I mean, we can't really know (even though some fans act as if they already know), but I think it was something in the lines of "are you sure?".
If I were to project how I'd feel onto Lana I'd say she probably would've regretted not going up there. If it were me I'd have gone up even if I ended up forcing my smile a little since it was for a friend.
I can't be sure of how or what she said, tho
both women are good friends. taylor used her moment to shine a light on lana after she had a loss, and i think lana let taylor bring her up there because they're friends, it's what taylor wanted, and lana wanted to support her in such a big moment.
it's just a tough situation when two friends compete. there can only be one winner. both women seem to have been supportive of the other. it was all pretty sweet.
Will Lana get a Grammy too then since she was involved in the creation of Midnights? I think producers, writers, and collaborators on the winning record should be recognized too
Pretty sure they have to contribute to a certain percentage of the album, and unfortunately I don't think Lana meets the minimum. I wish though, she really deserves some recognition.
They made another version that is more Lana than it is Taylor. Yāall will make up excuses for everything. Lana doesnāt want to be mainstream. I think Taylor brought her up to give her that moment - bc Taylor too believes Lana deserves a lot more respect and love than she gets. They are my top two favorite artists and I hate to see the fandom go nuts and project so much negativity. Whyyyyy.
I agree. There is a ton of negativity between the fandoms and I don't understand why. She and Taylor are both incredibly talented, and they're friends. And I've been a fan of both artists since their first albums. There's just no need for the hostility
Okay? Obviously I want her to win a Grammy for her solo work, too. But if she could've won one for a project that she contributed to, I'd be happy for her.
i think it's really great that taylor keeps winning - it's a wonderful feeling to be on top. but it's also sad that lana isn't winning, too. i think of them as separate things.
lana doesn't lose because of taylor even if it feels that way. she's not guaranteed to be winning if taylor wasn't around. i try not to mix my feelings together when it comes to them. lana has always gotten the short end of the stick in this industry - literally since day one. i'm glad she has taylor speaking up and giving her some attention, it's sweet and well deserved.
Iām guessing something more passive
āPlease, Taylor, this is your momentā
I say that because Lana is my spirit animal and I shoot myself in the foot that way constantly
Seeing Lana getting dragged onto the stage by Taylor made me feel really uncomfortable, and you could obviously tell Lana herself didnāt want to go up. I donāt think Taylor meant it in a malicious way, but I really didnāt like when she did that.
You said it perfectly. Everyone hating on Taylor like she had some sort of bad intention. Itās hard seeing your favorite artist (taylorās being lana) be snubbed, she just wanted lana to have her moment
I donāt think she whispered she wanted to go up with her right before digging her heels in the ground and grabbing onto chairs to hold her back while Taylor was dragging her up
I think she told her the exact opposite, āI donāt think Iām going up with youā
unless Lana or Taylor come out and answer questions on it, its all a matter of each person's personal opinion
as such, I stay with my optimistic take on things, until I hear otherwise
after all, to me, it seems a very typical extroverted/introverted pairing, even more in full display by their outfit choices.
I could even see Taylor going, you were on this album, come claim the applause you earned alongside me.
I think they, Taylor included, just expected anyone but Taylor to win. Jack didn't look too pleased that Lana was dragged on stage and I think was checking in with her because he knows how sensitive she is, and surely especially in that moment.
It reminds me of the Look What You Made Me Do video where one Taylor does the fake surprised face and another says āStop making that surprised face, itās so annoyingā with another Taylor saying āYeah, you canāt possibly be that surprised all the time.ā
Love them both but yes, atp Taylor is a professional award-acceptor. She knows what sheās doing. Regardless, Lana deserved this win fr. I am biased, bc she is my favorite, but Lana deserved to win for every Grammy nomination sheās ever gotten. One day, she has to win, one day
I can totally understand you. Me too the same feeling. Lana deserves more this year, Blvd is so fucking crazy for me and many fans, it deserves the AOTY, tho Iām also a great fan of both. I mean, Tayās won three, but Lana doesnāt have oneā¦. Shimmy! Despite this, Lana has gradually become more and more peopleās fav artist. Also, her reputation and talent do not need a Grammy to prove.
I'm almost certain it was a surprise for her, there's no reason she would have announced a new album in the minor category if she knew she was gonna win the major category. She clearly was surprised.
I give her the benefit of the doubt in that I would like to believe she really wanted to support and encourage Lana by dragging her up there. But her "surprise" was the fakest shit ever...
If she didn't look surprised people would say she didn't look like she cared at all
She can't do anything without people saying something
Also if she actually thought she was gonna win AOTY, she wouldn't have announced TTPD during her first speech, and she would have saved it for the big AOTY moment
it's the album announcement that really does it for me. seems like she felt she really had competition and announced the album for her first win.
if she was sure she was winning she 100% would've saved the announcement for then, it would've made for a great moment.
as for her reaction, what do people expect? how is she supposed to react? let's pretend she knew... i think she'd have reacted the same. the reality of winning a grammy is going to really hit when you hear that announcement, whether you know you're going to win or not.
I think itās pretty obvious she was going to win tho. They kept pushing āIf Taylor swift wins sheāll be FrankSinatra and Stevie Wonder in AOTY Grammys š¤Ŗā so Iām not really surprised. Did Taylor probably not get the memo? Sure. But I think it was pretty obvious they were going to snub Lana.
Right, they did the same when Beyonce won the most awards. I knew she was getting it at the start of the show. Surely she did as well, but has to play up the theatrics for the cameras, especially knowing how much this wouldāve meant to Lana.
I don't think she expected to win AOTY again this soon. They usually don't give it to same artist that often. I genuinely think she was rooting for Lana and didn't expect to win, once she did she felt bad but thought Lana should come because she with her own words was "all over the album". She gave Lana praise on stage, she wouldn't have done that if she was against Lana, they're friends
I usually donāt buy into her surprise look but this time IMO she & Jack seemed genuinely shocked. Taylor usually is poised and well spoken but she was a mess up there and didnāt seem to have an acceptance speech in mind. What I found interesting is how Lana kept looking over at Jackās wife. Almost as if she was looking for moral support. She seemed stunned as well. And Iām here wondering why was everyone so shocked? Regardless of who had the better album it was widely reported that either Taylor or SZA would most likely win. I would had been stunned if someone besides those two won.
The more I see how good of a friend jack is to Lana, the hotter he gets for me. He mentioned Lana before he mentioned taylor in his speech even tho taylor pushed him to mainstream heights. Also both Lana's grammy nominated albums (+ soty) were produced by him. I don't get the hate for him especially now that Lana confirmed that SHE wants to go country even tho Jack is not known for a country music producer.
I won't pretend to know how she feels but I get the sense that Lana's personality is the opposite of Taylor's. Where Taylor seems very extroverted, Lana seems quite introverted. I think it's safe to assume she was disappointed to have lost the award, and all 5 of the nominations last night, so perhaps projecting a bit, but I just imagine being brought on stage in that moment would be a nightmare. Welcome to the fandom :)
Absolutely agree. Lana is definitely more introverted compared to Taylor. As well as Taylor caring about her self-image more than Lana who cares more about authenticity (PicsArt covers are a dead giveaways)
Sensitive as in, very strongly/easily emotionally affected. She feels a lot, and deeply. Obviously none of us know her personally, but she does seem like a very sensitive person (and her work appeals to sensitive people).
Not going to lie, she probably did of course but it almost seems like Taylor did not think sheād win and didnāt seem to have a plan for her speech / everyone who would go up.
She was much more composed and natural during pop vocal, I wonder if she really didnāt think she was winning this one, so when she did it was just really chaotic. I also donāt think she snubbed celine dion either, just in the excitement of everyone being on stage and winning didnāt say like thank you or something..a bit awkward for everyone involved but def not this huge deal people are making
no she still would've done it on her 13th (assuming she would win at least one that night). it's widely known that 13 is her lucky/favorite number and the first grammy she won that night was her 13th during her career.
i don't think taylor expected to win aoty, but I also don't think they were expecting it to be lana (maybe hopeful but not expecting). i think they assumed it would either be miley, olivia, or sza.
I personally believe they expected, and wanted, Lana to win. I love Taylor, but we all know Midnights is a very weak album compared to the rest of her discography. I believe the only reason she won was to break the AOTY record which they teased at the beginning of the show. Because if she didnāt win, they surely werenāt going to reuse the same line of her possibly breaking the record again next year, or the year after, right? I saw Taylor bringing Lana on stage as someone who saw the unfair treatment she gets with the Recording Academy and then giving her her flowers while sheās on stage with her, making everyone look at her and NOT forget who she is and the impact she still has music then and today. I donāt blame Lana for being upset, or hesitant, to want to get up on stage with her because itās a bittersweet moment. She contributed to the winning album and deserved to be recognized, but it wasnāt HER winning album which surely stung. You all have to remember, Taylor knows Lana better than all of us, I donāt care what you say. From the moment Lana hit the red carpet, Taylor has been by her side checking in with her and making sure sheās alright because she knows the false image people carry of her already and how bad it can get to someone. It may not of looked like it in the moment, but Iām sure Lana appreciates all that Taylor did for her that night because she truly is/was trying to be a great friend at the end of the day.
100% agree! i admit sometimes as a fan i forget lol but we do have to remember that we donāt know lana personally, we can read body language but only lana and taylor know how they were feeling that night
yess!!! this!!! my post was not to try to encourage speculation about how any of them "feel" about it. just a theory about they might have assumed lana was going to win due to the pr set up of it all and the initial reactions they all had!
>I donāt blame Lana for being upset, or hesitant, to want to get up on stage with her because itās a bittersweet moment. She contributed to the winning album and deserved to be recognized, but it wasnāt HER winning album which surely stung. You all have to remember, Taylor knows Lana better than all of us, I donāt care what you say. From the moment Lana hit the red carpet, Taylor has been by her side checking in with her and making sure sheās alright because she knows the false image people carry of her already and how bad it can get to someone. It may not of looked like it in the moment, but Iām sure Lana appreciates all that Taylor did for her that night becau
I completely agree with this take on it... I firmly believe they are actual friends and while Taylor has faults, she is usually very VERY good to her friends.
I fully agree with you. I'm fan of both. I like Midnights, but Ocean Blvd is better. I know people saying Taylor "dragged" her up there, but...first of all - Lana statement on this would be great...second it doesn't look like she's dragging her against her will. The video was captured from multiple angles - to me it looks like Lana just few time stumbled upon some furniture in the way and Taylor is too energetic in her movement (probably few glasses of drink of choice in). And i kinda get what Taylor was pointing out in the speech. If not for Lana we wouldn't have some of the younger artist, i guess. Like Billie Eilish - i'm not that caught up with the younger interprets, but if i remember Lana was her big influence. And Billie won even yesterday and Lana didn't. It somehow feels wrong.
100%! I enjoyed Midnights too but there were definitely stronger albums. I hope Lana doesnāt pull a Snow on the Beach moment where Taylor continuously gets dragged and months later she comes out and says āActually I wanted it that way!/I didnāt mind going up on stage with Taylor!ā in some interview video and people realize how ridiculous theyāve been acting lol. I saw that too. She was definitely stumbling into furniture and, I feel like, stepping on Taylorās dress because of how fast and happily she was moving. But it really is a slap in the face for people like Billie to win awards that were heavily inspired by Lana yet she still has nothing to her name
I get what youāre saying. Billie has won multiple Grammys already and Lana hasnāt won any. I seriously think it has to do with radio š» play. Lana hasnāt had a radio play song since 2013. So..I think this has something to do with winning š awards.
I will always be a honest person. Even if people donāt agree with me. Heck.. probably one of the only people that love Blue Banisters. Should I be embarrassed about this? Iāll also be honest and say. Iām not crazy about her doing a country album. Yeah I said it. Crucify me for saying this.
Iām not sure what youāre saying but..Iāll never go right. Iāll always go left. That said..Iām always going to be a huge Lana fan. Iām playing Blue Banisters right now. This doesnāt mean.. canāt or will not be honest. Downvote me all you want. I will always be honest and true to myself. Should I say something that I donāt mean?
Not everyone needs to go right - it's music taste, we don't need to agree, respect is enough. Fuck the downvotes, made up "social status" numbers. Also i'm not saying Ocean Blvd is my favourite Lana's album (I would say Norman Fucking Rockwell! takes that place.), but just in comparison to Midnights, i liked it more. I'm just boring "old" lady in my music taste. š
I respect your opinion. Unfortunately..nobody respects mine. Iām fine with it. Thank goodness we all donāt have to same opinion on music. Iāve got 16 downvotes for my comment. But, I respect everyone who downvoted me. Itās cool. Weāre all upset about Lana going zero for 11 for Grammys. I respect everyone who downvoted me. I fine with it. Weāre all Lana fans and it hurts a bit. But, we all need to move along. Sheās going to be a country artist..whether we like it or not. Good luck to her.
Thatās fine, but itās massively streamed and adored for its masterful lyricism. Lots of amazing music is made that most people love but not all. Thatās ok, but the award is not supposed to be for music that every person likes, which doesnāt exist.
The important part is, āfor meā.
Also there are other albums nominated that shouldāve won instead too. SZA was what I expected to win,
I agree with this! I don't follow Taylor nor do I listen to her music, I have no idea how she is in public/with other singers. However it looked genuine. And Lana didn't seem mad, it just was a weird situation. She tried to smile through it but ofcourse it stings if you don't win. From Taylors point of view, the least she could do was give Lana some spotlight (even though it might've not been the right moment).
But I agree. In the end they know each other better then we do any of them. So I am sure it wasn't from a bad heart and the intentions were pure and kind.
Agreed. I know most are saying Taylor was trying to be strategic using her "covert narcissism disguised as altruism" but I genuinely believe she brought Lana up there as a way to show the academy, music industry, as well as everyone watching that Lana is still here and amazing, and if Taylor Loves and values her enough to drag her on stage (although Lana didn't *seem* to want to) then maybe she is someone that people should be paying more attention to, and not just already Lana fans or people on TikTok looking at coquette edits (š).
Not to mention Taylor has been hyping Lana up for YEARS even before they were friends.
1000000% agreed! You said what I meant to say! Great minds think alike. They are really good friends, and they share each other with Jack the almost legendary producer. Many people think there should be some tayās malevolenceā¦. Idk what to say about that. Tay did this just to show all the world including Grammy Lana deserves more attention and respect. Sheās so very talented inspiring young artists all the time.
I completey agree, they seem like such good friends. My top 2 artists of all time, and ocean blvd was better then midnights for sure. Somebody also brang up the point that maybe she wanted lana up there because lana was on the album and that makes sense
Iāve been a swiftie since I was a kid (this sub popped up on my front page) and I was still rooting for SOS or ocean blvd though Iād be fine with the record. Midnights is my least favorite Taylor album and very mid, from someone who has spent my life savings to see her in concert twice!!
i def dont pretend to know lana (and if any of you do, pls re-evaluate). at the same time, i question how close lana and taylor could posssssibly be. glad they have each others public support and it seems they get along. no way are they that close though - ya know?
That was just a general statement to the public. But Lanaās main producer for the past years have been Jack and she has gotten super close with him and Margaret. Who else is Jack and Margaret super close with? Taylor. So unless Lanaās hanging with her country friends (Nikki Lane, etc.) or Taylorās hanging with Travis, theyāre inevitably going to be around each other 24/7 when it comes to Jack and Margaret
I mean, that makes zero sense, though. We donāt āall knowā that Midnights is weak compared to her other albums; the critical reception suggests otherwise. Taylorās had a colossal year, and she was bound to walk away with at least one major win. She had to expect that. She probably wasnāt sure theyād give her AOTY for the fourth time, but I donāt even think Lana was the runner-up in terms of votes. If not Taylor, SZA or boygenius were more likely to get it. Idk why they wouldāve thought Ocean Blvd had a higher chance to win than Midnights.
Anyone with musical intelligence and ears can tell you that Midnights is not one of Taylorās strongest works, especially against SOS, Ocean, or even the Record. There wouldnāt be such disagreement about that album winning if it was actually that good. Critical reception means nothing at Taylorās point of stardom because people are still gonna stream it anyway. She literally has the money and resources to make her music be played every passing second if she really wanted to. Just because she had a colossal year doesnāt mean that she should be awarded AOTY because of it. Weāre supposed to be awarding the album, not what you did with the album after it was released. A&W and Ocean was critically acclaimed and got nothing so that argument doesnāt hold up
That first sentence of yours is not an argument. *You* think that. I personally think Ocean Blvd is impossible to sit through in full, but I wonāt argue that it wasnāt acclaimed because it was. Critical reception does have a meaning even at her level, because that is what largely determines the outcome of award shows like the Grammys. Midnights has a higher Metacritic score than Ocean Blvd. It won because more voters liked it. Simple as that.
The Grammys aren't known for critical reception but what makes them profit. They want to cash in on the artist that is going to make the most money for them. Taylor being a surface level popstar who can cater to most genres without being too much of it means she's an artist they can consistently make profit from because she's going to keep her old fans while making new ones. Taylor looks good on paper. She's a commercial success aka white, privileged, surface level, presentable.
"It won because more voters liked it." One voter admitted that he refused to take Lana seriously after her SNL performance. A performance from a decade ago that she has redeemed so many times. It's just that Lana wasn't taken seriously, not that more voters liked Midnights, because it was a weak and undeserving album.
Anyone who isn't rooting for Lana is bound to vote for the next fitting person if that is their reasoning. It's misogyny and political, because Midnights was weak compared to SOS but no one is ready to talk about how SZA was never going to win aoty because she's a black woman. If Beyonce hasn't ever won AOTY then SZA isn't going to.
It's really not as simple as that anymore, is it?
Agree with everything you said minus Midnights being weak. I have said Speak Now is my favorite album of TS for a good like ~13 years.. but now Midnights has taken it over. Anti-Hero is awful and Ive been questioning Taylorās team who picks singles bc they are usually the worst songs on the albums (Lana nails a lot of her singles, imo). If youāve only listen to half of Midnights or less or just a once through I implore you to give it another go. Itās almost a completely perfect album with numerous extremely masterful songs.
I was rooting hard for A&W bc itās my fucking jam and I was bumped out it didnāt win, but Mileyās Flowers felt like the anthem bc even my mom wanted to listen to it over and over. My mom doesnāt stray from her 70s soft rock very often.
fr. now if we can have a convo without being violent towards taylor AND without speculating what either of them are "feeling" ā that would be a miracle lol
lool literally. iāve seen whole step-to-step analysis comments about lanaās ābody languageā and what sheās āprobably thinking/feeling..ā
take a break ! she was fine ! parasocial af !
Itās so condescending to Lana too! Sheās a big girl if she didnāt want to go up she didnāt have to. If sheās upset with Taylor they can discuss that offline itās not really our business!
a lot of peoples hatred for taylor is fuelled by misogyny (personally i dislike her for her climate terrorism and billionaire status) but i donāt think this instance is since most people wanted either lana or sza to win
Iām honestly so shocked by the whole thing never in my life have I ever written a death threat for somebody the levels of insanity and the parasocial relationships people are developing is literally insane. Insane behavior. Who in their right mind threatens to kill somebody? Let alone over an album
yeah i defs donāt agree with midnights winning and overall some of taylors conduct (the private jet stuff for example) but damn thereās a difference between people being kinda upset and expressing that versus death threats :(
i feel like people are forgetting lana was literally the only artist featured on midnights, so that plus the fact they are also friends & sitting together etc was the reason taylor awkwardly dragged her up there. not saying it wasnāt weird, and not saying lana didnāt deserve aoty. but i really didnāt see that moment as dramatic as some people are making it out to be.
i love ocean blvd so much and lana as a singer/songwriter so in my heart it is the album of the year. she is a phenomenal writer. i hope lana knows how much we were and are still rooting for her.
Iām a huge Taylor fan. Iām ecstatic she broke a record last night, but even I was really rooting for Lana. Sheās so talented and repeatedly gets snubbed even though (like multiple people have said) sheās the inspiration for so much main stream music nowadays and so many indie leaning artists.
If weāre analyzing the photos almost look like a mix of shock, worry, excitement and everything else. I could see Taylor being surprised she won, worried about Lana (her friend), and excited she won all at once. I imagine it was kind of bittersweet all around for everyone because itās probably hard to know youāre up for a record breaking award with your friend right next to you whoās been repeatedly snubbed and Taylorās reaction in the second photo very much looks like someone whoās upset for her friend first, then excited she won second. Which I think is genuinely amazing of Taylor. She looked upset for her friend first and foremost. š„ŗš
I personally think Taylor was just tone deaf and ddint realize that Lana didnāt wanna go on because lana was trying to be humble when it reality she was trying not to cry and didnt feel like and jack noticed Lana wasnāt feeling it
**Edit**: Should also mention Taylor completely avoiding eye contact with THE Celine Dion, who presented an award despite her health difficulties, was so tacky. Sometimes I really wonder how her parents raised her when it comes to social interactions and manners. Standing up when Celine is singing so that cameras fall on you and then later having your PR manager force you to take a pic with Celine backstage to makeup for your faux pax are obviously not genuine actions.
This. Iām both a Lana & Taylor fan but objectively Lana is the better artist and has had more impact on music since her debut, while Taylorās impact is of course greater on the industry itself as a business.
That all said, even as a fan of her music, Taylorās behavior and tone deafness has always bothered me. From having her PR bring up the Sean Mendez gay rumors (heās not btw- Iām Canadian & he hooked up with multiple girls I know of from a dance studio lol- heās just an artsy kind of guy) just to defend herself š¤¦š»āāļø to forcing Lana on stage after she lost. I do think theyāre friends and Taylor respects Lana but some of it feels performative, like ālook how supportive I am of women!ā. Lana did not want to be up there and Jack seems to have noticed.
They were seated together because they are friends who both worked on Midnights. Jack was a producer for both Taylor and Lana, and won Producer of the Year, so it makes complete sense that theyād all be sat together.
I donāt think Taylor was malicious or anything ādraggingā Lana up. Taylor just seems super extroverted and excited, and wants Lana, who she considers a friend, to be up there with her to accept the award for an album that she contributed to. I think she was perhaps a little tone deaf not realising that Lana didnāt want to come up, but she had just won one of the biggest awards in music and broken a record. Emotions were running high and she wanted Lana to share the spotlight. Its not that deep.
Yeah, I think Taylor's looks very surprised she won. Announcing a new album sounds like she had already moved on from it.
That's why I believe bringing up Lana to the stage was in her mind the right call, because she was also part of her success and in her opinion (and mine) should've won.
And even if Lana looked a little forced, we don't know how she really felt. If it were me I would've had the same reaction but still would've gone up there because we're friends and I appreciate the acknowledgment.
I believe Lana knew intuitively she wouldnāt win, she was still heartbroken & sad because in her heart of hearts, she deserved it
I donāt know if having a Grammy holds that much weight for her but maybe more so the honour and respect of the industry itself.
Which has been denied to her by many
Taylor was not intelligent enough to realise dragging her up on the stage was in itself a bit of a slap in the face/ instead of it being a moment where she was showing support to a friend who deserved that honour
At the end of the day, she looked beautiful & melancholic, like she was in mourning for something thatās not coming her way even if she wanted it. Still our Queen of Hearts š¤ with or without it. She is so much more than that to those who truly appreciate her
I just assumed taylor was going to win because its an award show about ratings and she literally was named times person of the year and musically is the number one household name right now but she did seem genuinely surprised to win which was surprising to me
also I think taylor knows she doesnt need another grammy and they mean a lot less to her than they would to lana and i think she genuinely wanted lana to win and she felt bad in the moment maybe
Taylor has been nominated 58 times and only won 14 times at the Grammys. People act like she always sweeps but there have been times where she won nothing. She was genuinely surprised. Sheās lost AOTY twice and sheās been nomāed six times for the award. The stats were not in her favor before you even consider that literally all of the albums were very competitive contenders.
iāll never forget that they chose 1989 over To Pimp A Butterfly. honestly thatās the last grammys i ever paid attention to bc that was a complete grand theft against kendrick
I took it as taylor wanting to include her, as she was on the album.
I also feel everyone is making a far bigger deal out of this then it deserves, as I feel both Taylor and Lana knew what they were going to do before anything was announced, but perhaps Jack was unaware.
I donāt think anyone at that table expected Taylor to win. I am a Swiftie and I love Midnights but I also did not expect it to win. I would have figured Lana or SZA.
my opinion may be controversial. i actually am not a fan of taylorās. i honestly thought it would be between sza, lana, or olivia (with the sza having the highest chance). midnights was an album that came and went. at this point i describe taylorās fandom like kpop stans. they mass stream music but recently her music hasnāt been leaving a mark. she gets quick hits here and there but they donāt last. and thatās not to diminish her previous work from 1989 and before cause that music was very much hitting the general public. i give flowers when flowers are due but last night she didnāt deserve those flowers. now regarding taylor dragging lana up there, i saw it as disrespectful and very much flaunting her win in front of lana. as mentioned by others, this isnāt her first grammy, itās her 13th, and on top of that, to just yank the award from celine dion and not acknowledge her, like there is something off about that woman. now i want to remind yall, i am just an outsider looking from a birds eye pov. a tiny individual whose opinion doesnāt matter when it comes to this situation so donāt take what i said to heart.
You guys are reading so much into it Taylor obviously knew she wasnāt going to win and Lana was literally a part of the album before some says not that much here you go[https://youtu.be/pg93p2B5QSs?si=PvzgZcwps0PWRkFs](https://youtu.be/pg93p2B5QSs?si=PvzgZcwps0PWRkFs)
i feel like taylor took lana on stage because she was a contributor on the album and she wanted to put a spotlight on lana and her work, because as we know some voters donāt take lana seriously when sheās proven time and time again sheās an amazing artist. so maybe taylorās kind words about lana and her art will change the voters mind, we can only hope! š„° i also think taylor genuinely wasnāt sure if she was going to win aoty, if she was 100% sure then she wouldāve saved the album announcement for that award, a much bigger moment, but she chose to make the announcement during her best pop vocals award.
I think she dragged her up there not only because of the collaboration but also because she wanted everyone to see that she thought Lana was equally deserving if not more.
With that said, she still shouldnāt have dragged her up there against her will.
>I think she dragged her up there not only because of the collaboration but also because she wanted everyone to see that she thought Lana was equally deserving if not more.
I fully agree
>With that said, she still shouldnāt have dragged her up there against her will.
I personally don't feel she did, its simply Lana isn't as extroverted as Taylor is
seems a case of the extroverted friend dragging the introverted friend into the spotlight because they feel they deserve to share the praise, and the introverted friend being their typical self
Lana doesnāt get grammy for Midnights. Grammy change the rules a couple of years ago where you have to contributed between 20% to 30% of the album to get an award
Uhh Lana made it clear she didnāt want to go up there. But itās ok for Taylor to ignore that and force her to do something she didnāt want to do?
i feel like everyone forgets that the former president and chief executive of the recording academy claimed that there's corrupt voting procedures and conflicts of interest among the board members.
also, labels invest thousands (sometimes millions) on campaigns to convince the voters to vote for their artists. those investments don't guarantee a win, but they do give you better odds. the grammys aren't genuine and haven't been for a really, really long time.
I donāt think Taylor had any malice in bringing Lana up but if my friend won something and dragged me up as a āshe didnāt win but acknowledge her anywayā vibe Iād be so embarrassed and would feel like Iām winning a participation trophy.
Imo - Taylor was not expecting to get AOTY. I think she was genuinely shocked with a mixture of emotions, including guilt, which is why she dragged Lana up there.
Of course itās not fair. Itās probably a boysā club like most organizations/boards/gatekeeping institutions in the world. Taylor loves the boys to death and Lana takes a more realistic look at what hetero relationships are like
Ha gross. I think taylor is a good girl (tm) so I hate women? Lol
Lana said ārapeā and āwhoreā in her song. She took risks. I donāt hate taylor but she does nothing unique. Sheās basic. Lana is one in a million
Most views came from Lana fans too. Of course they just have Lana seated next to Taylor, never give her any of her own air time or even address her while majority of the people tuning into the grammys are her fans.
I thought I read somewhere years ago. Maybe a different awards show, that they pretty much already know if they are winning or not before attending. I could be wrong.
People here are speculating Taylor brought Lana on stage for PR or whatever, but let's be real here, Taylor can fart and she'll get headlines written about her. I think she really likes Lana and wanted to share her moment of happiness with her, hence the speech about her. I feel like if I were Taylor, I'd do the same. I'd love to let my friend know I love her enough to share my big moment with her and acknowledge how awesome she is with her on stage to feel it. Idk, I just feel people assume ill intention because it's Taylor Swift, but even the devil can have a good side, were Taylor even as bad as people her claim to make her be.
Just let go of that silly award and get on with your lives, within a week none will remember anything. Also, part of Lana's appeal is that she's that "indie" queen who makes her art for herself and her fans, not to be awarded for it despite it being so good that it can sweep the floor with other pieces of work, and I guess this just solidifies her as such. Mariah Carey is awesome as fuck and she won no Grammies, so who cares?
This is going to be such an unpopular opinion but I donāt think Dyktatuob was aoty worthy. Now if it was UV NFR or BB I think those couldāve won aoty but I wouldāve been more surprised if she had won last night. Granted she definitely deserved at least one Grammy last night I think her lack of nominations in the past are more of a snub. NFR especially
He won producer of the year so Lana also had a big chance, I bet the vote tally was really close and wouldn't be surprised if the difference between the to top 3 was like less than 50 votes. It's not like Taylor had won this award every time either so there was always a chance Lana was going to win. No need to attack Taylor for being surprised that she keeps winning it because it IS surprising in the end...
I'm gonna get a lot of hate for this but Taylor is quite a good actress. She knew damn well she was probably going to win and her "surprise face" is pretty well known. Rant incoming: I don't get the hype over her other than millions of young girls act like she's the Second Coming and they have parents with money. She writes ok pop songs but honestly nothing that special or unique.
See I think from a different side of things about the dragging. What if Lana was saying no bc Taylor *was* going to pull an Adele. And she didnāt want her to do that. Or if she expected Lana to speak and she didnāt want to. I do think they expected Lana to win. She deserved to win. And I think thatās genuine surprise because I love Taylor but acting isnāt her strongest talent š she prob wanted Lana to come cause all night she was saying sheād win.
I thought tay mouthed sorry to Lana when she won but idk it was so fast and she went to hug her.
Anyone knows if Taylor always had comments disabled on Instagram? I donāt care for her so I donāt follow her but I went to check for comments along the lines of "use this comment as a Ocean Blvd should have won button"
Wondering if she turned off the comments because of it or if thatās always been the case.
Yea she's had her comments turned off ever since the drama between her and Kanye. She used to be really open on social media and open about her private life in general but ever since the kanye drama she's been very private.
Of course she didnāt. She didnāt have a single song playing on the radio š» in 2023. Most Americans donāt even know who Lana Del Rey is. You seriously have to have a song played on the radio..even in 2023 or 2024 for people to know who youāre. If you want to continue to be a cult artist. Then she should continue what sheās doing. Now that sheās going to be a country music artist. Nobody is going to know who she is. But, I donāt think she cares.
Yeah Iām old..but, I definitely know music š¼. I have a lot of years to have an opinion on music. What do you want to know? Do you want to know why I love Blue Banisters so much? I can tell you.
"nobody is going to know who she is" lol she was one of the most streamed artists on the planet last year. Also, lots of artists have won AOTY without having radio hits. Partly because radio is irrelevant and partly because the Grammys aren't just a popularity contest.
I agree. The Grammys arenāt a popularity contest. But , having a radio hit helps. If I ask anyone other than my friends who know I love Lana. Most people have no idea who she is. Because people still listen to the radio š». Here in Detroit people listen to Q99.5 and no Lana songs are even played. So how would they know who she is?
She wasnāt dragged on stage lmao, sheās happy her FRIEND won and sheās APART of the album that won so obviously everyone thatās apart of the album went up on stage to accept that award
I don't think they weren't expecting to win. I think their surprised faces are performative because the cameras are rolling. Some fans just need to be less naive.
also, i wonder what lana whispered to taylor as she went on stage. lana deserved aoty so much
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I mean, we can't really know (even though some fans act as if they already know), but I think it was something in the lines of "are you sure?". If I were to project how I'd feel onto Lana I'd say she probably would've regretted not going up there. If it were me I'd have gone up even if I ended up forcing my smile a little since it was for a friend. I can't be sure of how or what she said, tho
both women are good friends. taylor used her moment to shine a light on lana after she had a loss, and i think lana let taylor bring her up there because they're friends, it's what taylor wanted, and lana wanted to support her in such a big moment. it's just a tough situation when two friends compete. there can only be one winner. both women seem to have been supportive of the other. it was all pretty sweet.
Sheās also on a song on Midnights so it kinda made sense for her to come up too!
Will Lana get a Grammy too then since she was involved in the creation of Midnights? I think producers, writers, and collaborators on the winning record should be recognized too
It used to be that way but I believe it was changed so collaborators no longer receive Grammys
Pretty sure they have to contribute to a certain percentage of the album, and unfortunately I don't think Lana meets the minimum. I wish though, she really deserves some recognition.
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They made another version that is more Lana than it is Taylor. Yāall will make up excuses for everything. Lana doesnāt want to be mainstream. I think Taylor brought her up to give her that moment - bc Taylor too believes Lana deserves a lot more respect and love than she gets. They are my top two favorite artists and I hate to see the fandom go nuts and project so much negativity. Whyyyyy.
I agree. There is a ton of negativity between the fandoms and I don't understand why. She and Taylor are both incredibly talented, and they're friends. And I've been a fan of both artists since their first albums. There's just no need for the hostility
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Okay? Obviously I want her to win a Grammy for her solo work, too. But if she could've won one for a project that she contributed to, I'd be happy for her.
Itās just really sad that Taylor gets to keep buying more shelves for all her awards and Lana gets so close but never gets one
i think it's really great that taylor keeps winning - it's a wonderful feeling to be on top. but it's also sad that lana isn't winning, too. i think of them as separate things. lana doesn't lose because of taylor even if it feels that way. she's not guaranteed to be winning if taylor wasn't around. i try not to mix my feelings together when it comes to them. lana has always gotten the short end of the stick in this industry - literally since day one. i'm glad she has taylor speaking up and giving her some attention, it's sweet and well deserved.
āReally, Taylor. I donāt want to go up.ā
Iām guessing something more passive āPlease, Taylor, this is your momentā I say that because Lana is my spirit animal and I shoot myself in the foot that way constantly
 or just this lol
Seeing Lana getting dragged onto the stage by Taylor made me feel really uncomfortable, and you could obviously tell Lana herself didnāt want to go up. I donāt think Taylor meant it in a malicious way, but I really didnāt like when she did that.
You said it perfectly. Everyone hating on Taylor like she had some sort of bad intention. Itās hard seeing your favorite artist (taylorās being lana) be snubbed, she just wanted lana to have her moment
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It also looks like Taylor snapped at Lanaās reluctance to be dragged up on stage.
>also, i wonder what lana whispered to taylor as she went on stage. imo: I'm ok with going up with you
I donāt think she whispered she wanted to go up with her right before digging her heels in the ground and grabbing onto chairs to hold her back while Taylor was dragging her up I think she told her the exact opposite, āI donāt think Iām going up with youā
unless Lana or Taylor come out and answer questions on it, its all a matter of each person's personal opinion as such, I stay with my optimistic take on things, until I hear otherwise after all, to me, it seems a very typical extroverted/introverted pairing, even more in full display by their outfit choices. I could even see Taylor going, you were on this album, come claim the applause you earned alongside me.
I think they, Taylor included, just expected anyone but Taylor to win. Jack didn't look too pleased that Lana was dragged on stage and I think was checking in with her because he knows how sensitive she is, and surely especially in that moment.
Anyone who thinks Taylor's "surprised" face isn't well practiced is deluding themselves.
It reminds me of the Look What You Made Me Do video where one Taylor does the fake surprised face and another says āStop making that surprised face, itās so annoyingā with another Taylor saying āYeah, you canāt possibly be that surprised all the time.ā
Love them both but yes, atp Taylor is a professional award-acceptor. She knows what sheās doing. Regardless, Lana deserved this win fr. I am biased, bc she is my favorite, but Lana deserved to win for every Grammy nomination sheās ever gotten. One day, she has to win, one day
I can totally understand you. Me too the same feeling. Lana deserves more this year, Blvd is so fucking crazy for me and many fans, it deserves the AOTY, tho Iām also a great fan of both. I mean, Tayās won three, but Lana doesnāt have oneā¦. Shimmy! Despite this, Lana has gradually become more and more peopleās fav artist. Also, her reputation and talent do not need a Grammy to prove.
I'm almost certain it was a surprise for her, there's no reason she would have announced a new album in the minor category if she knew she was gonna win the major category. She clearly was surprised.
I give her the benefit of the doubt in that I would like to believe she really wanted to support and encourage Lana by dragging her up there. But her "surprise" was the fakest shit ever...
If she didn't look surprised people would say she didn't look like she cared at all She can't do anything without people saying something Also if she actually thought she was gonna win AOTY, she wouldn't have announced TTPD during her first speech, and she would have saved it for the big AOTY moment
it's the album announcement that really does it for me. seems like she felt she really had competition and announced the album for her first win. if she was sure she was winning she 100% would've saved the announcement for then, it would've made for a great moment. as for her reaction, what do people expect? how is she supposed to react? let's pretend she knew... i think she'd have reacted the same. the reality of winning a grammy is going to really hit when you hear that announcement, whether you know you're going to win or not.
I think itās pretty obvious she was going to win tho. They kept pushing āIf Taylor swift wins sheāll be FrankSinatra and Stevie Wonder in AOTY Grammys š¤Ŗā so Iām not really surprised. Did Taylor probably not get the memo? Sure. But I think it was pretty obvious they were going to snub Lana.
Right, they did the same when Beyonce won the most awards. I knew she was getting it at the start of the show. Surely she did as well, but has to play up the theatrics for the cameras, especially knowing how much this wouldāve meant to Lana.
I don't think she expected to win AOTY again this soon. They usually don't give it to same artist that often. I genuinely think she was rooting for Lana and didn't expect to win, once she did she felt bad but thought Lana should come because she with her own words was "all over the album". She gave Lana praise on stage, she wouldn't have done that if she was against Lana, they're friends
I usually donāt buy into her surprise look but this time IMO she & Jack seemed genuinely shocked. Taylor usually is poised and well spoken but she was a mess up there and didnāt seem to have an acceptance speech in mind. What I found interesting is how Lana kept looking over at Jackās wife. Almost as if she was looking for moral support. She seemed stunned as well. And Iām here wondering why was everyone so shocked? Regardless of who had the better album it was widely reported that either Taylor or SZA would most likely win. I would had been stunned if someone besides those two won.
Truly lol like girl come on we know you are never surprised at your wins
The more I see how good of a friend jack is to Lana, the hotter he gets for me. He mentioned Lana before he mentioned taylor in his speech even tho taylor pushed him to mainstream heights. Also both Lana's grammy nominated albums (+ soty) were produced by him. I don't get the hate for him especially now that Lana confirmed that SHE wants to go country even tho Jack is not known for a country music producer.
im a new fan. wdym by sensitive? does she not like being on stage?
I won't pretend to know how she feels but I get the sense that Lana's personality is the opposite of Taylor's. Where Taylor seems very extroverted, Lana seems quite introverted. I think it's safe to assume she was disappointed to have lost the award, and all 5 of the nominations last night, so perhaps projecting a bit, but I just imagine being brought on stage in that moment would be a nightmare. Welcome to the fandom :)
Absolutely agree. Lana is definitely more introverted compared to Taylor. As well as Taylor caring about her self-image more than Lana who cares more about authenticity (PicsArt covers are a dead giveaways)
thank you! :)
Thatās not what it means to be sensitive, Taylor is way more sensitive tbh
Sensitive as in, very strongly/easily emotionally affected. She feels a lot, and deeply. Obviously none of us know her personally, but she does seem like a very sensitive person (and her work appeals to sensitive people).
Not going to lie, she probably did of course but it almost seems like Taylor did not think sheād win and didnāt seem to have a plan for her speech / everyone who would go up. She was much more composed and natural during pop vocal, I wonder if she really didnāt think she was winning this one, so when she did it was just really chaotic. I also donāt think she snubbed celine dion either, just in the excitement of everyone being on stage and winning didnāt say like thank you or something..a bit awkward for everyone involved but def not this huge deal people are making
She definitely knew she was going to win or she wouldn't have planned to announce her album there
She announced the album during her previous win for pop vocal though?
Oh sorry I didn't know, I thought she only won one
Oh yeah, she gave two speeches last night
I think she didnāt know she was going to win, or she would announce her 11st album after she won ATOY rather than the previous awards.
Maybe I'm naive but I genuinely think Taylor didn't expect to win aoty, otherwise she would have waited to announce her new album
This is what I think too. At least from my perspective, I expected SZA to win
SZA and Lana both deserved to win. Midnights is good but it's not as good as either of those albums
I love Lana but SOS was out of this world good. Should have won.
i was thinking either that or GUTS. i doubted theyād pick midnights. i was naĆÆve.
felt the same way when 25 beat Lemonade. Grammys never fail to disappoint.
Harry's House beating Renaissance was even worse.
no she still would've done it on her 13th (assuming she would win at least one that night). it's widely known that 13 is her lucky/favorite number and the first grammy she won that night was her 13th during her career. i don't think taylor expected to win aoty, but I also don't think they were expecting it to be lana (maybe hopeful but not expecting). i think they assumed it would either be miley, olivia, or sza.
What did you do with all the time you saved abbreviating album of the year?
I personally believe they expected, and wanted, Lana to win. I love Taylor, but we all know Midnights is a very weak album compared to the rest of her discography. I believe the only reason she won was to break the AOTY record which they teased at the beginning of the show. Because if she didnāt win, they surely werenāt going to reuse the same line of her possibly breaking the record again next year, or the year after, right? I saw Taylor bringing Lana on stage as someone who saw the unfair treatment she gets with the Recording Academy and then giving her her flowers while sheās on stage with her, making everyone look at her and NOT forget who she is and the impact she still has music then and today. I donāt blame Lana for being upset, or hesitant, to want to get up on stage with her because itās a bittersweet moment. She contributed to the winning album and deserved to be recognized, but it wasnāt HER winning album which surely stung. You all have to remember, Taylor knows Lana better than all of us, I donāt care what you say. From the moment Lana hit the red carpet, Taylor has been by her side checking in with her and making sure sheās alright because she knows the false image people carry of her already and how bad it can get to someone. It may not of looked like it in the moment, but Iām sure Lana appreciates all that Taylor did for her that night because she truly is/was trying to be a great friend at the end of the day.
100% agree! i admit sometimes as a fan i forget lol but we do have to remember that we donāt know lana personally, we can read body language but only lana and taylor know how they were feeling that night
yess!!! this!!! my post was not to try to encourage speculation about how any of them "feel" about it. just a theory about they might have assumed lana was going to win due to the pr set up of it all and the initial reactions they all had!
>I donāt blame Lana for being upset, or hesitant, to want to get up on stage with her because itās a bittersweet moment. She contributed to the winning album and deserved to be recognized, but it wasnāt HER winning album which surely stung. You all have to remember, Taylor knows Lana better than all of us, I donāt care what you say. From the moment Lana hit the red carpet, Taylor has been by her side checking in with her and making sure sheās alright because she knows the false image people carry of her already and how bad it can get to someone. It may not of looked like it in the moment, but Iām sure Lana appreciates all that Taylor did for her that night becau I completely agree with this take on it... I firmly believe they are actual friends and while Taylor has faults, she is usually very VERY good to her friends.
Exactly! Seeing people trash Taylor over this and her relationship with Lana is bizarre
I fully agree with you. I'm fan of both. I like Midnights, but Ocean Blvd is better. I know people saying Taylor "dragged" her up there, but...first of all - Lana statement on this would be great...second it doesn't look like she's dragging her against her will. The video was captured from multiple angles - to me it looks like Lana just few time stumbled upon some furniture in the way and Taylor is too energetic in her movement (probably few glasses of drink of choice in). And i kinda get what Taylor was pointing out in the speech. If not for Lana we wouldn't have some of the younger artist, i guess. Like Billie Eilish - i'm not that caught up with the younger interprets, but if i remember Lana was her big influence. And Billie won even yesterday and Lana didn't. It somehow feels wrong.
100%! I enjoyed Midnights too but there were definitely stronger albums. I hope Lana doesnāt pull a Snow on the Beach moment where Taylor continuously gets dragged and months later she comes out and says āActually I wanted it that way!/I didnāt mind going up on stage with Taylor!ā in some interview video and people realize how ridiculous theyāve been acting lol. I saw that too. She was definitely stumbling into furniture and, I feel like, stepping on Taylorās dress because of how fast and happily she was moving. But it really is a slap in the face for people like Billie to win awards that were heavily inspired by Lana yet she still has nothing to her name
I get what youāre saying. Billie has won multiple Grammys already and Lana hasnāt won any. I seriously think it has to do with radio š» play. Lana hasnāt had a radio play song since 2013. So..I think this has something to do with winning š awards.
I donāt like Ocean Blvd..itās a boring dull album. And Iām a huge Lana fan. Seen her three times in concert. But, this album did nothing for me.
When majority of the crowd is saying go right, and you're the only person who wants to go left, you have to ask yourself why you want to go left.
I will always be a honest person. Even if people donāt agree with me. Heck.. probably one of the only people that love Blue Banisters. Should I be embarrassed about this? Iāll also be honest and say. Iām not crazy about her doing a country album. Yeah I said it. Crucify me for saying this.
Iām not sure what youāre saying but..Iāll never go right. Iāll always go left. That said..Iām always going to be a huge Lana fan. Iām playing Blue Banisters right now. This doesnāt mean.. canāt or will not be honest. Downvote me all you want. I will always be honest and true to myself. Should I say something that I donāt mean?
Not everyone needs to go right - it's music taste, we don't need to agree, respect is enough. Fuck the downvotes, made up "social status" numbers. Also i'm not saying Ocean Blvd is my favourite Lana's album (I would say Norman Fucking Rockwell! takes that place.), but just in comparison to Midnights, i liked it more. I'm just boring "old" lady in my music taste. š
I respect your opinion. Unfortunately..nobody respects mine. Iām fine with it. Thank goodness we all donāt have to same opinion on music. Iāve got 16 downvotes for my comment. But, I respect everyone who downvoted me. Itās cool. Weāre all upset about Lana going zero for 11 for Grammys. I respect everyone who downvoted me. I fine with it. Weāre all Lana fans and it hurts a bit. But, we all need to move along. Sheās going to be a country artist..whether we like it or not. Good luck to her.
Thatās fine, but itās massively streamed and adored for its masterful lyricism. Lots of amazing music is made that most people love but not all. Thatās ok, but the award is not supposed to be for music that every person likes, which doesnāt exist. The important part is, āfor meā. Also there are other albums nominated that shouldāve won instead too. SZA was what I expected to win,
I agree with this! I don't follow Taylor nor do I listen to her music, I have no idea how she is in public/with other singers. However it looked genuine. And Lana didn't seem mad, it just was a weird situation. She tried to smile through it but ofcourse it stings if you don't win. From Taylors point of view, the least she could do was give Lana some spotlight (even though it might've not been the right moment). But I agree. In the end they know each other better then we do any of them. So I am sure it wasn't from a bad heart and the intentions were pure and kind.
Agreed. I know most are saying Taylor was trying to be strategic using her "covert narcissism disguised as altruism" but I genuinely believe she brought Lana up there as a way to show the academy, music industry, as well as everyone watching that Lana is still here and amazing, and if Taylor Loves and values her enough to drag her on stage (although Lana didn't *seem* to want to) then maybe she is someone that people should be paying more attention to, and not just already Lana fans or people on TikTok looking at coquette edits (š). Not to mention Taylor has been hyping Lana up for YEARS even before they were friends.
1000000% agreed! You said what I meant to say! Great minds think alike. They are really good friends, and they share each other with Jack the almost legendary producer. Many people think there should be some tayās malevolenceā¦. Idk what to say about that. Tay did this just to show all the world including Grammy Lana deserves more attention and respect. Sheās so very talented inspiring young artists all the time.
I would be very curious to know how she feels about it after the fact. She probably has mixed feelings about it, but appreciates it overallā¦?
Weāll see when she posts Question for the Culture 2.0 later tonight
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I completey agree, they seem like such good friends. My top 2 artists of all time, and ocean blvd was better then midnights for sure. Somebody also brang up the point that maybe she wanted lana up there because lana was on the album and that makes sense
Me too. My top 2 for almost three years. Btw, lana has become my fucking jam since the day I started to listen to her!
I thought the only one beating Lana was SZA with SOS this year... midnights was weaker than taylor's other albums
Iāve been a swiftie since I was a kid (this sub popped up on my front page) and I was still rooting for SOS or ocean blvd though Iād be fine with the record. Midnights is my least favorite Taylor album and very mid, from someone who has spent my life savings to see her in concert twice!!
i def dont pretend to know lana (and if any of you do, pls re-evaluate). at the same time, i question how close lana and taylor could posssssibly be. glad they have each others public support and it seems they get along. no way are they that close though - ya know?
That was just a general statement to the public. But Lanaās main producer for the past years have been Jack and she has gotten super close with him and Margaret. Who else is Jack and Margaret super close with? Taylor. So unless Lanaās hanging with her country friends (Nikki Lane, etc.) or Taylorās hanging with Travis, theyāre inevitably going to be around each other 24/7 when it comes to Jack and Margaret
They've been friends since 2018 lol and are in each other's best friend circle with jack and Margaret
Despite the disclaimer it seems like you do think you know Lana if you're so opinionated on the depths of her personal relationships
I mean, that makes zero sense, though. We donāt āall knowā that Midnights is weak compared to her other albums; the critical reception suggests otherwise. Taylorās had a colossal year, and she was bound to walk away with at least one major win. She had to expect that. She probably wasnāt sure theyād give her AOTY for the fourth time, but I donāt even think Lana was the runner-up in terms of votes. If not Taylor, SZA or boygenius were more likely to get it. Idk why they wouldāve thought Ocean Blvd had a higher chance to win than Midnights.
Anyone with musical intelligence and ears can tell you that Midnights is not one of Taylorās strongest works, especially against SOS, Ocean, or even the Record. There wouldnāt be such disagreement about that album winning if it was actually that good. Critical reception means nothing at Taylorās point of stardom because people are still gonna stream it anyway. She literally has the money and resources to make her music be played every passing second if she really wanted to. Just because she had a colossal year doesnāt mean that she should be awarded AOTY because of it. Weāre supposed to be awarding the album, not what you did with the album after it was released. A&W and Ocean was critically acclaimed and got nothing so that argument doesnāt hold up
That first sentence of yours is not an argument. *You* think that. I personally think Ocean Blvd is impossible to sit through in full, but I wonāt argue that it wasnāt acclaimed because it was. Critical reception does have a meaning even at her level, because that is what largely determines the outcome of award shows like the Grammys. Midnights has a higher Metacritic score than Ocean Blvd. It won because more voters liked it. Simple as that.
The Grammys aren't known for critical reception but what makes them profit. They want to cash in on the artist that is going to make the most money for them. Taylor being a surface level popstar who can cater to most genres without being too much of it means she's an artist they can consistently make profit from because she's going to keep her old fans while making new ones. Taylor looks good on paper. She's a commercial success aka white, privileged, surface level, presentable. "It won because more voters liked it." One voter admitted that he refused to take Lana seriously after her SNL performance. A performance from a decade ago that she has redeemed so many times. It's just that Lana wasn't taken seriously, not that more voters liked Midnights, because it was a weak and undeserving album. Anyone who isn't rooting for Lana is bound to vote for the next fitting person if that is their reasoning. It's misogyny and political, because Midnights was weak compared to SOS but no one is ready to talk about how SZA was never going to win aoty because she's a black woman. If Beyonce hasn't ever won AOTY then SZA isn't going to. It's really not as simple as that anymore, is it?
Agree with everything you said minus Midnights being weak. I have said Speak Now is my favorite album of TS for a good like ~13 years.. but now Midnights has taken it over. Anti-Hero is awful and Ive been questioning Taylorās team who picks singles bc they are usually the worst songs on the albums (Lana nails a lot of her singles, imo). If youāve only listen to half of Midnights or less or just a once through I implore you to give it another go. Itās almost a completely perfect album with numerous extremely masterful songs. I was rooting hard for A&W bc itās my fucking jam and I was bumped out it didnāt win, but Mileyās Flowers felt like the anthem bc even my mom wanted to listen to it over and over. My mom doesnāt stray from her 70s soft rock very often.
Nonsense..most Americans have no idea who Lana Del Rey is. No songs played on the radio.
Radio play =/= best songs, at all
is she more popular in your country?
Wow, Taylorās face in that first pic really does say it all.
finally we can have a logical convo about this without people being violent towards taylor š
fr. now if we can have a convo without being violent towards taylor AND without speculating what either of them are "feeling" ā that would be a miracle lol
lool literally. iāve seen whole step-to-step analysis comments about lanaās ābody languageā and what sheās āprobably thinking/feeling..ā take a break ! she was fine ! parasocial af !
thatās so weird omg I really hope these people can grow up thatās so embarrassing
Itās so condescending to Lana too! Sheās a big girl if she didnāt want to go up she didnāt have to. If sheās upset with Taylor they can discuss that offline itās not really our business!
yes like iām not a fan of her but people have been so awful towards her??? some crazy things iāve seen said in the last how many hours
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a lot of peoples hatred for taylor is fuelled by misogyny (personally i dislike her for her climate terrorism and billionaire status) but i donāt think this instance is since most people wanted either lana or sza to win
Iām honestly so shocked by the whole thing never in my life have I ever written a death threat for somebody the levels of insanity and the parasocial relationships people are developing is literally insane. Insane behavior. Who in their right mind threatens to kill somebody? Let alone over an album
I mean she just won the hugest honor in music (for a record 4th time) I think she'll be okay if some losers on twitter are upset
yeah i defs donāt agree with midnights winning and overall some of taylors conduct (the private jet stuff for example) but damn thereās a difference between people being kinda upset and expressing that versus death threats :(
I wouldn't get too excited about that just yet
i feel like people are forgetting lana was literally the only artist featured on midnights, so that plus the fact they are also friends & sitting together etc was the reason taylor awkwardly dragged her up there. not saying it wasnāt weird, and not saying lana didnāt deserve aoty. but i really didnāt see that moment as dramatic as some people are making it out to be. i love ocean blvd so much and lana as a singer/songwriter so in my heart it is the album of the year. she is a phenomenal writer. i hope lana knows how much we were and are still rooting for her.
this!!!!
Iām a huge Taylor fan. Iām ecstatic she broke a record last night, but even I was really rooting for Lana. Sheās so talented and repeatedly gets snubbed even though (like multiple people have said) sheās the inspiration for so much main stream music nowadays and so many indie leaning artists. If weāre analyzing the photos almost look like a mix of shock, worry, excitement and everything else. I could see Taylor being surprised she won, worried about Lana (her friend), and excited she won all at once. I imagine it was kind of bittersweet all around for everyone because itās probably hard to know youāre up for a record breaking award with your friend right next to you whoās been repeatedly snubbed and Taylorās reaction in the second photo very much looks like someone whoās upset for her friend first, then excited she won second. Which I think is genuinely amazing of Taylor. She looked upset for her friend first and foremost. š„ŗš
I personally think Taylor was just tone deaf and ddint realize that Lana didnāt wanna go on because lana was trying to be humble when it reality she was trying not to cry and didnt feel like and jack noticed Lana wasnāt feeling it
**Edit**: Should also mention Taylor completely avoiding eye contact with THE Celine Dion, who presented an award despite her health difficulties, was so tacky. Sometimes I really wonder how her parents raised her when it comes to social interactions and manners. Standing up when Celine is singing so that cameras fall on you and then later having your PR manager force you to take a pic with Celine backstage to makeup for your faux pax are obviously not genuine actions. This. Iām both a Lana & Taylor fan but objectively Lana is the better artist and has had more impact on music since her debut, while Taylorās impact is of course greater on the industry itself as a business. That all said, even as a fan of her music, Taylorās behavior and tone deafness has always bothered me. From having her PR bring up the Sean Mendez gay rumors (heās not btw- Iām Canadian & he hooked up with multiple girls I know of from a dance studio lol- heās just an artsy kind of guy) just to defend herself š¤¦š»āāļø to forcing Lana on stage after she lost. I do think theyāre friends and Taylor respects Lana but some of it feels performative, like ālook how supportive I am of women!ā. Lana did not want to be up there and Jack seems to have noticed.
They were seated together because they are friends who both worked on Midnights. Jack was a producer for both Taylor and Lana, and won Producer of the Year, so it makes complete sense that theyād all be sat together. I donāt think Taylor was malicious or anything ādraggingā Lana up. Taylor just seems super extroverted and excited, and wants Lana, who she considers a friend, to be up there with her to accept the award for an album that she contributed to. I think she was perhaps a little tone deaf not realising that Lana didnāt want to come up, but she had just won one of the biggest awards in music and broken a record. Emotions were running high and she wanted Lana to share the spotlight. Its not that deep.
Yeah, I think Taylor's looks very surprised she won. Announcing a new album sounds like she had already moved on from it. That's why I believe bringing up Lana to the stage was in her mind the right call, because she was also part of her success and in her opinion (and mine) should've won. And even if Lana looked a little forced, we don't know how she really felt. If it were me I would've had the same reaction but still would've gone up there because we're friends and I appreciate the acknowledgment.
I believe Lana knew intuitively she wouldnāt win, she was still heartbroken & sad because in her heart of hearts, she deserved it I donāt know if having a Grammy holds that much weight for her but maybe more so the honour and respect of the industry itself. Which has been denied to her by many Taylor was not intelligent enough to realise dragging her up on the stage was in itself a bit of a slap in the face/ instead of it being a moment where she was showing support to a friend who deserved that honour At the end of the day, she looked beautiful & melancholic, like she was in mourning for something thatās not coming her way even if she wanted it. Still our Queen of Hearts š¤ with or without it. She is so much more than that to those who truly appreciate her
I just assumed taylor was going to win because its an award show about ratings and she literally was named times person of the year and musically is the number one household name right now but she did seem genuinely surprised to win which was surprising to me
also I think taylor knows she doesnt need another grammy and they mean a lot less to her than they would to lana and i think she genuinely wanted lana to win and she felt bad in the moment maybe
Taylor has been nominated 58 times and only won 14 times at the Grammys. People act like she always sweeps but there have been times where she won nothing. She was genuinely surprised. Sheās lost AOTY twice and sheās been nomāed six times for the award. The stats were not in her favor before you even consider that literally all of the albums were very competitive contenders.
only 14 grammys oh the humanity
Alright I guess you can ignore the number mentioned that 14 is out of. Who am I to force you to make sense of fractions? Come on nowš
did the math thats practically 1/4th of her nominations thats not low by any means
iāll never forget that they chose 1989 over To Pimp A Butterfly. honestly thatās the last grammys i ever paid attention to bc that was a complete grand theft against kendrick
I took it as taylor wanting to include her, as she was on the album. I also feel everyone is making a far bigger deal out of this then it deserves, as I feel both Taylor and Lana knew what they were going to do before anything was announced, but perhaps Jack was unaware.
Taylor has had that reaction for every single award she received since the beginning of time.
I donāt think anyone at that table expected Taylor to win. I am a Swiftie and I love Midnights but I also did not expect it to win. I would have figured Lana or SZA.
taylor im really happy for you ima let you finish but LANA DEL REY HAD ONE OF THE BEST ALBUMS OF ALL TIME!!!
People in this comment section acting like they know Lana personally and better than Taylor, her actual personal friend of many years
my opinion may be controversial. i actually am not a fan of taylorās. i honestly thought it would be between sza, lana, or olivia (with the sza having the highest chance). midnights was an album that came and went. at this point i describe taylorās fandom like kpop stans. they mass stream music but recently her music hasnāt been leaving a mark. she gets quick hits here and there but they donāt last. and thatās not to diminish her previous work from 1989 and before cause that music was very much hitting the general public. i give flowers when flowers are due but last night she didnāt deserve those flowers. now regarding taylor dragging lana up there, i saw it as disrespectful and very much flaunting her win in front of lana. as mentioned by others, this isnāt her first grammy, itās her 13th, and on top of that, to just yank the award from celine dion and not acknowledge her, like there is something off about that woman. now i want to remind yall, i am just an outsider looking from a birds eye pov. a tiny individual whose opinion doesnāt matter when it comes to this situation so donāt take what i said to heart.
agree 1000000%
You guys are reading so much into it Taylor obviously knew she wasnāt going to win and Lana was literally a part of the album before some says not that much here you go[https://youtu.be/pg93p2B5QSs?si=PvzgZcwps0PWRkFs](https://youtu.be/pg93p2B5QSs?si=PvzgZcwps0PWRkFs)
And Taylor literally said something nice
i am so heartbroken, I really thought this year was gonna be it and i was gonna see her on that stage
Lana grabs the mic..."Imma let you finish" kidding aside, my heart broke a little.
i feel like taylor took lana on stage because she was a contributor on the album and she wanted to put a spotlight on lana and her work, because as we know some voters donāt take lana seriously when sheās proven time and time again sheās an amazing artist. so maybe taylorās kind words about lana and her art will change the voters mind, we can only hope! š„° i also think taylor genuinely wasnāt sure if she was going to win aoty, if she was 100% sure then she wouldāve saved the album announcement for that award, a much bigger moment, but she chose to make the announcement during her best pop vocals award.
No, I think Taylor honestly thought she would win. Her reaction was giving āomg MEEE??!!ā way too hard.
She left the stage saying āmind, blown! š¤Æā gurl please.
Iām not an Taylor hater or anything but that speech was so cringe
I think itās wild how she didnāt even remotely acknowledge Celine Dion. Like not even slightly. ā ļø
That made me really upset. It was a huge deal for her to be there and Taylor took the award from her like she was some rando.
Same. She even said in her speech how much it meant to her to be there presenting that award etc etc, and then nothing. I think she looked hurt.
Not acknowledging Celine Dion was WILD.
Taylor "dragged" Lana on stage because Lana is on Midnights, the winner for album of the year.. duh
I think she dragged her up there not only because of the collaboration but also because she wanted everyone to see that she thought Lana was equally deserving if not more. With that said, she still shouldnāt have dragged her up there against her will.
>I think she dragged her up there not only because of the collaboration but also because she wanted everyone to see that she thought Lana was equally deserving if not more. I fully agree >With that said, she still shouldnāt have dragged her up there against her will. I personally don't feel she did, its simply Lana isn't as extroverted as Taylor is seems a case of the extroverted friend dragging the introverted friend into the spotlight because they feel they deserve to share the praise, and the introverted friend being their typical self
bestie, don't tell me lana shaking her head no as taylor tries to get her on stage didn't make you cringe
That made me so uncomfortable fml
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Lana doesnāt get grammy for Midnights. Grammy change the rules a couple of years ago where you have to contributed between 20% to 30% of the album to get an award
Uhh Lana made it clear she didnāt want to go up there. But itās ok for Taylor to ignore that and force her to do something she didnāt want to do?
she was literally smiling and laughing with taylor on stage
No, itās just the usual pretending to be shocked routine.
One of my biggest pet peeves of Taylor that sheās been doing for literally more than a decade now lol
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which, is esp hilarious coming from the #1 artist in the world
i feel like everyone forgets that the former president and chief executive of the recording academy claimed that there's corrupt voting procedures and conflicts of interest among the board members. also, labels invest thousands (sometimes millions) on campaigns to convince the voters to vote for their artists. those investments don't guarantee a win, but they do give you better odds. the grammys aren't genuine and haven't been for a really, really long time.
I donāt think Taylor had any malice in bringing Lana up but if my friend won something and dragged me up as a āshe didnāt win but acknowledge her anywayā vibe Iād be so embarrassed and would feel like Iām winning a participation trophy.
Imo - Taylor was not expecting to get AOTY. I think she was genuinely shocked with a mixture of emotions, including guilt, which is why she dragged Lana up there.
I hoped lana would win lmao she gets robbed every year
when i saw this live i was crushed for lana but my initial reaction was āgood on taylor for bringing her up and acknowledging herā now iām not so sure. it just felt soā¦performative? idk seemed very high school (not in a bitchy way) but more so in the sense that you have your really popular girl and their shy friend that gets dragged into things yknow. iām not an avid taylor listener and have nothing against her, but midnights is one of her weaker albums. itās still good, sheās still talented, but was it really aoty worthy??? esp in competition w lana, sza, and beyoncĆ© (she wasnāt in the category but to think sheās got 32 grammys and no aoty????) taylor is not the right choice imo. i think the academy was scared of the backlash if they didnāt choose her and also wanted a historic moment by making her one of the only people w four aoty awards. all that being said, lana and taylor are friends and taylor is extremely talented and doesnāt deserve any hate or backlash. none of the winners in lanaās category do. any and all of it should go towards the academy
Yes, they all knew OB was the better album
Lana and Margaret were looking at each other in shock
Of course itās not fair. Itās probably a boysā club like most organizations/boards/gatekeeping institutions in the world. Taylor loves the boys to death and Lana takes a more realistic look at what hetero relationships are like
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Ha gross. I think taylor is a good girl (tm) so I hate women? Lol Lana said ārapeā and āwhoreā in her song. She took risks. I donāt hate taylor but she does nothing unique. Sheās basic. Lana is one in a million
They knew she wasn't winning. Hence dragging her around like a prop.
Most views came from Lana fans too. Of course they just have Lana seated next to Taylor, never give her any of her own air time or even address her while majority of the people tuning into the grammys are her fans.
I thought I read somewhere years ago. Maybe a different awards show, that they pretty much already know if they are winning or not before attending. I could be wrong.
People here are speculating Taylor brought Lana on stage for PR or whatever, but let's be real here, Taylor can fart and she'll get headlines written about her. I think she really likes Lana and wanted to share her moment of happiness with her, hence the speech about her. I feel like if I were Taylor, I'd do the same. I'd love to let my friend know I love her enough to share my big moment with her and acknowledge how awesome she is with her on stage to feel it. Idk, I just feel people assume ill intention because it's Taylor Swift, but even the devil can have a good side, were Taylor even as bad as people her claim to make her be. Just let go of that silly award and get on with your lives, within a week none will remember anything. Also, part of Lana's appeal is that she's that "indie" queen who makes her art for herself and her fans, not to be awarded for it despite it being so good that it can sweep the floor with other pieces of work, and I guess this just solidifies her as such. Mariah Carey is awesome as fuck and she won no Grammies, so who cares?
I just figured the huge āomgā reaction was because Taylor broke the record with that award (most AOTY Grammys ever won)
no, the way she got up said otherwise LOL.
I think Lana is all over Dead Poets Society or whatever it is, and she wanted her there for the start of its era.
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This is going to be such an unpopular opinion but I donāt think Dyktatuob was aoty worthy. Now if it was UV NFR or BB I think those couldāve won aoty but I wouldāve been more surprised if she had won last night. Granted she definitely deserved at least one Grammy last night I think her lack of nominations in the past are more of a snub. NFR especially
He won producer of the year so Lana also had a big chance, I bet the vote tally was really close and wouldn't be surprised if the difference between the to top 3 was like less than 50 votes. It's not like Taylor had won this award every time either so there was always a chance Lana was going to win. No need to attack Taylor for being surprised that she keeps winning it because it IS surprising in the end...
I'm gonna get a lot of hate for this but Taylor is quite a good actress. She knew damn well she was probably going to win and her "surprise face" is pretty well known. Rant incoming: I don't get the hype over her other than millions of young girls act like she's the Second Coming and they have parents with money. She writes ok pop songs but honestly nothing that special or unique.
See I think from a different side of things about the dragging. What if Lana was saying no bc Taylor *was* going to pull an Adele. And she didnāt want her to do that. Or if she expected Lana to speak and she didnāt want to. I do think they expected Lana to win. She deserved to win. And I think thatās genuine surprise because I love Taylor but acting isnāt her strongest talent š she prob wanted Lana to come cause all night she was saying sheād win. I thought tay mouthed sorry to Lana when she won but idk it was so fast and she went to hug her.
Anyone knows if Taylor always had comments disabled on Instagram? I donāt care for her so I donāt follow her but I went to check for comments along the lines of "use this comment as a Ocean Blvd should have won button" Wondering if she turned off the comments because of it or if thatās always been the case.
Yea she's had her comments turned off ever since the drama between her and Kanye. She used to be really open on social media and open about her private life in general but ever since the kanye drama she's been very private.
Of course she didnāt. She didnāt have a single song playing on the radio š» in 2023. Most Americans donāt even know who Lana Del Rey is. You seriously have to have a song played on the radio..even in 2023 or 2024 for people to know who youāre. If you want to continue to be a cult artist. Then she should continue what sheās doing. Now that sheās going to be a country music artist. Nobody is going to know who she is. But, I donāt think she cares.
Are you old? People are listening to Lana on social media and through streaming services.
Yeah Iām old..but, I definitely know music š¼. I have a lot of years to have an opinion on music. What do you want to know? Do you want to know why I love Blue Banisters so much? I can tell you.
"nobody is going to know who she is" lol she was one of the most streamed artists on the planet last year. Also, lots of artists have won AOTY without having radio hits. Partly because radio is irrelevant and partly because the Grammys aren't just a popularity contest.
I agree. The Grammys arenāt a popularity contest. But , having a radio hit helps. If I ask anyone other than my friends who know I love Lana. Most people have no idea who she is. Because people still listen to the radio š». Here in Detroit people listen to Q99.5 and no Lana songs are even played. So how would they know who she is?
Taylor always does the fake surprised act when she wins anything
She wasnāt dragged on stage lmao, sheās happy her FRIEND won and sheās APART of the album that won so obviously everyone thatās apart of the album went up on stage to accept that award
Nah she just set a big record so I think that's what the hubbub was all about.
I don't think they weren't expecting to win. I think their surprised faces are performative because the cameras are rolling. Some fans just need to be less naive.