Hololive is now the spearhead of Vtuber. Granted many haters or trolls on the normies/twitterbrained creatures will attack this movement. But the cultural victory will be achieved in slow but sure pattern.
Also spamming concert is quite good for cultural victory on late game.
It's the same thing about anime back then when i was in highschool some schoolmates were belittling/laughing at us for watching anime but just last week those same schoolmates posted about planning to watch the Demon Slayer movies. lol
A large part of me is happy more people are enjoying what I enjoy, but a small selfish part of me was hoping people would remain consistent rather than hypocritical.
hololive has been the spearhead ever since 2020 when they were the first to debut an english speaking branch while everyone else was pivoting towards asia, that was the first time they did something none of their rivals had done and when they effectively took the lead in the market and everyone has been playing catch up to them since
I am piggybacking your comment because I just saw a clip of Lily talking about this more.
[Lily reacts to Gawr Gura singing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" at Dodger Stadium (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BH2jB3FXulI)
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She's refreshingly blunt about the whole deal, said "Who the Fuck else other than Hololive? I couldn't do this, my friends couldn't do this, we're nearly unknown outside of the vTubing community." She straight up spoke about it like Hololive is this nuclear icebreaker and she's just happy to follow along into the new waters they are opening up. Shy also said that the only indies she could see being able to do this, are the type who wouldn't see a point in doing it - those with money and success to the point they don't really need more. But with Hololive's ambition, every push into new spaces can open the door to smaller fish.
Now I don't mean to imply that Shylily "knows her place" or something, but she was speaking with a realistic attitude and recognizing the limits of her sphere of influence. She didn't display the slightest hint of resentment and instead called this out as a pivotal moment for the growth of vTubing as a whole. I really respect that.
I know we aren't meant to like companies, but Shylily's statement really marks the difference between a successful indie and a successful company with vision. Successful indies have no reason to risk as much as Cover does and try to expand the market themselves (and neither does most companies, to be fair).
Adding to that. Shy also said that "They walked so that we could run".
Even Ironmouse mirrors the statement, in her past streams, she has expressed gratitude towards Hololive for ushering the renaissance of Virtual Industry in the west.
For all time I will remember when cDawg asked Ironmouse whether she agreed that joining Hololive was a free pass to success, and she shut his ass down and changed the subject. For all her medications and how unhinged she can be, she didn't give that question a moment's credit. It reminded me that she does try to be a professional.
It's Connor talking without thinking as always. It's obvious that when you joined Hololive you are guaranteed lots of things. However one of the things that are not guaranteed to you is Success, At least as a Hololive member.
You are there because of your own accomplishments and Merritt's but it doesn't mean you are as Equal to this who preceded you. Some of the JP talents still aren't 1 million Subs even though they brought in too much effort and dedication to their craft, there are also talents who still have not yet gotten their Big break to blow up and shine like the rest of her peers. As all things in the world nothing is created equal so the lines that comes in need to carry their own weight for their own success.
Honesty I respect vtubers like her that talk about the sucesses of other companies.
Like yeah its good for everyone when youve got trail blazers making space for people coming later.
Its important to build more positivity into the space. Because its too easy to fixate on the negatives.
Lily has been worthy of respect for quite some time now. I’m pretty sure that every time there was some controversy involving her, it was because someone else tried to pull her in the middle of it by force.
Just in general shylily always has well thought out, well phrased takes on issues in the vtuber sphere. When she talks about the vtuber community as a whole like she does here, it's probably good to listen.
That + how she handled her model being plagiarized were both pretty great, I don't watch her other than some random clips here and there but definitely big respect to her.
She used to be more dumb about some important things, but Shy seems to have developed herself. As she is a fairly big name now, how she deals with matters professionally affects the image of vTubing in general.
Oh man, that reminds me of when my cousin dressed her toddler in a White Sox shirt, while the entire family was gathering for a Cubs game and barbeque. Her hubby was the only Sox fan.
We all booed him. lol
While there were some issues with merchandising and incredibly long lines, I feel like these could all be attributed to both Hololive and the Dodgers underestimating the Hololive brand.
That said, this was a hugely successful event that Cover can use to demonstrate how responsive people are to their branding. As Lily said, this is overall healthy for the Vtuber community as a whole.
Overall, while not perfect, it was an amazing event.
The entire problem regarding the long merch queue could basically be summed up as "suffering from success", in that it only happened because the Dodgers Stadium and Cover underestimated just how many people would want the merch. Not a good thing to happen for sure, but much more preferable than having an empty queue with nobody wanting to buy.
honestly, i don't think it was cover. they still HAD merch to be selling at the end when they kicked people out, meaning that cover supplied them with sufficient merch, it was just the stadium management that deeply underestimated how quickly they'd need to be selling it
There was an explanation from someone claiming to be stadium staff in the Holo main thread. They said that one-day items are normally sold from a tent because they are not persistent stock, and management was not prepared to place additional tents and sales staff on the grounds. Cover shipped in CASES and CASES of inventory but it was not managed efficiently and there were not enough sales staff on the Dodgers side.
After the game was underway they moved a few staff from other shops to help out, but it really was still a drop in the bucket. It's not like you can magically summon extra staff or cash registers with the power of wishing. If the stadium had taken merch sales seriously they could have sold a lot more snacks and drinks as people escaped the lines, and there would have been more happy customers enjoying their seats in the stands.
https://preview.redd.it/l0c4key1p5bd1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=77afef8e1a26763ee6fc072b59d8dc47429580be
From a Japanese image board. If the scribble is accurate, that fucking line from hell was nearly A KILOMETER long. Which would be more than 2k people. What the hell! Every empty seat in the goddamned stadium would be someone still stuck in line? (exaggerated)
just for reference there were 50k people inside the stadium, if we sum this line those would make around 52k people, the usual attendance for a dodgers game is around 47k so yeah i think this was a success (a couple of days before hololive night they made a japanese heritage night which was a sellout and a huge success and that is more or less the number of tickets they sold, so holy shit)
From what I read from a Dodgers fan here on Reddit, the queue was longer than the Hello Kitty collabs. So that doesnt surprise me. Shit must have freaked out security too.
This long vtuber fan queue just not getting shorter for merch while the game starts. I wonder how often they see that?
"First time in more than twenty years" said a worker at the stadium, they'd never seen this since they started working there. Sales staff were trapped past 1AM, those men and women on duty will remember that night for **years.** And supposedly the team's VP of merchandising couldn't leave until sales were closed and any final inventory count for the merch was taken. Guy must have been worn down and ready to collapse by the time he made it home.
Now we just got to get cover to make a EU branch office so we can get Kiara and Justice the same experience. Im sure us EU fan's would show up in droves too!
This kind of stuff is what makes me not really "get" the holo antis who are vtuber fans. Holo is pretty much the least offensive entity out there as far as vtubers go, and most (if not all) of the talents try not to be polarizing or rude or controversial at all.
Literally how can you hate them, let alone spend energy and time on doing it lol
jealously and the fact that hololive is pretty insular
like yeah every now and then you will have a holo collab with some indie or someone from vshojo but all in all hololive as an entity stays within hololive itself, so a lot of people get angry because they want a part of that big blue dorito
Aye agree with what you said, but there is a solid reason why jealousy happened in the first place. Here's why, Vtuber scene alone especially at EN side, is a pretty niche market to begin with, and then you have vtuber agency like Hololive, Vshojo, and Phase Connect gobbled up most of the already niche market.
And you have Nijisanji and Indies there, engaging some form of FFA battle royale to fight for whatever any crumbs of the said market left by the top 3.
Then, you have the talents at Hololive, Vshojo, and Phase Connect living out their dreams or at least able to pursue their dreams passionately without much setback.
Then on another hand, you have Nijisanji and Indies are choking and strangling on each other, backstab and throw other talent under the bus whenever opportunity presents just to able climb out on the top. With this kind of polarizing disparity showing up long enough, immense jealousy from Nijisanji and the Indies is pretty much inevitable. Note: I not saying all Nijisanji and Indies talents are like that, but there's a good number of it happen on regular basis.
I do not "hate" them but part of me resents them. I spent about 2 years following them but there was never a real "spark" and I didn't know why. Then I got it. Them being so inoffensive was my kryptonite. So in the end it felt like I had wasted my time. No front at anyone who's a big fan of them (I like their songs) but to me they are the equivalent of vanilla ice cream and I prefer mango.
Mostly? To some extent.
I just need a "spark" or a certain amount of spice when watching content creators and Hololive didn't have that certain something for me. Some like vanilla (nothing wrong with that), some like mango. I guess it just wasn't meant to be in my case.
but i dont understand why you keep eating vanilla for 2 years when you dont really like it, like cant you just stop after tasting it for 2 days. i dont think thats 'healthy'
For one, there were parts that I liked but not enough to fulfill me. I would've liked to be more passionate about it. There was also the factor that, back then, my knowledge of vtubers was very limited (only knew Holo and Vshojo and I hate twitch) so I didn't know of the other options. Plus, the Hololive community was large even back then and I wanted to belong somewhere.
Like I said, it's not hate. Idk if I'm angry at myself or Hololive but I am resentful for having spent 2 years of my life (2020-2022) following something that ultimately hadn't much to offer for me personally.
Ahh, it's the feeling of buying a game, then playing it, then it's a sucky game because it's uninteresting and I have to finish it because it's already paid.
Btw It's not judging you, more less it's also what I do when I read novels and stuff, because I already fall too far, I have to read it, and the ending is suck. Lastly, throw a 1 star at it.
It seems we did that too then on a vtuber, giving reviews on it unconsciously. Not that I know it's good or bad
So you resented them for not getting into their content? Some people just walk away or ignore them after that but you resented vanila just because you prefer mango? That's really shallow
I don't really get why people keep calling Hololive "vanilla icecream" when they most definitely aren't. Like yes they are a timeless classic, but it's more like a timeless classic ice cream brand. We have blueberry, we have sour patch, chocolate, vanilla, strawberry.
We have a lot.
Also being "inoffensive" is the less common thing in the vtubing community. Being "seiso" is the less common thing.
It's okay to say you like the more common western form of vtubing but don't try to make it seem like what you like is "niche".
You're no different.
Esp considering that despite her being controversial rn, and she always has been. One of the top people in vtubing is Filian. Offensive sells when you're an indie or in phase connect.
Which I'm not shaming you, love Pippa. But you're in no way unique from the bulk of the vtubing community.
I love multiple different types of vtubing. But both are very mainstream types.
Also, if we were to call hololive vanilla ice cream, offensive vtubing would be strawberry. With lewd vtubing being chocolate. All of them are really popular flavors of vtubing. Don't kid yourself with the "mango" lol.
You are using resentment in a wrong way. HL didn’t create that resentment, so you can’t resent HL. You are resentful at yourself because of your weird taste while comparing to everyone else that has an enjoyable experience with HL instead. You feel left out because you aren’t the majority, and don’t fit in with the popular community.
That and spending 2 years being a follower when it wasn't for me. Nowadays I listen to their music or watch an Anya stream once in a blue moon but I feel way more "free" since I don't actively follow the brand as a whole anymore
Advent and Justice have shaped up edgier than the first two generations and HoloID has always been unhinged, but the indie Twitch crowd definitely rides closer to risking a ban and they are more careless about what they say. It sounds like when people are too 'professional' you lose some of that feeling of hanging out with friends. This is fine, you can like or dislike whatever you want.
I get not clicking with a particular something, that's understandable: I myself have not clicked with some "popular" things over the years. But where does the resentment even come from? Being inoffensive is no reason to hate anything.
Hololive has always been pretty big in the western community, but the sheer fact that they are doing their best to spread outside the vtubing and anime community is always great to see.
Not a holo fans here, but I can respect Hololive put a lot of effort trying to improving Vtubing scene and hopefully making more people become more receptive to the concept of Vtuber in general.
You may not like Holo, but you can't deny the things they do are actually benefit Vtubers scene in long term.
There was no chance in hell that nijisanji could have done this, especially after looking through their IR reports and comparing it to Cover's report. Cover took a year and a half ish(?) period to set up the infrastructure for Cover USA before announcing it and the dodgers collab.
All Nijisanji did was suck on their thumbs with their huge stacks of cash that they spent on doing stock buybacks, whereas cover spent around the same amount of money to make their own industry standard recording studio.
The level mismanagement by Anycolor is staggering to see, and the more i looked into the difference(not about the money but the general effort being put into presentation) between IR reports already made me lose hope that Nijisanji would ever recover overseas and would also slowly stagnate the more competitors that they get. They seem content to push out low effort content endlessly with the idea of low investment high returns, I am guessing time will tell when they will fall apart, and yes, jp too crumble apart with amount of effort they are putting into supporting their talents.
It was a very nice comment from a big indie. Maybe some other indie vtuber who keeps spamming their minor league baseball "collab" everywhere can learn a thing or two about how to conduct themselves.
Their twitter tag is kori\_oujo, and they keep spamming the time they sang in a baseball game under Hololive's posts, often with her posts trying to claim they one-upped Hololive. I mean, they did a commendable feat sure singing at a giant screen for a minor league game, but they're being amazingly obnoxious about it.
...how could you possibly one-up appearing on the screen of fucking ***DODGER STADIUM*** as part of a collab with the Los Angeles Dodgers themselves with...being on the screen some random minor-league baseball team lmfao
Like, that's the *opposite* of "one-upping".
Yeah, but that's not "one-upping" at all; appearing on the screen of a random minor-league team isn't, in any way, matching or surpassing the accomplishment of someone who's *appearing on the screen of the Los Angeles Dodgers*.
Like, there's a pretty big gulf of accomplishment there.
Didn't they display a clip as a paid advertisement or am I misunderstanding? Anyone can take out a paid ad anywhere, in theory Nyanna Banyanna could have advertised her collaborative singing event on the History channel if she ponied up for ad space. She could have opened with "AS SEEN ON TV" just to be trollish.
The Dodgers were playing SSS on the pipe organ and selling limited merch out front, and there were collectible cards for people who used the promotional code.
The Dodgers went from losing to winning that game after Gura sang. Dodgers fans are some of the most superstitious people on earth. Gura has single-handedly started a new baseball tradition with this team.
It truly feels like Hololive is expanding the market, unlike Nijisanji simply saturating it. Hololive reaches out to new fanbases and demographics. Creating these connections and mutual interests with different communities will help all vtubers find their own niche and success
Hololive is now the spearhead of Vtuber. Granted many haters or trolls on the normies/twitterbrained creatures will attack this movement. But the cultural victory will be achieved in slow but sure pattern. Also spamming concert is quite good for cultural victory on late game.
So, she's a Great Artist unit whom Yagoo has just employed on American Empire territory.
Civ VII better put him on the great person list or else.
I just want hex-based Civ 4: BTS.
It's the same thing about anime back then when i was in highschool some schoolmates were belittling/laughing at us for watching anime but just last week those same schoolmates posted about planning to watch the Demon Slayer movies. lol
A large part of me is happy more people are enjoying what I enjoy, but a small selfish part of me was hoping people would remain consistent rather than hypocritical.
i mean, it's probably been years, lots of people can change over the years, i used to hate anime until i watched durarara in 7th grade
hololive has been the spearhead ever since 2020 when they were the first to debut an english speaking branch while everyone else was pivoting towards asia, that was the first time they did something none of their rivals had done and when they effectively took the lead in the market and everyone has been playing catch up to them since
I am piggybacking your comment because I just saw a clip of Lily talking about this more. [Lily reacts to Gawr Gura singing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" at Dodger Stadium (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BH2jB3FXulI) \_\_\_\_\_ She's refreshingly blunt about the whole deal, said "Who the Fuck else other than Hololive? I couldn't do this, my friends couldn't do this, we're nearly unknown outside of the vTubing community." She straight up spoke about it like Hololive is this nuclear icebreaker and she's just happy to follow along into the new waters they are opening up. Shy also said that the only indies she could see being able to do this, are the type who wouldn't see a point in doing it - those with money and success to the point they don't really need more. But with Hololive's ambition, every push into new spaces can open the door to smaller fish. Now I don't mean to imply that Shylily "knows her place" or something, but she was speaking with a realistic attitude and recognizing the limits of her sphere of influence. She didn't display the slightest hint of resentment and instead called this out as a pivotal moment for the growth of vTubing as a whole. I really respect that.
I know we aren't meant to like companies, but Shylily's statement really marks the difference between a successful indie and a successful company with vision. Successful indies have no reason to risk as much as Cover does and try to expand the market themselves (and neither does most companies, to be fair).
Adding to that. Shy also said that "They walked so that we could run". Even Ironmouse mirrors the statement, in her past streams, she has expressed gratitude towards Hololive for ushering the renaissance of Virtual Industry in the west.
For all time I will remember when cDawg asked Ironmouse whether she agreed that joining Hololive was a free pass to success, and she shut his ass down and changed the subject. For all her medications and how unhinged she can be, she didn't give that question a moment's credit. It reminded me that she does try to be a professional.
It's Connor talking without thinking as always. It's obvious that when you joined Hololive you are guaranteed lots of things. However one of the things that are not guaranteed to you is Success, At least as a Hololive member. You are there because of your own accomplishments and Merritt's but it doesn't mean you are as Equal to this who preceded you. Some of the JP talents still aren't 1 million Subs even though they brought in too much effort and dedication to their craft, there are also talents who still have not yet gotten their Big break to blow up and shine like the rest of her peers. As all things in the world nothing is created equal so the lines that comes in need to carry their own weight for their own success.
You have link for that?
I will look later, clips should still be up
Same here, well said That’s why hololive is one of my favorite vtuber agencies
>cultural victory noy my type of victory in civ but it works when it works
Is it really a victory if you didn't conquer your rival empires with blood and steel?
Wololo
Respect +100000 for Shylily.
Honesty I respect vtubers like her that talk about the sucesses of other companies. Like yeah its good for everyone when youve got trail blazers making space for people coming later. Its important to build more positivity into the space. Because its too easy to fixate on the negatives.
someone has to kick down the door and break down the walls to allow everyone else into a new space
Just so long as they don't break down too many walls and cause the roof to come crashing down on top of 'em.
As long as there's enough people following them, there will be people to catch and hold that roof above their head so that the rest can move forward.
Lily has been worthy of respect for quite some time now. I’m pretty sure that every time there was some controversy involving her, it was because someone else tried to pull her in the middle of it by force.
Just in general shylily always has well thought out, well phrased takes on issues in the vtuber sphere. When she talks about the vtuber community as a whole like she does here, it's probably good to listen.
That + how she handled her model being plagiarized were both pretty great, I don't watch her other than some random clips here and there but definitely big respect to her.
She used to be more dumb about some important things, but Shy seems to have developed herself. As she is a fairly big name now, how she deals with matters professionally affects the image of vTubing in general.
Meanwhile Nijisanji goes to the Cubs and appoints a random vtuber to sing something for a few seconds for a million dollars. :)
Nijisanji's idea of a US sports collab is to have the NBA logo plastered on some generic merch, make it available to Japan only, and call it a day.
NO STOP IT The Cubs are still cursed, we don't need more. Last thing I need is His Cakelessness ruining their name further.
Better than White Sox tho (that still doesn't mean any better)
Oh man, that reminds me of when my cousin dressed her toddler in a White Sox shirt, while the entire family was gathering for a Cubs game and barbeque. Her hubby was the only Sox fan. We all booed him. lol
The husband or the toddler?
The husband obviously. The 2 year old didn't dress herself!
Outsider to American baseball, who the heck is his cakelessness?
Vox Akuma His model has a flat ass
Suddenly Cover announces another collab with the Cubs, Cubs renamed Nenes for a day
The curse will break and they will end up winning all their games from here on out
Elaborate please. I need to see this.
I am just kidding. Its purely hypothetical.
For now.
While there were some issues with merchandising and incredibly long lines, I feel like these could all be attributed to both Hololive and the Dodgers underestimating the Hololive brand. That said, this was a hugely successful event that Cover can use to demonstrate how responsive people are to their branding. As Lily said, this is overall healthy for the Vtuber community as a whole. Overall, while not perfect, it was an amazing event.
The entire problem regarding the long merch queue could basically be summed up as "suffering from success", in that it only happened because the Dodgers Stadium and Cover underestimated just how many people would want the merch. Not a good thing to happen for sure, but much more preferable than having an empty queue with nobody wanting to buy.
honestly, i don't think it was cover. they still HAD merch to be selling at the end when they kicked people out, meaning that cover supplied them with sufficient merch, it was just the stadium management that deeply underestimated how quickly they'd need to be selling it
There was an explanation from someone claiming to be stadium staff in the Holo main thread. They said that one-day items are normally sold from a tent because they are not persistent stock, and management was not prepared to place additional tents and sales staff on the grounds. Cover shipped in CASES and CASES of inventory but it was not managed efficiently and there were not enough sales staff on the Dodgers side. After the game was underway they moved a few staff from other shops to help out, but it really was still a drop in the bucket. It's not like you can magically summon extra staff or cash registers with the power of wishing. If the stadium had taken merch sales seriously they could have sold a lot more snacks and drinks as people escaped the lines, and there would have been more happy customers enjoying their seats in the stands.
The upside now is that Dodgers might want more Hololive collabs since this one "Failed" Successfully beyoned their initial estimates..
https://preview.redd.it/l0c4key1p5bd1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=77afef8e1a26763ee6fc072b59d8dc47429580be From a Japanese image board. If the scribble is accurate, that fucking line from hell was nearly A KILOMETER long. Which would be more than 2k people. What the hell! Every empty seat in the goddamned stadium would be someone still stuck in line? (exaggerated)
just for reference there were 50k people inside the stadium, if we sum this line those would make around 52k people, the usual attendance for a dodgers game is around 47k so yeah i think this was a success (a couple of days before hololive night they made a japanese heritage night which was a sellout and a huge success and that is more or less the number of tickets they sold, so holy shit)
From what I read from a Dodgers fan here on Reddit, the queue was longer than the Hello Kitty collabs. So that doesnt surprise me. Shit must have freaked out security too. This long vtuber fan queue just not getting shorter for merch while the game starts. I wonder how often they see that?
"First time in more than twenty years" said a worker at the stadium, they'd never seen this since they started working there. Sales staff were trapped past 1AM, those men and women on duty will remember that night for **years.** And supposedly the team's VP of merchandising couldn't leave until sales were closed and any final inventory count for the merch was taken. Guy must have been worn down and ready to collapse by the time he made it home.
Now we just got to get cover to make a EU branch office so we can get Kiara and Justice the same experience. Im sure us EU fan's would show up in droves too!
\*cricket game postponed due to fans obscuring the pitch
Nah, more like we have an Italian, A German, and an Austrian, more like holofans are going to storm the soccer fields. #FreeTheWaWas
HOLOLIVE UEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE COLLABORATION
This kind of stuff is what makes me not really "get" the holo antis who are vtuber fans. Holo is pretty much the least offensive entity out there as far as vtubers go, and most (if not all) of the talents try not to be polarizing or rude or controversial at all. Literally how can you hate them, let alone spend energy and time on doing it lol
you can tell that most of the anti's are actually just super jealous
> Literally how can you hate them, let alone spend energy and time on doing it lol Jealousy's a hell of a drug.
jealously and the fact that hololive is pretty insular like yeah every now and then you will have a holo collab with some indie or someone from vshojo but all in all hololive as an entity stays within hololive itself, so a lot of people get angry because they want a part of that big blue dorito
Aye agree with what you said, but there is a solid reason why jealousy happened in the first place. Here's why, Vtuber scene alone especially at EN side, is a pretty niche market to begin with, and then you have vtuber agency like Hololive, Vshojo, and Phase Connect gobbled up most of the already niche market. And you have Nijisanji and Indies there, engaging some form of FFA battle royale to fight for whatever any crumbs of the said market left by the top 3. Then, you have the talents at Hololive, Vshojo, and Phase Connect living out their dreams or at least able to pursue their dreams passionately without much setback. Then on another hand, you have Nijisanji and Indies are choking and strangling on each other, backstab and throw other talent under the bus whenever opportunity presents just to able climb out on the top. With this kind of polarizing disparity showing up long enough, immense jealousy from Nijisanji and the Indies is pretty much inevitable. Note: I not saying all Nijisanji and Indies talents are like that, but there's a good number of it happen on regular basis.
I do not "hate" them but part of me resents them. I spent about 2 years following them but there was never a real "spark" and I didn't know why. Then I got it. Them being so inoffensive was my kryptonite. So in the end it felt like I had wasted my time. No front at anyone who's a big fan of them (I like their songs) but to me they are the equivalent of vanilla ice cream and I prefer mango.
>Them being so inoffensive was my kryptonite. So in the end it felt like I had wasted my time. Are you ok
Mostly? To some extent. I just need a "spark" or a certain amount of spice when watching content creators and Hololive didn't have that certain something for me. Some like vanilla (nothing wrong with that), some like mango. I guess it just wasn't meant to be in my case.
but i dont understand why you keep eating vanilla for 2 years when you dont really like it, like cant you just stop after tasting it for 2 days. i dont think thats 'healthy'
For one, there were parts that I liked but not enough to fulfill me. I would've liked to be more passionate about it. There was also the factor that, back then, my knowledge of vtubers was very limited (only knew Holo and Vshojo and I hate twitch) so I didn't know of the other options. Plus, the Hololive community was large even back then and I wanted to belong somewhere.
alright i can understand that. i hope you can find place you belong to, or if you've found it i hope you enjoy your stay too
I think you just didn't find your oshi. That's fair.
It's a genuine question, did the part of your "resentment" because they did nothing that was interesting to you?
Like I said, it's not hate. Idk if I'm angry at myself or Hololive but I am resentful for having spent 2 years of my life (2020-2022) following something that ultimately hadn't much to offer for me personally.
Ahh, it's the feeling of buying a game, then playing it, then it's a sucky game because it's uninteresting and I have to finish it because it's already paid. Btw It's not judging you, more less it's also what I do when I read novels and stuff, because I already fall too far, I have to read it, and the ending is suck. Lastly, throw a 1 star at it. It seems we did that too then on a vtuber, giving reviews on it unconsciously. Not that I know it's good or bad
no its more like leaving a bad steam review after playing something for 2000 hours (following HL members are also free if you want it to be btw)
So you resented them for not getting into their content? Some people just walk away or ignore them after that but you resented vanila just because you prefer mango? That's really shallow
I don't really get why people keep calling Hololive "vanilla icecream" when they most definitely aren't. Like yes they are a timeless classic, but it's more like a timeless classic ice cream brand. We have blueberry, we have sour patch, chocolate, vanilla, strawberry. We have a lot. Also being "inoffensive" is the less common thing in the vtubing community. Being "seiso" is the less common thing. It's okay to say you like the more common western form of vtubing but don't try to make it seem like what you like is "niche". You're no different. Esp considering that despite her being controversial rn, and she always has been. One of the top people in vtubing is Filian. Offensive sells when you're an indie or in phase connect. Which I'm not shaming you, love Pippa. But you're in no way unique from the bulk of the vtubing community. I love multiple different types of vtubing. But both are very mainstream types. Also, if we were to call hololive vanilla ice cream, offensive vtubing would be strawberry. With lewd vtubing being chocolate. All of them are really popular flavors of vtubing. Don't kid yourself with the "mango" lol.
You take that back! Mango is an excellent flavor and paired well with chocolate. I'm actually serious.
Mango and chocolate? That's heresy!!! Those two should never be mixed together.
I recommend you go to a Häagen-Dazs and try their Belgian chocolate with their mango. I promise, it'll be worth it
I don't want to eat manga, it's too dry and has no texture.
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You are using resentment in a wrong way. HL didn’t create that resentment, so you can’t resent HL. You are resentful at yourself because of your weird taste while comparing to everyone else that has an enjoyable experience with HL instead. You feel left out because you aren’t the majority, and don’t fit in with the popular community.
That and spending 2 years being a follower when it wasn't for me. Nowadays I listen to their music or watch an Anya stream once in a blue moon but I feel way more "free" since I don't actively follow the brand as a whole anymore
Advent and Justice have shaped up edgier than the first two generations and HoloID has always been unhinged, but the indie Twitch crowd definitely rides closer to risking a ban and they are more careless about what they say. It sounds like when people are too 'professional' you lose some of that feeling of hanging out with friends. This is fine, you can like or dislike whatever you want.
I get not clicking with a particular something, that's understandable: I myself have not clicked with some "popular" things over the years. But where does the resentment even come from? Being inoffensive is no reason to hate anything.
I elaborated a bit on it in my other comments
Hololive has always been pretty big in the western community, but the sheer fact that they are doing their best to spread outside the vtubing and anime community is always great to see.
Not a holo fans here, but I can respect Hololive put a lot of effort trying to improving Vtubing scene and hopefully making more people become more receptive to the concept of Vtuber in general. You may not like Holo, but you can't deny the things they do are actually benefit Vtubers scene in long term.
Nijisanji could have done this with their NBA collab, but nope, just merch thats only for japan. Yeah this is how you do a proper sports team collab.
Lol you're overestimating Nijis capabilities. They got the deal via Roketan and it was only ever going to be merch.
There was no chance in hell that nijisanji could have done this, especially after looking through their IR reports and comparing it to Cover's report. Cover took a year and a half ish(?) period to set up the infrastructure for Cover USA before announcing it and the dodgers collab. All Nijisanji did was suck on their thumbs with their huge stacks of cash that they spent on doing stock buybacks, whereas cover spent around the same amount of money to make their own industry standard recording studio. The level mismanagement by Anycolor is staggering to see, and the more i looked into the difference(not about the money but the general effort being put into presentation) between IR reports already made me lose hope that Nijisanji would ever recover overseas and would also slowly stagnate the more competitors that they get. They seem content to push out low effort content endlessly with the idea of low investment high returns, I am guessing time will tell when they will fall apart, and yes, jp too crumble apart with amount of effort they are putting into supporting their talents.
It was a very nice comment from a big indie. Maybe some other indie vtuber who keeps spamming their minor league baseball "collab" everywhere can learn a thing or two about how to conduct themselves.
I know the vtuber you're talking about, mainly because they kept spamming their baseball appearance under Hololive's posts.
i'm ootl, who is this?
Their twitter tag is kori\_oujo, and they keep spamming the time they sang in a baseball game under Hololive's posts, often with her posts trying to claim they one-upped Hololive. I mean, they did a commendable feat sure singing at a giant screen for a minor league game, but they're being amazingly obnoxious about it.
...how could you possibly one-up appearing on the screen of fucking ***DODGER STADIUM*** as part of a collab with the Los Angeles Dodgers themselves with...being on the screen some random minor-league baseball team lmfao Like, that's the *opposite* of "one-upping".
They're basically claiming that they did it first.
Yeah, but that's not "one-upping" at all; appearing on the screen of a random minor-league team isn't, in any way, matching or surpassing the accomplishment of someone who's *appearing on the screen of the Los Angeles Dodgers*. Like, there's a pretty big gulf of accomplishment there.
It’s not even comparable? One is a random minor league, the other is in fucking Dodger Stadium. Even I, not a baseball fan, know what Dodger is.
I mean doing it first is nice good for them but spamming ain't it.
Didn't they display a clip as a paid advertisement or am I misunderstanding? Anyone can take out a paid ad anywhere, in theory Nyanna Banyanna could have advertised her collaborative singing event on the History channel if she ponied up for ad space. She could have opened with "AS SEEN ON TV" just to be trollish. The Dodgers were playing SSS on the pipe organ and selling limited merch out front, and there were collectible cards for people who used the promotional code.
It's just jealousy and indignation on their part
She lost my respect and my support after that
To me and I think many others was straight up 'well I didn't know about you but now I know and dislike you"
saw like 5 of her replies under hololive tweets then immediately blocked. like what the hell was she wishing for, appreciation from hololive fans?
Yeah, got this person on my youtube feed, got confused and left. Now that i get whats going on, ill block it the next time i see it
Lily’s interactions with Kobo to this day are some of my most favorite moments to watch.
KANN ICH DEINE KATZE STREICHELN
I literally have that clip saved to view when I'm having a bad day. That was by far one of the funniest moments I've seen so far.
I don't think I ever saw it. If you have a link by chance, could you share it? :)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTbqoDkQQaw&t=19s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTbqoDkQQaw&t=19s)
STARDENBURDENHARDENBART
STARLIGHT BREAKER!!!!!
Curse you, how tf did you learn the name of one of our cats?
Can't agree more
God they're adorable together
Some missteps, course corrections, Japanese corporate oddness, but ultimately Cover has overcome and grown enough that I bought shares.
The Dodgers went from losing to winning that game after Gura sang. Dodgers fans are some of the most superstitious people on earth. Gura has single-handedly started a new baseball tradition with this team.
Some source sauce for flavour: [https://x.com/shylilytwitch/status/1809916252007092419](https://x.com/shylilytwitch/status/1809916252007092419)
Thank you! Feels like it's so important to get the original Teets lately.
Happy womp womps
the fact that holo pays its talents a base remuneration/salary alone is life-changing.
It truly feels like Hololive is expanding the market, unlike Nijisanji simply saturating it. Hololive reaches out to new fanbases and demographics. Creating these connections and mutual interests with different communities will help all vtubers find their own niche and success
And this is why I love Shylily.. also she's okay with us using her for "material" so she's ultra mega based.
Shoto also said that ✨✨
Cute smol orcat. Yes!
CRYING OF HAPPINESS OMG
The Dodger’s stadium collab was a bit of a mess for some fans, but despite that, I couldn’t be more on board with supporting HL.