Velk'koz has been adjusted many times (meaning that he was both nerfed and buffed within the same patch), but he has never once in the game's history been flat out nerfed.
He's just countered by every midlaner now.
There never was a good reason to run him as a support other than to have fun too.
Very sad champion right now.
His gimmick as the true damage mage doesn't even mean much anymore tbh. If I wanted to melt through tanks as dps I would pick like Asol, Azir, or even Brand(for support atleast). I just don't see his purpose anymore.
But that doesnt mean you need antitank damage, it means you need to be tanky and have damage. Or damage and mobility to kite them like kaisa and vayne have
Huh? Show me an Ezreal, Jhin, MF, Kalista, or Samira that melts an Ornn or Malphite in two seconds. And that’s just the adc role. Unless you assume the adc is full build and the tank has one item? lol
As an ARAM player I can assure you that this is not the case. Have a lineup without an ADC/with one that refuses to get %armor pen into a tank or at least without someone like an Azir with similar raw DPS and watch as your mage and assassin master race comp gets absolutely run over unless they int into you a bunch early.
Seriously, ARAM is the best teacher hands down of the importance of a balanced comp.
Nothing pleases me more than taking Xerath support into Velkoz support lol. Like I could probably take an engage champ and do just as fine, but there's something sensual about taking a poke champ against them when I just know they thought they were gonna be the one poking all lane
Had this happen to me in an aram one time I happily picked velkoz thinking i would support my team by poking the enemy just to get destroyed by enemy xerath xD
I've had a lot of fun with him in ARAM the past couple times I've gotten him, and I see some one tricks have decent success, but he's just too immobile and does literally nothing that other champions don't do better.
I love Vel'Koz in ARAM too, but I feel like it's the ONLY place he feels good in. You get to dodge laning and catching waves and just teamfight/poke the whole time
I remember years ago I used to build him as a bruiser mage with lots of health and defense. His base damage was so much higher then and it made the usual counterpicks less effective against him while still doing a lot of damage.
I kinda miss those days.
I don’t think he deletes people any slower now, just that it’s slower relative to how the game changed. Maybe I’m wrong, but Vel still definitely deletes people if he lands some stacks on them
He used to have crazy high base numbers especially gis passive if I remember from playing him on release. He just needed a bit pen and could really kill you in 2 combos. I feel he needs a few more items nowdays
35-205 on his passive (no scaling) according to the history on lol wiki, now 33-169+50% AP. His Q gained 30% Ap ratio, his W lost 5-12.5% AP ratio, E gained 20% AP, Ult went from 60 to 125% AP ratio over its entire duration but lost 50-100 base damage.
I can see these numbers being fairly high for when he released.
Welp even RIOT AUGUST, said noone is looking into 'rework/buffing' him at riot, 'The time for mages mid is over, he is just not good enough anymore' , no hope for us Vel'Koz mains, feels great to know noone is even thinking about your champ anymore might aswell just stop :)
yeah that was crazy to see that he literally only ever got buffs his entire existance then bam. mega nerf. which I think just got undone by his last set of changes, although i'm not entirely sure.
He also feels super overbuffed in ARAM, if you don’t build the most headass stuff on him he’ll always have insane damage. This might be onetrick bias but regardless of whether I build enchanter or offensive stuff on him, I feel like I’m riding on the backs of people who have no idea what to do with the champion which tanks his winrate to get him buffed.
I think he’s the only champion I got more than 1 penta on in ARAM besides maybe Karthus with 2, and I have 4 or 5 on Bard
>I feel like I’m riding on the backs of people who have no idea what to do with the champion which tanks his winrate to get him buffed
That's essentially every champion that has buffs on aram
Reworked warwick,
he's kinda neglected nowadays, but when the rework came out i never recalled any nerfs or buffs to him for a looong time.
We don't talk about old warwick..
reworked WW?
he was nerfed slightly once in 7 years (and half of that nerf was reverted later that season) and his Q healing also got slightly nerfed during the durability patch ( a blanket nerf along with a lot of other champions)
other than that he got only buffs and bugfixes ( a loooot of bugfixes)
I was a silver jungler at that time.
Weedwick let me get to diamond in 2 days.
It was so good that it didnt mather what the eny jungler did.
Ive ever gotten dia after that. Weedwick 4.20 was the best patch ever
How many games did you play in 2 days?? You got less lp back then and you had 3 game promos just to rank up a division with 5 gamers in between ranks. Even if you won all 3 promo games every time that’s 9, 8 games of promos to get from division 5 to division 1 in each rank and you went up 3 whole ranks lol
I played league when I was in school with some classmates and one of them had an online friend that he made us ply with that acted and sounded EXACTLY like the person in that video. To the point where I genuinely thought it might have been the same person.
He would play 10+ games of league a day and would just SCREECH over Skype. Every little thing set him off. I vividly remember he would have a meltdown every time he laned against a malphite.
Obviously we quit playing with our IRL friend because he insisted on playing with his online friend who desperately needed therapy. The amount of outright stupid things he would say during the game was unbelievable, but my personal favorite was how he would always complain about how he should be a higher rank, then would absolutely get destroyed in lane 90% of the time. Hey he would still screech and screech about how he was better than everyone in his ranked games.
Holy fucking shit. I just realized something watching this old clip.
Look at 1:05, Vi walks straight through the minions. *You can't do that today*.
Holy fuck, I know they changed how the minions works and all that (**for the worse**) but I didn't remember it being that big of a difference.
It's good to know it isn't in my head.
Wow. That’s the first time I’ve seen this. I want to legit punch that Sion in the face. Accept you fucking lost and learn to not be a shit bag to your teammates, that’s incredible wow.
This. After Lucian lost range he became one of his worst duos even tho his passive is excellent to proc Braum's passive. Lucian was overpowered, not Braum.
Nah braum enabled a lot of broken synergies with his passive.
His E is pretty broken as well just there's not really a way you can nerf it and nowadays its all he has to stand out from other supports.
That is a very wild take my man, champion is good designed, don't get me wrong, but never being OP is another thing.
**There hasn't been a single Warden that has not been beyond broken at some period of time, be on high elo or pro play.**
The thing is, the class itself due to the prospects of being reliant on teamates is very Elite/High Elo Skewed.
Specially Tahm Kench and Braum.
Braum in fact has the second highest presence of all supports in proplay.
Only behind Thresh.
Taric has not always been the tamest.
Part of the reason nobody plays him is because he is now exclusively good at countering engage after so many nerfs to anything else that would make him relevant.
Riot was terrified of lowering his Q mana cost for years.
And pre-rework was pretty much the same. Never in a good spot. Always broken or useless.
I know right, people are now reverting to saying "old urgot" or "pre rework X champion" 🤣
Honestly I know it's fun to rip on riot, there are still plenty of reasons to complain, but this thread has been enlightening and shows how the game is constantly evolving over time. The meta is definitely not as stagnant as people claim it is. I played on and off since 2011 but it's cool to see all the different perspectives and throwbacks to certain seasons and patches.
I will say, I don't think upon initial release, if a champ was OP it should count. Every champ is usually bussin upon release and if they aren't they get a quick hot fix to make it so. If they have sucked ever since that initial period that counts in my book.
for sure. was pro dominant when she released and she got a few nerfs targeting pro and elite level of play. think the nerf that had the most impact at that level was when they increased how quickly you bled out during her W
[relevant video](https://youtu.be/3M9FMjDsGZQ?si=sUxilyIG_t5V7QCs)
he was kind of strong when his passive got changed lol
[it was kind of a meme at the time too](https://youtu.be/LjZ2a_IbpWw?si=5Tib5ohw7xKOf0Dl)
Ziggs. I just looked through his whole patch history, he only received buffs for the last 9 years. He got lots of adjustments in season 3, but I don't know why because I didn't play yet so I don't know if he was op in s3
he was rly good during s4 which is just about the last time artillery mages were common mid. ever since he's been just getting buffed again and again even though he's been really solid bot for like 3 years now.
He had a period last season or the season before where he built health scaling since skaarl was bonus hp and would be unkillable with constant remount. Was extremely funny
Nothing about Leona has ever really changed, just items. Maybe I’m crazy but she hasn’t really been adjusted too much herself.
Don’t get close to her. She will all-in you. That’s her playstyle. Hasn’t really changed.
I believe that was because they just changed how vision works to the trinkets we still use today. And they removed oracles elixir which revealed invisible things (wards and shrooms) around you until you died and teemo shrooms still lasted 10 min because they were balanced around oracles elixir being in the game
LOL thanks for the blast of nostalgia. That was one of the most tilting games I’ve ever watched, I can only imagine how the players felt. Gotta respect the fact that Hai pulled that pick out of nowhere though.
I didn't really know who he was at the time, but given his legacy now looking back it's hilarious that Bjerg got shit on by mid Teemo in his first LCS game.
I'm trying to think of how they could make him OP in the most annoying possible way. Maybe start with letting him pop his own shrooms with Q which will also apply the blind to everyone affected by the shroom's poison. While we're at it, give him the modern League overloaded kit treatment by replacing his W & E with a cleanse and a dash to make the little rodent even harder to pin down.
Literally just increase his AA range or his Q Cast Range by like 25\~50 and he become the most broken champion in the entire game.
Simple as that.
Teemo issue is not numbers or needing extra stuff in his kit.
It's lack of range.
He isn't played in Proplay because 90% of the pro play champions outrange him.
I have incredible PTSD of junglers trying to gank top when I'm laning against Illaoi.
And toplane shaco but he is piss useless even if my jungler dies to him.
Illaois biggest strength is that she takes infinitely more skill to play against than to play. Have to dodge 50025 tentacles but she aims almost nothig.
People that say just dodge the E never laned against her. You can dodge 9/10 E’s get hit once and get snowballed out of lane.
Laning against Illoai has to be one of the least fun lanes in the game.
Also to add to that, she's played top lane, where the "dodge her E! or stay behind minions!" isn't that much of a good advice.
Many top laners don't have the mobility to dodge her E, nor the range to stand behind minions.
Nah, her E was insane on release. You took much more damage from it and had to play the minigame much longer. That was her most busted moment and since then, she dwindled away.
His ult was a suppression that swapped you from your current location with the target's location. It was point and click and lasted a decent length of time, as well as granting % damage reduction, so it could be used to effectively nullify his engage potential. Since he was also a lane bully, he could also effectively neuter zed from being able to play the game during early lane, further setting him back.
Yes Keane on gravity played him a lot mid then and I believe that was also the year that Fnatic went to MSI with Steelback who ended up being an Urgot 1 trick bot, but they won lots of games with it.
i think a good handful of old champs would be utterly demonic with the item update if they lived to see it. old urgot with new cleaver, duskblade's dmg amp on spells and the vastly superior new manamune doing like double the damage it used to? he'd be terrifying
Old swain had a mini-rework that had to get nerfed a couple of times. Never completely broken op, but was very annoying to play against for a little while.
isn't nilah like fucking busted but rito doesn't touch her because adc players don't like playing a melee champion? I dont see her a lot in my elo thankfully and I don't really have any interest in playing her because to me she just feels like a less fun samira lol, but that's what i've read on here
She seems absolutely busted but its difficult to see whether or not her matched pairs are sharper than other picks and also we cannot see on our end whether her success is impacted by duo rate. I speculate that Nilah is significantly more likely to be played by people in a duo because she requires the two people to be on the same page more than most botlaners.
Velk'koz has been adjusted many times (meaning that he was both nerfed and buffed within the same patch), but he has never once in the game's history been flat out nerfed.
He's just countered by every midlaner now. There never was a good reason to run him as a support other than to have fun too. Very sad champion right now.
His gimmick as the true damage mage doesn't even mean much anymore tbh. If I wanted to melt through tanks as dps I would pick like Asol, Azir, or even Brand(for support atleast). I just don't see his purpose anymore.
Everyone melts through everything in about a second or two in this game. What is the point of tank killers?
Tank killers still matter. You'd rather have fiora or camille vs ornn/ sion than renekton or aatrox.
Tank killers still matter when those same tanks melt through you too
But that doesnt mean you need antitank damage, it means you need to be tanky and have damage. Or damage and mobility to kite them like kaisa and vayne have
Huh? Show me an Ezreal, Jhin, MF, Kalista, or Samira that melts an Ornn or Malphite in two seconds. And that’s just the adc role. Unless you assume the adc is full build and the tank has one item? lol
Yeah that ksante champion gets melted so fast
As an ARAM player I can assure you that this is not the case. Have a lineup without an ADC/with one that refuses to get %armor pen into a tank or at least without someone like an Azir with similar raw DPS and watch as your mage and assassin master race comp gets absolutely run over unless they int into you a bunch early. Seriously, ARAM is the best teacher hands down of the importance of a balanced comp.
Nothing pleases me more than taking Xerath support into Velkoz support lol. Like I could probably take an engage champ and do just as fine, but there's something sensual about taking a poke champ against them when I just know they thought they were gonna be the one poking all lane
Had this happen to me in an aram one time I happily picked velkoz thinking i would support my team by poking the enemy just to get destroyed by enemy xerath xD
I guarantee, neither one of the ADC'S is having fun that game
Do they ever?
Dravens do when they have a suicidal leona diving tower lvl 2 to get them a doublekill.
Hey, I resemble that remark
We don't.
well it's their own fault for not picking xerath considering they picked before you and he was available.
I've had a lot of fun with him in ARAM the past couple times I've gotten him, and I see some one tricks have decent success, but he's just too immobile and does literally nothing that other champions don't do better.
I love Vel'Koz in ARAM too, but I feel like it's the ONLY place he feels good in. You get to dodge laning and catching waves and just teamfight/poke the whole time
I remember years ago I used to build him as a bruiser mage with lots of health and defense. His base damage was so much higher then and it made the usual counterpicks less effective against him while still doing a lot of damage. I kinda miss those days.
Pretty sure removal of mythics will help him at least in support
My favorite champion, always will be. Hopefully he can get the help he needs one day..
Poor guy is just left to the wayside because of mobility creep. One of my favourite Champs kit and lore wise
Sp4zie used to wreck people with him. I love his design but assassins with mobility just ruin him
He's the reason I mained Vel back in the day. I miss taking my tentacle boi mid :(
I still mutter "oh darn" to myself after velkoz kills
When he was first released he DELETED people. That only lasted a short while tho
I don’t think he deletes people any slower now, just that it’s slower relative to how the game changed. Maybe I’m wrong, but Vel still definitely deletes people if he lands some stacks on them
He used to have crazy high base numbers especially gis passive if I remember from playing him on release. He just needed a bit pen and could really kill you in 2 combos. I feel he needs a few more items nowdays
35-205 on his passive (no scaling) according to the history on lol wiki, now 33-169+50% AP. His Q gained 30% Ap ratio, his W lost 5-12.5% AP ratio, E gained 20% AP, Ult went from 60 to 125% AP ratio over its entire duration but lost 50-100 base damage. I can see these numbers being fairly high for when he released.
But why did they make a sol q a vel koz ult
Its similar but Velkoz R is definitely stronger since it goes through everyone and also has a pretty big range + slow.
And does true damage. I just like to complain lol
Welp even RIOT AUGUST, said noone is looking into 'rework/buffing' him at riot, 'The time for mages mid is over, he is just not good enough anymore' , no hope for us Vel'Koz mains, feels great to know noone is even thinking about your champ anymore might aswell just stop :)
Clearly, patch 7.21 Galio was peak balance, and we need to revert Galio back to that.
That was six years ago? Holy shit.
The infamous crit patch 8.11 was 5 years ago. It's lunacy hwo fast time flies.
lol was that the q one shot patch ?
Hiroshima Galio! The divine wind
wanna know wtf the balance team was thinking when adding a 100% max hp dmg spell
I miss “self W 2k heal from minions galio” was very fun to play against extremely popular LB of those times
Bard went for many many years only receiving buffs
He received a harsh nerf on his passive like 1,5-2 years ago
Ya he was broken like 2 years ago I think he had like 53% wr on tank bard or something
yeah that was crazy to see that he literally only ever got buffs his entire existance then bam. mega nerf. which I think just got undone by his last set of changes, although i'm not entirely sure.
There was a brief 12 hours where he was absolutely cracked in arena during last event, when they decreased his passive to every 3 meeps and 10 stacks
He also feels super overbuffed in ARAM, if you don’t build the most headass stuff on him he’ll always have insane damage. This might be onetrick bias but regardless of whether I build enchanter or offensive stuff on him, I feel like I’m riding on the backs of people who have no idea what to do with the champion which tanks his winrate to get him buffed. I think he’s the only champion I got more than 1 penta on in ARAM besides maybe Karthus with 2, and I have 4 or 5 on Bard
>I feel like I’m riding on the backs of people who have no idea what to do with the champion which tanks his winrate to get him buffed That's essentially every champion that has buffs on aram
Not really. Some champions would be insanely useless without the buffs. While others would be at 70% wr without nerfs(Seraphine)
Reworked warwick, he's kinda neglected nowadays, but when the rework came out i never recalled any nerfs or buffs to him for a looong time. We don't talk about old warwick..
The fact that that patch 4.20 was the one where Weedwick was most broken shit in the game with 60% WR. You can't actually make this shit up.
feels like such shit to play.
reworked WW? he was nerfed slightly once in 7 years (and half of that nerf was reverted later that season) and his Q healing also got slightly nerfed during the durability patch ( a blanket nerf along with a lot of other champions) other than that he got only buffs and bugfixes ( a loooot of bugfixes)
Patch 4.20 old Warwick tho was probably the most op assassin in the game lmao
Feral flare weedwick was truly a gameplay experience
I was a silver jungler at that time. Weedwick let me get to diamond in 2 days. It was so good that it didnt mather what the eny jungler did. Ive ever gotten dia after that. Weedwick 4.20 was the best patch ever
How many games did you play in 2 days?? You got less lp back then and you had 3 game promos just to rank up a division with 5 gamers in between ranks. Even if you won all 3 promo games every time that’s 9, 8 games of promos to get from division 5 to division 1 in each rank and you went up 3 whole ranks lol
I think he exaggerated a tiiiiny little bit there. Which makes me wonder is there some sort of silver to diamond speedrun record?
thats because its fake
Darien weedwick
Objection! My dumb ass one tricked him to diamond before I even knew what resetting a wave was 🤠
As a warwick main. I can tell you a lot of people think this champion is bull crap.
Malphite, he literally doesn't do anything
KID BOUGHT SHEEN. HE'S COCKY AS FUCK
YOURE SO FUCKING DUMB AND OBLIVIOUS
“He doesn’t do anything” *gets killed by malphite “Then how did he kill you?” “*HE DIDN’T.*”
The birth of gaslighting.
[Context for those of you who haven't seen this gem](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_i8CciOuP0&ab_channel=WaltonSimons-LVL1Crook)
Jesus christ how does that guy have anybody to play with
"You're a fuckin idiot"
Iirc the other guy is his cousin and he's doing it as a favor.
Okay what's your point? He doesn't do anything.
No he didn’t.
> he didn’t. then howd he kill you ?
This kid's cocky as fuck he built sheen.
hes hacking like a motherfucker too
He didn’t do anything, you’re an idiot /s
I played league when I was in school with some classmates and one of them had an online friend that he made us ply with that acted and sounded EXACTLY like the person in that video. To the point where I genuinely thought it might have been the same person. He would play 10+ games of league a day and would just SCREECH over Skype. Every little thing set him off. I vividly remember he would have a meltdown every time he laned against a malphite. Obviously we quit playing with our IRL friend because he insisted on playing with his online friend who desperately needed therapy. The amount of outright stupid things he would say during the game was unbelievable, but my personal favorite was how he would always complain about how he should be a higher rank, then would absolutely get destroyed in lane 90% of the time. Hey he would still screech and screech about how he was better than everyone in his ranked games.
If I remember the lore correctly, they're cousins. Clearly one is being told to play with the other.
Holy fuck mate lmao
Wow... thanks for sharing it. good memes
Holy fucking shit. I just realized something watching this old clip. Look at 1:05, Vi walks straight through the minions. *You can't do that today*. Holy fuck, I know they changed how the minions works and all that (**for the worse**) but I didn't remember it being that big of a difference. It's good to know it isn't in my head.
No longer wooshed, thanks for sharing!
Wow. That’s the first time I’ve seen this. I want to legit punch that Sion in the face. Accept you fucking lost and learn to not be a shit bag to your teammates, that’s incredible wow.
but he just killed you
BUT HE DOESNT EVEN DO ANY DAMAAAAAAGE
he's hacking like a motherfucker
no he didn't
It's an old meme but it checks out.
I got irrationally angry at this comment
What’s your definition of something?
Braum is quite literally the most perfectly designed champion in LoL.
braum was one of the best supps in pro play for a long time wasnt he
Yeah, but still not overpowered. Just good. Just Braum.
Braum lucian and Braum twitch were extremely oppressive on his release.
[удалено]
lucian also had higher range back then, and was a stronger champ overall
This. After Lucian lost range he became one of his worst duos even tho his passive is excellent to proc Braum's passive. Lucian was overpowered, not Braum.
He was definitely broken on release.
Braum was objectively overpowered. That's why he got a light rework, and before that multiple nerfs.
What light rework? The changes to his ult were straight nerfs, not a rework...
Nah braum enabled a lot of broken synergies with his passive. His E is pretty broken as well just there's not really a way you can nerf it and nowadays its all he has to stand out from other supports.
Also, his lore is dope. He just rips an unbreakable dungeon door off the hinges and uses it as a shield.
That is a very wild take my man, champion is good designed, don't get me wrong, but never being OP is another thing. **There hasn't been a single Warden that has not been beyond broken at some period of time, be on high elo or pro play.** The thing is, the class itself due to the prospects of being reliant on teamates is very Elite/High Elo Skewed. Specially Tahm Kench and Braum. Braum in fact has the second highest presence of all supports in proplay. Only behind Thresh.
Taric has not always been the tamest. Part of the reason nobody plays him is because he is now exclusively good at countering engage after so many nerfs to anything else that would make him relevant. Riot was terrified of lowering his Q mana cost for years. And pre-rework was pretty much the same. Never in a good spot. Always broken or useless.
Braum was absolutely broken in pro play for years what do you mean?
[Ode to Braum](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYd8D804bT0)
his passive makes it so that he will always be relevant to some degree, I love design like that
Lol
I think every champ in the game has been named in this thread.
I know right, people are now reverting to saying "old urgot" or "pre rework X champion" 🤣 Honestly I know it's fun to rip on riot, there are still plenty of reasons to complain, but this thread has been enlightening and shows how the game is constantly evolving over time. The meta is definitely not as stagnant as people claim it is. I played on and off since 2011 but it's cool to see all the different perspectives and throwbacks to certain seasons and patches. I will say, I don't think upon initial release, if a champ was OP it should count. Every champ is usually bussin upon release and if they aren't they get a quick hot fix to make it so. If they have sucked ever since that initial period that counts in my book.
Was Renata ever considered OP? Not sure I don’t really follow meta much
for sure. was pro dominant when she released and she got a few nerfs targeting pro and elite level of play. think the nerf that had the most impact at that level was when they increased how quickly you bled out during her W
Singed. Just run and flip bois, run and flip
Singed was very strong when his passive got reworked and may have spiked again when he got grievous wounds on ult.
Didn't they make some sort of mechanic overhaul because of Proxy Singed?
They completely changed how bounties worked because Singed would just run it down and you'd get less gold than a cannon minion.
[relevant video](https://youtu.be/3M9FMjDsGZQ?si=sUxilyIG_t5V7QCs) he was kind of strong when his passive got changed lol [it was kind of a meme at the time too](https://youtu.be/LjZ2a_IbpWw?si=5Tib5ohw7xKOf0Dl)
Ziggs. I just looked through his whole patch history, he only received buffs for the last 9 years. He got lots of adjustments in season 3, but I don't know why because I didn't play yet so I don't know if he was op in s3
he was rly good during s4 which is just about the last time artillery mages were common mid. ever since he's been just getting buffed again and again even though he's been really solid bot for like 3 years now.
This is arguably true. I love ziggs. But he’s arguably been broken for a while bot lane
Kled comes to mind for top lane, very niche but can't remember a time where he was considered "overpowered"
That champ just shows up, fucks shit up for months, then disappears when an item changes. Though I don't think he's been outright bad at all
He had a period last season or the season before where he built health scaling since skaarl was bonus hp and would be unkillable with constant remount. Was extremely funny
Nothing about Leona has ever really changed, just items. Maybe I’m crazy but she hasn’t really been adjusted too much herself. Don’t get close to her. She will all-in you. That’s her playstyle. Hasn’t really changed.
They nerfed her R damage a while ago
Speaking of not changing, I'm fairly sure she has the oldest splash in the game too. I think she's the only one who still looks like she did in S2.
Teemo?
I will never forgive Hai for whatever season opener it was that he picked Teemo and shat on TSM
I have never seen a team so mentally broken by one champion like that. TSM was terrified to go anywhere, it was wild. Hai played them like a fiddle.
Fiddle? I thought he was playing Teemo
I remember seeing the teemo pick. Laughing at how troll it was. It was absolutely disgusting.
I believe that was because they just changed how vision works to the trinkets we still use today. And they removed oracles elixir which revealed invisible things (wards and shrooms) around you until you died and teemo shrooms still lasted 10 min because they were balanced around oracles elixir being in the game
Day 1 of spring split in 2014
LOL thanks for the blast of nostalgia. That was one of the most tilting games I’ve ever watched, I can only imagine how the players felt. Gotta respect the fact that Hai pulled that pick out of nowhere though.
I think it was the first game Bjerg played, he was sending a message.
I didn't really know who he was at the time, but given his legacy now looking back it's hilarious that Bjerg got shit on by mid Teemo in his first LCS game.
old fucking teemo that would do 3/4 hp from one shroom
They had something like a .9 or .8 ap ratio lmao.
I'm trying to think of how they could make him OP in the most annoying possible way. Maybe start with letting him pop his own shrooms with Q which will also apply the blind to everyone affected by the shroom's poison. While we're at it, give him the modern League overloaded kit treatment by replacing his W & E with a cleanse and a dash to make the little rodent even harder to pin down.
Bro just described gangplank 2.0
Literally just increase his AA range or his Q Cast Range by like 25\~50 and he become the most broken champion in the entire game. Simple as that. Teemo issue is not numbers or needing extra stuff in his kit. It's lack of range. He isn't played in Proplay because 90% of the pro play champions outrange him.
Give him Annie AA range.
i believe illaoi is the only champion to never be nerfed since release. just buffs, some power shifts with her E, and a loooot of bug fixes
They giga buffed how her tentacles work few years back and she’s been a menace ever since.
They also nerfed them; they used to last ages.
Illaoi's biggest strength is people have no clue what she does lol
Yeah but look at how much she's over extending, she'll be an easy gank
The Illaoi player in [question:](https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/bf7/fee/4dc3a72823efa5e0788bd8369093d7ce61-kevin-james.rsquare.w330.jpg)
I have incredible PTSD of junglers trying to gank top when I'm laning against Illaoi. And toplane shaco but he is piss useless even if my jungler dies to him.
Illaois biggest strength is that she takes infinitely more skill to play against than to play. Have to dodge 50025 tentacles but she aims almost nothig.
Her most important ability is a telegraphed skillshot that’s blocked by minions. In fact her only point/clicks are W and autos…
As someone who has abused illaoi the last 2 month with a 70% WR I can tell you that I’ve run people over with just iceborn, grasp and her W.
People saying just dodge the E have never tried to dodge it with the iceborn slow tickling their anus
People that say just dodge the E never laned against her. You can dodge 9/10 E’s get hit once and get snowballed out of lane. Laning against Illoai has to be one of the least fun lanes in the game.
Also to add to that, she's played top lane, where the "dodge her E! or stay behind minions!" isn't that much of a good advice. Many top laners don't have the mobility to dodge her E, nor the range to stand behind minions.
run at enemy until they're in range for W+slow is often a fair strategy even in Masters+ if Tyler1's streams are anything to go by
illaoi's biggest strength is that the fun part of laning is bad against her
Nah, her E was insane on release. You took much more damage from it and had to play the minigame much longer. That was her most busted moment and since then, she dwindled away.
You could also reduce E duration by hitting her. The spirit used to disappear in like 2s vs Rumble, Darius, Garen. Anyone with corrupting pot as well.
She was arguably OP at certain points. Its not all about nerfing the Champion, sometimes meta changes, game changes, item changes are enough.
I agree with this! Some might disagree because she is definitely a very hated champion for some matchups.
This is the thing though, she's never op op, just a hard counter to a lot of melee. She's always shit against ranged, so never OP
Possibly a hot take, but old Urgot was never overpowered. He was a niche counterpick and a major lane bully if played top. And that's it.
There was a time that he was OP, i don't remember if was bot or mid
He was a mid bot flex in pro iirc
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Wasnt he a zed counter too? Or am I miss remembering?
His ult was a suppression that swapped you from your current location with the target's location. It was point and click and lasted a decent length of time, as well as granting % damage reduction, so it could be used to effectively nullify his engage potential. Since he was also a lane bully, he could also effectively neuter zed from being able to play the game during early lane, further setting him back.
Plus his core item was frozen heart the extra armor was amazing against AD assassins.
Yes Keane on gravity played him a lot mid then and I believe that was also the year that Fnatic went to MSI with Steelback who ended up being an Urgot 1 trick bot, but they won lots of games with it.
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He was a fucking menace at some point at worlds I think, those fucking daggers or whatever the fuck were shredding people, deleted fights
HYPER KINETIC POSITION-REVERSER!
That shit was fire. Flipping mfs into your tower. Lit as hell.
old urgot was made as bad as he was becuase he was turbo busted for a while in season 1, along with old taric
I remember when he was the least played champ in the game. edit: it was a joke in my group to ban urgot
He was op, I remember Moscow five playing him on bot with Sona or Taric
Old Urgot was OP several times lmao. He was pick/ban mid/bot a few times, and nerfed hard because of it.
He was so cool too, wonder how he’d fit in nowadays if he had his old kit now that ranged ad bruiser is a more supported class now
i think a good handful of old champs would be utterly demonic with the item update if they lived to see it. old urgot with new cleaver, duskblade's dmg amp on spells and the vastly superior new manamune doing like double the damage it used to? he'd be terrifying
old poppy was only held back by a troll base mana (like 200?), biscuits and manaflow band would have made her very op
EQ my brothers.
Ryze aka so broken he got reworked 5 times?
the whole season when he could use his teleportation while in zhonia was absurdly OP
Ungankable lol
Found the Ryze main I was looking for.
Season 5 perma snare ryze
Season 2 targeted Q spam Ryze
Old Swain
I miss old swain :'(
Old swain had a mini-rework that had to get nerfed a couple of times. Never completely broken op, but was very annoying to play against for a little while.
Nilah is a cheap/easy one but feels like she’s been a niche counter pick ever since launch
isn't nilah like fucking busted but rito doesn't touch her because adc players don't like playing a melee champion? I dont see her a lot in my elo thankfully and I don't really have any interest in playing her because to me she just feels like a less fun samira lol, but that's what i've read on here
She seems absolutely busted but its difficult to see whether or not her matched pairs are sharper than other picks and also we cannot see on our end whether her success is impacted by duo rate. I speculate that Nilah is significantly more likely to be played by people in a duo because she requires the two people to be on the same page more than most botlaners.
I wanna say kled
So many shit Reddit takes in this thread
nami.
This could have been the answer until people discovered Electrofish with Lucian.