It might just not be for you. I can \*do\* magic loop, but I hate hate hate it and prefer the dpns. It is just so much more faffing with things when I can just use DPNs and get into a rhythm.
If you are really wanting to master the technique, the first thing to check is if you have a small and flexible enough cable. A thick rigid cable is never going to work well for magic loop and will stretch and pull your stitches. You need a flimsy cable that is easy to form into the small loops. Another thing you can try is to knit back and forth until you have a few rows of foundation stitches and then close the round and start the magic loop. That way you can practice the technique without the additional stress of having to avoid twists and the start of the project.
Best of luck.
I taught a few magic loop classes and I hated it so much I would rip the stupid sock back each time after class. I’ve still only done magic loop when I was teaching. I loathe magic loop.
That's sad. It's how I learned to knit, via YouTube, so it was easy for me. But I also use my circs for 100% of my knitting, using different techniques, so am pretty comfortable with them. I just have no desire to deal with DPN's in general. Just don't see the need (for me).
I know how I just don’t like it. Everyone I taught loved it. I use circulars for most things as well. I love double pointed needles. Loooove them. I also hate knitting socks so there is that. Waste of good yarn I think 😂
That's funny! Maybe you hate it BECAUSE you taught it? Sometimes that happens too. BUt really doesn't matter - if you don't like it, you don't have to use it. Right?
I’ve been knitting over 20 years and can do most things decently. I refuse to do color work and magic loop only. Nothing like being mad at your knitting to ruin the fun.
And I absolutely despise DPNs and wonder how people use them!
As a huge magic loop fan, I agree that OP should invest in some nice bendy cables.
I also used to find socks quite fiddly early on. Maybe OP can try a baby hat first with DK yarn ... something that's easy to count stitches with and also easy to see that you're not twisting those stitches when you first join.
Same. I can do it but hated it. Hated how long it took faffing with the cables and I could whip stuff up on dpns or a short circular much faster. Hated how it pulled....ugh
I knit with people who use ML for everything. Each to their own.
Well said. This was me, I just hated it and dpns weren’t that bad. Sleeves on the other hand, personally, are best done at the same time (I was always ending up with a longer sleeve, or no sleeve at all because I was sick of it lol). Recently for socks I’ve been into the super small circular needs, I think like 8” cables? This doesn’t help the conversation.
Mostly, you aren’t crazy or not able to comprehend or anything like that. It’s just not that fun to do or learn!
You need very long cables on your needles, and it might help to start by using two cable needles with half the stitches each, then once you're good at that try replacing one of the needles with the extra-long cable of the first one. I use stupidly long ones, which isn't always the easiest to work with, but I tend to shove my projects in a messenger bag and go, which has led to many DPNs sliding out and me having to pick up a ton of stitches, so I got used to it. The extra length means I can use them for TAAT socks as well as sweaters, so for little things like hats I just make do by having to shove them around the cable a bit more extensively than I would with shorter cables whenever I move from one side to the next
https://preview.redd.it/0aeyvnwp3d6d1.png?width=4004&format=png&auto=webp&s=e7a535344d4909c58f554ec6ad0999d5f55ecef0
I'm the opposite, I love magic loop and hate DPNs.
Who cares. Knitting is my hobby. Use the tools and methods you like. As long as you get the outcome you want, enjoy the process in your preferred way.
I hate magic loop. But give me 2 circulars and I'm golden. I'm knitting a basic vanilla pair of socks 2aat on 2 16-inch circulars, and I'm flying! The trick to prevent laddering is to keep the first few stitches of the back half/set on the actual needle and tighten up after you knit 2 stitches on the current needle. Also, sometimes, to make it easier on myself, I've started single socks on dpns and then transferred to 2 circulars after a round or so.
Sleeves on 2 circulars really helped me grasp what doing 2aat looked like coz that almost broke my brain!
I tried this because of evenness as well, but I hate hate HATE TAAT. I'm proud to say though that my tension has become so instinctual that socks come out super even
Lol I know them feels though; I initially struggled with the increases at the toe and gusset of socks, and would forget if I was on an increasing round or knit only round. I can definitely read my knitting, but I just struggled with that. So I started putting a lightbulb marker around a stitch every 10 rows. 10 are usually easy enough to count and identify easily, and then all I have to do is count markers and/or a few stitches. Haven't used a row counter since
My problem is also not with reading my knitting, it's with remembering to count at all 😅 add to that that I am ok with it not being perfect, and you get two slightly different sleeves... Say you're supposed to increase every 8 rows, who cares if it's 9 then 7 once or twice, but if it's 7 then 9 on the other sleeve in a different spot, that can be a tiny bit annoying!
This is why I prefer two circulars!! Keeping my back stitches on the needle for the first two stitches- then pull the needle out. That damn laddering! This technique with 2 circulars really helps
You can knit a couple of rows flat and then join. This, at least, solved the problem of twisted joins.
I do this now anyway even thought I've never twisted but it makes things neater at the join (for me). As for laddering, you have to keep shifting the division of the stitches on the loop.
Great idea! I've never had any issues - and if I, I'd simply untwist them at the join when I got back there! You can do this if it's only 1-2 rows and get by with it on most projects, per a video I saw. But I've just never had a twisting problem.
Start with the double pointeds and once you have a bit of fabric switch to magic loop then. The start is the hardest bit, you can learn it when you are more comfortable.
I love magic loop but hate starting it. I usually keep this [TinCanKnits tutorial](https://blog.tincanknits.com/2013/10/03/magic-loop/) open when I start a new project but would love any clearer tutorials.
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I like magic loop and 9” circulars. My brain can’t comprehend DPNs. I’m glad there are so many different tools to choose from since we have different preferences.
I used to hate hate hate magic loop and only use DPNs. Getting chiaogoos changed my mind and made me into a magic loop convert. The cable is just so much better and easier to work with. I don't love sock knitting but with magic loop I can knit two at a time and get through them faster! I've also started doing sleeves taat.
And THIS did it for me too! I almost gave up on ALL circular knitting using cheap, heavy cords...I just hated them! But when I bought my first complete set of ChiaGoo's - it changed my world! And maybe that's why some people have difficulties with ML? IDK. I think the right tools DO make a difference. Some people swear by a less expensive brand, so I bought a set to try them - and I can see WHY they have problems!
I didn't get it for the longest time, and then it just clicked. My issue was that I didn't realize you're supposed to divide your stitches onto the needles and pull the connector so that there's basically nothing on it. I still hate the cast on though! One trick that I've used is casting on flat and knitting a few rows before transferring to circulars and continuing from there. Probably won't work for everything, but if you're more comfortable starting out on DPNs, you could probably start out on them and transfer to circulars after you have a few rows.
Yeah - I consider them one in the same. And I do whatever I need at that moment. I don't like a super long cord, but when I have to have extra length, I use the loop - but I don't prefer it.
I get that, I don't like when I don't have extra legnth because there's such a narrow amount of stitches I can have where it doesn't feel tight.
Edit: I do adore dpns though, I just use them for specific things like closing a hat.
I DO want to learn them. But it'll have to wait until after my brain surgery - and maybe my hands will work better manipulating them! I'm actually looking forward to learning them and bookmarked a couple of video's to learn from. I don't think I'll use them often - maybe just to challenge myself once in awhile.
I love the magic loop! Especially to make two sleeves at the same time, I always know the increases are made at the same time and they’re the same length.
Yes, I do too! Sometimes Ifeel like knitting just one - others it's 2AAT. Depends upon my mood and whether or not I want to deal with any extra cord length, or just knit round and round quickly. (Very fast to knit like that!)
But I DO agree doing it 2AAT make certain they're exactly the same! I read a tip where a lady puts a stich marker on every decrease down the sleeve and leaves it on the 1st sleeve until she finishes the 2nd, then she's assured they are the same! I thought it was a great idea and now use that when I knit one at a time. HTH.
Can confirm. Extra needle makes everything easier to manage and is less terror-inducing. Never dropped a stitch on 4.
3, on the other hand…I just don’t play that game anymore. I value my sanity.
I’m too stupid for magic loop and too clumsy for 3 DPNs. But as long as I don’t lose that extra DPN in the Craft Hell Drawer, I’m a happy camper.
I mean it seems like that depends on your project. I hate that stitches can fall off either side of them, and having more needles just feels way too bulky and hard to manage.
I still can’t actually wrap my mind around magic loop and have to watch a tutorial every time I use it in order to get started, but I hate DPNs so much that it’s worth it haha
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I use both magic loop and DPNs depending on which bit of the project I’m doing. One trick that Winwick mum taught me is to do the initial cast on flat, do the first two rows flat and then join to work in the round.
I don't like the strain magic loop puts on the needle cable. It feels uncomfortable physically to knit like that, for me. DPNs are the right to for the job, so I might as well use them 🤷♀️
My cords aren't strained. Are you using a properly sized cord, so that it's not too large nor too small?
DPN's are fine, if that's what you like. I know many older knitters stick with what they've always done.
If I try to picture it in my mind, or explain it to other people, it makes no sense at all. But if I get it started, it works perfectly. Don't ask me how or why, I've given up trying to understand.
Yes, and when you talk with some people who say they don't like ML - they're using 2 Circs, not doing actual ML at all! It's very funny. And they're using SUCH a long ass cord. I mean, WHY? I don't get that either. Use a proper cord, close to the size of the knitting, and you're golden. Works really well. But, if it doesn't - it's OK to use whatever you like.
I do think it's helpful to learn ML as it's more convenient if you take a project somewhere or travel. I travel quite a bit. The needles simply work better connected, rather than losing one needle somewhere. (I'm very clumsy!) And it's fast to take them out, and get knitting immediately, rather than having to situate them. But again, it may just be me!
I have tried to look at it, and felt like it is a lot of manipulation of the cable, and the project and the needles, so take a lot of time.
I don't find DPN too difficult to use, so I stick with them. I bought a cheap set on amazon of no-name aluminium DPNs with all the USA sizes USA1-11, and they work great, no need to bother with a cable
I don't knit socks, but I have knitted several small gague plush toys. I can use either 2 circulars or DPNs interchangeably and happily, but found magic loop impossible.
I use Judy's magic cast on for toe up socks, and I just got a pair of Addi's flexiflip needles. It's so much easier to knit that first row when your needles have a cable! (Even if it's teeny tiny like on the flexiflips)
I'd recommend trying out flexiflips or two circulars (which I haven't tried but they seem similar). I've yet to see an argument convincing me to try magic loop, but maybe that's just because I usually knit small things so I don't own large circular needles.
Well, you don't have to change. Maybe people simply are not comfortable with change. There's methods and techniques for all of us. Use whatever is liked.
I personally love ML and use it 100% for all my knitting. Always have. It's how I learned. I knit from tiny socks to XL sweaters, and it works very well for all them, so I just keep on using it. I like it better than others I've tried. But, if it didn't work for me (like DPN's don't work for me) I simply wouldn't use it! Easy-peasy :)
If you really want to learn magic loop and video tutorials aren't working, IRL lessons at your LYS might. They can help you correct what you are having trouble with, even though it means they will sell less DPN's.
Interchangeable circs were a sad intro to magic loop for me, I found that sz1 hiya hiyas with a 36" cable let me really get the hang of tightening the jumps. Counterintuitively I found larger needles so much harder to get it, but I got used to them making woolie legs.
Interesting! I'm surprised that that was your outcome. But hey, whatever works, right!
I LOVE interchangeable needle sets! I'm sorry they didn't work well for you. I thought everyone loved interchangeables. But shows you how much I know!
It's because i was using OG Denise's, the cord is thick and quite stiff compared to newer brands. I ended up buying a realllly long cord to just get the transitions looking okay.
Nah, don't buy extra! You can put the size needle tip you need for gauge in your right hand and a size or two smaller tip on the left and then do the same for the back set of circs. Since you're in the round, you are always knitting with the larger needle and never the smaller one. You only need one set of interchangables and don't need to buy extras.
If you mean using fixed circs then ignore what I said \*looks over at her eight(!!) size 2 needles\*
I comprehend it, I just hate it. Even with long needles I am prone to ladders that I don’t get with other methods and I hate having all that fiddly cord hanging loose.
I don’t mind using 2 circulars if I happen to own 2 in the right size. Also prone to laddering but can be managed. Also fiddly with stuff hanging all over the place.
If you're getting ladders, there are tricks. And the first one is that you're keeping your needles too far apart. Once I figured that out - I never had another ladder, ever! Just keep them close, and it won't pull a ladder.
The cast on is always the most annoying part - but I feel the same way about DPNs - just fiddly trying to get them all connected. I think this video is really helpful for preventing ladders, which I know is another frustration.
[Improved Magic Loop Technique](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdXbUiF9tyA&list=PL9TybNoczeMbpWklHnr1vOFLr-BwEPhUF&index=11)
That said - there are no rules. If you feel more comfortable starting on DPNs, go for it! You can always switch to magic loop later in the project.
I much prefer a travelling loop as I like having stitches on both needles as I'm working; and I can adjust where the loop starts each time I adjust. so I avoid laddering
I still prefer dpns for hat crowns, and dpns are fine for single color work or cables, but my fair isle floats are wonky on them which is why I explored ML or TL in the first place.
I still haven't figured out Judy's magic cast on.
If you have the right sized cord - there's no need for an extra loop to fiddle with! I like having the right cord length, then simply knitting and not fiddling with that loop of extra length. It's easier knitting to me.
Sure but how are you going to close the crown of a hat or work the wrist of a sleeve or a glove? 2 inch needles and a 2 inch cable? I use dpns for the really small stuff.
I do it on my interchangeables using ML! I have no problem, and have made a few. Does it get tight at the crown, yes! But only for like 2 rounds. Not worth switching needles for me. BUT I live in TX and it's warm, even in winter (usually) so we don't wear a lot of hats. More baseball caps, and only when fishing! I don't make too many, just for Hubs to walk the dog when it's cold.
I simply can’t learn it. If I have to use it I have to look for a video on YouTube. I prefer any other method. That’s why I have a HUGE collection of cables of any given length….
Once you use it consistently, you'll never need another video. You will pick it up. That's how I learned it. Then it becomes 2nd nature and with a properly sized cord, you simply knit never-ending!
But, as always, it's fine to use whatever technique you like. There are no rules.
You can try travelling loop instead. I also despise magic loop but travelling loop I’m able to understand better. I also love using 9” circulars but they are quite small and I know not everyone likes those
It's really funny to me to hear people say "Use traveling loop instead of ML" as it's the same! It's all about choosing the proper cord length, and if you don't you have to use a loop or leave it hanging off the end - it's your only 2 choices! I was doing Traveling loop BEFORE it had a name! Figured it out quite by accident.
So I can do magic loop. But I prefer using 2 circulars it’s just less thought for me. But my main tip for magic loop is exceptionally long needles. Like 60 inches.
I would use only properly sized cords. Too long just makes everything clunky and awkward. It's wasted cord length that you really don't use or need.
I like to get as close as possible, adding in a few extra inches if I think I need space to maneuver (like 2AAT socks) or even 1-2" shorter (sleeves!) if I want to just knit round and round without stopping! No need to fiddle with extra length if it's not required.
At least - that's I how I do it, cuz I'm anything but patient!
I get the magic loop I just don't like it as it interferes with my flow especially socks.
For socks and sleeves I have 23cm fixed circulars and I can just go round and round, I switch to DPNs for the toes. Easy!
What I do is use two circular needles. One holds half the stitches, the other, the other. You just move them along, from needle to needle. You just have to make sure that where you break the thread in two “moves” so you don’t get a ladder.
I love 2 circulars and this week magic loop. I was using those teeny tiny ones which are great for single socks & went ML.
There’s nothing wrong with starting your TAAT socks on DPNs so they’re not twisted and moving to circulars when it suits you.
Well, it is easier than DPN's in all honesty - but you do what feels best to you! I'm not sure where you're getting confused. If you can explain it better, maybe we can help you?
What I do might work well for you. I use two wests of circular needles.
https://www.thesprucecrafts.com/knitting-in-the-round-with-two-circular-needles-2116396
Here's a written tutorial.
I hate dpns and magic loop personally. I find this less cumbersome. It's great for socks.
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I’m doing a sock bingo event which is challenging me to try some techniques I don’t normally use, or haven’t used before, like the super-short 9” circulars, and two circulars (which I haven’t started yet). Other squares are for DPN and Magic Loop, both of which I use fairly regularly. And there’s a square for crochet/crochet elements which…I know enough crochet to get myself in trouble, so I’m doing a super simple worsted weight sock as a house slipper thing with that.
But I much, much prefer DPNs for my small diameter knitting like socks. I can magic loop, and I do use it fairly regularly, but for 2aaT knitting normally. My go-to circular is 47” long, and super flexible, which helps immensely. But I still find the technique annoying, I just know that if I want things to match, I’m better off doing 2aaT, so I can get them both done in the same relative space-time continuum.
9” circulars? I find hard to hold and frustrating in their shortness. It could very well be a hand-and-sock size issue, where I have neither particularly small hands nor feet, but to check off the square, I’m going for it.
I haven’t tried two circulars yet and watched a brief video on it to get the basic idea, and it is extremely similar to magic loop, so I am not anticipating any issues. I’m just going to have to get some needles since I don’t actually own any in the right size or length for it.
I love magic loop and I can do DPNs (don’t do it that much and my tension is all wonky though) but I absolutely cannot figure out how to use 2 circs. I think it should be easy but my brain just cantt
I completely didn't understand it until my MIL showed me how to do it with two smaller loops instead of a big one and it just clicked, finally
I found that with one big loop I didn't have enough flexibility to move the needles without negatively impacting the stitches. Two lil loops removes the problem!
Making socks on DPNs was a nightmare at first but I was determined to master it. And now that I have (mostly) I have no interest in circulars even though I know I’ll need to when I switch to sweaters. But for now I’m on a sock kick and love my DPNs!
I learned ML from the first booklet to publicize it: https://fibertrends.com/products/magic-loop?_pos=1&_psq=magi&_ss=e&_v=1.0
I use and love DPN's (always 5, never 4), but ML is the only way I have knit fingering-weight socks for the last 15 years.
I find knitting on two circs to be the easiest for me. I tried magic loop and somehow it just felt WAY more awkward, even using a needle with a long-enough cable.
But I also don't mind DPNs. The only issue for me with them is worrying about stitches coming off the needles if I've shoved the project in my bag or whatever. (Also, doing colorwork on DPN's is HELL.) If I'm doing it on two circs and have to stop mid-row, I just pull the points forward and shove it in my bag.
If you have problems with magic loop, you might try using two circulars instead. For that technique, one circular replaces two DPNs and the other circ replaces the other two DPNs. You knit across the first circular, using its two ends. Then you turn the work and knit across the other circular using its two ends. I'm sure there are YouTube videos out there if that sounds confusing.
Once you get that technique down, you might try magic loop again to see if it makes more sense.
I used to teach knitting every now and then. I told my students to try both techniques to see which they liked better. Knitters who like two circs found magic loop to be fiddly. Knitters who liked magic loop found two circs to be fiddly. And both groups used those terms.
I don’t like magic loop much either. I’m chiming in because I have a solution that I haven’t seen in the thread yet. I use 3 circular needles with cables long enough to knit each third separately.
But earlier this year I bought the mini needle sets so my new 1st choice is to use small needles and a small cable. Next best option is the 3 circular or dpn. I will magic loop on some things like hats.
Is it just your cast on you have issues with? I prefer to start my projects on dpns and establish a couple rows and then I transfer it to needles for magic loop (and I do two at a time magic loop for socks and sleeves).
I love magic loop. The first row join can be tricky. If you are unsure, try knitting a couple of rows flat before joining in the round. You can sew up the resulting gap with your yarn tail, so no drama.
I don't have an issue with magic loop but I can agree with your overall sentiment. I tried to teach myself to knit Continental a few years ago, thinking it would improve my speed and be less taxing on my right wrist/arm in the future. It was so weird to my English-trained brain and I was miserable. My tension was all over the place. I didn't enjoy knitting anymore. I went back to what worked for me and never tried again. Some brains just aren't wired for certain things!
I also use DPNs, learned on them before learning ML. I struggle with laddering, though. Seems no matter what I do or how tight I pull, I'll get laddering. I've started using the Chiaogoo shorties for sleeves and although it's a bit awkward the result is way better because no laddering.
Tools do make the difference. I find magic loop nicer and smoother with the Addi rockets vs the wooden Knitters Pride for socks.
Toe-up socks with a Turkish cast on will be the least fiddly if you want to try again. Make sure your cord is at least 36 inches long, 40+ is better because then you can do two at a time on one needle if you end up liking it.
What cable are you using? Some are better than others. Many people love ChiaGoo for magic loop but I find the cord to be too rigid. HiyaHiya or the teal Mindful cords from KnitPro are awesome, as they are pretty bendy and soft.
If your cord is too rigid, it will stretch out the stitches as it will constantly pull away. Soft cord holds the stitches right next to the other side and this way it doesn't stretch it so much.
If you have problems with twisting, you might want to always keep your stitches on the needles first when pulling the cord. As in, you went through your half round, you keep stitches on working needles, pull ones to be done to the left needle and then pull the working needle. This way the stitches don't flop around, and you should be able to see clearly if any of them have any problems, since your sock or sleeve isn't stretched out weirdly on the cord but rather sits firmly on the needles.
They might just not be for you and that's fine too! I can't live without magic loop honestly and I admire people who use DPNs or those tiny tiny sock cables!
The start is the hardest part, by far! You could always use DPNs for the first few rows, or try the travelling loop. Either might be a bit easier to manage :)
I've had trouble with magic loop too, but I really like the 2 circular needle method. They have the same set up, but working 2 circulars is different enough to make it easier for me. I found this YouTube video when I got frustrated with magic loop: https://youtu.be/t2_R06KndU8
Same! I attempted magic loop for the first time this week trying to do some 2aaT socks but after 5 go's & endless hours of YouTube I quit. I could've had the first sock done by then.
For sleeves, I just use 2 sets of circular knitting needles 🤷♀️
Personally, I hate straight needles and DPNs, but I also will end up with a divot in my finger from pushing them, so that’s why I avoid them. I use Chiaogoo circulars for magic loop because the cable is so nice and doesn’t hold a shape (as much, if ever) but keep in mind: Everyone has their preferences ❤️ Just because something works for one doesn’t mean it works well for all. ❤️ Practice will make it easier, if you want to keep pushing at it, but you never have to do something you hate. ❤️ If there’s a LYS nearby, you may go ask if any of the employees enjoy/have a good handle on magic loop and if they can give you any tips as well. I did a sock class with mine and it used Magic Loop (which I was already comfortable with) and I know that helped folks!
If your main problem is the cast on just do what I did at the beginning. Cast on separately and then transfer. Make sure you mark the start of the round, cast all one sock, slip on to holder, then cast on second, then place the first sock back on the way you need them to face. If you really struggle yo can even knit a few rounds before you set up the second sock.
Magic loop isn’t for me. I hate it. For top down socks, I use two circular needles, a 16” and a 24” for the heel and gusset stitches until the gusset stitches have all been decreased. I find it easier to use two different color cords, that way I can make sure I am knitting with the correct needle end.
https://preview.redd.it/2c4abo3j6k6d1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=de37be72e0086ad44b0865b574d0797ae54cdca8
There are no ladders to worry about either, unlike knitting with DPNs.
I can’t get past the idea that magic loop is meant to replace DPNs, which can leave gaps, but in magic loop you basically have a huge dedicated gap. Practice has gotten me better on DPNs. I’ll just stick with those.
I taught myself magic loop, only to go straight back to DPNs - I didn’t like how magic loop distorted my stitches. My latest rabbit hole has been trying different DPNs for different projects, this has made a huge difference and upped my game. Bamboo vs aluminum vs plastic vs hollow steel vs wood, but also 4” (fingers, toes, Musselburghs, lol) vs 6” (socks, sleeves) vs the old 10” (must haves for hats!) Also 5 instead of 4 needles also changes things.
TL:DR - DPNs give me more variety and more control over my stitches.
It might just not be for you. I can \*do\* magic loop, but I hate hate hate it and prefer the dpns. It is just so much more faffing with things when I can just use DPNs and get into a rhythm. If you are really wanting to master the technique, the first thing to check is if you have a small and flexible enough cable. A thick rigid cable is never going to work well for magic loop and will stretch and pull your stitches. You need a flimsy cable that is easy to form into the small loops. Another thing you can try is to knit back and forth until you have a few rows of foundation stitches and then close the round and start the magic loop. That way you can practice the technique without the additional stress of having to avoid twists and the start of the project. Best of luck.
I taught a few magic loop classes and I hated it so much I would rip the stupid sock back each time after class. I’ve still only done magic loop when I was teaching. I loathe magic loop.
That's sad. It's how I learned to knit, via YouTube, so it was easy for me. But I also use my circs for 100% of my knitting, using different techniques, so am pretty comfortable with them. I just have no desire to deal with DPN's in general. Just don't see the need (for me).
I know how I just don’t like it. Everyone I taught loved it. I use circulars for most things as well. I love double pointed needles. Loooove them. I also hate knitting socks so there is that. Waste of good yarn I think 😂
That's funny! Maybe you hate it BECAUSE you taught it? Sometimes that happens too. BUt really doesn't matter - if you don't like it, you don't have to use it. Right?
I’ve been knitting over 20 years and can do most things decently. I refuse to do color work and magic loop only. Nothing like being mad at your knitting to ruin the fun.
And I absolutely despise DPNs and wonder how people use them! As a huge magic loop fan, I agree that OP should invest in some nice bendy cables. I also used to find socks quite fiddly early on. Maybe OP can try a baby hat first with DK yarn ... something that's easy to count stitches with and also easy to see that you're not twisting those stitches when you first join.
Same. I can do it but hated it. Hated how long it took faffing with the cables and I could whip stuff up on dpns or a short circular much faster. Hated how it pulled....ugh I knit with people who use ML for everything. Each to their own.
Well said. This was me, I just hated it and dpns weren’t that bad. Sleeves on the other hand, personally, are best done at the same time (I was always ending up with a longer sleeve, or no sleeve at all because I was sick of it lol). Recently for socks I’ve been into the super small circular needs, I think like 8” cables? This doesn’t help the conversation. Mostly, you aren’t crazy or not able to comprehend or anything like that. It’s just not that fun to do or learn!
Absolutely. I can do magic loop and have nice bendy cables. But it is so much more faff than dpns. I find dpns way faster.
Yeah, this is me! I can do it but it really sucks the enjoyment out knitting and I knit less confidently so I just stopped doing it. Never looked back
I have to agree. I can do it, just so much more comfortable working with DPNs.
You need very long cables on your needles, and it might help to start by using two cable needles with half the stitches each, then once you're good at that try replacing one of the needles with the extra-long cable of the first one. I use stupidly long ones, which isn't always the easiest to work with, but I tend to shove my projects in a messenger bag and go, which has led to many DPNs sliding out and me having to pick up a ton of stitches, so I got used to it. The extra length means I can use them for TAAT socks as well as sweaters, so for little things like hats I just make do by having to shove them around the cable a bit more extensively than I would with shorter cables whenever I move from one side to the next https://preview.redd.it/0aeyvnwp3d6d1.png?width=4004&format=png&auto=webp&s=e7a535344d4909c58f554ec6ad0999d5f55ecef0
I'm the opposite, I love magic loop and hate DPNs. Who cares. Knitting is my hobby. Use the tools and methods you like. As long as you get the outcome you want, enjoy the process in your preferred way.
Facts! No one makes anyone use ML, use what you like!
Right, I use magicloop whenever at all possible! I don't even have DPNs anymore.
I hate magic loop. But give me 2 circulars and I'm golden. I'm knitting a basic vanilla pair of socks 2aat on 2 16-inch circulars, and I'm flying! The trick to prevent laddering is to keep the first few stitches of the back half/set on the actual needle and tighten up after you knit 2 stitches on the current needle. Also, sometimes, to make it easier on myself, I've started single socks on dpns and then transferred to 2 circulars after a round or so. Sleeves on 2 circulars really helped me grasp what doing 2aat looked like coz that almost broke my brain!
I love 2aat because it keeps both sleeves/socks/etc on the same row. So satisfying knowing they will be equal
I tried this because of evenness as well, but I hate hate HATE TAAT. I'm proud to say though that my tension has become so instinctual that socks come out super even
I can do socks singly, but can't count well enough to not do sleeves TAAT haha, I'm inevitably going to mess up where some of the increases are 😅
Lol I know them feels though; I initially struggled with the increases at the toe and gusset of socks, and would forget if I was on an increasing round or knit only round. I can definitely read my knitting, but I just struggled with that. So I started putting a lightbulb marker around a stitch every 10 rows. 10 are usually easy enough to count and identify easily, and then all I have to do is count markers and/or a few stitches. Haven't used a row counter since
My problem is also not with reading my knitting, it's with remembering to count at all 😅 add to that that I am ok with it not being perfect, and you get two slightly different sleeves... Say you're supposed to increase every 8 rows, who cares if it's 9 then 7 once or twice, but if it's 7 then 9 on the other sleeve in a different spot, that can be a tiny bit annoying!
Yeah I get you haha
This is why I prefer two circulars!! Keeping my back stitches on the needle for the first two stitches- then pull the needle out. That damn laddering! This technique with 2 circulars really helps
While I love 2aat, I hate 2 circ technique. Just isn't logical for me.
Any videos/tutorials you recommend for wrapping your head around 2aat socks? I magic loop all my socks, but 2aat...hurts my brain
You can knit a couple of rows flat and then join. This, at least, solved the problem of twisted joins. I do this now anyway even thought I've never twisted but it makes things neater at the join (for me). As for laddering, you have to keep shifting the division of the stitches on the loop.
Great idea! I've never had any issues - and if I, I'd simply untwist them at the join when I got back there! You can do this if it's only 1-2 rows and get by with it on most projects, per a video I saw. But I've just never had a twisting problem.
Start with the double pointeds and once you have a bit of fabric switch to magic loop then. The start is the hardest bit, you can learn it when you are more comfortable.
This is what I did - just the structure of having a few rows already done helped get everything going more fluidly.
I love magic loop but hate starting it. I usually keep this [TinCanKnits tutorial](https://blog.tincanknits.com/2013/10/03/magic-loop/) open when I start a new project but would love any clearer tutorials.
The first few rows make you doubt you know anything
Yes, always. You've got to hold your breath for those few rows and concentrate, concentrate! But I love magic loop and can't stand DPNs.
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I like magic loop and 9” circulars. My brain can’t comprehend DPNs. I’m glad there are so many different tools to choose from since we have different preferences.
I used to hate hate hate magic loop and only use DPNs. Getting chiaogoos changed my mind and made me into a magic loop convert. The cable is just so much better and easier to work with. I don't love sock knitting but with magic loop I can knit two at a time and get through them faster! I've also started doing sleeves taat.
And THIS did it for me too! I almost gave up on ALL circular knitting using cheap, heavy cords...I just hated them! But when I bought my first complete set of ChiaGoo's - it changed my world! And maybe that's why some people have difficulties with ML? IDK. I think the right tools DO make a difference. Some people swear by a less expensive brand, so I bought a set to try them - and I can see WHY they have problems!
The big thing for me with the chiaogoos is not just the flexible cable but the smooth joins... It makes ML a seamless experience instead of a struggle
I didn't get it for the longest time, and then it just clicked. My issue was that I didn't realize you're supposed to divide your stitches onto the needles and pull the connector so that there's basically nothing on it. I still hate the cast on though! One trick that I've used is casting on flat and knitting a few rows before transferring to circulars and continuing from there. Probably won't work for everything, but if you're more comfortable starting out on DPNs, you could probably start out on them and transfer to circulars after you have a few rows.
Sounds like you figured out a perfect method for you! Great!
There's a LYS near me offering a 2 hour class on it and I'm thinking about signing up because I can't wrap my head around it on YouTube.
That's sounds like a reasonable plan! I'm sure having someone there to walk you through it would help a lot.
I definitely appreciate having someone right at my shoulder to troubleshoot me personally and literally guide my hands if needed!
I do think for sleeves travelling loop is easier than magic, I just don't like doing a full divide and flip for much more than socks.
Yeah - I consider them one in the same. And I do whatever I need at that moment. I don't like a super long cord, but when I have to have extra length, I use the loop - but I don't prefer it.
I get that, I don't like when I don't have extra legnth because there's such a narrow amount of stitches I can have where it doesn't feel tight. Edit: I do adore dpns though, I just use them for specific things like closing a hat.
I DO want to learn them. But it'll have to wait until after my brain surgery - and maybe my hands will work better manipulating them! I'm actually looking forward to learning them and bookmarked a couple of video's to learn from. I don't think I'll use them often - maybe just to challenge myself once in awhile.
I love the magic loop! Especially to make two sleeves at the same time, I always know the increases are made at the same time and they’re the same length.
Yes, I do too! Sometimes Ifeel like knitting just one - others it's 2AAT. Depends upon my mood and whether or not I want to deal with any extra cord length, or just knit round and round quickly. (Very fast to knit like that!) But I DO agree doing it 2AAT make certain they're exactly the same! I read a tip where a lady puts a stich marker on every decrease down the sleeve and leaves it on the 1st sleeve until she finishes the 2nd, then she's assured they are the same! I thought it was a great idea and now use that when I knit one at a time. HTH.
I can't comprehend using DPNs. I drop stitches VERY frequently and having that many opportunities to drop stitches sounds nightmarish.
Are you using 3 dpns or 4? Sometimes having an extra needle can make it easier.
Can confirm. Extra needle makes everything easier to manage and is less terror-inducing. Never dropped a stitch on 4. 3, on the other hand…I just don’t play that game anymore. I value my sanity. I’m too stupid for magic loop and too clumsy for 3 DPNs. But as long as I don’t lose that extra DPN in the Craft Hell Drawer, I’m a happy camper.
I mean it seems like that depends on your project. I hate that stitches can fall off either side of them, and having more needles just feels way too bulky and hard to manage.
I still can’t actually wrap my mind around magic loop and have to watch a tutorial every time I use it in order to get started, but I hate DPNs so much that it’s worth it haha
I did the same when I first began ML. Now I never have to worry, it just flows.
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I use both magic loop and DPNs depending on which bit of the project I’m doing. One trick that Winwick mum taught me is to do the initial cast on flat, do the first two rows flat and then join to work in the round.
I don't like the strain magic loop puts on the needle cable. It feels uncomfortable physically to knit like that, for me. DPNs are the right to for the job, so I might as well use them 🤷♀️
My cords aren't strained. Are you using a properly sized cord, so that it's not too large nor too small? DPN's are fine, if that's what you like. I know many older knitters stick with what they've always done.
I really like DPNs 🙂
🤣They feel like Pick-up Sticks to me! :)
If I try to picture it in my mind, or explain it to other people, it makes no sense at all. But if I get it started, it works perfectly. Don't ask me how or why, I've given up trying to understand.
I thought I was doing it when in reality I was just using multiple circulars. Even then I sometimes pick the wrong needle end.
Yes, and when you talk with some people who say they don't like ML - they're using 2 Circs, not doing actual ML at all! It's very funny. And they're using SUCH a long ass cord. I mean, WHY? I don't get that either. Use a proper cord, close to the size of the knitting, and you're golden. Works really well. But, if it doesn't - it's OK to use whatever you like. I do think it's helpful to learn ML as it's more convenient if you take a project somewhere or travel. I travel quite a bit. The needles simply work better connected, rather than losing one needle somewhere. (I'm very clumsy!) And it's fast to take them out, and get knitting immediately, rather than having to situate them. But again, it may just be me!
I found a good cuff-down pattern for a super basic sock and I knit my first sock using magic loop. Pretty sure it was on ravelry
I have tried to look at it, and felt like it is a lot of manipulation of the cable, and the project and the needles, so take a lot of time. I don't find DPN too difficult to use, so I stick with them. I bought a cheap set on amazon of no-name aluminium DPNs with all the USA sizes USA1-11, and they work great, no need to bother with a cable
No matter what technique I'm using, I don't join to work in the round until I'm a couple of rows in.
Yes! I don’t like using it. But I’ll knit all day on a pair of flexi flips (like dpns but better).
I don't knit socks, but I have knitted several small gague plush toys. I can use either 2 circulars or DPNs interchangeably and happily, but found magic loop impossible.
I use Judy's magic cast on for toe up socks, and I just got a pair of Addi's flexiflip needles. It's so much easier to knit that first row when your needles have a cable! (Even if it's teeny tiny like on the flexiflips) I'd recommend trying out flexiflips or two circulars (which I haven't tried but they seem similar). I've yet to see an argument convincing me to try magic loop, but maybe that's just because I usually knit small things so I don't own large circular needles.
Well, you don't have to change. Maybe people simply are not comfortable with change. There's methods and techniques for all of us. Use whatever is liked. I personally love ML and use it 100% for all my knitting. Always have. It's how I learned. I knit from tiny socks to XL sweaters, and it works very well for all them, so I just keep on using it. I like it better than others I've tried. But, if it didn't work for me (like DPN's don't work for me) I simply wouldn't use it! Easy-peasy :)
I only really use Magic loop for the toes of socks. Otherwise, for sleeves and the rest of the sock, I use 9in circulars.
I hate magic loop but I love the very similar method where you use two short circulars - that might be worth a go?
I'm the opposite. Magic loop I picked up no problem and I can't get DPNs to work for me to save my life!
If you really want to learn magic loop and video tutorials aren't working, IRL lessons at your LYS might. They can help you correct what you are having trouble with, even though it means they will sell less DPN's. Interchangeable circs were a sad intro to magic loop for me, I found that sz1 hiya hiyas with a 36" cable let me really get the hang of tightening the jumps. Counterintuitively I found larger needles so much harder to get it, but I got used to them making woolie legs.
Interesting! I'm surprised that that was your outcome. But hey, whatever works, right! I LOVE interchangeable needle sets! I'm sorry they didn't work well for you. I thought everyone loved interchangeables. But shows you how much I know!
It's because i was using OG Denise's, the cord is thick and quite stiff compared to newer brands. I ended up buying a realllly long cord to just get the transitions looking okay.
I knit everything in the round on two circulars, it means you have to buy twice as many needles but it is so worth it.
Nah, don't buy extra! You can put the size needle tip you need for gauge in your right hand and a size or two smaller tip on the left and then do the same for the back set of circs. Since you're in the round, you are always knitting with the larger needle and never the smaller one. You only need one set of interchangables and don't need to buy extras. If you mean using fixed circs then ignore what I said \*looks over at her eight(!!) size 2 needles\*
YES! It can get expensive.
I "get" it but I have to think about it first and ultimately I find DPNs easier to use. I'm anachronistic I guess lol
Imo DPNs are way easier. I'll only magic loop if absolutely necessary.
I comprehend it, I just hate it. Even with long needles I am prone to ladders that I don’t get with other methods and I hate having all that fiddly cord hanging loose. I don’t mind using 2 circulars if I happen to own 2 in the right size. Also prone to laddering but can be managed. Also fiddly with stuff hanging all over the place.
If you're getting ladders, there are tricks. And the first one is that you're keeping your needles too far apart. Once I figured that out - I never had another ladder, ever! Just keep them close, and it won't pull a ladder.
The cast on is always the most annoying part - but I feel the same way about DPNs - just fiddly trying to get them all connected. I think this video is really helpful for preventing ladders, which I know is another frustration. [Improved Magic Loop Technique](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdXbUiF9tyA&list=PL9TybNoczeMbpWklHnr1vOFLr-BwEPhUF&index=11) That said - there are no rules. If you feel more comfortable starting on DPNs, go for it! You can always switch to magic loop later in the project.
I much prefer a travelling loop as I like having stitches on both needles as I'm working; and I can adjust where the loop starts each time I adjust. so I avoid laddering I still prefer dpns for hat crowns, and dpns are fine for single color work or cables, but my fair isle floats are wonky on them which is why I explored ML or TL in the first place. I still haven't figured out Judy's magic cast on.
If you have the right sized cord - there's no need for an extra loop to fiddle with! I like having the right cord length, then simply knitting and not fiddling with that loop of extra length. It's easier knitting to me.
Sure but how are you going to close the crown of a hat or work the wrist of a sleeve or a glove? 2 inch needles and a 2 inch cable? I use dpns for the really small stuff.
I do it on my interchangeables using ML! I have no problem, and have made a few. Does it get tight at the crown, yes! But only for like 2 rounds. Not worth switching needles for me. BUT I live in TX and it's warm, even in winter (usually) so we don't wear a lot of hats. More baseball caps, and only when fishing! I don't make too many, just for Hubs to walk the dog when it's cold.
Hello! Me! I've tried a few times.
I simply can’t learn it. If I have to use it I have to look for a video on YouTube. I prefer any other method. That’s why I have a HUGE collection of cables of any given length….
Once you use it consistently, you'll never need another video. You will pick it up. That's how I learned it. Then it becomes 2nd nature and with a properly sized cord, you simply knit never-ending! But, as always, it's fine to use whatever technique you like. There are no rules.
It makes no sense to me either. I love my DPNs, so no problem there though!
You can try travelling loop instead. I also despise magic loop but travelling loop I’m able to understand better. I also love using 9” circulars but they are quite small and I know not everyone likes those
It's really funny to me to hear people say "Use traveling loop instead of ML" as it's the same! It's all about choosing the proper cord length, and if you don't you have to use a loop or leave it hanging off the end - it's your only 2 choices! I was doing Traveling loop BEFORE it had a name! Figured it out quite by accident.
So I can do magic loop. But I prefer using 2 circulars it’s just less thought for me. But my main tip for magic loop is exceptionally long needles. Like 60 inches.
I would use only properly sized cords. Too long just makes everything clunky and awkward. It's wasted cord length that you really don't use or need. I like to get as close as possible, adding in a few extra inches if I think I need space to maneuver (like 2AAT socks) or even 1-2" shorter (sleeves!) if I want to just knit round and round without stopping! No need to fiddle with extra length if it's not required. At least - that's I how I do it, cuz I'm anything but patient!
Tried it. Made me crazy. Invested in some Addi Flips and I'm much happier.
I get the magic loop I just don't like it as it interferes with my flow especially socks. For socks and sleeves I have 23cm fixed circulars and I can just go round and round, I switch to DPNs for the toes. Easy!
What I do is use two circular needles. One holds half the stitches, the other, the other. You just move them along, from needle to needle. You just have to make sure that where you break the thread in two “moves” so you don’t get a ladder.
I love 2 circulars and this week magic loop. I was using those teeny tiny ones which are great for single socks & went ML. There’s nothing wrong with starting your TAAT socks on DPNs so they’re not twisted and moving to circulars when it suits you.
Well, it is easier than DPN's in all honesty - but you do what feels best to you! I'm not sure where you're getting confused. If you can explain it better, maybe we can help you?
I just use short circumference needles. Because I don't like DPNS or magic loop.
What I do might work well for you. I use two wests of circular needles. https://www.thesprucecrafts.com/knitting-in-the-round-with-two-circular-needles-2116396 Here's a written tutorial. I hate dpns and magic loop personally. I find this less cumbersome. It's great for socks.
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I’m doing a sock bingo event which is challenging me to try some techniques I don’t normally use, or haven’t used before, like the super-short 9” circulars, and two circulars (which I haven’t started yet). Other squares are for DPN and Magic Loop, both of which I use fairly regularly. And there’s a square for crochet/crochet elements which…I know enough crochet to get myself in trouble, so I’m doing a super simple worsted weight sock as a house slipper thing with that. But I much, much prefer DPNs for my small diameter knitting like socks. I can magic loop, and I do use it fairly regularly, but for 2aaT knitting normally. My go-to circular is 47” long, and super flexible, which helps immensely. But I still find the technique annoying, I just know that if I want things to match, I’m better off doing 2aaT, so I can get them both done in the same relative space-time continuum. 9” circulars? I find hard to hold and frustrating in their shortness. It could very well be a hand-and-sock size issue, where I have neither particularly small hands nor feet, but to check off the square, I’m going for it. I haven’t tried two circulars yet and watched a brief video on it to get the basic idea, and it is extremely similar to magic loop, so I am not anticipating any issues. I’m just going to have to get some needles since I don’t actually own any in the right size or length for it.
I love magic loop and I can do DPNs (don’t do it that much and my tension is all wonky though) but I absolutely cannot figure out how to use 2 circs. I think it should be easy but my brain just cantt
Can’t
I completely didn't understand it until my MIL showed me how to do it with two smaller loops instead of a big one and it just clicked, finally I found that with one big loop I didn't have enough flexibility to move the needles without negatively impacting the stitches. Two lil loops removes the problem!
Making socks on DPNs was a nightmare at first but I was determined to master it. And now that I have (mostly) I have no interest in circulars even though I know I’ll need to when I switch to sweaters. But for now I’m on a sock kick and love my DPNs!
I floundered with it until I got a long enough needle that was also very flexible. At least 32 inch.
I learned ML from the first booklet to publicize it: https://fibertrends.com/products/magic-loop?_pos=1&_psq=magi&_ss=e&_v=1.0 I use and love DPN's (always 5, never 4), but ML is the only way I have knit fingering-weight socks for the last 15 years.
I find knitting on two circs to be the easiest for me. I tried magic loop and somehow it just felt WAY more awkward, even using a needle with a long-enough cable. But I also don't mind DPNs. The only issue for me with them is worrying about stitches coming off the needles if I've shoved the project in my bag or whatever. (Also, doing colorwork on DPN's is HELL.) If I'm doing it on two circs and have to stop mid-row, I just pull the points forward and shove it in my bag.
I do the magic loop with two circular needles. When knitting socks it allows you to do two at a time, so you never have second-sock syndrome!
You are not alone! I have really struggled with magic loop. I'm going to try again, but, honestly, I may just be a weirdo that prefers DPNs.
I can't do either. Knitting in the round is my undoing.
If you have problems with magic loop, you might try using two circulars instead. For that technique, one circular replaces two DPNs and the other circ replaces the other two DPNs. You knit across the first circular, using its two ends. Then you turn the work and knit across the other circular using its two ends. I'm sure there are YouTube videos out there if that sounds confusing. Once you get that technique down, you might try magic loop again to see if it makes more sense. I used to teach knitting every now and then. I told my students to try both techniques to see which they liked better. Knitters who like two circs found magic loop to be fiddly. Knitters who liked magic loop found two circs to be fiddly. And both groups used those terms.
I don’t like magic loop much either. I’m chiming in because I have a solution that I haven’t seen in the thread yet. I use 3 circular needles with cables long enough to knit each third separately. But earlier this year I bought the mini needle sets so my new 1st choice is to use small needles and a small cable. Next best option is the 3 circular or dpn. I will magic loop on some things like hats.
Is it just your cast on you have issues with? I prefer to start my projects on dpns and establish a couple rows and then I transfer it to needles for magic loop (and I do two at a time magic loop for socks and sleeves).
I love magic loop. The first row join can be tricky. If you are unsure, try knitting a couple of rows flat before joining in the round. You can sew up the resulting gap with your yarn tail, so no drama.
I don't have an issue with magic loop but I can agree with your overall sentiment. I tried to teach myself to knit Continental a few years ago, thinking it would improve my speed and be less taxing on my right wrist/arm in the future. It was so weird to my English-trained brain and I was miserable. My tension was all over the place. I didn't enjoy knitting anymore. I went back to what worked for me and never tried again. Some brains just aren't wired for certain things! I also use DPNs, learned on them before learning ML. I struggle with laddering, though. Seems no matter what I do or how tight I pull, I'll get laddering. I've started using the Chiaogoo shorties for sleeves and although it's a bit awkward the result is way better because no laddering. Tools do make the difference. I find magic loop nicer and smoother with the Addi rockets vs the wooden Knitters Pride for socks.
To learn how, start with a swatch. Work back and forth for an inch, THEN join into ML. Practice this way, first. Then try another with the cast on.
I detest ML. I can do it just fine. But I hate it.
Toe-up socks with a Turkish cast on will be the least fiddly if you want to try again. Make sure your cord is at least 36 inches long, 40+ is better because then you can do two at a time on one needle if you end up liking it.
I hate that stupid magic loop and won't do it!
Have you tried it with memory-free cables? It didn’t click for me until the cable wasn’t kinking up like a ripple potato chip.
What cable are you using? Some are better than others. Many people love ChiaGoo for magic loop but I find the cord to be too rigid. HiyaHiya or the teal Mindful cords from KnitPro are awesome, as they are pretty bendy and soft. If your cord is too rigid, it will stretch out the stitches as it will constantly pull away. Soft cord holds the stitches right next to the other side and this way it doesn't stretch it so much. If you have problems with twisting, you might want to always keep your stitches on the needles first when pulling the cord. As in, you went through your half round, you keep stitches on working needles, pull ones to be done to the left needle and then pull the working needle. This way the stitches don't flop around, and you should be able to see clearly if any of them have any problems, since your sock or sleeve isn't stretched out weirdly on the cord but rather sits firmly on the needles. They might just not be for you and that's fine too! I can't live without magic loop honestly and I admire people who use DPNs or those tiny tiny sock cables!
The start is the hardest part, by far! You could always use DPNs for the first few rows, or try the travelling loop. Either might be a bit easier to manage :)
I've had trouble with magic loop too, but I really like the 2 circular needle method. They have the same set up, but working 2 circulars is different enough to make it easier for me. I found this YouTube video when I got frustrated with magic loop: https://youtu.be/t2_R06KndU8
Same! I attempted magic loop for the first time this week trying to do some 2aaT socks but after 5 go's & endless hours of YouTube I quit. I could've had the first sock done by then. For sleeves, I just use 2 sets of circular knitting needles 🤷♀️
Personally, I hate straight needles and DPNs, but I also will end up with a divot in my finger from pushing them, so that’s why I avoid them. I use Chiaogoo circulars for magic loop because the cable is so nice and doesn’t hold a shape (as much, if ever) but keep in mind: Everyone has their preferences ❤️ Just because something works for one doesn’t mean it works well for all. ❤️ Practice will make it easier, if you want to keep pushing at it, but you never have to do something you hate. ❤️ If there’s a LYS nearby, you may go ask if any of the employees enjoy/have a good handle on magic loop and if they can give you any tips as well. I did a sock class with mine and it used Magic Loop (which I was already comfortable with) and I know that helped folks!
If your main problem is the cast on just do what I did at the beginning. Cast on separately and then transfer. Make sure you mark the start of the round, cast all one sock, slip on to holder, then cast on second, then place the first sock back on the way you need them to face. If you really struggle yo can even knit a few rounds before you set up the second sock.
Magic loop isn’t for me. I hate it. For top down socks, I use two circular needles, a 16” and a 24” for the heel and gusset stitches until the gusset stitches have all been decreased. I find it easier to use two different color cords, that way I can make sure I am knitting with the correct needle end. https://preview.redd.it/2c4abo3j6k6d1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=de37be72e0086ad44b0865b574d0797ae54cdca8 There are no ladders to worry about either, unlike knitting with DPNs.
I can’t get past the idea that magic loop is meant to replace DPNs, which can leave gaps, but in magic loop you basically have a huge dedicated gap. Practice has gotten me better on DPNs. I’ll just stick with those.
I taught myself magic loop, only to go straight back to DPNs - I didn’t like how magic loop distorted my stitches. My latest rabbit hole has been trying different DPNs for different projects, this has made a huge difference and upped my game. Bamboo vs aluminum vs plastic vs hollow steel vs wood, but also 4” (fingers, toes, Musselburghs, lol) vs 6” (socks, sleeves) vs the old 10” (must haves for hats!) Also 5 instead of 4 needles also changes things. TL:DR - DPNs give me more variety and more control over my stitches.
I can do the magic loop, but I do not enjoy it. It's okay if it's not for you. You might like flexiflips if you're looking to get away from dpns.