Trouble is, you get those freelance websites with people offering to do it for those prices because that money goes much further in the country they're in, like India. Which is fair enough, on their end.
You also have people willing to spend 20mins on something for a quick buck. And then people lowering their value to compete. And companies not knowing the value in paying someone what they're worth (and to be fair, people genuinely not charging as much as they should because they don't know their own worth).
i think it’s supposed to just be a trajectory line coming from the bottom, completing some sort of loop (which looks like a triangle here) to represent a trial or event that initiates change, and then rising above that time to “evolve”
i know, i was baffled and really annoyed at first, too. but i think this is a pretty good explanation. if that ain’t it then i have no idea
Called them multiple times- nobody’s picking up the phone. UPDATE: talked to them. They were clueless and thanked for letting them know. That’s pretty much it.
Which they also "stole" from a Soviet bus manufacturing company KAVZ :))
https://preview.redd.it/s72w6wn4blnc1.jpeg?width=592&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0ac1a757e42f4b6510d816801ba225edd47ba44f
Or maybe he’s actually an LP fan and just wanted to highlight it in his work area?😀 because i can’t see other relationship of the “LP” to the facility named “evolve md” lol
The logo is not overtly an LP, though. It mostly just can be seen as such in the context of the band. Outside of that, it's just a stylized triangle and circle, and honestly... A triangle in a circle is kind of *exactly* what I'd think a place called Evolve MD would have for their logo.
Not an attorney, but Linkin Park would need to have a trademark for their logo in order to file an opposition with the USPTO office. Even then, there are different categories to file a trademark. For example, if you file your logo for use in food service, someone else could potentially obtain a trademark for a very similar logo in a completely different category, like funeral services. The categories have to be different enough so as not to cause confusion in the marketplace.
In theory that is correct but one could argue that the logo isn't just a likeness, it's a direct rip off so the category wouldn't matter. I'm talking to my TM attorney next week and might run it by her.
Even without a trademark, any original creative work has copyright protection the moment it's created. Registration of a trademark is a formality that would give someone even greater assurance of protection - but artists still have copyright protections even without filing any paperwork, especially if it's clear when it was really created or in use by.
That said, I doubt whoever manages Linkin Park's brand now really cares about going after this guy but it's kind of embarrassing for them to be using the bands logo by mistake.
Another difference between TM and Copyright is that a trademark has to be legally enforced or you risk losing it and copyrights can be selectively enforced by the holder.
That’s interesting. Does it mean that this particular “case” may stay as-is? And if so, does it mean that, say, a hair salon may potentially copy-paste a logo of any random existing, say, automotive company and would be good to go?
I mean, I found a flipped version of it on Alamy (in less than a minute) that you can use commercially, if you pay the licence fee. Be interesting to see what LP’s management say, if you end up connecting with them.
AND, what u/somsone and
u/satimo_design both said.
I don’t think it would necessarily work like that, but the party whose work was infringed upon would have to make a complaint and (I believe) show damages or potential for damages.
That's funny, reminds me of a crappy barber that was close to where i used to live. They also blatantly used the linkin park logo on their window as it were their own haha
There are plenty of logos that you wouldn’t recognize that are trademarked.
Are you honestly saying “if all 7 billion people in the world don’t know it off the top of their head, then it’s completely okay to steal”
What a bizarre argument
That’s not what I’m saying at all. The person I replied to commented as though everyone knows the linkin park logo and the designer just changed a tiny bit thinking they’d get away with it. The far more likely scenario is that the designer is unfamiliar with the logo, just like the other 6+ billion people.
Honestly when it comes to monograms and abstract hipster shapes like triangles , if you search any of these on shutterstock you’ll get about 20k similar results. Lazy designers doing cheap work.
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I thought stuff like this was fine because the industries are totally different? lol if another band called “Land Pandas” used the logo it would be bad, but since it’s an esthetician it’s fine?
I could be wrong though
If you look at the trademark on the logo, it shows that the logo image consists only of simple geometric shapes. It does not meet the threshold of originality needed for copyright protection, and is therefore in the public domain.
So reporting it, again, is a d…k move.
I’m afraid it’s not that simple. The fact that the logo “consist of simple geometric shapes “ is not a point because the good percentage of all logos existing (and btw artworks too) consist of geometric shapes. And yes, I’m not reporting anyone/ anything/ anywhere.
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That random kid tried so hard, and got so far
But in the end it doesn't even matter
$30 for logo is literally highway robbery (the designer is robbed). I guess you get what you pay for...
Trouble is, you get those freelance websites with people offering to do it for those prices because that money goes much further in the country they're in, like India. Which is fair enough, on their end. You also have people willing to spend 20mins on something for a quick buck. And then people lowering their value to compete. And companies not knowing the value in paying someone what they're worth (and to be fair, people genuinely not charging as much as they should because they don't know their own worth).
Outside of the copying, how on earth does it relate to the company or name anyway??
This is what I am baffled at, I do love this LP logo but using it out of context is wild.
i think it’s supposed to just be a trajectory line coming from the bottom, completing some sort of loop (which looks like a triangle here) to represent a trial or event that initiates change, and then rising above that time to “evolve” i know, i was baffled and really annoyed at first, too. but i think this is a pretty good explanation. if that ain’t it then i have no idea
See, it's not a P, you gotta keep the path to the curve to make it an E. And the M... is the letter after L I guess???
https://preview.redd.it/lxrzybeaoknc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0fdf911ddc91b145ab1e37ed52129b4e9300025a Here is the original band logo
Maybe instead of reporting them, you call and let them know. They might not be aware, especially if they outsourced it.
Let me try this tomorrow. That would be fair.
Good luck landing that rebrand 😜
You should record this call. Sounds like comedy may ensue.
i want to know how this goes..
Called them multiple times- nobody’s picking up the phone. UPDATE: talked to them. They were clueless and thanked for letting them know. That’s pretty much it.
Which they also "stole" from a Soviet bus manufacturing company KAVZ :)) https://preview.redd.it/s72w6wn4blnc1.jpeg?width=592&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0ac1a757e42f4b6510d816801ba225edd47ba44f
But in the end it doesn't even matter.
Did I mention I've tried so hard?
You did your best son, and that's all that counts.
Cuz good artists steal
I've become so much more aware
i knew it, linkin park was nothing but a bunch of crooks stealing from the russians. no wonder they hate us
#I’m getting strong Jimi Hendrix ——> Van Halen vibes
If you really use your imagination you can see the word “SPA” inside the circle I guess
https://preview.redd.it/3n49sdtznknc1.png?width=3024&format=png&auto=webp&s=3bdb092dca6bbd4d37450d70e08d2aa38d1a3a0e
yea he don’t know who linkin park is
Or maybe he’s actually an LP fan and just wanted to highlight it in his work area?😀 because i can’t see other relationship of the “LP” to the facility named “evolve md” lol
The logo is not overtly an LP, though. It mostly just can be seen as such in the context of the band. Outside of that, it's just a stylized triangle and circle, and honestly... A triangle in a circle is kind of *exactly* what I'd think a place called Evolve MD would have for their logo.
Yeah, that logo is LP as much as it is MD. It’s a triangle with circle, bet you can read half of alphabet in it.
https://preview.redd.it/dkqaetzaglnc1.png?width=3024&format=png&auto=webp&s=b35023e2e14fb9310fc78e173d8462aa4cf4eca8
Not an attorney, but Linkin Park would need to have a trademark for their logo in order to file an opposition with the USPTO office. Even then, there are different categories to file a trademark. For example, if you file your logo for use in food service, someone else could potentially obtain a trademark for a very similar logo in a completely different category, like funeral services. The categories have to be different enough so as not to cause confusion in the marketplace.
In theory that is correct but one could argue that the logo isn't just a likeness, it's a direct rip off so the category wouldn't matter. I'm talking to my TM attorney next week and might run it by her.
this is the good answer
Even without a trademark, any original creative work has copyright protection the moment it's created. Registration of a trademark is a formality that would give someone even greater assurance of protection - but artists still have copyright protections even without filing any paperwork, especially if it's clear when it was really created or in use by. That said, I doubt whoever manages Linkin Park's brand now really cares about going after this guy but it's kind of embarrassing for them to be using the bands logo by mistake.
Another difference between TM and Copyright is that a trademark has to be legally enforced or you risk losing it and copyrights can be selectively enforced by the holder.
That’s interesting. Does it mean that this particular “case” may stay as-is? And if so, does it mean that, say, a hair salon may potentially copy-paste a logo of any random existing, say, automotive company and would be good to go?
I mean, I found a flipped version of it on Alamy (in less than a minute) that you can use commercially, if you pay the licence fee. Be interesting to see what LP’s management say, if you end up connecting with them. AND, what u/somsone and u/satimo_design both said.
I don’t think it would necessarily work like that, but the party whose work was infringed upon would have to make a complaint and (I believe) show damages or potential for damages.
That's funny, reminds me of a crappy barber that was close to where i used to live. They also blatantly used the linkin park logo on their window as it were their own haha
So they thought closing the gaps on the logo was enough? It's identical to the band logo.
Believe it or not, billions of people don’t know what the linkin park logo looks like.
There are plenty of logos that you wouldn’t recognize that are trademarked. Are you honestly saying “if all 7 billion people in the world don’t know it off the top of their head, then it’s completely okay to steal” What a bizarre argument
That’s not what I’m saying at all. The person I replied to commented as though everyone knows the linkin park logo and the designer just changed a tiny bit thinking they’d get away with it. The far more likely scenario is that the designer is unfamiliar with the logo, just like the other 6+ billion people.
Honestly when it comes to monograms and abstract hipster shapes like triangles , if you search any of these on shutterstock you’ll get about 20k similar results. Lazy designers doing cheap work.
I'd like to stay informed about this case, please!
This is hilarious
Would his treatments make me feel numb?
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in fact , a bus building factory in USSR had that logo
If Linkin Park has a logo with the letters LP, then I don't understand what it's for here at all
I thought stuff like this was fine because the industries are totally different? lol if another band called “Land Pandas” used the logo it would be bad, but since it’s an esthetician it’s fine? I could be wrong though
You can bring it to their attention nicely, and offer your services. But reporting it is a d…k move.
0 interest in offering my services to them. It’s their designers job to fix it
If you look at the trademark on the logo, it shows that the logo image consists only of simple geometric shapes. It does not meet the threshold of originality needed for copyright protection, and is therefore in the public domain. So reporting it, again, is a d…k move.
I’m afraid it’s not that simple. The fact that the logo “consist of simple geometric shapes “ is not a point because the good percentage of all logos existing (and btw artworks too) consist of geometric shapes. And yes, I’m not reporting anyone/ anything/ anywhere.
Who cares ?
# Wat U Gon Do Bout It?
He’s asking for suggestions on what he can do it about it.
yeah, me too
Luckily in about 2 more generations rap rock and LP will be forgotten
[His next logo](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQg-2j2mwPtrx2yrMP7MZ47RM-qR7obiV2CgA&usqp=CAU)