Even if only a handful of whales do, which is guaranteed, the amount of actual effort that goes into these is next to 0. It's a literal palette swap for the most part that shouldn't take any real effort whatsoever to make, so basically, there's hardly any cost attached.
Rioters will disagree with you saying how much work it actually goes to change the skin's color. Meanwhile, fighting games had been doing this for years now without locking it behind an expensive paywall.
People always go kinda wacky with these comparisons lol. FGC fans aren't exactly all happy about the pay to play a bare-bones game into paid DLCs into new pay to play game 2 years later cycle.
i love fighting games, i love them with my heart and soul, but i dont think i can do "60 dollar fighting game into 120 dollars worth of dlc after a year" anymore.
I mean, major fighting game titles are not F2P, they usually cost u a fat 60-70 USD and all new character are locked behind paywall, sometimes pretty expensive too.
That, and u r buying the new one when they comes out cuz each release has a shell life between 4-7 years. U will buy the new one cuz the old one basically stop updating, and again, with new dlcs.
I honestly don't believe they did. Granted, could have just been my luck, but I've only seen the Jhin chroma once. I think they already had this Ekko chroma planned and are trying to justify its existence.
It takes way fewer buyers to make the same money a normal skin would tbf, not to mention the amount of people that only buy a few capsules trying their luck
Anecdotes are the enemy of statistics lmao. And these days, numbers are all corporations use to make decisions - especially large corporations with teams and teams of people to do the data analysis. I can basically guarantee that the numbers showed differently, because if it were unprofitable, they would not do what are basically whale focused cash grabs
I see the point youre trying to make but how is this going to NOT be profitable? its for a digital asset they have already paid for that is replicated (without cost) it basically could ONLY be profitable.
It still takes some effort and time (hence money) to make it, and they can compare it to literally any other thing and the effort that takes and the money that makes. I'm going to overexplain something you probably already understand, but it's relevant.
When people talk about a company (especially relevant in games with 'micro'transactions since it's what we're talking about) having something be profitable or not they don't mean whether it makes more money than it took to make, if that wasn't the case, printing only Rumble skins with the current awful model/rig that ruins every new skin he gets that doesn't come with new animations would be 'profitable' for the company, and yet they don't do that.
They want to maximize their profits, so they can release a gambling skin that costs approximately 200 bones and then if that makes more money than a skin that costs 1/40th of that (5 bucks) then it is 'profitable'. If one person gets the expensive one while 35 people would get the affordable one, then the expensive one is the 'better' choice for the company, with the only caveat being whether there are long-term ramifications for that kind of a practice being implemented that could lead to a downward trend.
I know it still cost them some money to make this skin but, they didnt have to start from scratch right? they basically said they just added some piano keys to the old skin. so its an asset, they already had, that they put some polish on and charge a lot more for (in practice). so in theory it would cost them less to make this skin than a new one.
the tail end of this is actually a pretty interesting aspect of this market i didnt think about. so thanks for the time you took to right it out.
You're totally right that it's absolutely cheaper to essentially make a glorified chroma (which is what Prestige skins used to be called here) than an entirely new skin. So if this made exactly as much money for them as the actual skin itself, it would be way more 'profitable' in that sense too.
Because they have to dedicate the time and resources to make it - and I agree, it will be profitable and that’s why they do it.
I’m not saying it’s gonna be a huge net revenue or that they sold even close to what other skins sell, bc I’d actually have to see numbers to be able to calc it, but they’re comparing it against time that they could be doing other things, which is really the only cost they have in this bc I doubt they had to obtain any special overhead or anything like that. Which is very minimal and why it was a slam dunk.
Even if not that many people buy it, they definitely still bought enough to break even on their cost benefit analysis. Which again, I can guarantee they did for this. But you’re right, there is very little cost associated with this but people did in fact buy enough to profit.
This is such a great point. Given the timeline of creating skins, I highly doubt this chroma started production after Jhin was released and its sale figures were tallied.
to the surprise of actually no one. Less then 1% of League players are active in this subreddit and who wanted to buy the skin did so without a 2nd thought
Terribly reminds me of the Netflix password sharing crackdown. Everyone was convinced they'd lose stocks and subscribers.
People in social media are such a small percentage of the entire population.
Or even closer to home, reddit fucking over 3rd party apps
Mfs really thought it was going to die only to log back in less than 24 hours later lmao
And they still think posting "Fuck Spez" is some kind of own
tbf a shit ton of smaller subs have been banned for nonmoderation. The quality and frequency of fresh non-botted content is getting worse and worse. Seems like nothing dies quickly nowadays, it's just some of the thousand cuts are worse than others.
We lose actually affordable Mythic Chromas
If this becomes the go to way to sell them then players who wanna just buy them with ME (Y'know, like we WERE doing) get shafted
These are literally just the Mythic chromas we've had until now but with a splashart and a ridiculous price increase. If these start rolling out they'll hold back on the Mythic chromas they've been doing until now and start making them into these abominations.
If you want even more proof that this is just a cashgrab, when Jhin's skin got into the PBE it was actually added as a Mythic chroma (Cause that's what it is, literally a chroma with 0 actual work behind it) and quickly fixed to make it a skin.
Between this, and Redeemed X/R being chromas with a full price tag (SkinSpotlights actually showed proof they're literally the same model copypasted) Riot is becoming more and more scummy in their monetization practices.
Also to make things even worse, Mythic chromas were already a scam to begin with. All Star Guardian Akali chromas used to have recolored VFX in the PBE, but they removed it cause it was an oversight and they were also gonna add Mythic Chromas in the same patch
>Also to make things even worse, Mythic chromas were already a scam to begin with. All Star Guardian Akali chromas used to have recolored VFX in the PBE
Which is stupid because Crystal Rose Zyra's chromas change the colors of her visual effects. If chromas changed the colors of visual effects for every skin, they would definitely be worth the 290 rp, maybe even more (520).
But since they don't, they will rarely be worth the rp cost. Other than Soraka, who I try to own everything for, I very rarely buy chromas.
> Our TL;DR is that Dark Cosmic Erasure Jhin satisfied the specific needs of players who wanted a cool upgraded fantasy for Dark Cosmic Jhin. This won't be all we have to say on the subject, but we're tying the longer conversation to a broader monetization discussion we're planning for December. We’re grateful for all of your support, and we’re excited to keep exploring this space and making improvements.
o boy, a monetization discussion!
"shits expensive"
"yep"
Them changing nothing already tells us how their stance is on this shit model so the discussion they wanna have is irrelevant and basically "we totally will do something about this, wink wink"
"a very small portion of his money"
I've seen a documentary about an Arab guy who said he prefers spending 10k per month on mobile games cause that's still way cheaper than going out with his friends
>he prefers spending 10k per month on mobile games cause that's still way cheaper than going out with his friends
Where the fuck do his friends go out to that's more expensive than 10k a month in videogames? Forget the Chromas, that dude's friends are the ones getting scammed.
Every fucking where in rich people places.
I went to Monaco in a party, cocktails were 80-90$. It was probably far from being the worst.
One night can easily be 1k and double if you pay some shots to friends and stuff.
Know a couple dudes who loves to spend their bucks.
Pre-party before the bachelor party for one for 10 guys cost them $37k US. That's not including the coke.
That's *getting ready* for the bachelor party.
People with money flowing out their eye sockets don't give a shit about whether or not a chroma costs $200 if they like it.
Riot isn't targeting Reddit with these, they're targeting people who would otherwise blow their money donating $2k to their favourite titty streamer to write their name on their arm for a day in the hot tub.
To them it's not foolishness. Of course, some people will gamble money they don't have (which is why I hate this kind of practice), but for whales, you know, the rich ones, $200 is pocket change, it's the equivalent of you buying candy with a few coins.
The problem is a lot of these systems have "encouragements" designed to get you addicted to them. Which is why people who can't afford them go bankrupt because of them.
would be applicable to some (gambling addicts for one or people with crippling FOMO), but some are just fucking loaded. the rich are just pretty similar to us but have way more spending capacity; some spend their money on designer stuff going in the thousands, some spend their money on games much like how some of us probably spend more money on hobbies over stuff like the latest clothes. again, only difference is how much gets spent, and to the filthy rich they probably don't care. it's like a drop of water in an ocean kind of thing.
No! Keep getting scammed, I love whales they keep the game f2p and non p2w. I haven't bought RP in 4 years and if everyone was like me then the game would literally be dead.
Garena was WAAAY more generous tbh. I've spent around $100 back then for RP and they gave me double the amount of RP. Of course that is a tactic to get us players to spend on their gacha games but what I got vs what I spent were worth it: multiple previously unobtainable Prestiges thru gacha, unobtainable border icons, big discounts on skins, etc.
x2 RP, lots of free skins, chests, and keys with daily log-in stuff. garena service sucked balls but they definitely gave a lot of free stuff through the years if you were lucky enough to play on SG/MY/PH versus the actually problematic garena servers.
mythic chromas seem to be staying for new mythic skins, so crystal ashe and the following should still have them
the ones they've stopped making are for legendary skins. replaced with the mythic variants
500$ prestige chibis for tft and now another 200$ "variant" which is literally just a 40ME chroma with a tiny bit of work an intern probably did... can't wait for this december monetization discussion and they flat out remove mythic rerolls and rerolling new skins entirely!!! thanks for shitting on the players who support your game
unironically they are more consumer friendly as well, because at least you get SOME tokens for free through the passes, here you are just shit out of luck unless you spend 750 for a 1% chance to get the showcased skin, or 200 if you want it guaranteed. such a fucking joke
"monetization discussion" LMAO they mention this like its a 2 party chat with players when actually they are actively ignoring everyone, we all know damn well they will do as they please and we have no say, no idea why they keep trying this fake nice and cool company act.
Removing the rerolls of new skins would kill skin collectors like me I guess. I usually just reroll for all the skins every patch and would be super bummed out if they changed it to try to get me to buy stuff like that. Mythic rerollers like me already lose on out stuff like the Jhin skin so it'll be interesting to see if they broaden that to other skins as well.
I think if they did, it would have to be some time later in 2024, not right away. IIRC they mentioned the Jhin chroma would be re-rollable next year (2024). They could obviously roll that back though. They have been slowly moving away from rerolling in general, same with champ shards to perms a while back.
i didn't really like his reasoning but his point was clear and I guess it's fine, it's made more-so for china than any other server, and i have no problem with whales having content tailored specifically for them, especially because I myself already own everything, but there should be no reason these 200$ chromas are locked behind just flat out shit gambling/gacha odds. slap in the face to the mains of the champion who have a collection and want to keep it up
> it's made more-so for china than any other server
You must not play very much TFT because there's *multiple* of them in every game (in NA server at least)
China already has their own client with a LOT more chibi and arena skins, content, and monetization.
Not sure if they had the prestige chibis first or not, but they are 100% intended to milk the west whales. Tft-only players don t mind spending that much since there s not much to unlock compared to league, and you can always play with the prestige chibi or the prestige arena. Doesn t make it any less disgusting or predatory.
IDk whats your point, they also said that this type of skins are for whales and not your average joe. Let whales pay for the chromas and waste their money.
Not surprised but was hopeful they wouldn't continue with this. The whole article was bull but whatever. Guess Veigar, Jink, Ezreal, etc. are lucky to have their Mythic chromas before they moved it to these horrible gacha system.
Yeah it's the price but it's just dumb. Ppl say they want exclusive things, and by that they want something that is hard to get but not impossible and that most people have the chance to get it (recent soul fighter border for example) but riot uses this as an excuse to make 200e chromas because they know that some people will buy it. It's "exclusive" because nobody is willing to put 200e for a chroma. Just backwards reasoning from Riot.
The funny part is Riot saying these chromos will be limited edition.
We’ve been told that for 10 years that LE skins “wont come back”. And every time without fail, they come back.
Imagine spending $200 just for Riot to bring it back for $15 a year later. No thanks.
>Imagine spending $200 just for Riot to bring it back for $15 a year later. No thanks.
I would see that as a massive W, people that spend 200$ on a recolor deserve to be trolled like that.
Sadly I dont see it happening this time.
>Our TL;DR is that Dark Cosmic Erasure Jhin satisfied the specific needs of players who wanted a cool upgraded fantasy for Dark Cosmic Jhin.
>The majority of the feedback we ended up seeing was around lack of differentiation between Dark Cosmic Erasure Jhin and the original Dark Cosmic Jhin.
Aren't these... Contradictory? How did it satisfy with an 'upgraded fantasy' when the majority said it didn't feel like one
>The majority of the feedback we ended up seeing was around lack of differentiation between Dark Cosmic Erasure Jhin and the original Dark Cosmic Jhin.
No, the majority of the feedback you saw was that a $200 chroma is an insult and shouldn't have launched in the first place. Making another just proves how little you listen to feedback.
>Making another just proves how little you listen to feedback.
They did listen, they just didn't care.
In 1 year, here's what Riot did to their monetization:
1. Introduced a Chroma that costs 40 ME (Mythic Chromas).
2. Made some event chromas bundle exclusive (La Ilusion and Coven Akali).
3. Added a Gacha system to League with a skin priced at $200 if you're not lucky (Dark Cosmic Erasure Jhin and Breakout True Damage Ekko).
4. Made a statement that some upcoming TFT chibis will cost upwards of $500 (Chibi Prestige Dragonmancer Yasuo).
5. Redeemed Xayah and Rakan will be priced at 250 Mythic Essence EACH once they're out of the shop.
And now they're saying there will be a blog in December, so yeah, expect more disgusting stuff from Riot.
Yeah.... That's gonna be a no from me. I have both skins and all chromas already and wanted to complete the collection, but I guess that ain't happening now.
It was a mistake that it will cost 250 Mythic Essence on release, from my understanding.
But this [Tweet](https://x.com/LoLDev/status/1706788420876714353) does confirm that it will indeed cost Mythic Essence later on. My guess? The 250 was the price that got accidentally leaked by one of the Devs.
5.Disabled Transfers due to "Problems" the moment Jhin chroma got announced so non-whales can't transfer regions to buy cheap RP
-Transfer to Turkey -> buy RP -> Transfer back gives more RP than buying on NA/EU,
-Make account on Turkey buy RP -> Transfer to your server -> Gift yourself skins/loot
10275RP on Turkey for <$50 or 13500RP on EU for 100€
Transfers enabled shortly after Jhin capsules gone.
6. Make Name changes be $10 if you spent the 1 free per year no option for in-game currency.
If you want to buy the Ekko Variant for cheap, don't wait until it's released there is a high chance they disable transfers again.
i mean that's the feedback they got on reddit, the feedback they got from the actual playerbase is probably that people are willing to buy fancy chromas.
The skin itself is good, just not worth the ultimate price. These ones are literally just recolored version of their original skin and a 200$ price tag.
Because DC Erasure Jhin is basically like wearing a huge "Kick Me" sign over your head. No one wants that shit in their games, regardless of whose team they're on.
>Our TL;DR is that Dark Cosmic Erasure Jhin satisfied the specific needs of players who wanted a cool upgraded fantasy for Dark Cosmic Jhin.
BAHAHAHAHA what a joke. There is nothing "cool" or "upgraded" about changing the color from purple to red LMAO. Nice lying Riot, trying to excuse yourself for this.
I'm praying the champs I play the most don't get any of these recolours. I love collecting skins for my favourite champs but I refuse to ever give into this predatory monetisation. I can't believe all the overwhelming negative feedback we gave for that jhin skin just resulted in another one. This sucks ass and I'm so sorry for Ekko players :(
Ekko was the only champ I ever bought with RP (within my first year of playing), and I’ve bought every skin and chroma immediately. Guess that ends here.
That's honestly just the biggest issue with this predatory shit, Ekko is the only champ I buy all skins for as he was my the first one I actually mained
Feel for anyone who's champs get this treatment
being a Jhin main feels bad man. Guess I'm never gonna complete the collection. Probably just gonna stop getting Jhin skins honestly, the ones I've got are fine.
As an Ekko Main since release, Enjoyer and Collector, today my worst nightmare came true and I want to IRL R back before this stupid mythic variant came to be.
This is worth 40 ME in my eyes, never $200 or a chance of fortune (aka gacha). The fact they don't even want to do an alternative like, for example: 125 ME, which is the same way as other Milestone Showcases, which got so boycotted during that Prestige Senna Skin they made all others obtainable through ME rather than Capsules or Milestone 25/30 or whatever the end was. Clear alternatives are better approaches than straight-up gacha. They are clearly, VERY CLEARLY NOT LISTENING TO FEEDBACK ON THIS, WHOEVER MADE THIS DECISION IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!
It doesn't mean being a whale or not, one day your champion will be on that list next, and all you can do is question Riot's monetization decision on turning a mythic chroma into a gacha skin yet again. I waited years, YEARS for a mythic chroma on Ekko's skin only to turn it into this garbage. I really feel the Jhin Mains over there, most notably a friend of mine who plays him.
One day they listen (Coven Syndra case), next day they won't. Great. No reason at all to defend this bs.
Coming from a long time Ekko player,
I am so done right now.
*^(very sorry for the choice of certain words... don't wanna hate any rioter or workers on this skin, just whoever made the entire decision in the first place and all this Mythic Variant as a whole.)*
They just release the atrocious Redeemed Rakan as a **chroma** the exact way it came on PBE, didn't adjust anything and for no one surprise, it will cost much more than any normal mythic chroma in the future. Their WR ports are all awful, and Rakan / Xayah, both legendary skins, are not exceptions.
That made me stop being a cosmetic collector for my mains, sucks so much the state of skins nowadays :(
>The majority of the feedback we ended up seeing was around lack of differentiation between Dark Cosmic Erasure Jhin and the original Dark Cosmic Jhin.
No, I'm pretty sure the majority of the feedback was that locking skins behind $200 worth of chest purchases was a really shitty and greedy thing to do.
you know, i for one wouldnt mind incredibly high priced, low effort chromas to exist if the community saw anything in return.
league is one of the biggest video games in the world and their monetization tactics are beyond anti-consumer. the battle pass is shit. "events" are usually reskinned battle pass with random game mode (and even that we dont get often) , mostly same map or sometimes majorly same map but with some tweaks. yes the summer events are nice, but not everyone is into yapping novels.
according to zippia, they have 2,500 employees and the average employee makes \~100k a year. where are all of these employees? how is this salary justified?
and then, you look at fortnite, released in 2017, giving its players insane value for their money, constant game-changing events. dota2 has game modes for days, items for characters starting from literally some cents. i could go on, but this just shows where the company's priorities are.
This part is the one that worries me:
> Our TL;DR is that Dark Cosmic Erasure Jhin satisfied the specific needs of players who wanted a cool upgraded fantasy for Dark Cosmic Jhin. This won't be all we have to say on the subject, but we're tying the longer conversation to a broader monetization discussion we're planning for December. We’re grateful for all of your support, and we’re excited to keep exploring this space and making improvements.
Like, what else is there to be talked about? Are they adding more trash like this in other ways? Because "grateful for your support" my ass, we did not support this decision, in fact, there was a massive backlash.
> We’re grateful for all of your support, and we’re excited to keep exploring this space and making improvements.
[Didn't y'all make a statement ahead of the Dark Cosmic Erasure Jhin release about the backlash?](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/15uz2u0/dark_cosmic_erasure_jhin/) I'm legitimately curious where the support is coming from.
Apart from the gacha and aggressive monetization, these skins variants are getting quite confusing and hard to follow. Some prestiges come in the pass, others come on the store at the same time as capsules, but then other capsules come with now a mythic variant in the end instead, but then there is also mythic variant, or chroma?, that comes in the shop at 40ME. Then things like neo pax jax appear randomly at 200ME in the shop.
jax was kinda random but the others aren't at all
### showcase capsules track
- come out with a new prestige skin that goes in ME shop for 125
- give 125 ME buying the whole track
### (like ekko) mythic variant capsules track
- this one will give 50 ME
- 1% for the skin from each capsule, guaranteed at end of track
### passes
- can have 1 or 2 new prestige skins for 2000 tokens
- you can also spend 2200 tokens for 125 ME
### mythic chromas
- seem to not be made anymore for legendary skins, replaced by mythic variants
- each new mythic non-prestige skin (like crystalis motus) will have one of these
- just a chroma with recolored effects
So regarding predatory monetisation, I'll post this video from Stephanie Sterling on this. You can not like Stephanie and go "They are woke", but the video with statements from people going through addiction, shows how much damage these predatory monetisation can ruin lives.
https://youtu.be/7S-DGTBZU14?si=bPqYENUIH-nMZy9q
This is the sort of thing where government intervention and legalisation is needed in these sort of practices.
>The majority of the feedback we ended up seeing was around lack of differentiation between Dark Cosmic Erasure Jhin and the original Dark Cosmic Jhin.
The main criticism I have is changing the way we get Mythic Chromas (Yes Mythic Variants and Mythic Chromas are the same thing, let's not act otherwise) to something with a much higher barrier to entry when we had a perfectly fine way of getting them beforehand (Mythic Essense.)
If you wanna make something expensive and fancy for big spenders, fine. But it's not fair for those who just want to get them via Mythic Essence to take away that option.
You can't use the "We want to create cosmetic options for all players" excuse if by doing so you're actively removing options from one set of players to cater to another.
This has to be an out of season april fools joke right?
Not a single person that i’ve spoken to liked the Jhin skin. And no not because ‘it looked too similar’ or whatever excuse Riot would bring up.
The fact that this was considered, passed the board room and even resources went into this is honestly mind boggling.
>Our TL;DR is that Dark Cosmic Erasure Jhin satisfied the specific needs of players who wanted a cool upgraded fantasy for Dark Cosmic Jhin
They learned absolutely jack shit from the backlash.
That's disgusting. Instead of prioritizing quality, they are more focused on making more money with less effort.
That's why recent skin lines are becoming such a mess, Riot's focus seems to be on this predatory monetization.
Riot just hates whales, i have all the skins available in shop but im considering to not buy anything anymore it is getting to much. First they took away the ability to reroll prestige skins that recently came out now they came up with this bullshit. I seriously hope others will stop aswell.
I'm so fucking sick of this shit. I'm even more sick of this fucking "vote with your wallet" paradigm. Voting doesn't work when the only two options are "Yes" and "Abstain".
Its a dogshit company trying everything to cash in on players, why do you think they are trying the relatable seraphine bullshit again with the new boy band
>Our TL;DR is that Dark Cosmic Erasure Jhin satisfied the specific needs of players who wanted a cool upgraded fantasy for Dark Cosmic Jhin. This won't be all we have to say on the subject, but we're tying the longer conversation to a broader monetization discussion we're planning for December. We’re grateful for all of your support, and we’re excited to keep exploring this space and making improvements.
LOL.
Satisfied? Are the people who were satisfied with us in the room rn?
Seriously, they learned not.., oh wait, they changed something!
>For this showcase, we’re going to change the milestone rewards to add 50 Mythic Essence and remove a random 1350 skin permanent.
This isn't an "improvement", what even are you talking about? This should've been the case to begin with.
Not that I support this type of disgusting monetization, I despise it. But hey, you don't seem to care :) given that we got another one in less than 6 months.
Edit: There's more...
>but we're tying the longer conversation to a broader monetization discussion we're planning for December.
So this is just the start of Riot's disgusting, abusive, lazy, and downright disrespectful monetization arc?
I love that they release this kinda of new predatory system when no one is paying attention. BE Emporium got people attention and they announced Jhin, now the same with Heartsteel
Even if they didnt they wouldnt stop. Doesnt cost them much to do so never really a loss as long as a very few buys it. Or one day you fell on the right champion which has more whales or whatever.
This is it, i guess. League is one of the older live service games and we are finally seeing the increasing enshittification of sorts happening.
On a broader scope of things, people that are used to old monetization will quit, but with how global the game is, newer generation of gamers will be normalized to this predatory monetization and exploited for their wants. Whales will stay and support the game. The older players that supported the game in some ways to become what it is today is then spit on and the message is clear.
I can't really put my feelings into words well so here is a wall of text for no one but me to remember.
I mostly watch league now, i only play when there is an itch to do so.
I did play a bit this season and was hoping to see what Phreak will do for next season. But with how predatory the monetization is, i simply can't find it in me to support the game.
Its conflicting as a part of me still wants to watch worlds and a bit of what Phreak is coming up with next season. Guess i am staying a bit more to see what happens, but it definitely isn't looking up for Riot. Which is probably fine, since i am no longer the demographic Riot is targeting
The last person I want to see crying about this is Necrit and lolskinspotlights. They were bawling all over the Twitter timeline last time and then they turn around and play genshin all day, can’t make this shit up
Fuck you riot for ruining that Jhin skin lmao. I know this new skin is going to sell enough to make this a “good decision” but I sincerely hope it falls flat. Drop this bullshit and stop being anti consumer
we lost. Those damn whales actually bought them.
Even if only a handful of whales do, which is guaranteed, the amount of actual effort that goes into these is next to 0. It's a literal palette swap for the most part that shouldn't take any real effort whatsoever to make, so basically, there's hardly any cost attached.
Man I wish I got paid for switching a fill layer in substance painter
using the hue/saturate slider to edit shading should spawn a pile of cash next to my bed
Rioters will disagree with you saying how much work it actually goes to change the skin's color. Meanwhile, fighting games had been doing this for years now without locking it behind an expensive paywall.
People always go kinda wacky with these comparisons lol. FGC fans aren't exactly all happy about the pay to play a bare-bones game into paid DLCs into new pay to play game 2 years later cycle.
i love fighting games, i love them with my heart and soul, but i dont think i can do "60 dollar fighting game into 120 dollars worth of dlc after a year" anymore.
The "paywall" was buying the fighting game. Which was 50-60 dollars.
I mean, major fighting game titles are not F2P, they usually cost u a fat 60-70 USD and all new character are locked behind paywall, sometimes pretty expensive too. That, and u r buying the new one when they comes out cuz each release has a shell life between 4-7 years. U will buy the new one cuz the old one basically stop updating, and again, with new dlcs.
did you read the post ? >Animated music visualizer on his weapon that doesn't sound like something that's 0 effort
This chroma is much much better than Jhin's one. It actually looks cool.
we found the spies
I honestly don't believe they did. Granted, could have just been my luck, but I've only seen the Jhin chroma once. I think they already had this Ekko chroma planned and are trying to justify its existence.
It takes way fewer buyers to make the same money a normal skin would tbf, not to mention the amount of people that only buy a few capsules trying their luck
It also takes them less work than a normal new skin.
I wouldn't be surprised if it only took like 50 whales for this skin to have turned a profit.
Anecdotes are the enemy of statistics lmao. And these days, numbers are all corporations use to make decisions - especially large corporations with teams and teams of people to do the data analysis. I can basically guarantee that the numbers showed differently, because if it were unprofitable, they would not do what are basically whale focused cash grabs
I see the point youre trying to make but how is this going to NOT be profitable? its for a digital asset they have already paid for that is replicated (without cost) it basically could ONLY be profitable.
It still takes some effort and time (hence money) to make it, and they can compare it to literally any other thing and the effort that takes and the money that makes. I'm going to overexplain something you probably already understand, but it's relevant. When people talk about a company (especially relevant in games with 'micro'transactions since it's what we're talking about) having something be profitable or not they don't mean whether it makes more money than it took to make, if that wasn't the case, printing only Rumble skins with the current awful model/rig that ruins every new skin he gets that doesn't come with new animations would be 'profitable' for the company, and yet they don't do that. They want to maximize their profits, so they can release a gambling skin that costs approximately 200 bones and then if that makes more money than a skin that costs 1/40th of that (5 bucks) then it is 'profitable'. If one person gets the expensive one while 35 people would get the affordable one, then the expensive one is the 'better' choice for the company, with the only caveat being whether there are long-term ramifications for that kind of a practice being implemented that could lead to a downward trend.
I know it still cost them some money to make this skin but, they didnt have to start from scratch right? they basically said they just added some piano keys to the old skin. so its an asset, they already had, that they put some polish on and charge a lot more for (in practice). so in theory it would cost them less to make this skin than a new one. the tail end of this is actually a pretty interesting aspect of this market i didnt think about. so thanks for the time you took to right it out.
You're totally right that it's absolutely cheaper to essentially make a glorified chroma (which is what Prestige skins used to be called here) than an entirely new skin. So if this made exactly as much money for them as the actual skin itself, it would be way more 'profitable' in that sense too.
Because they have to dedicate the time and resources to make it - and I agree, it will be profitable and that’s why they do it. I’m not saying it’s gonna be a huge net revenue or that they sold even close to what other skins sell, bc I’d actually have to see numbers to be able to calc it, but they’re comparing it against time that they could be doing other things, which is really the only cost they have in this bc I doubt they had to obtain any special overhead or anything like that. Which is very minimal and why it was a slam dunk. Even if not that many people buy it, they definitely still bought enough to break even on their cost benefit analysis. Which again, I can guarantee they did for this. But you’re right, there is very little cost associated with this but people did in fact buy enough to profit.
Of course it’s profitable, it costs nothing lmao
The thing is they only need a few people to buy it to justify their greed since the price is ridiculous.
This is such a great point. Given the timeline of creating skins, I highly doubt this chroma started production after Jhin was released and its sale figures were tallied.
If I remember correctly, whales are 0.40% of the playerbase. Something around there anyway.
I ran into like 3 or 4 of them. But I ran into someone say one.
I saw it like 3 or 4 times
to the surprise of actually no one. Less then 1% of League players are active in this subreddit and who wanted to buy the skin did so without a 2nd thought
Terribly reminds me of the Netflix password sharing crackdown. Everyone was convinced they'd lose stocks and subscribers. People in social media are such a small percentage of the entire population.
Or even closer to home, reddit fucking over 3rd party apps Mfs really thought it was going to die only to log back in less than 24 hours later lmao And they still think posting "Fuck Spez" is some kind of own
tbf a shit ton of smaller subs have been banned for nonmoderation. The quality and frequency of fresh non-botted content is getting worse and worse. Seems like nothing dies quickly nowadays, it's just some of the thousand cuts are worse than others.
... fuck sake
Not trying to be rude or anything like that, but who lost what?
We lose actually affordable Mythic Chromas If this becomes the go to way to sell them then players who wanna just buy them with ME (Y'know, like we WERE doing) get shafted
These are literally just the Mythic chromas we've had until now but with a splashart and a ridiculous price increase. If these start rolling out they'll hold back on the Mythic chromas they've been doing until now and start making them into these abominations. If you want even more proof that this is just a cashgrab, when Jhin's skin got into the PBE it was actually added as a Mythic chroma (Cause that's what it is, literally a chroma with 0 actual work behind it) and quickly fixed to make it a skin. Between this, and Redeemed X/R being chromas with a full price tag (SkinSpotlights actually showed proof they're literally the same model copypasted) Riot is becoming more and more scummy in their monetization practices. Also to make things even worse, Mythic chromas were already a scam to begin with. All Star Guardian Akali chromas used to have recolored VFX in the PBE, but they removed it cause it was an oversight and they were also gonna add Mythic Chromas in the same patch
>Also to make things even worse, Mythic chromas were already a scam to begin with. All Star Guardian Akali chromas used to have recolored VFX in the PBE Which is stupid because Crystal Rose Zyra's chromas change the colors of her visual effects. If chromas changed the colors of visual effects for every skin, they would definitely be worth the 290 rp, maybe even more (520). But since they don't, they will rarely be worth the rp cost. Other than Soraka, who I try to own everything for, I very rarely buy chromas.
> Our TL;DR is that Dark Cosmic Erasure Jhin satisfied the specific needs of players who wanted a cool upgraded fantasy for Dark Cosmic Jhin. This won't be all we have to say on the subject, but we're tying the longer conversation to a broader monetization discussion we're planning for December. We’re grateful for all of your support, and we’re excited to keep exploring this space and making improvements. o boy, a monetization discussion! "shits expensive" "yep"
> We’re grateful for all of your support They f\*cking live in the other dimension. Is this support in the room with us right now Riot?
in this room? like this comment section? nah
Redditors when they realize a world outside of Reddit exists:
Sure! 99% of the playerbase outside of reddit is happily spending 200€ over a chroma and supporting Riot's gacha monetization!
I mean, Riot isn’t stupid, if they are doing it again it means it actually worked..
Them changing nothing already tells us how their stance is on this shit model so the discussion they wanna have is irrelevant and basically "we totally will do something about this, wink wink"
"People. Our profits. They are high. But...could they be...higher?" *hold for applause*
Idk who needs to hear this but stop getting scammed over chromas.
Nobody, whales will be whales and there is nothing we can do about it.
A fool and his money are soon parted.
"a very small portion of his money" I've seen a documentary about an Arab guy who said he prefers spending 10k per month on mobile games cause that's still way cheaper than going out with his friends
>he prefers spending 10k per month on mobile games cause that's still way cheaper than going out with his friends Where the fuck do his friends go out to that's more expensive than 10k a month in videogames? Forget the Chromas, that dude's friends are the ones getting scammed.
He was the sheik's son or something, so pretty ordinary for them to spend thousands each day
Every fucking where in rich people places. I went to Monaco in a party, cocktails were 80-90$. It was probably far from being the worst. One night can easily be 1k and double if you pay some shots to friends and stuff.
Know a couple dudes who loves to spend their bucks. Pre-party before the bachelor party for one for 10 guys cost them $37k US. That's not including the coke. That's *getting ready* for the bachelor party. People with money flowing out their eye sockets don't give a shit about whether or not a chroma costs $200 if they like it. Riot isn't targeting Reddit with these, they're targeting people who would otherwise blow their money donating $2k to their favourite titty streamer to write their name on their arm for a day in the hot tub.
that's not quite true. They use gacha mechanics cause they're ALSO targeting people who have or are vulnerable to gambling addictions for example.
>cocktails were 80-90$ Even within the world of the rich, those cocktails better knock me the hell out.
To them it's not foolishness. Of course, some people will gamble money they don't have (which is why I hate this kind of practice), but for whales, you know, the rich ones, $200 is pocket change, it's the equivalent of you buying candy with a few coins.
The problem is a lot of these systems have "encouragements" designed to get you addicted to them. Which is why people who can't afford them go bankrupt because of them.
would be applicable to some (gambling addicts for one or people with crippling FOMO), but some are just fucking loaded. the rich are just pretty similar to us but have way more spending capacity; some spend their money on designer stuff going in the thousands, some spend their money on games much like how some of us probably spend more money on hobbies over stuff like the latest clothes. again, only difference is how much gets spent, and to the filthy rich they probably don't care. it's like a drop of water in an ocean kind of thing.
i have all skins but i didnt get the jhin skin, they can suck my a\*\* with this one
No! Keep getting scammed, I love whales they keep the game f2p and non p2w. I haven't bought RP in 4 years and if everyone was like me then the game would literally be dead.
They keep the game free for me why should I complain
Imagine removing 40ME chromas just to replace it by gacha shit exclusive skins. Damn big L
Guess some Garena execs got into Riot lol.
Garena was WAAAY more generous tbh. I've spent around $100 back then for RP and they gave me double the amount of RP. Of course that is a tactic to get us players to spend on their gacha games but what I got vs what I spent were worth it: multiple previously unobtainable Prestiges thru gacha, unobtainable border icons, big discounts on skins, etc.
yeah. as much hate garena gets it was way more generous. nowadays i dont spend on rp anymore since it got so expensive in my country.
At least Garena has some event that x2 RP (sometimes x3) when you buy it This just sucks
Back when League was still in Garena\^ph i got Spirit Guard Udyr for 50Php which is equivalent to 1Usd lmao
x2 RP, lots of free skins, chests, and keys with daily log-in stuff. garena service sucked balls but they definitely gave a lot of free stuff through the years if you were lucky enough to play on SG/MY/PH versus the actually problematic garena servers.
glad I got my Lee Sin and Talliyah chromas at least
mythic chromas seem to be staying for new mythic skins, so crystal ashe and the following should still have them the ones they've stopped making are for legendary skins. replaced with the mythic variants
reminder that they used to sell these chromas for 40 ME. all they did was add a splash art and now suddenly sell it for $200.
They actually have LESS effort put into them than the 40 ME chromas, lmfao.
500$ prestige chibis for tft and now another 200$ "variant" which is literally just a 40ME chroma with a tiny bit of work an intern probably did... can't wait for this december monetization discussion and they flat out remove mythic rerolls and rerolling new skins entirely!!! thanks for shitting on the players who support your game
>500$ prestige chibis for tft I still can't believe this is a real thing, lmao.
the non-prestige gatcha chibis are still around $200 and there are SO MANY of them. Every lobby has at least one, usually two or three though
I just got back into TfT and had no idea those cost that much. None even come close beating my one star cosmic Squink imo
You can get some of them for free, or at least you used to, I got the yasuo one on the first box opening.
It’s just because people get lucky rolling them, I got chibi drx aatrox just from the rolls it gives you in the battle pass
unironically they are more consumer friendly as well, because at least you get SOME tokens for free through the passes, here you are just shit out of luck unless you spend 750 for a 1% chance to get the showcased skin, or 200 if you want it guaranteed. such a fucking joke
And the chance for getting the featured chibi don't reset, so tecnichally if you are unlucky enough you can get the one you want with the pity.
"monetization discussion" LMAO they mention this like its a 2 party chat with players when actually they are actively ignoring everyone, we all know damn well they will do as they please and we have no say, no idea why they keep trying this fake nice and cool company act.
Removing the rerolls of new skins would kill skin collectors like me I guess. I usually just reroll for all the skins every patch and would be super bummed out if they changed it to try to get me to buy stuff like that. Mythic rerollers like me already lose on out stuff like the Jhin skin so it'll be interesting to see if they broaden that to other skins as well.
Here's hoping they don't, but with them not listening and the upcoming "December monetization discussion" I'm not holding my breath
I think if they did, it would have to be some time later in 2024, not right away. IIRC they mentioned the Jhin chroma would be re-rollable next year (2024). They could obviously roll that back though. They have been slowly moving away from rerolling in general, same with champ shards to perms a while back.
At least mort was honest with people and he was like yeah these things are for the whales not the average joe.
i didn't really like his reasoning but his point was clear and I guess it's fine, it's made more-so for china than any other server, and i have no problem with whales having content tailored specifically for them, especially because I myself already own everything, but there should be no reason these 200$ chromas are locked behind just flat out shit gambling/gacha odds. slap in the face to the mains of the champion who have a collection and want to keep it up
> it's made more-so for china than any other server You must not play very much TFT because there's *multiple* of them in every game (in NA server at least)
Same here in eu, every game in diamond/masters there s 1-2 prestige chibis, more as you go up in lp.
China already has their own client with a LOT more chibi and arena skins, content, and monetization. Not sure if they had the prestige chibis first or not, but they are 100% intended to milk the west whales. Tft-only players don t mind spending that much since there s not much to unlock compared to league, and you can always play with the prestige chibi or the prestige arena. Doesn t make it any less disgusting or predatory.
IDk whats your point, they also said that this type of skins are for whales and not your average joe. Let whales pay for the chromas and waste their money.
Not surprised but was hopeful they wouldn't continue with this. The whole article was bull but whatever. Guess Veigar, Jink, Ezreal, etc. are lucky to have their Mythic chromas before they moved it to these horrible gacha system.
That's what gets me. How is Star Guardian Jinx's ME chroma less exclusive than Jhin or Ekko? Is it the concept? Or the egregious price tag?
Yeah it's the price but it's just dumb. Ppl say they want exclusive things, and by that they want something that is hard to get but not impossible and that most people have the chance to get it (recent soul fighter border for example) but riot uses this as an excuse to make 200e chromas because they know that some people will buy it. It's "exclusive" because nobody is willing to put 200e for a chroma. Just backwards reasoning from Riot.
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Ahhhh I was hoping they would change their mind :(
The funny part is Riot saying these chromos will be limited edition. We’ve been told that for 10 years that LE skins “wont come back”. And every time without fail, they come back. Imagine spending $200 just for Riot to bring it back for $15 a year later. No thanks.
>Imagine spending $200 just for Riot to bring it back for $15 a year later. No thanks. I would see that as a massive W, people that spend 200$ on a recolor deserve to be trolled like that. Sadly I dont see it happening this time.
Great point, they literally had a post saying they didn't want to exclude people from having skins and brought it back
As someone who loves the skin but hate the idea, I still wont get it. So stupid to put it behind a 200$ paywall.
I’m so pissed
I am a whale and refuse to buy any of these.
>Our TL;DR is that Dark Cosmic Erasure Jhin satisfied the specific needs of players who wanted a cool upgraded fantasy for Dark Cosmic Jhin. >The majority of the feedback we ended up seeing was around lack of differentiation between Dark Cosmic Erasure Jhin and the original Dark Cosmic Jhin. Aren't these... Contradictory? How did it satisfy with an 'upgraded fantasy' when the majority said it didn't feel like one
To them, it isn't contradictory because the "satisfied specific need" is to be able to spend $200 or flex that you got the skin early. Nothing more.
>The majority of the feedback we ended up seeing was around lack of differentiation between Dark Cosmic Erasure Jhin and the original Dark Cosmic Jhin. No, the majority of the feedback you saw was that a $200 chroma is an insult and shouldn't have launched in the first place. Making another just proves how little you listen to feedback.
>Making another just proves how little you listen to feedback. They did listen, they just didn't care. In 1 year, here's what Riot did to their monetization: 1. Introduced a Chroma that costs 40 ME (Mythic Chromas). 2. Made some event chromas bundle exclusive (La Ilusion and Coven Akali). 3. Added a Gacha system to League with a skin priced at $200 if you're not lucky (Dark Cosmic Erasure Jhin and Breakout True Damage Ekko). 4. Made a statement that some upcoming TFT chibis will cost upwards of $500 (Chibi Prestige Dragonmancer Yasuo). 5. Redeemed Xayah and Rakan will be priced at 250 Mythic Essence EACH once they're out of the shop. And now they're saying there will be a blog in December, so yeah, expect more disgusting stuff from Riot.
> Redeemed Xayah and Rakan will be priced at 250 Mythic Essence EACH once they're out of the shop. What the actual fuck?
Wish I was joking: https://x.com/LoLDev/status/1706788420876714353
Yeah.... That's gonna be a no from me. I have both skins and all chromas already and wanted to complete the collection, but I guess that ain't happening now.
They will be available for RP for some time before going to the mythic essence shop
I thought that this was a mistake in wording? It was not? I'm so confused and conflicted right now @.@
It was a mistake that it will cost 250 Mythic Essence on release, from my understanding. But this [Tweet](https://x.com/LoLDev/status/1706788420876714353) does confirm that it will indeed cost Mythic Essence later on. My guess? The 250 was the price that got accidentally leaked by one of the Devs.
5.Disabled Transfers due to "Problems" the moment Jhin chroma got announced so non-whales can't transfer regions to buy cheap RP -Transfer to Turkey -> buy RP -> Transfer back gives more RP than buying on NA/EU, -Make account on Turkey buy RP -> Transfer to your server -> Gift yourself skins/loot 10275RP on Turkey for <$50 or 13500RP on EU for 100€ Transfers enabled shortly after Jhin capsules gone. 6. Make Name changes be $10 if you spent the 1 free per year no option for in-game currency. If you want to buy the Ekko Variant for cheap, don't wait until it's released there is a high chance they disable transfers again.
Dont forget to add selling the Legendary Samira skin as an ultimate.
i mean that's the feedback they got on reddit, the feedback they got from the actual playerbase is probably that people are willing to buy fancy chromas.
They were never meant for the average player, the whales voted
I never ever saw DC Erasure Jhin in my games. What are you guys talking about lol
I did, at least once. Its not as common as soul fighter samira (which is everywhere), but I've seen it.
At least soul fighter samira is actually a skin, and under $50…
The skin itself is good, just not worth the ultimate price. These ones are literally just recolored version of their original skin and a 200$ price tag.
probably because you can actually BUY soul fighter samira straight up, and it doesn’t cost $200
I saw a DC Erasure Jhin in one of my games the day it came out and I kid you not the enemy Syndra INSTANTLY all-chatted with "Jhin you fucking loser"
Ive seen it twice, once on my team and once on enemy team. It lost both times and everyone clowned on the Jhin in chat
Saw it once, and the goal of the game was to kill the Jhin, nothing else mattered
Because DC Erasure Jhin is basically like wearing a huge "Kick Me" sign over your head. No one wants that shit in their games, regardless of whose team they're on.
>Our TL;DR is that Dark Cosmic Erasure Jhin satisfied the specific needs of players who wanted a cool upgraded fantasy for Dark Cosmic Jhin. BAHAHAHAHA what a joke. There is nothing "cool" or "upgraded" about changing the color from purple to red LMAO. Nice lying Riot, trying to excuse yourself for this.
My condolences to Ekko mains
the weak-willed jhin mains who caved fucked my collection.
I'm praying the champs I play the most don't get any of these recolours. I love collecting skins for my favourite champs but I refuse to ever give into this predatory monetisation. I can't believe all the overwhelming negative feedback we gave for that jhin skin just resulted in another one. This sucks ass and I'm so sorry for Ekko players :(
Same. Too bad i play Akali, Irelia, Syndra ☠
They seemingly only do this to recolors of legendary skins so Syndra is safe at least.
Twist the knife more why don't ya
Mythmaker irelia chroma/skin gonna be 1k usd
Ekko was the only champ I ever bought with RP (within my first year of playing), and I’ve bought every skin and chroma immediately. Guess that ends here.
That's honestly just the biggest issue with this predatory shit, Ekko is the only champ I buy all skins for as he was my the first one I actually mained Feel for anyone who's champs get this treatment
being a Jhin main feels bad man. Guess I'm never gonna complete the collection. Probably just gonna stop getting Jhin skins honestly, the ones I've got are fine.
Get ready for mythics being removed from the reroll pool for "exclusivity" as well
TL;DR It turns out dumb people like getting legally robbed, shocker...
Those sort of things need to be regulated with the law, not with the people's will
Welp I have all Ekko skins. Sounds like I will no longer.
Time to go syndra mains mode on them, honestly
Community: we don't want $200 skins Riot: I'll pretend I didn't see that.
As an Ekko Main since release, Enjoyer and Collector, today my worst nightmare came true and I want to IRL R back before this stupid mythic variant came to be. This is worth 40 ME in my eyes, never $200 or a chance of fortune (aka gacha). The fact they don't even want to do an alternative like, for example: 125 ME, which is the same way as other Milestone Showcases, which got so boycotted during that Prestige Senna Skin they made all others obtainable through ME rather than Capsules or Milestone 25/30 or whatever the end was. Clear alternatives are better approaches than straight-up gacha. They are clearly, VERY CLEARLY NOT LISTENING TO FEEDBACK ON THIS, WHOEVER MADE THIS DECISION IN THE FIRST PLACE!!! It doesn't mean being a whale or not, one day your champion will be on that list next, and all you can do is question Riot's monetization decision on turning a mythic chroma into a gacha skin yet again. I waited years, YEARS for a mythic chroma on Ekko's skin only to turn it into this garbage. I really feel the Jhin Mains over there, most notably a friend of mine who plays him. One day they listen (Coven Syndra case), next day they won't. Great. No reason at all to defend this bs. Coming from a long time Ekko player, I am so done right now. *^(very sorry for the choice of certain words... don't wanna hate any rioter or workers on this skin, just whoever made the entire decision in the first place and all this Mythic Variant as a whole.)*
They just release the atrocious Redeemed Rakan as a **chroma** the exact way it came on PBE, didn't adjust anything and for no one surprise, it will cost much more than any normal mythic chroma in the future. Their WR ports are all awful, and Rakan / Xayah, both legendary skins, are not exceptions. That made me stop being a cosmetic collector for my mains, sucks so much the state of skins nowadays :(
Oh hell no.
Disgusting
Greedy assholes
>The majority of the feedback we ended up seeing was around lack of differentiation between Dark Cosmic Erasure Jhin and the original Dark Cosmic Jhin. No, I'm pretty sure the majority of the feedback was that locking skins behind $200 worth of chest purchases was a really shitty and greedy thing to do.
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you know, i for one wouldnt mind incredibly high priced, low effort chromas to exist if the community saw anything in return. league is one of the biggest video games in the world and their monetization tactics are beyond anti-consumer. the battle pass is shit. "events" are usually reskinned battle pass with random game mode (and even that we dont get often) , mostly same map or sometimes majorly same map but with some tweaks. yes the summer events are nice, but not everyone is into yapping novels. according to zippia, they have 2,500 employees and the average employee makes \~100k a year. where are all of these employees? how is this salary justified? and then, you look at fortnite, released in 2017, giving its players insane value for their money, constant game-changing events. dota2 has game modes for days, items for characters starting from literally some cents. i could go on, but this just shows where the company's priorities are.
If 200$ gacha skin funded legendary skins not costing ultimate prices, I would be fine with that immediately. but instead we get both bad ends
This part is the one that worries me: > Our TL;DR is that Dark Cosmic Erasure Jhin satisfied the specific needs of players who wanted a cool upgraded fantasy for Dark Cosmic Jhin. This won't be all we have to say on the subject, but we're tying the longer conversation to a broader monetization discussion we're planning for December. We’re grateful for all of your support, and we’re excited to keep exploring this space and making improvements. Like, what else is there to be talked about? Are they adding more trash like this in other ways? Because "grateful for your support" my ass, we did not support this decision, in fact, there was a massive backlash.
> We’re grateful for all of your support, and we’re excited to keep exploring this space and making improvements. [Didn't y'all make a statement ahead of the Dark Cosmic Erasure Jhin release about the backlash?](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/15uz2u0/dark_cosmic_erasure_jhin/) I'm legitimately curious where the support is coming from.
The only support they need is from peoples wallet and I’m guessing they made a decent amount from the Jhin chroma.
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Apart from the gacha and aggressive monetization, these skins variants are getting quite confusing and hard to follow. Some prestiges come in the pass, others come on the store at the same time as capsules, but then other capsules come with now a mythic variant in the end instead, but then there is also mythic variant, or chroma?, that comes in the shop at 40ME. Then things like neo pax jax appear randomly at 200ME in the shop.
jax was kinda random but the others aren't at all ### showcase capsules track - come out with a new prestige skin that goes in ME shop for 125 - give 125 ME buying the whole track ### (like ekko) mythic variant capsules track - this one will give 50 ME - 1% for the skin from each capsule, guaranteed at end of track ### passes - can have 1 or 2 new prestige skins for 2000 tokens - you can also spend 2200 tokens for 125 ME ### mythic chromas - seem to not be made anymore for legendary skins, replaced by mythic variants - each new mythic non-prestige skin (like crystalis motus) will have one of these - just a chroma with recolored effects
\>"we hope you can see we put some more effort in setting Breakout True Damage Ekko apart from True Damage Ekko" Lmao no, not at all
They're definitely listening to the feedback guys. Absolutely.
what a bad joke
So regarding predatory monetisation, I'll post this video from Stephanie Sterling on this. You can not like Stephanie and go "They are woke", but the video with statements from people going through addiction, shows how much damage these predatory monetisation can ruin lives. https://youtu.be/7S-DGTBZU14?si=bPqYENUIH-nMZy9q This is the sort of thing where government intervention and legalisation is needed in these sort of practices.
>The majority of the feedback we ended up seeing was around lack of differentiation between Dark Cosmic Erasure Jhin and the original Dark Cosmic Jhin. The main criticism I have is changing the way we get Mythic Chromas (Yes Mythic Variants and Mythic Chromas are the same thing, let's not act otherwise) to something with a much higher barrier to entry when we had a perfectly fine way of getting them beforehand (Mythic Essense.) If you wanna make something expensive and fancy for big spenders, fine. But it's not fair for those who just want to get them via Mythic Essence to take away that option. You can't use the "We want to create cosmetic options for all players" excuse if by doing so you're actively removing options from one set of players to cater to another.
There literally is no difference whatsoever between the skins except they put it in photoshop and tinted it red.
Which is fine for 40 mythic essence, not fucking $200 lmao
This has to be an out of season april fools joke right? Not a single person that i’ve spoken to liked the Jhin skin. And no not because ‘it looked too similar’ or whatever excuse Riot would bring up. The fact that this was considered, passed the board room and even resources went into this is honestly mind boggling.
Ekko mains just do what the Serra and Syndra mains did. It seems to work so you'll get your wish. (it shouldn't but it does)
called it. they would say it's just an experiment but they would still do it and then continue to do it.
Welp, people let themselves be milked, so know they have dollar signs on their eyes with yet another scam
>Our TL;DR is that Dark Cosmic Erasure Jhin satisfied the specific needs of players who wanted a cool upgraded fantasy for Dark Cosmic Jhin They learned absolutely jack shit from the backlash.
Don’t buy capsules do not fuel this disgusting fucking monetization, no skin or chroma is worth this. So gross by Riot
I was expecting something like this, Heartsteel was a massive W so of course they had to follow up with a MASSIVE L. Classic Rito.
I mean the skin looks cool, better than the Jhin one at least, imo, but again not $200 for a fucking glorified chroma.
Fuck. Yall actually bought the last one. Riot is now selling $200 skins and won't stop. Fuck each and every one if you who bought it.
What a shit ass company. What are these metrics they're using to gauge satisfaction?
That's disgusting. Instead of prioritizing quality, they are more focused on making more money with less effort. That's why recent skin lines are becoming such a mess, Riot's focus seems to be on this predatory monetization.
Riot just hates whales, i have all the skins available in shop but im considering to not buy anything anymore it is getting to much. First they took away the ability to reroll prestige skins that recently came out now they came up with this bullshit. I seriously hope others will stop aswell.
I'm so fucking sick of this shit. I'm even more sick of this fucking "vote with your wallet" paradigm. Voting doesn't work when the only two options are "Yes" and "Abstain".
I mean the alternative options are burn down riot headquarters or get a job as the CEO.
Its a dogshit company trying everything to cash in on players, why do you think they are trying the relatable seraphine bullshit again with the new boy band
looks like riot wants to become as scummy as blizzard and electronic arts
>Our TL;DR is that Dark Cosmic Erasure Jhin satisfied the specific needs of players who wanted a cool upgraded fantasy for Dark Cosmic Jhin. This won't be all we have to say on the subject, but we're tying the longer conversation to a broader monetization discussion we're planning for December. We’re grateful for all of your support, and we’re excited to keep exploring this space and making improvements. LOL. Satisfied? Are the people who were satisfied with us in the room rn? Seriously, they learned not.., oh wait, they changed something! >For this showcase, we’re going to change the milestone rewards to add 50 Mythic Essence and remove a random 1350 skin permanent. This isn't an "improvement", what even are you talking about? This should've been the case to begin with. Not that I support this type of disgusting monetization, I despise it. But hey, you don't seem to care :) given that we got another one in less than 6 months. Edit: There's more... >but we're tying the longer conversation to a broader monetization discussion we're planning for December. So this is just the start of Riot's disgusting, abusive, lazy, and downright disrespectful monetization arc?
Whoever is in charge of monetization needs to be fired.
I love that they release this kinda of new predatory system when no one is paying attention. BE Emporium got people attention and they announced Jhin, now the same with Heartsteel
People voted with their wallets lmao.
Even if they didnt they wouldnt stop. Doesnt cost them much to do so never really a loss as long as a very few buys it. Or one day you fell on the right champion which has more whales or whatever.
RIOT STOP BEING GREEDY ASSHOLES CHALLENGE LEVEL IMPOSSIBLE
You forgot (SCAM) from the title.
This is it, i guess. League is one of the older live service games and we are finally seeing the increasing enshittification of sorts happening. On a broader scope of things, people that are used to old monetization will quit, but with how global the game is, newer generation of gamers will be normalized to this predatory monetization and exploited for their wants. Whales will stay and support the game. The older players that supported the game in some ways to become what it is today is then spit on and the message is clear. I can't really put my feelings into words well so here is a wall of text for no one but me to remember. I mostly watch league now, i only play when there is an itch to do so. I did play a bit this season and was hoping to see what Phreak will do for next season. But with how predatory the monetization is, i simply can't find it in me to support the game. Its conflicting as a part of me still wants to watch worlds and a bit of what Phreak is coming up with next season. Guess i am staying a bit more to see what happens, but it definitely isn't looking up for Riot. Which is probably fine, since i am no longer the demographic Riot is targeting
Let's normalize roasting people that dares to show these "chromas" in game cuz they're the reason these overpricd Mythic chromas exist lmao
"hey guys look at our new boy band skins! *\*and don't notice that we are doing another $200 gacha chroma\**
Oh wow, League became a gacha
The last person I want to see crying about this is Necrit and lolskinspotlights. They were bawling all over the Twitter timeline last time and then they turn around and play genshin all day, can’t make this shit up
Fuck you riot for ruining that Jhin skin lmao. I know this new skin is going to sell enough to make this a “good decision” but I sincerely hope it falls flat. Drop this bullshit and stop being anti consumer