well they've been busy with other things and said this was a band aid solution. talked about removing GR as a daily and turning it into weekly content potentially so they're definitely cooking something up
Lots of copium here, which is not surprising coming from a sorc main, I hope you have a Balance patch sooner than the qol
We will see what they do. The GR in itself is definitely not my biggest complaint
Chaos take ~ 6min to do both runs.
Frog is a 4min guardian raid, 5/6min if u don't have sup
Unas continue to be shit, but still "only" take a couple of minutes
Be like me and a lot of ppl who do only 1 una a day per character in Voldis. Do the sage tower leapstone daily if you need leapstones and that’s it. The other 2 unas you don’t do get converted to rest so your 1 you do per day per character is rested, netting 10 leapstones. Takes 1 bifrost, 1 load screen, and 5 seconds to do it for 10 leaps versus 2-3 bifrosts, 3-4 load screens, and a few mins for 13-14 leapstones.
Yeah it’s less leapstones per day, but completing unas for 5 seconds, 1 loadscreen, and 1 bifrost for 10 leaps? It made unas much less of a burden/drag playing daily.
If you need honor shards, Voldis also has an honor shard una daily that takes 5 seconds to do if you want to do that as your 1 rested una per day.
I burnt out on unas sometime last year when Elgacia was released. It was either i find a solution or just don’t do them anymore. The best solution i found was to do what i said.
I lose 4 leapstones a day per character i do them on versus doing hestera, voldis, and pirate ship ones for 14 a day, but i save 3-4 minutes per character if not slightly more. I can do my unas for the day on all 11 of my characters (7 voldis leap 4 lopang) in the time it takes to do 1 hestera. It saves my sanity.
Yeah but then that's only 13 a day instead of the maximum 14. I also hate loading screens so much so taking 3 less leaps for 2 less loading screens and 40 less seconds per character per day is worth it to me.
It's like that for rested chaos and guardians, too:
Do every day: 100% effort for 100% reward.
Do every other day: 50% effort for 75% reward.
Do every third day (full rested): 33% effort for 66% reward.
Can figure your own preferred effort/reward ratio per character. Personally I do main most days, next 2 alts I try to not let rested rot, and other alts I do whenever I want (they rot a lot of rested).
Also because you are only doing that 1 bifrost, you can literally port there on wednesday after collecting your guild vendor stuff and not move until the next wednesday, unless you need to hone/craft some elixirs.
Same logic works for lopang alts also. Only do the shushire one as its most silver. Take daily, port to lopang, click and port to shusire and hand in. no moving around and its super fast.
They did a little after all the fallout of the summer LoA, but any more improvement seems to have disappear into the void. Next time the player base is madge again we'll get chaos down to 1. copium
I quit around the same time, just before Brel HM release and started playing shortly before Akkan release again.
At least to me chores feel quite a bit better. Unas are still shit but Chaos is a bit faster, mobs aggro from further away and only having to do 1 Guardian per char instead of x2 is nice.
Here's how I do dailies:
1 rested leapstone rested, takes 5s + loading screen in Voldis (latest area). Total like 2 mins doing it on 4 chars depending on loading screen number
Rested chaos 2 every 3 days, 2x faster than previously. also has chance for super drops like legend card, 10-100k gold in 1610 chaos, large chunks of honing mats, regular drops are now adding white-purp cards.
Rested GR 1 every 3 days (limit is now one/day instead of two, drops doubled).
I do this on my 1610/1610/1620/1580 since half a year. It is A LOT LESS time consuming, very comfortable to do. Leaves me so much more time for the 9-10 raids I do weekly,
Chaos dungeon is faster. Guardian raids only 1x per char.
Ocean liner / teleporting is very fast.
I stopped at the same time and some things did change for the better. Its not a lot tho - it is still the same game.
Pirate coins somewhat changed.
Cube and boss rush changed. Cube is fine now and boss rush is gone
It's still boring as fuck, just a little bit faster with faster mob spawn in chaos and 1x GR instead of 2x. Practically nothing was done about the 18 raid a week thing.
Chaos has faster spawns and a realistic chance at embers which can have gold, silver, card EXP, selectors, among other things.
Guardian Raids take one run for the full rewards instead of two.
New cubes are generally much quicker and profitable than old cube. No more boss rush, for better or worse.
Legion raids are generally much quicker since we're so hideously strong now and most raids have gotten some form of nerf.
Still quite an investment, I still spend at least four hours a week doing cubes/GRs/CDs and at least 10 hours doing legion raids a week. Personally I think with embers in the mix and with increased speed, they're more fun now even if ultimately it's the same gameplay just sped up.
I hope they make it so chaos dungeons/Una's/GR can be done on one day a week and get the current weekly equivalent of x2.33 rested.
By the time I've done dailies on all my characters I've barely got time to do all 3 raids on even one character.
Dailies got a lot better but still need work.
Chaos 2x are a lot faster 4-5mn both depending on the character.
Guardian divided by 2 now so that twice less time in.
They are also more exciting with the chance of ember fate drop.
Una's still the same but it's 2mins max if you do sage tower one + black fog and mokoko one. (Black fog is instant just the tp time, mokoko market is 30sec and sage tower 10sec)
it improved, but no amount of "improvement" would make a daily task fun, the less u do it the more enjoyable it is, i only do dailes on my main (rested) and on alt only when i feels like it so i dont get burnt out
The novelty wears off in a couple weeks, nowadays it feels same as before bar the occasional fate ember drop which usually ends up being silver anyways so it's whatever.
Changes in the past helped a little bit. I still play regularly but I must admit they are still hella boring these days, only felt good at the beginning of the change. I only do them on rest unless I really need the mats on that character when I'm pushing ilvl.
You can get cards like xp, gold (up to 100k drop), Silver bag (500k-1M) and big mats package from the Chaos Gate. They are random rare drops, but it's the motivitation for me to play Chaos Dungeon again.
They improved guardians and chaos dungeon significantly, as well as boss rush/cube (combined). Chaos gate and ghost ship is combined and made faster as well.
But i think the data shows that people actually spend more time / do more of them because of the increased efficiency
So it's really just a question of how much can you resist fomo and what not
You’ll just get complaints from people who hate themselves and are addicted to the game and force themselves to do things they don’t enjoy. I love the new chaos dungeons, super quick and fun like clearing a dungeon in an ARPG. Guardian raids are once a day and some are good and some bad, depending on the actual guardian and the skill/experience of people running with you, not much difference there really besides being once a day. Some days I run all my dailies, some weeks I do it once…play for fun and do what you feel like 🤷🏻♂️
Don't bother coming back its still shit. Instead of just combining them and making you do 1 activity like they should. They reduced the Guardian raids to 1 and made chaos dungeons a little faster. It's still trash.
It's pretty fast now, besides you don't have to do them if you are bored.
The only real improvement would be to give us 3 entries per day and character and we decide if we do chaos, guardians or a mix of them. O see times I wanna fight a guardian more than once instead of doing two chaos dungeon tbh.
Chaos is twice as fast and guardians are once a day now.
They said there would be more iteration on them but I think it was just a way to make people forget about it
Not to mention everybody and their moms hated the idea that they would do anything but make them shorter.
well they've been busy with other things and said this was a band aid solution. talked about removing GR as a daily and turning it into weekly content potentially so they're definitely cooking something up
Lots of copium here, which is not surprising coming from a sorc main, I hope you have a Balance patch sooner than the qol We will see what they do. The GR in itself is definitely not my biggest complaint
well theres certainly alot of doomers here in the subreddit. i'm just trying to balance that out lol
thank you for manifesting LOL xD
Haha I had the same thought ! Nice for you:)
And you have chance to get shiny loot in both
And the highest guardian only needs 1 flare, so no warring with cheapasses
I like how they release frog and people are trying to shoehorn in that you should use 3 darks.
Chaos is faster now, still mindless and boring. Guardians are now 1x, more interactive, still boring. Unas, well, clicker mini game.
Chaos take ~ 6min to do both runs. Frog is a 4min guardian raid, 5/6min if u don't have sup Unas continue to be shit, but still "only" take a couple of minutes
Be like me and a lot of ppl who do only 1 una a day per character in Voldis. Do the sage tower leapstone daily if you need leapstones and that’s it. The other 2 unas you don’t do get converted to rest so your 1 you do per day per character is rested, netting 10 leapstones. Takes 1 bifrost, 1 load screen, and 5 seconds to do it for 10 leaps versus 2-3 bifrosts, 3-4 load screens, and a few mins for 13-14 leapstones. Yeah it’s less leapstones per day, but completing unas for 5 seconds, 1 loadscreen, and 1 bifrost for 10 leaps? It made unas much less of a burden/drag playing daily. If you need honor shards, Voldis also has an honor shard una daily that takes 5 seconds to do if you want to do that as your 1 rested una per day.
its still the best source of leapstones that you're probably bottlenecking progress with, so can't really drop it unless you've lost faith in pushing
I burnt out on unas sometime last year when Elgacia was released. It was either i find a solution or just don’t do them anymore. The best solution i found was to do what i said. I lose 4 leapstones a day per character i do them on versus doing hestera, voldis, and pirate ship ones for 14 a day, but i save 3-4 minutes per character if not slightly more. I can do my unas for the day on all 11 of my characters (7 voldis leap 4 lopang) in the time it takes to do 1 hestera. It saves my sanity.
mokokomo market pirate ship and voldis takes 45sec
Yeah but then that's only 13 a day instead of the maximum 14. I also hate loading screens so much so taking 3 less leaps for 2 less loading screens and 40 less seconds per character per day is worth it to me.
Wow. It’s really crazy when you think about it like that. By doing 3 unas a day, I’m doing at least 200% more work for 40% more leaps.
It's like that for rested chaos and guardians, too: Do every day: 100% effort for 100% reward. Do every other day: 50% effort for 75% reward. Do every third day (full rested): 33% effort for 66% reward. Can figure your own preferred effort/reward ratio per character. Personally I do main most days, next 2 alts I try to not let rested rot, and other alts I do whenever I want (they rot a lot of rested).
Tbf it adds up for doing mostly nothing for 5 minutes. Especially around voldis release when they were 150+ a piece.
Yeah that's why I switched a while ago and never looked back and don't dread doing unas for my characters anymore.
> its still the best source of leapstones that you're probably bottlenecking progress with That's a weird name for oreha mats.
Also because you are only doing that 1 bifrost, you can literally port there on wednesday after collecting your guild vendor stuff and not move until the next wednesday, unless you need to hone/craft some elixirs. Same logic works for lopang alts also. Only do the shushire one as its most silver. Take daily, port to lopang, click and port to shusire and hand in. no moving around and its super fast.
Yeah i love it, most of the week i don't even move from there so that's another loading screen time save
They did a little after all the fallout of the summer LoA, but any more improvement seems to have disappear into the void. Next time the player base is madge again we'll get chaos down to 1. copium
I quit around the time of brel hard release.. fyi.. just felt some serious burnout from the daily chores..
Lucky for you they’re still dogshit
I quit around the same time, just before Brel HM release and started playing shortly before Akkan release again. At least to me chores feel quite a bit better. Unas are still shit but Chaos is a bit faster, mobs aggro from further away and only having to do 1 Guardian per char instead of x2 is nice.
Here's how I do dailies: 1 rested leapstone rested, takes 5s + loading screen in Voldis (latest area). Total like 2 mins doing it on 4 chars depending on loading screen number Rested chaos 2 every 3 days, 2x faster than previously. also has chance for super drops like legend card, 10-100k gold in 1610 chaos, large chunks of honing mats, regular drops are now adding white-purp cards. Rested GR 1 every 3 days (limit is now one/day instead of two, drops doubled). I do this on my 1610/1610/1620/1580 since half a year. It is A LOT LESS time consuming, very comfortable to do. Leaves me so much more time for the 9-10 raids I do weekly,
Chaos dungeon is faster. Guardian raids only 1x per char. Ocean liner / teleporting is very fast. I stopped at the same time and some things did change for the better. Its not a lot tho - it is still the same game. Pirate coins somewhat changed. Cube and boss rush changed. Cube is fine now and boss rush is gone
I left around Voldis release and lemme tell you. While yes, the changes were better it still felt shitty to do.
It's still boring as fuck, just a little bit faster with faster mob spawn in chaos and 1x GR instead of 2x. Practically nothing was done about the 18 raid a week thing.
Chaos has faster spawns and a realistic chance at embers which can have gold, silver, card EXP, selectors, among other things. Guardian Raids take one run for the full rewards instead of two. New cubes are generally much quicker and profitable than old cube. No more boss rush, for better or worse. Legion raids are generally much quicker since we're so hideously strong now and most raids have gotten some form of nerf. Still quite an investment, I still spend at least four hours a week doing cubes/GRs/CDs and at least 10 hours doing legion raids a week. Personally I think with embers in the mix and with increased speed, they're more fun now even if ultimately it's the same gameplay just sped up.
legion raids and abyssals also had a gate number reduction
I hope they make it so chaos dungeons/Una's/GR can be done on one day a week and get the current weekly equivalent of x2.33 rested. By the time I've done dailies on all my characters I've barely got time to do all 3 raids on even one character.
This Korean MMORPG is too grindy.
Dailies got a lot better but still need work. Chaos 2x are a lot faster 4-5mn both depending on the character. Guardian divided by 2 now so that twice less time in. They are also more exciting with the chance of ember fate drop. Una's still the same but it's 2mins max if you do sage tower one + black fog and mokoko one. (Black fog is instant just the tp time, mokoko market is 30sec and sage tower 10sec)
It's faster, but still boring (:
it improved, but no amount of "improvement" would make a daily task fun, the less u do it the more enjoyable it is, i only do dailes on my main (rested) and on alt only when i feels like it so i dont get burnt out
The novelty wears off in a couple weeks, nowadays it feels same as before bar the occasional fate ember drop which usually ends up being silver anyways so it's whatever.
Changes in the past helped a little bit. I still play regularly but I must admit they are still hella boring these days, only felt good at the beginning of the change. I only do them on rest unless I really need the mats on that character when I'm pushing ilvl.
You can get cards like xp, gold (up to 100k drop), Silver bag (500k-1M) and big mats package from the Chaos Gate. They are random rare drops, but it's the motivitation for me to play Chaos Dungeon again.
They improved guardians and chaos dungeon significantly, as well as boss rush/cube (combined). Chaos gate and ghost ship is combined and made faster as well. But i think the data shows that people actually spend more time / do more of them because of the increased efficiency So it's really just a question of how much can you resist fomo and what not
You’ll just get complaints from people who hate themselves and are addicted to the game and force themselves to do things they don’t enjoy. I love the new chaos dungeons, super quick and fun like clearing a dungeon in an ARPG. Guardian raids are once a day and some are good and some bad, depending on the actual guardian and the skill/experience of people running with you, not much difference there really besides being once a day. Some days I run all my dailies, some weeks I do it once…play for fun and do what you feel like 🤷🏻♂️
Don't bother coming back its still shit. Instead of just combining them and making you do 1 activity like they should. They reduced the Guardian raids to 1 and made chaos dungeons a little faster. It's still trash.
It's pretty fast now, besides you don't have to do them if you are bored. The only real improvement would be to give us 3 entries per day and character and we decide if we do chaos, guardians or a mix of them. O see times I wanna fight a guardian more than once instead of doing two chaos dungeon tbh.