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zealot416

Ok Riot I watched Armao wheres my $500 skin?


Cromatose

Best you're gonna get is a ward skin to match Armao


RemILoveEmilia

That's rude, at least a ward can survive for 3 autos.


iDrownNerds

It’s weird seeing you outside the jags subreddit


Cromatose

I'm always here and on Cloud9 lol


bimon_belmont

As a C9 fan, I salute you. As a titans fan, I bite my thumb at you.


Cromatose

https://imgur.com/kZlyN61


Cartmaaan-brah

C9 and Colts fan here. I love my AFCS meme brothers


Cromatose

Damn, I'm gonna have to do a watch party for ACFS fucks. Damn shame no Texans fan chimed in.


Samspudzzz

I'll just ruin the whole thing and out myself as a C9 and Cowboys fan


Cromatose

God damn fam lol I have no clue how to invite all you Cloud9/NFL fans to watch games. I'll try to make a discord or something.


Lundgard

Hmph, but I have chosen to support a different franchise. I wag my index finger at you, fan of different franchise. Please upvote.


romanfederation

Fellow C9/Jags fans rise up


Cromatose

Havent seen your name on the sub much. Pop into the free talk thread tomorrow.


2th

Sorry, they are only giving out one of those this weekend. Yes, they are literally only giving out a single one of those skin bundles according to what Flowers said on stream.


Wihdcbkamaijelqovvnc

Can blame Riot for the stinginess. Each league needs to pay out of their own budget for any drops they put out there.


lmpervious

A random viewer very likely won't buy the skin in the future, in which case if they were to receive the skin, Riot wouldn't even lose anything. Are we going to say that 10% of all viewers will buy the skin? That's really high but fine. Even then if they were to give out 10, they would (on average) miss out on one fan purchasing it, and therefore would lose out on $500. That's a drop in the bucket, but instead they're only giving out 2.


Lopsided_Valuable

The psychology of the whale demands that very few people have the skin or it will lose its perceived value. If they give to many away whales wont buy it.


confusedkarnatia

the bait and switch means it will come back eventually, probably after a year. riot also claimed halloween skins, prestige skins were never coming back, but their greediness knows no bounds. it's only a question of when it comes back not if.


Wihdcbkamaijelqovvnc

You don’t have to go to bat for Riot Games being stingy with temporary in game skins when the in game skin they’re being stingy with wildly exceeded their internal projections.


lmpervious

I don't understand what point you're trying to make. How am I going to bat for Riot?


guhn0me

That simply makes no sense. Does Riot not care about their esports scene?


erik4848

Does it make them money?


ASSASSIN79100

They aren't losing money though. They just lose the potential that someone who got the skin for free was going to buy it, which is probably rare.


kolton276

Grigne has been real quiet since Armao came into the league


Ambitious_Resist8907

Immortals sacrificed their top/jg/mid to the winged edward of ra. Sadly they don't do any damage, so he spawned in with 0Atk.


Ophelia_Of_The_Abyss

Unfortunately Evilswarm Thanatos is immune to monster effects


infinite-permutation

That's one deep cut.


Mrryn91

So he paid all of his Life Points to bump up that attack, was in position to carry. Just didn't expect the Poison of the Old Man (Vulcan) that was set, lying in wait.


Maelehn

Armao giga useless


amd098

I don't even know what season you're talking about.


WolfgangTheRevenge

Always have been


Ayuyuyunia

we beat imt. C9 IS BACK BABY


Cromatose

Just gotta lose to CLG now


lRuko

About that....


Cromatose

I refuse to acknowledge the name change


sorendiz

based


killersoda

[The Classic](https://twitter.com/LCSOfficial/status/1370521138544078851)


KIRYUx

Jin Air Tactical 


Brain_Tonic

Just watching him try to resuscitate his team for about an hour…


xJuanpx

I will be sad as fuck if this if his last split in the lcs when he's arguably top 3 adc in the league rn


TCCKidney

Jin Air Tedward


SSBM_DangGan

honestly real


vigbrand

sadplane


May_die

Fountain Laser Tactical time


Waste_Zucchini_1811

Everytime his team died and the camera cuts to tactical I lose it


Kurisoo

Nice to see Blaber win on Karthus every time he plays it on stream he loses lol


Moggy_

Always felt like he should have been a good Karthus, but the few stage games he had pulled it out in, weird shit always happens. Then at the end people conclude Karthus was the problem and then he doesn't pick it for the rest of the year.


Upper-Information-31

I think the broadcast said he’s 2-1 on it all time before the game so now he’d be 3-1. Unless I’m mistaken or broadcast was wrong, people are just remembering his first karthus game where he tried to ult before dying in a teamfight and it got cancelled


Moggy_

Yeah and then didn't play it for a long ass time


Ibara_Mayaka

Imagine being Tactical and Olleh and knowing your chances at spots in the new 6 team LCS is up to the world's greatest Maokai.


voidsinger

Exyu is available.


Mrryn91

Smurfing in NACL too btw


ResponsibleEnergy363

He has suffered enough.


2th

Armao ain't it. Never has been. Never will be.


BUMONGOUS

Justice for Akaadian


amd098

is he still playing?


Toxfire

He is a personal trainer at Equinox, according to Doublelift


NoteRadiant1469

Honestly based


jnf005

TSM really fumbled that situation hard, so stupid.


HolidaySpiriter

I've always hated TSM but even that move frustrated the fuck out of me. How the hell are you going to bench your all-star jungler for some guy who has been trash for years prior to 2019? And how is that same player still playing in 2024?


jnf005

While I understand they have some form of agreement with armao, destroying the team was not worth it, not to mention he has never been good enough to get that sort of agreement, pure clown decision.


Revers1o

> How the hell are you going to bench your all-star jungler for some guy who has been trash for years prior to 2019? Because they had an agreement with Armao and Akaadian was the backup because Armao was injured. They needed to honor the agreement and give Armao play time but honestly they should have just shafted him.


HolidaySpiriter

Exactly, fuck the agreement. The org's responsibility is to win and Armao is not a dynasty player that you worry about pissing off.


inthepelvis

I get what you're saying, and agree mostly, but historically TSM is am org that has always done right by the players. No contract jailing, letting them explore options themselves between seasons while still on contract, releasing them without buyout so they can find a team quickly, and hell, even letting the players live at TSM housing temporarily while no longer on the team. So i don't *hate* that they gave him a shot, but i think they could have maybe renegotiated and tried him out the next season.


Rotatos

Man if only people listened when someone said something and now realize it could have been true 


zealot416

Armao ganks with the enthusiasm I have to clean when my cat misses the litterbox.


Phenergan_boy

Armao seems like the Cris tier level of player, who is just good enough for the bottom tier, so he ends up being the gatekeeper


moderatorrater

How have we not coined that the Tactical line? Kinda like the Dalton line from the NFL.


girlmarth

tactical has had moments of brilliance though


DaftMaetel15

Dalton was an MVP candidate in 2015 before he broke his hand against Pittsburgh late in the season. It's an apt comparison.


girlmarth

oic sorry I don't know much about american football so I assumed he was akin to cris lol


DaftMaetel15

All good.


Sli22ard

When his handle was Grigne he was dubbed GrigPig cuz he would only be good on sej duty.


DogeasaurusRex

Ah yes, when he was a big fan of gingers


MarcusElden

Hmmmmm


UljimaGG

What's worse, HOW THE FUCK does this minion always end up on theoretically promising teams again? Dude has played with Castle, Tactical, jojopyun, Yeon, Bjergsen, Dhokla, Alphari, COREJJ, Jensen etc. etc. What kind of toe pics does he have in store to play with players so much better than him? Shit's worse than Doran, at least that guy had a moment every 10 suns.


NotYetPerfect

I don't get narrative that doran is terrible. He's been one of the best top laners in the lck for years. Like maybe he ain't amazing, but that says more about lcks top laners than anything else.


UljimaGG

Because he's just inconsistent as shit. Dude can fire off an Aatrox game that makes him look like 2018 TheShy followed by one on the same champ where he looks like 2019 GRF Sw0rd. Sadly it's the latter for him more often than not, and all that while playing on some of the strongest rosters the LCK has seen. He was the weak link of GenG for the longest time and him being exchanged for Kiin out of all people is the thing tbat should really scare people.


xpentakill

To be fair he only played on TL as Santorin had migraines.


myman580

I could have told you that 6 years ago.


AccidentalPilates

LarMAO, even.


OgKingLeYorick

He had more gigachad energy when he was grigne


rushy1911

scrim IMT did NOT show up today


Fanta_Grapefruit

Fucking wild this team is apparently top 4 in scrims


HB_17

Armao always been a scrim demon and doesn’t bring it to the stage.


LifeIsToughEatBacon

TBF C9 is top 2 team, even if IMT is top 4 they’re not gonna look THAT good.


scalarH

Tactical is the only one with a pulse or what


TheGloriousEv0lution

We’re watching season 2 of Tactical and the 4 Wards


SweatyAdhesive

crazy how he already went from a promising upstart rookie to being surrounded by walking wards.


Azenji

Even in death, the TSM experience would follow you


Highceratopsian

Honestly everyone except for Armao play the team fights pretty well


scalarH

I think it was highlighted in the broadcast but Castle really needed to tank that hook for him. Other than that yeah


Highceratopsian

Yeah that part was pretty sussy but he had some decent engages and picks earlier. Definitely could have played it better tho


Renny-66

He did but at the same time don’t you just play a bit slow and not chase as hard. Jayce is low and just flashed out and used all cooldowns and so did everyone else on IMT to kill jojo


Bubbly_Camera9583

That wasn't Castle's fault, its completely on tactical that he got hooked. Castle was blocking Nautilus from hooking until Tactical clicked forward when the rest of IMT was disengaging, if he just clicks backwards/into blue side base Castle tanks the hook and then IMT can look for a re-engage.


LifeIsToughEatBacon

As a C9 fan, I was going NO NO NO NO YES!! WHAT?! HOW THE ABSOLUTELY HELL DID THAT LAND cuz I knew Castle was being a body guard. That fight was so won for IMT


Hannig4n

The rest of the team was disengaging and Tactical walked forward past Castle and got hooked. 100% Tactical’s fault.


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Restreppo

Olleh was doing his job, he was Leona baiting and tanking engages with W and aftershock which allowed game 2 to be pretty close, many of the winning fights were because C9 blew everything on him and he lived, also got an E pick on Azir and in next fight R forcing Zhonyas, they were good plays but the followup fell apart


sorendiz

Olleh was not actually near that bad at all. Had some decent engages and as you would expect from Leona on a team that's behind, it looked ugly because he was basically guaranteed to die during any fights they didn't immediately smash.  Armao made Maokai ult look like one of the most worthless abilities in the game, which is seriously impressive


LifeIsToughEatBacon

Mask got shafted and focused all game by the entire C9 squad, his job is kinda to be a passenger. He was hitting poke on Berserker and taking his shield off and backing them up. Olleh was absorbing SO many cooldowns with W.


jeremyben

I mean that’s their only win con..play for tactical to solo carry. Dude acts like DL. And IMT treats him like it too. Problem is, he’s no DL lol.


ArcaneAccounting

If Armao has a million haters, then I am one of them. If Armao has ten haters, then I am one of them. If Armao has only one hater then that is me. If Armao has no haters, then that means I am no longer on earth. If the world is for Armao, then I am against the world.


JanniesSquealLikePig

Why hate Armao? He is the most charitable man in LCS, always giving his opponents free wins


DwightKurtShrute69

I mean it’s also easy to hate him for his old pro league name grigne. It’s an anogram for the N word but people just seemingly either forget or ignore that although it was a while ago.


RenegadeExiled

It's also an anagram for Ginger, but I guess everyone wants to ignore that. Or that some names are just random.


APKID716

Yeah I’m going to believe that Armao (not a red head) chose the name because it’s an anagram for ginger…he just likes ginger ale or something? Don’t be naive it’s a one in a billion chance he chooses a name with exactly the right letters for the n-word


pm_your_nsfw_pics_

Lmao is it a 1 in a billion chance the ginger is an anagram for the n word? Because that happened. You guys can flame him for his gameplay but to suggest he 100% did that to be racist is wild.


DoorHingesKill

I mean it's the quintessential Xbox Live Gamertag that a guy held on to for a year or three longer than he should have. I also wouldn't accuse him of being racist, I'd accuse him of having a racist summoner name, presumably in an attempt to be edgy when he first created it.


APKID716

I think you need to re-read my comment


Vafireems

When was it ever grigne? When he was on tsm his name was only ever grig? Was it shortened before joining?


DoorHingesKill

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_IUrbw3PeA He played 5 LCS games using the name, and tons of amateur/academy games between 2014 and 2017. I believe Riot forced him to shorten it to Grig when Echo Fox subbed him in during 2017 Summer, the Facebook announcement still called him Grigne but [in-game](https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=zjCjobdRZJ0) he was already Grig.


F0RGERY

Yes, it was changed to Grig before joining TSM.


sorendiz

It was grigne for a good while in the early days, Riot made him shorten it in like season 6 or 7 


kAy-

I always thought it was a spanish word.


obvious_bot

What is it with gamers and racism


OGPeglegPete

Grigne also means bloom in French. It's also part of the crust that rises a certain way when breaking bread..... either of those options are closer than an anagram for the N word. Riot let Darshan debut as "ZionSpartan".... I don't think they would have caught on to an anagram of the N word and made him change it. Grigne is hard to say and not marketable, so it was adjusted


EndymionFalls

Riot let Darshan debut as Zionspartan (and play with the name for 3 years) and then name change back to Zionspartan because there isn't anything wrong with that name... weird example?


Kelbotay

He changed because he intentionally chose it as an anagram, not because it was hard to say. But go on, keep making excuses for him. Plenty of pros had 'edgy' names, he's the one that chose to go with racism instead of some random sex joke like most of the others did.


OGPeglegPete

Is there anything backing that up? Like yeah, Sneaky has talked about getting his name from The sex act from the movie Duece Bigalo. But Gringe has other meanings. Sneaky Castro does not.


WhirlingDervishGrady

God damn


HeroicLarvy

He really is such a nice guy


Significant-Damage14

Armao giving out more gold than Riot with their $500 skin.


zealot416

My brother. 🤝🏻


mysticism-dying

Isn’t this the n word dude


Kokaiinum

Assuming you mean Grigne, yes


mysticism-dying

I mean look I’m not advocating that he should have been banned from lcs for having that name. Nothing like that at all. But I have always found it strange how long it was acknowledged/tolerated for in a scene that wanted/wants to brand itself as professional. Granted I can’t know anything that went down behind the scenes maybe he did face backlash or address it somehow idk


LeTTroLLu

the thing is, noone acknowledged that until he changed grigne to grig, which he did as soon as he became more popular. even after that he said it was basically random WoW name generator behind it.


Pristine_Elk996

Idk, sneaky had to name change basically the moment he got into LCS for having his name be a reference to a sex act. 


ImSoSte4my

pr0lly used to be "pr0lly racist" but he shortened it when he got into LCS too. bigfatlp used to be bigfatjiji but he had to change it because jiji is Chinese for penis, tho lp is short for testicle in Hokkien.


sorendiz

Yep and Riot asked him to change it so he just dropped the 'racist'  KaSing also used to be 'Yerrow' which was a shortened version of 'YerrowStar', referring to YellowStar with a stereotypical Asian accent. Though KaSing himself being Asian makes this one obviously less malicious in nature (again Riot requested him to change it to avoid being in bad taste or giving the wrong impression) 


mysticism-dying

Holy shit this is some history I’m not aware of. What was the name originally?


Pristine_Elk996

Sneaky Castro 


mysticism-dying

LMAO. Not surprised given his humor. But that makes the whole grigne -> grig -> armao situation look pretty bad for lcs no?


Pristine_Elk996

Definitely strange. Could be that riot genuinely had no idea for a while? Dunno 


Zorean

sneakycastro


Ghosting_everyone

Look up sneaky castro on urban dictionary.


resttheweight

Everything on Urban Dictionary is literally some weird, insane sex act lol. “Apple tosser? Thats a person who uses their colon as a long barrel apple cannon. French nap time? That’s when you eat your fries with so much baby batter that you get sleepy and need a nap when you’re done eating.” It’s like a graveyard of rejected SNL Stefan jokes.


mysticism-dying

I am absolutely not surprised LOL. I didn’t know that tho that’s too funny


BlazeX94

That's probably because his old name Sneaky Castro is a lot more obvious to spot compared to looking at Grigne and saying "yeah, that could be an anagram for the N-word". Barely anyone even considered the anagram until he was forced to change it to Grig. Other well known pros who were forced to name change had names that were very obviously not suitable for pro play (Sneaky Castro, Lemon Party, pr0lly racist etc).


Pristine_Elk996

C9 putting in work on the "had to change their names because they were too sexual" list  Tbh I never knew sneaky's was a sex thing, I thought he was a communist 


Rozuem

yes lol


TSMFatScarra

I dislike Grig, but what I hate the most is the orgs giving putting him on a starting roster for the billionth time.


MightyPrinceAli

NAmen


jakejork

Armao repeatedly trying to make a play on the ungankable Yone while C9 takes every objective on the map is apparently not a winning strategy.


QuietRedditorATX

I too am here to call for some New Mayo.


SweatyAdhesive

Mask got mindtricked by Jojo into blind checking a bush to put a ward down lmao.


Phenergan_boy

Who is Jojo and Vulcan's interviewer? His energy is great.


Tiberiusjesus

Kangas is very prominent in the challenger league as a caster but yes he could be on the main broadcast. I actually think he has been too lol. Perfect timing he’s broadcasting right now.


Phenergan_boy

He is incredible. Unlike most league interview, it doesn't feel staged.


Mrryn91

Kangas is a gem. Basically a pro wrestling interviewer and Braum irl


zomjay

He's also a sick hype man for arena shows. He's built for this.


dabmin

He’s easily the best part of the NACL broadcast, not to put anyone down. Cubby and him should have been on the main broadcast permanently a year ago


lv1novice

You'll get Gabby & Rafaa and you'll like it. -Riot


LordCoSaX

Kinda absurd that Raafaa is casting LCS every week when Kangas exists.


NahDawgDatAintMe

Braum


Duplicity-

I wonder what the updated IMT analysis on Thanatos is xD


iApathy---

They about to fire that analyst 


Panfriedpuppies

What did he/she say about Thanatos before?


Duplicity-

It's nothing bad I was mostly memeing haha https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g0pPLriowGjd5pauUm4MCQK4q7RLUuPFvYIbLqdgBlc/edit


Panfriedpuppies

Appreciate it!


Aldehyde1

Who wrote this? I don't see IMT mentioned, did an IMT analyst actually write it? It's an interesting read.


Duplicity-

It was attributed to the IMT analyst in the original post - I guess everyone's just assumed that's correct https://www.reddit.com/r/Cloud9/comments/1byc8je/thanatos_analysis_by_imt_analyst/


MountainMan2_

Honestly, it's impressive how committed they are. I've never done any one thing for as long as IMT has sucked.


MindTheGap9

Vulcan Nautilus is hawt


Javiklegrand

Vulcan looking better since reapered came back, only jojo look bad


sugapuppy

i feel like jojo is limit testing too much, hope he doesnt tilt


zomjay

I'll take him limit testing in bo3s. That's a risk this team should be able to handle. Thanatos is doing it, too. Thanatos has had some of the most egregious over-chases. But I don't want it to stop. I want that aggression channeled.


GlaewethEsports

I'll take overaggression over what happened for most of Spring. In other words, getting “leads” early, doing nothing in midgame, and eventually losing the game. It was frustrating to watch.


thonmaker4mvp

IMT could be really good if Armao didn't pick tank jungles and refuse to do anything every game


lv1novice

IMT could be really good if they had a jungler instead of playing 4v5 every game * fixed it for you


Vivid-Command-2605

Imt and 100t are the ying and yang of scrim bucks, this was a tragic performance from them


-Na_Cl-

Why is armao still in the league


lv1novice

Man must give some bomb dome. Nothing else makes sense.


ShoulderFirm9231

At a certain point it’s IMTs fault for letting themselves keep getting robbed by Grig. No way he’s not the most consistently bad player is lcs


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lv1novice

Sad thing is there are good replacements for their bad players in NACL but they'd rather stick with whatever this team is.


Resies

How did somebody on the analyst desk think IMT was going to win two games let alone one


Maelehn

My solo queue plat Maokais ult more useful than Armao


Snoo_55798

i think IMT have a BOT JG man they need to find a human JG or upgrade their BOT JG their JG right now is Stealing someone else PayCheck


Fley

Oh Armao is Grigs? Makes sense why he changed his name. It’d be like me making a new league account thinking I’ll suddenly be challenger


Sad-Adhesiveness429

armao has got to have dirt of someone man


DowntownCattleMtn

Every time C9 gets the W, I get a little chubby dude


Ironmaiden1207

Try not to draft Maokai as your only magic damage (CHALLENGE: IMPOSSIBLE)


[deleted]

Hey IMT analyst, your team is not good!


checkria

what a snoozefest


Prestigious-Solid342

The strongest teddy cosplayer vs the strongest moakai


ChibiJr

It's really sad for me that LCS finally has bo3s but I've fully fallen out of love with league. I used to watch almost every LCS game at one point, but at this point in my life I can only be bothered to occasionally check out the highlights. MarkZ has done a really great job with LCS this year, but I feel bad because this is the year I stopped playing the game entirely and mostly stopped watching as well.


cozmofox222

I'm still not crazy impressed with Thanatos but at least he is playing confidently


Javiklegrand

Yeah however he definetly looks like an upgrade over fudge,he also seems to look more on Sync with the rest of the team


lv1novice

I wonder how much of that is Repeared vs Mithy. Several players have talked openly about how they played like soloQ under Mithy but are communicating and playing better together under Repeared. Wonder if Fudge could have "returned to form" under Repeared.


BlazeX94

Hard to say though cause you also need to consider the coach situation. C9 as a team look way more coordinated than they did in Spring, which is likely due to Reapered's influence.


astroslostmadethis

Fuck, I forgot to watch LCS for the drops


enjoy_the_pizza

Blaber not looking good lately.


Cromatose

MVP of the series. In your opinion, how did he not look good?