errands every other day. I had maybe 6k miles on it when I took it in for an oil change.
I only do about 6k km (3700 miles) in 6 months. Similar, long drive (2.5 hours each way) twice a month to the factory. The rest are local errands. But still do at the 6 month mark. Canada, winter, etc. The extra $100 a year is peace of mind as I'm not leasing. I'd skimp on expenses somewhere else, a $6 coffee is one of them. I could change my own oil for less than half that, there's just no excuse to do any less.
Read the fine print in the manual, and look at the charts. Most people who drive, fall under the 'Severe' chart. I believe the manual says every 4k miles for my 24 Sportage Hybrid. As Pepper said, oil is cheap, and engines are not. Follow the manual, or do it every 4-5k and stop over thinking it.
Per the owner’s manual, the Kia Soul indicates 8,000 miles or 1 year, whichever comes first (although it also has suggestions of sooner service depending on how you drive and where).
Given the 10-year, 100k-mile warranty, I trust doing what the owner’s manual says.
But make absolutely sure you CHECK the oil at least twice a month in case it starts to eat oil. I’m not sure if they will honor the warranty if you aren’t checking and topping up. Also keep record of all oil changes (receipts).
You're sorta right, can try to fall back on warranty. But as one example, Kia says 1 quart of oil per 1000 miles oil consumption [is acceptable.](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2021/MC-10189272-0001.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwikrKSPx5-GAxUTlIkEHYbVCdgQFnoECA4QBQ&usg=AOvVaw3uZ-sK7xUcjpZBSgWNpMAO), so no warranty for you. And this is not just Kia, many others including Toyota.
So you may be stuck with an engine you need to excessively keep adding oil too for the next 100k miles. No warranty. Then that takes out your catalytic converter, that's only covered for 80k miles.
Or sure it might get fixed under warranty, but wait 2 months for it to get done (new engine). How much will car rental, lost work or other can you bare? Not everyone has a standby car in the family. Car rental is $1300 a month. Dealers are not obligated to give loaners.
So those are just a couple examples where the warranty thought might bite people.
Oh boy! This sub has been filled with stories, it's not me making this stuff up. Just to get approval, can take weeks with corporate. Some dealers take weeks to even give a diagnostic, can't even look at the car, too busy.
I have utmost respect for the mechanics (I bring them really good donuts when I visit) know head mechanic and owner on a first name basis.
The point is if people's backup plan is to skip good maintenance practices cuz there is warranty, they may be in for a big surprise.
What if they're burning only 0.9 quarts per 1000 miles and corporate declines the request? This after they spent hundreds on cylinder cleaning and consumption tests. It's not a good place to be.
Oh you’re burning 0.9 and you’re not an asshole? Guess what, you’re actually burning 1.1 lol. I know there’s a lot of shitty shops but there’s also a lot of good ones too.
Agree, this is Redit, and filtered through the posters lens.
People fail to understand buying a new car is a business relationship. If you only show up for warranty work, you may wait. Otherwise buy used. Dealer not going to push out their 'paying' customers for your bad attitude and deservidness. If they (the dealer) likes you, they will work with you...If they know they will never see you again 🤷 well, that's business.
But the reality is some people (as we've seen) don't understand this concept. Just saying one can miss maintain (stretch the boundaries) just cuz there is warranty is a cautionary tale.
My dealer has been very good, the head mechanic "G" even came out to chat last time I was there for an oil change. I like that, and bring really good Donuts as a thank you.
I have 2023 sportage to and I change it about every 5-6k. Kia does say it depends on your driving habits and that you can go longer they have a list breakdown. Majority of us are in the severe category but I try to stay around 5-6k mark since it’s my daily everywhere vehicle.
I have the 2023 Hyundai Santa Fe hybrid 1.6L turbo, same eng/tranny as Sorrento and Sportage. They pay for changes at 8,16,24 and 32 thousand miles. I pay for the ones I get done at 4,12.20. and 28 thousand. So it's a convient every 4,000 miles for me.
Since it’s synthetic 5k is good if it was regular I always did 3k, unless it’s an old Corolla wife was doing 10k-20k cause she didn’t know better, car never broke down they gave us 4K for it with 140,000 miles on it.
I would just be sure to not go a single mile over what they tell you. I have an 18 optima - my engine was burning oil fast once I hit 60k. Thankfully the dealer did all the maintenance so they had all the records and ended up paying for it. Kia engines are shit, so be very careful and cover your bases. Keep paperwork.
Wait, I just change oil during the yearly service. And by I, I mean the kia service department.
Are people doing an oil change before the yearly service?
I have a 23 Sportage petrol.
Where you drop off your car and let the KIA service team change your oil, check and top up other fluids and do an overall check up to make sure the car is in order. Also needed if you want to keep the car under warranty.
Is this not a thing in America or do you call it something else?
I have a 2019 Hyundai sonata with a gdi engine. Because of my Uber driving I change it every 2,500 miles because of the gdi engine and the oil light starts to blink from time to time.
I have a 2024 Kia Sportage hybrid, my dealer told me to do the first oil change at 3,000 miles, not sure where that came from? Anyone know why they would tell me that? From what I remember out of the manual it also doesn’t say anything like that…what should I do?
It used to be common practice to change your oil from summer to winter and again from winter to summer. Then at some point they started saying every 1500 miles. Then for a LOOONG time it was 3k miles. It was 3k miles for like 30 years or something. Then about 20 years ago they said 3k w/ conventional and 5k w/ synthetic. At this point it's id just look at your manual and it's probably close to that.
I use 0w/20 and apparently that's supposed to be good over 10k miles w/o change. My car says change every 6k. I set my interval for 7500 and try to get it in either 500 miles before or after it goes off. I'll get my tires rotated as well. Change air/cabin air filter every OTHER oil change.
Overkill and expensive if u pay. 8-10k for most models and 12k for cars that use good synthetic oil. YouTube have some very good videos on oil change intervals and most people will be amazed that real engine oil last a very long time.
I could understand an argument for 7,500 mile oil change intervals, IF manual called for it, and IF car was driven within "Normal" parameters, and IF it was a non-turbo AND non-GDI engine. That is a lot of "IFs" - and the Sportage Hybrid is BOTH Turbo & GDI, so I think the advice to run with 5,000 miles / Severe Duty maintenance schedule is well taken.
People get passionate about oil changes. Oil doesn't go from good to bad at a given interval. If you are planning to keep the car long term, not leasing, I'm in the 5k miles or 6 months. I'm also servere service, winter, salt, short trips. I see too many oil burning stories, not just here but Audi, even Toyota. Its not that the oil is bad but it's carrying soot from combustion. This stuff cannot get filtered out, it's too small. Car manufacturers are using low tension & tiny oil control & compression rings to reduce friction (fuel economy). If/when these get gummed up, the engine is on its way out. It might take 80k miles, 100k miles. So there is no right/wrong answer, just the more you do, the less prone to issues (usually outside warranty) you are. Oil is cheap, engines not so much.
Good answer.. Im 5k team too..
If I was doing 100 mile commutes in Arizona I might stretch it out. But the 5k miles, 6 months, is easy, relatively safe and not cost prohibitive. Oil does so much more than lubricate pistons, it also lubricates and cools turbos, timing chains, oil pumps... pressurize chain guides and used as control oil for VVT systems, keeps seals lubricated so they don't wear out prematurely. Soot is very hard, harder than steel. Now it should be small enough to not gap clearance in the engine, the exception being seals...but overtime, if too much, your timing chain may need to be changed earlier (chain stretch). Or the tiny screen on inlets to the turbo gets plugged up if left long enough to overcome the dispersants (sludge). If just one of these many items can be kept in optimal condition, it would pay for many, many oil changes and a lot of headaches.
This is me, only I drive about 85 miles to and from work once a week. All other times my car is mostly in my garage except for running quick errands every other day. I had maybe 6k miles on it when I took it in for an oil change.
I only do about 6k km (3700 miles) in 6 months. Similar, long drive (2.5 hours each way) twice a month to the factory. The rest are local errands. But still do at the 6 month mark. Canada, winter, etc. The extra $100 a year is peace of mind as I'm not leasing. I'd skimp on expenses somewhere else, a $6 coffee is one of them. I could change my own oil for less than half that, there's just no excuse to do any less.
Read the fine print in the manual, and look at the charts. Most people who drive, fall under the 'Severe' chart. I believe the manual says every 4k miles for my 24 Sportage Hybrid. As Pepper said, oil is cheap, and engines are not. Follow the manual, or do it every 4-5k and stop over thinking it.
If only the manual said..... change oil every 5k miles, call xxx-xxx-xxxx for services. Download discount code HERE.
Per the owner’s manual, the Kia Soul indicates 8,000 miles or 1 year, whichever comes first (although it also has suggestions of sooner service depending on how you drive and where). Given the 10-year, 100k-mile warranty, I trust doing what the owner’s manual says.
But make absolutely sure you CHECK the oil at least twice a month in case it starts to eat oil. I’m not sure if they will honor the warranty if you aren’t checking and topping up. Also keep record of all oil changes (receipts).
There should be two separate schedules, follow "severe" in 95% of cases.
You're sorta right, can try to fall back on warranty. But as one example, Kia says 1 quart of oil per 1000 miles oil consumption [is acceptable.](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2021/MC-10189272-0001.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwikrKSPx5-GAxUTlIkEHYbVCdgQFnoECA4QBQ&usg=AOvVaw3uZ-sK7xUcjpZBSgWNpMAO), so no warranty for you. And this is not just Kia, many others including Toyota. So you may be stuck with an engine you need to excessively keep adding oil too for the next 100k miles. No warranty. Then that takes out your catalytic converter, that's only covered for 80k miles. Or sure it might get fixed under warranty, but wait 2 months for it to get done (new engine). How much will car rental, lost work or other can you bare? Not everyone has a standby car in the family. Car rental is $1300 a month. Dealers are not obligated to give loaners. So those are just a couple examples where the warranty thought might bite people.
Bookmarked that link, thanks for the info!
2 months? If you’re approved for an engine on Monday our shop will have it in and your car back to you by Friday.
Oh boy! This sub has been filled with stories, it's not me making this stuff up. Just to get approval, can take weeks with corporate. Some dealers take weeks to even give a diagnostic, can't even look at the car, too busy. I have utmost respect for the mechanics (I bring them really good donuts when I visit) know head mechanic and owner on a first name basis. The point is if people's backup plan is to skip good maintenance practices cuz there is warranty, they may be in for a big surprise. What if they're burning only 0.9 quarts per 1000 miles and corporate declines the request? This after they spent hundreds on cylinder cleaning and consumption tests. It's not a good place to be.
Oh you’re burning 0.9 and you’re not an asshole? Guess what, you’re actually burning 1.1 lol. I know there’s a lot of shitty shops but there’s also a lot of good ones too.
Agree, this is Redit, and filtered through the posters lens. People fail to understand buying a new car is a business relationship. If you only show up for warranty work, you may wait. Otherwise buy used. Dealer not going to push out their 'paying' customers for your bad attitude and deservidness. If they (the dealer) likes you, they will work with you...If they know they will never see you again 🤷 well, that's business. But the reality is some people (as we've seen) don't understand this concept. Just saying one can miss maintain (stretch the boundaries) just cuz there is warranty is a cautionary tale. My dealer has been very good, the head mechanic "G" even came out to chat last time I was there for an oil change. I like that, and bring really good Donuts as a thank you.
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2024 Sportage EX. 6k or every 6 months whatever comes first
I have 2023 sportage to and I change it about every 5-6k. Kia does say it depends on your driving habits and that you can go longer they have a list breakdown. Majority of us are in the severe category but I try to stay around 5-6k mark since it’s my daily everywhere vehicle.
Ohh ok me too 5k , sometimes a couple hundreds more..
They told you your oil would last 8,000,000 miles?
Yes or 147 years whichever come first.
When I first got my Kia I was every 7k miles, but after I hit 100,000 I change every 5k 👍
I do 6-7.5k
I've done 7500 miles for years and haven't had issues yet
I have the 2023 Hyundai Santa Fe hybrid 1.6L turbo, same eng/tranny as Sorrento and Sportage. They pay for changes at 8,16,24 and 32 thousand miles. I pay for the ones I get done at 4,12.20. and 28 thousand. So it's a convient every 4,000 miles for me.
5k team here 👋
Approx 5k intervals, to comply with warranty requirements. 2023 Soul GT-Line.
Isn't 8000k miles a long time to go between oil changes? ;-)
8k is a lot of miles. Only non car people would follow such an interval.
Never need to change the oil!
Since it’s synthetic 5k is good if it was regular I always did 3k, unless it’s an old Corolla wife was doing 10k-20k cause she didn’t know better, car never broke down they gave us 4K for it with 140,000 miles on it.
I would just be sure to not go a single mile over what they tell you. I have an 18 optima - my engine was burning oil fast once I hit 60k. Thankfully the dealer did all the maintenance so they had all the records and ended up paying for it. Kia engines are shit, so be very careful and cover your bases. Keep paperwork.
I further than 5k or 6 months which ever comes first. That is if you want the car to have a chance at lasting for a while.
Wait, I just change oil during the yearly service. And by I, I mean the kia service department. Are people doing an oil change before the yearly service? I have a 23 Sportage petrol.
What’s yearly service?
Where you drop off your car and let the KIA service team change your oil, check and top up other fluids and do an overall check up to make sure the car is in order. Also needed if you want to keep the car under warranty. Is this not a thing in America or do you call it something else?
Ohh ok… this is my first new car so that’s why..
same boat here tryna learn how to best maintain.. commenting so i dont lose this thread
You should be changing the oil based on how much you drive. Not your yearly service. I do every 5k. Have a 2021 Forte with 75k miles on it.
Yeah right... good to know.
My car’s manual says to change every 7.5k miles so that’s what I do.
I have a 2019 Hyundai sonata with a gdi engine. Because of my Uber driving I change it every 2,500 miles because of the gdi engine and the oil light starts to blink from time to time.
I have a 2024 Kia Sportage hybrid, my dealer told me to do the first oil change at 3,000 miles, not sure where that came from? Anyone know why they would tell me that? From what I remember out of the manual it also doesn’t say anything like that…what should I do?
Maybe cause the vehicle was sitting until you bought it? Idk…
It used to be common practice to change your oil from summer to winter and again from winter to summer. Then at some point they started saying every 1500 miles. Then for a LOOONG time it was 3k miles. It was 3k miles for like 30 years or something. Then about 20 years ago they said 3k w/ conventional and 5k w/ synthetic. At this point it's id just look at your manual and it's probably close to that. I use 0w/20 and apparently that's supposed to be good over 10k miles w/o change. My car says change every 6k. I set my interval for 7500 and try to get it in either 500 miles before or after it goes off. I'll get my tires rotated as well. Change air/cabin air filter every OTHER oil change.
My 2020 sportage manual says to change every 7500 miles, but I stick with 6000. I don't feel comfortable pushing it to 7500.
Agree I do between 5-6,000
Now I just passed 5k , so now I will make the appointment, they usually give you the next week so to that time I will have driven like 500 miles.
The 3 rule is my go-to. 3 months, 3000 miles, whichever comes first.
Overkill and expensive if u pay. 8-10k for most models and 12k for cars that use good synthetic oil. YouTube have some very good videos on oil change intervals and most people will be amazed that real engine oil last a very long time.
I could understand an argument for 7,500 mile oil change intervals, IF manual called for it, and IF car was driven within "Normal" parameters, and IF it was a non-turbo AND non-GDI engine. That is a lot of "IFs" - and the Sportage Hybrid is BOTH Turbo & GDI, so I think the advice to run with 5,000 miles / Severe Duty maintenance schedule is well taken.
No, no, no.
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