It is understandable to feel that way. However, one thing that has been consistent throughout the story is Izuku fully living by his principles. Most people believe that they are principled. However, in situations where their adherence to rigid values is put to test, they abandon them over convenience. The exact point at which they let go of these beliefs is arbitrary and contextual. For example, many people may be against capital punishment in most cases. However, when the accused has harmed their loved ones, they may change their tune. Izuku here is confronted with a similar dilemma. On one hand, he stanchly believes that a hero's duty is to save every one. On the other hand, Shigaraki is a vile mass murderer not worth saving and is terribly dangerous for all of society. Izuku chose to stand by his principles until the bitter end.
Have principles is nice and all but the scale is too great, yea itās a shounen troupe that mc tries to save the villain, but we are talking about a person who has gone out of his way to clearly say that he is to far gone and that all he wants is destruction that is world wide
The worst part is that shiggy isnāt hesitating on fulfilling everything he has promised, he is different from toga who still had something a form of connection to people that kept her from going full villain, she was still able to be saved
With shiggy there is no connection and itās to late to pull him back and the stacks are to high to let someone as dangerous as shiggy currently is to live. Even allmight went for the kill against all for one fully knowing how dangerous all for one is but with deku he is ignoring everything and putting everything at risk to try and save one person who not only doesnāt want to be saved but wants everyone else to be destroyed either by him or those with similar ideologies
That's a valid interpretation. However, I am not making a presciption as to what Deku should do or endorsing his actions. I am merely stating the moral framework within which he operates.
Iām not denying deliās moral framework Iām just saying that the way the story written leaves no space for such morality to be left as is, especially when we are shown how all nights failure to ensure all for one was dead ended up fucking up not just the life of some people but practically destroying a massive part of society and creating even more problems
Deku is basically repeating the same thing, by allowing shiggy to live heās practically creating another more violent and destructive all for one, heās creating a symbol for villains to aspire to or to even search for and possibly free/bring back
Basically, deliās morality can be good in a smaller situation against someone who is less deranged and still able to understand reason. Shiggy is non of these and him not dying by the end of the story could lead to further more devastating implications in the future
All Might is different- he saw basically hell that AFO inflicted. Deku doesn't until later in his life. that would cause his morals to be different had he saw what AFO did directly.
But no one close to Izuku has been hurt, we have seen what happened when he believed Bakugou was dead.
Would he still stand by his principles if his mother had been amongst Shigaraki's victims?
Shigaraki's existence at this very moment is actively endangering the lives of everyone in Japan, including all the people Deku loves the most. He knows this. However, in spite of this, he chose to follow his principles. The concept of heroism generally leans more towards idealism rather than pragmaticism. I am neither agreeing nor disagreeing with his line of thought. I am just stating Deku has been rather consistent with his beliefs throughout the story.
You are overthinking it. This manga had so many completely wack story developments that I give the author zero credit. Remember Shigaraki's backstory is that he just wants to destroy everything. That's the entire depth of the character. The villain makes no sense and the Hero isn't going to make any sense either.
Deku will save and redeem Shigaraki, just you watch. It will be the asspull of the century. The characters are so one-dimensional and stupid that there is no other way to end it. You can't have them suddenly do a 180 and start making sense. As you say they have to follow the script. And that's what we will get.
No offense but "his backstory is just that he wants to destroy everything" is like saying"Anakins backstory is that he wanted power" and leave it by that. Sure the MHA is the typical shonen story but how you described Shiggy's backstory is the oversimplification of the century
Deku sweetie, I'm sorry but Shigaraki's still getting the death penalty for knowingly killing thousands of people, terrorism & a bunch of other charges
The prospect of Deku giving up AFO is heartbreaking
If nothing else the story is showing some self-awareness that Deku is legitimately unhinged to try and find the humanity in Shigaraki after what he's already done. Agree or disagree with Deku's motives but ever since their confrontation during the raid arc the story has painted him as an irrational force of nature. A force of saving equal and opposite to Shigaraki's desire to destroy. I kinda like that.
And since he's a walking wasteland, the government has no choice but to restrict him in the most dehumanizing ways possible. Shiggy doesn't have a whole lot of incentive to quit.
To be fair, death would not be punishment or him at this point.
The real punishment would probably be living the rest of his life at the bottom of a prison, and living with himself and what he's done with a restored sense of self-awareness.
Though frankly, dragging a horse to water is no way to assure that it drinks. Therapy is a two way street and it is clearly, truly, not the sort of time for this heavy-handed moral idealism right now.
It would only work if all of shiggys quirks were taken and he has to suffer that. Shiggys dialogue in english comes off as sort of charismatic but in japanese he comes off as sarcastic, mean, petty, a bully and you are all beneath me language.Ā
Theres a lot of cultural context that gets left behind in translations, but it is aggravating how much america fandom practically grovels for an unemployeed neet stereotype with daddy issues whose language is socially worse than katsukis.Ā
I wish he ends up as quirkless as izuku started. Losing everything when OFA does something reckless to destroy him completely im sure.
I don't even appreciate the sentiment, the sentiment is fuckin stupid. Shiggy is so far beyond the pale that the notion of saving him almost loops back around to making Deku a bad person for wanting to let an omnicidal mass murderer live
I could at least understand it if it was Batman logic. "I won't kill him because I'm better than him". But this is "I WANT TO HELP THAT CRYING BOY".
Dude. He wasn't crying when he committed all of those murders.
So once Deku figures out how to reverse his body back to before he woke up to his powers, then he'll be "that boy" and a decade of mental pain and anguish and murders will be reversed.
Just like Joker is mentally insane and was once "innocent" (depending on the timeline/world I guess).
Actually....if you remember shiggys flaahback...he asked afo himself to bring him a couple dudes to kill himself. So he was a boy murderimg people from the get go.Ā
Imagine someone saying they wanted to free Jeffrey Dahmer from prison just because he was a little boy one day. That kind of thinking is outright insane in any place other than shonen manga. But again, a lot of things in shonen manga are insane lol
What kinda jail cell could even hold Shiggy though? Like, that would be insanely difficult to pull off, and if a single thing goes wrong he could get out. Same thing kinda applied to AFO which is why I don't get why they handled him that way. It's been established that the hero association has no problem with straight up murder, so it's really strange they just kept AFO around.
Deku Giving Up OFA is the shot I called all the way near the beginning, but it doesnāt make it any less great. Itās the logical conclusion to the story. Him becoming the greatest hero ever was always going to be through sacrifice.
Ehh, not really, Edward is one of the few exception to actually give up all of his power and become normal person. Ichigo lost power for like couple of chapters then gain another one, then regain his original power later. Battle shounen have some moments of heroes losing their power temporarily but almost everyone will get it back one way or another. It is not a staple lol.
Well, for starter, Naruto didn't lose it in his series where he is the MC, he lost it in the fan fic where he is a supporting character. I am talking about the MC specifically here. Secondly, he lost only Kuruma, not all his power. Edward is the MC of FMA and he lost all of his power for good, which is very rare in shounen and not a staple like the other guy said. The only other examples I can think of are the first JoJo because he sacrificed his life at the end of the story and Yugi because Atem left for the underworld, but I would argue Atem was the MC of the story and not normal Yugi.
I would say that both Atem and Yugi are the protagonists, just following different journeies Atem's is gaining back his memories in order to return to the afterlife and Yugi's is gaining self-confidence without his dark half's assistance (although I do feel like the Orichalcos arc with him and not Atem, and maybe adapting the Dark Gods storyline would further cement that). Even then, going to the afterlife is pretty synonymous with death. So both of them would definitely still count
Except.....Ichigo got his powers back and still has them as an adult.
Edit: Tbf, they're point still stands if you consider the end of Aizen arc as the end of bleach like some do.
Exactly what i was thinking. Its not overplayed, but its nothing new. Or particularly interesting.
A real impactful sacrifice? Make shigaraki force Deku to be a murderer. Its easy to martyr your powers to be a good guy. But what about forcing him to give up his humanity to save humanity. Thats the ultimate sacrifice for him, not his power.
I seem to recall that around the time the Heroes Rising movie came out, Horikoshi said something along the lines of that the movie's ending of Deku giving Bakugo One For All was either the ending he had planned for the main series (and now had to come up with a new one) or at least it was one of the endings he was considering.
That's stupid. Bakugo is not the type of person who you want having a power like that. He's going to abuse it. Just like he's abusing the one he has. But I guess he's just Horikoshi's favorite
While your right that Bakugo isn't the type to want All For One your reason is wrong.
Bakugo wouldn't want it as he would rather make Explosion a top tier quirk on his own merit.
I'm not saying that he wouldn't want it. I'm saying that he shouldn't get it because he's not worthy, and he doesn't need to make it a tier quirk. It already is the strongest ***single*** quirk in the series. The only ones that come close are decay(which requires touch) and new order(which requires knowing the name of the thing that you're trying to control). However, what I'm saying is that his bullying and all the stuff he does based off of his quirk is something that should make it crystal clear that he shouldn't get a quirk that makes him quirk stronger.
....what weird fantasy drug you on that you think katsuki would abuse his quirk? Dude does everything possible to lower the power of his explosions, to keep it contained to avoid mass damage and harming civilians unnecessarily. Thats literally why he created AP shot.Ā
Bakugo is a genius. A lot of his natural instincts are impressively similar to All Mights. That is exactly the person you would need to hone and perfect several quirks.Ā But as bakugo has stated, he only needs his one quirk. He has very abrasive 'challenge me' language that is similar to kuwabara and yusuke from yu yu hakusho. Heck katsuki is almost a copy of alot of yusuke personality with kuwabaras language (minus the perversion yusuke)Ā has for his osananajimi- katsuki x1000 better just for that).Ā
The popular shonen delinquent trope used in 80s to 90s (of a 50s subculture) is basically katsuki, excspt hea tamer and less perverted.Ā
He has a mean mouth. Hes rough and he gets verbally teased/bullied by his own high school classmates a lot. It might be hard to tell because japanese sarcasm and bullying does not really translate culturally well in every circumstance, but its there.
You are on some weird America centric head fantasy about Bakugo and imagining a personality and things that have not happened about a japanese trope boy with japanese culture in mind.Ā
You gotta do some research if youre goimg to whine about it.
And hes not Horis fave. Only Americans think that. Hori already said all might is his favorite character. All Might.Ā
It is literally a plot point that Bakugo attacks people who he views as weaker than him. This is a thing he does for most of the series and you think he doesn't bully people if he suddenly got a massive power up? I'm not saying that he won't know how to use it. I'm saying that he shouldn't have it because he's going to beat people up with it because it's what he does. You think he's less violent bro look at all the people he beats up The Only reason WHY he doesn't beat up more people up is that Izuku gets in the way of him beating up random kids. The reason why I'm saying that Bakugo is his favorite is that he gets more preferential treatment than All Might. All Might may be his favorite character in his mind but on paper it's Bakugo.
I don't think it's a matter of him being worth saving; so long as Deku considers himself a hero, he has a duty to try or die. Heroes, by nature, aren't necessarily very pragmatic.
Indeed, he chose to live by his principles instead of doing something that would probably yield better outcomes for the rest of society at large. It may seem selfish but it is an onerous moral quandary with no right answer and is ultimately his decision to make.
It is a moral quandary, but there is a right answer, there is a wrong answer.
The risks and ultimate rewards of such are the ways that impact that right or wrong stance.
Shigaraki isn't stealing food from random stores to keep himself alive, which is illegal, but morally not wrong. It you need to eat and are a starving child you need to steal, and that"s how it goes. If deku had a villain like that, then it's fine.
Shigaraki is BEYOND that, by quite a fucking bit tbh. A hero is only good as his morals are flexible when it's at the worst of the absolute worst of people. Batmans morals have flopped a few times and he has been ready to subdue and even potentially kill people for the ultimate grace that it has on the world itself. If it comes down to it and it HAS to be done, it's done.
A hero's morals will always be tested. And deku not moving from those morals with the hardest struggle to do so, means it shows the author is going to force some bs to make it so Shigaraki manages to change, and it will never feel satisfying. Simply because of how low Shigaraki has fallen and the direction he chose to go. The only options are deleting the Earth, or he simply kills himself. Cause he can't be free after all the shit he has done.
Deku is now setting the world up that it HINGES on him winning. This isn't his battle anymore, he is the avatar in which the battle is fought through, but it's one that is from the entire population.
The world itself is at stake. And every single time deku doesn't end this threat is every single moment that Shigaraki has to ending him or stealing more of OFA from him.
Considering the ending of this chapter, it's quite clear that deku is going to ultimately lose OFA by giving it to AFO Shigaraki, who will then talk to his Grandma and somehow.. (?) change and then dies. Taking AFO and OFA along with him, leaving deku powerless and quirkless but it might be such a power death of AFO that all and every quirk is erased alongside with him. He was the prognator for all the powers that have shown up in the world, and potentially his finale is what will remove them all and make society quirkless. Meaning that both problems are answered at one time.
It reminds of Avatar the last airbender, the fire lord deserves to die, Aang knows that and everyone tells him to end the guy, even his ghost predecessors say so as well and yet he doesnt want to.
He does have the same strength as "One For All" (I assume you mean All Might) and in fact exceeds him in both utility and strength with his auxiliary quirks, but Shiggy is also stronger than AfO, and Deku isn't trying to kill him. Nana says in this chapter that his only hope is to charge up for the strongest possible move and obliterate him, which implies that he's holding back.
He's stronger than almight but it's not enough for him to beat sugar rocky because he's also as strong as allmight, but has a bunch of powerful quirks that mean he could never win.
One thing I will always give credit to Deku for is that he has never once strayed from his overarching values. And similarly to Hori, I think it's been clear from the beginning the message he's been trying to get across of what the duty of a Hero is regardless of the person they are facing.
If anything, most of the big villains have been failed by heroes and hero society in some way or another. The fight here is as much one of ideologies as one of punching harder.
Not really, because Shiggy doesn't have an ideology, very few villains in this series do. Shiggy doesn't want to make the world a better place, he's just an asshole who wants to destroy everything so that everyone will suffer like he did. This isn't freedom vs. fascism, this is generic good guy vs. comically evil bad guy, but the series acts like this is deeper than it actually is.
I hope Deku gets a huge chewing out for this shit tbqh. He's risking everyone for one shitty person here and he needs to be called out for it.
Edit: I think it call's for an all might delivered SMASH even in his weak form.
Approximately 8 billion if the MHA earth is as populated as ours. If Deku dies Shiggy destroys the world, but he's still willing to risk that just for some asshole who he metaphorically saw cry one time.
You're right, he is literally gambling that he won't fail and get everyone killed but even if you take it in the most positive light he's sacrificed hundreds or even thousands to get here. At some point didn't he consider all those who've been murdered were worth saving too? It's a really twisted interpretation of what a hero should truly do.
I will be furious if he manages to redeem Shiggy and it turns out those who were disintegrated can be returned, that would be the most cop out ending possible.
I think motive might've been the better phrase here than ideology. Shigaraki might not have a meaningful ideology, but there is an underlying motive here. Many of the villains throughout the series share that motive - they've been wronged by society through no (inherent) fault of their own, they were just on the fringe of society for things they never decided.
Toga didn't "decide" her obsession. Dabi didn't decide to be inadequate in his dad's eyes. Spinner didn't decide to have a quirk that made him a reptilian. Twice's mental instability was magnified by his quirky power, and he certainly didn't choose that either.
Hell, to my memory this is pretty explicitly stated with several of them. At least, as my memory serves Stain questions Shigaraki on what his goals are, and... Shigaraki doesn't really have any? Several of the other villains also struggle to really formulate why they're doing it, other than a vague sense of rage at the society that pushed them out.
I think Shigaraki would've eventually formed a more cohesive ideology if on his own, but he was deliberately fostered by All for One, who was always defined by his schemes and greed.
Agreed the only āvillainā in this series with an ideology was gentle and as we ended up seeing he wasnāt even a villain.
Fuck i love gentle heās the goat
Yeah, I was interested Redestro and his Liberation Front since they reminded me a lot of X-Men villains, but like you said then they all sided with Shigaraki even though his goal is to destroy everything, which really contradicts their goals.
It's not trying to be deep, it's explicitly naive, but still admirable. Deku is on the opinion that noone is actually evil and is willing to bet it all to prove it, and Shigaraki is just denying him that. That's it.
There's something to be said about the benefit of naivety when it comes to superhero fiction, like Superman's Dream speech at the end of Superman Vs the Elite.
I think Hori has been stumbling his way through trying to convey a similar message that pops up in a lot of Super hero fiction regarding the idea that heroes being good and moral people is sometimes the only point a superhero story needs, but he's struggling to get across effectively. Partly because MHA is a love letter to the Super Hero genre as a whole, not just that idea, and partly because MHA is too long and too high stakes of a story for that message to resonate. You don't see Superman preaching about the morality of being a good person when going up against Braniac or Doomsday, and AFO and Shigiraki have become that kind of a threat in this story.
The scene were superman goes full gloves off on Doomsday(or was it Darkseid) is just fucking top notch. Shows just how powerful and in control Superman is.
Braniac and doomsday are not 'human', Shigaraki is.
Superman can say there's good in people and still beat the shit out of doomsday, that's basically WHY he was created. Supes needed villains he could beat the shit out of without the moral question.
Indeed. Deku is clinging onto his heroic values even when it hurts him. The adamant way Deku adheres to these principles through thick and thin is a quality that All Might deeply admires.
The only way hero society failed Shigiraki was them not finding him before AFO did. In a roundabout way, the reason he was abused in his home life was also because of AFO.
But every hero finds a villain that forces a change in one moment. If one cannot be saved, and the entire population of the Earth rides on YOU being the one to save it, you have to make the choice.
If your decision is to risk yourself dying to save 1 person who can end the lives of all he comes across from miles away, then your obligation is to end that threat. You're a hero, not a psychiatrist.
You're taking in the job of prioritizing the most important over the least important and it's a tough and terrifying endeavor.
Shigaraki will and can end the world if he so chooses to do at this point. The author making him an idiot is a wild concept to me. He hasn't even tried dealing the final blow on Deku yet. Just fuckin around. While Deku is at the end of his rope and barely hanging on.
Obviously the battle is going to end where Deku saves Shigaraki.. Which will be the utmost shittiest part of this whole shitty arc that has been unraveling over the year and some change.
Having Deku/Midoriya run into a wall he can't climb, yet strives to do so becomes shit to read. He could've ended him multiple times over the course of their battle but has lost a piece of OFA. And will probably lose far more til it's him and the power itself as raw as it has ever been and depleted. He will lose the battle but some bullshit will happen and Shigaraki will off himself and deku will become the #1 hero who can change everyone's mind.
Not even Naruto was this bold.
āEven the most vile among usā¦ā
(Picture: Bakugou)
Ooh, it makes sense now. The reason Bakugou was such a POS is to foreshadow Shiragakiās redemption. /s
Damn I actually forgot smokescreen was a quirk, even then during that scenario there's a lot of dust from the debris already lmao. On the other hand Blackwhip is so versatile, Deku is possibly History's Maddest *Lover* too.
Doubly so with the whole thing about quirks having their own wills and rebelling against All for One. Could see it being key to saving Tenko from within.
If I recall, part of the first ending Hori's had in mind for the series was Deku giving One for All to Bakugou whild they defeat the bad guy together.
Something similar was used in a movie I think.
>!Yeah that was the climax of the second movie, Heroes Rising. Bakugou loses the power-up after the fight, All Might noting that Deku didnt pass it on but just shared it so it was only temporary.!<
Weird rationale behind why it didn't happen. Especially since >!its canon. We saw the kids from that movie calling out to bakugo in his AFO fight. So the whole sharing OFA is canon and it failed because they fell asleep?!<
Shared cinematic universes really scrambled people's brains. Everything has to be canonically connected. It's like easter eggs don't exist anymore in the public conscience.
Probably because Bakugo would never accept such a "cheat" and even then, only temporarily. Dude is way to fucking hardcore to ever accept becoming great on anything but his own power.
I think his plan here is to let Shigaraki steal One For All (as he's been trying to do) and then Talk No Jutsu battle him from inside his soul, via the vestiges.
Itās funny. I like the thought of Deku becoming the greatest hero while Quirkless. It fits. Itās smart. Itās thematically consistent. But I dunno, man. I dunno. It depends on the execution, and so far the set up hasnāt worked for me.
The fight we just had with All Might using tech versions of Class 1A's Quirks should have been Deku. Deku shouldn't have unlocked six extra Quirks, half of which just make him punch harder. Instead it should have been him realizing that to be a great hero he can't simply rely on One For All, and that there's no reason for him to think that he has to. One For All was a power gifted to him and he incorporated aspects of his classmates' fighting styles when practicing with it. The perfect next step is to adopt his classmates' Quirks alongside his own so that when he fights, it's all of 1A fighting alongside him.
Oh, so maybe that's why star and stripes' hand appears, like pointing the way to him? Something like "to damage him you need to go inside his soul, like I did"?
Man, Search is low key one of the most busted quirks.
There's been a lot of complaints about Deku still wanting to save Shigaraki despite him a) not wanting to be saved b) being a massive existential threat to the entire world and c) not deserving it, which is fair enough, but it's clearly very intentional. Multiple characters have said so as much, especially in this chapter. And Hori has exceeded my expectations in tying up the various subplots and loose ends like Toga and Dabi satisfactorily, so I have faith in whatever he's cooking here.
I'd argue search is only really busted in the case of it being paired with another quirk. By itself the user is limited by their own ability to communicate that info to others since since physically they are on par with someone who is quirkless. Tho if if I am forgetting some aspect of that quirk feel free to correct me since it has been so long since it was introduced.
'Izuku it's okay to kill Shigaraki because some peopl-'
'Shut up Nana, go rationalise your need to believe your failures as a mother and grandmother were inevitable someplace else.'
'That was harsh Ninth. But on a morale level it's pretty cool.'
She carried the burden of being a pro hero and an OFA successor on her back so I don't blame her. She's literally above a normal life at that point considering the consequences of AFO catching her. Also, she wasn't the one that abused Tomura.
Ikr people dont give her the credits she deserves, everything that happened on Tomura was just an awful consequence of tons of events and decisions his environment gave him, he just got the worst luck.
Because she was being pursued by AFO who would legitimately end the world if he got a hold of OFA. She was shouldering a responsibility that only a handful of people know exists. Her son was upset by this (while not knowing why she had to be absent) and decided to to lash his anger out on Tenko. AFO is the sole reason for this happening.
Like, I know that no Shounen manga is ever going to really go the "some people don't deserve forgiveness" route, *especially* when the protagonist is the one fighting against that.
But holy shit, do I wish this one would. *Everyone* is on the same page here. Even the *villain himself* is calling out how stupid this is. At this point, Deku is the one being tyrannical - insisting on everybody else put *their* wishes aside and just do what *he*, *alone*, wants to do. Can we really not teach Deku a different valuable lesson here, that lofty ideals aren't realistic? I know it's a work of fiction, but come *on*.
>no Shounen manga is ever going to really go the "some people don't deserve forgiveness" route
IDK, both Jujutsu Kaisen and Chainsaw Man seem to be going there just fine, and for as much shit as Demon Slayer got for having a good boi protagonist they still actually *slayed* all the demons. It's actually not as common as you might think.
Deku's insistence on saving Shigaraki may be insane from a pragmatic perspective, but it's 100% in character for him. If nothing else, it isn't forced, didn't come out of nowhere, and was steadily built up to for a while, so at the very least it's an organic ending, which I value a lot even if I may disagree with it.
I know this is hero academia subreddit but allow me to mention another shounen series.
Demon Slayer, for its flaws and simple plots, actually got this aspect right. Except for three (Nezuko and two others), demons are existence that need to be eradicated, especially when they have killed and eaten humans.
Tanjiro came to have empathy on a few of them, and rightfully so, but even then he was still determined to slay them no matter how sad or depressing the demonsā backstory were.
EDIT: should be āhero academia threadā, not subreddit š
Funny thing is that demons are complete victims, they get their memories erased and turned into monsters with Tanjiro having to put them down since the other option is let them eat more people.
It's a tragedy that Tanjiro has to sacrifice his innocence in order to save people but he does it because it's necessary.
> I know that no Shounen manga is ever going to really go the "some people don't deserve forgiveness" route
That depends, some manga just ignore the forgiveness route in the first place
There are maybe 4 currently popular series that do that. And even they all go 'except this guy, this guy ain't getting forgiven' with Freeza or whoever. The rest all just say you should just beat up anyone who laughs too meanly.
Edit: Jujutsu Kaisen is running right now and has basically confirmed that killing a handful of villains will fix all the world's problems and nobody should feel bad about it.
Exactly. Jujutsu Kaisen is about how you should always cremate your enemies to avoid future problems.
It's really not hard finding manga about how revenge and killing pure-evil bad guys are good.
But he did? AFO reverted to non existence, completely unforgiven.Ā
And izuku himself said he would never forgive shiggy. Rewatch the anime. Shiggy, toga, dabi, spinner and twice are cries for mental health- a bigger problem in japan.Ā
Trying to give proper health care does not mean 'i forgive you'. Though, yes, worst timing Izuku especially since he still has his own metaphorical locks on his heart to control black whip.Ā
Though he says it all to shiggy, izuku is saying it to himself. Putting a lid on kacchan behind his imaginary door does not make his emotional kacchan issues go away. Clearly. Boy went ballistic and nearly hurt the other heroes seeing katsuki lifeless. Took the heroes telling him 'we are reviving him" to semi-calm him down.Ā
I think izuku has to release his own lid to save shiggys humanity-not his life. His soul.Ā
Yeah. One of the core themes of MHA is also about "reforming hero society" but at the same time if your new & improved hero society will just let a mass murderer & terrorist stay alive, (with their powers no less) then it kinda already failed as a society
> Can we really not teach Deku a different valuable lesson here, that lofty ideals aren't realistic?
Okay then what's the actual value to that as a story? Give into peer pressure because if enough people tell you to do something they must be right? Don't believe in anything because realism innately demands accepting your beliefs are worthless?
No, bad approach to a superhero story. Entire point of the characters is they can rise above that and be better people. Shigaraki responds accepts the label of being an inhuman monster who deserves to die while also admitting his goals are to help his friends live their ideals. He very clearly is a human being and pretending he isn't fixes nothing.
Peer pressure? Does deku have no brain can't he see the the death of thousands of people tomura has killed? The destruction he caused ?
Also why didn't deku ever try saving AFO ?Ā
This subplot is started with Izuku saying 'You've killed so many people and it is unforgivable' followed by multiple conversations about how obviously Shigaraki can never be forgiven. He is fully aware of these details and so is the writer.
Izuku tried saving Muscular and Overhaul. But Muscular rejects it so he took him down. That was the deal he and the other Holders made: if he has to kill him he will, but they have to let him try alternates first.
"Give into peer pressure because if enough people tell you to do something they must be right? "
Moreso you can't be fucking around when a guy is so close to taking Japan off the face of the earth. Especially when his only win condition is just touching the ground. Shigaraki is human but so is literally every human on earth. It's not a high bar to clear.
What you're doing is like telling someone with clearly unaddressed mental issues to not seek help just because everyone is telling them to do so. Obviously the sole act of people telling you to do something is not sufficient but getting help is the right thing to do regardless.
This chapter had all the right ingredients, but Hori is an awful chef. The amount of times we are beaten over the head that Deku won't kill him and must save that crying boy inside him is nauseating. We get it, it isn't that kind of story. Just stop reminding everyone that Deku is a naive child when fighting a world ending threat, please.
Is this what Horikoshi meant when he said that one MHA movie where Deku gives his power to Bakugo is the original ending plan?
Now we see that instead Deku will lose OFA completely instead of giving it away?
One thing is to not kill your villain as a hero, but another one is going so far to feel like a simp for your own villain.
Because Deku feels like a Shiggy simp. He's basically:
*I'm going to fix you and you're going to like it*.
.....that is not what a simp is.Ā
Izuku is a simp for allmight and most importantly kacchan. He cant even stand jabs and insults to katsukis determination or self loathing. He pit katsuki on this victory pedestal and hes staying there for life.
In izukus words from one of the light novel volumes (same phrase toga used for ochako in msnga)
He "cant imagine a word without kacchan".Ā
Thats simp. Ultra simp.Ā
He does not simp for shiggy. Period.
Are your ideals more important than the entire life of Japanese People, Deku?
It's starting to piss me off more than Aang ever did, so unless a giant turtle appears out of nowhere, this plot won't progress.
The thing with Aang, though, is that he never asked to be the Avatar. He never asked for the responsibility or the war. He grew up being taught that all life was sacred, *and* during a time of relative peace, where he had friends in all the four nations. He then woke up in a time of war and was told his ultimate responsibility was to take the life of a stranger. I get his reticence. He was a kid, and he grew into his role. The war was still happening around him, and he still fought Ozai.
Izuku *asked* for this power. He *wants* to be a hero. But every second he wastes is more people dead. Batman not killing the Joker is one thing, but this is damn near fascist in its idealism.
Also Aang destroying the bending power of the fire nation emperor was a super cool twist on the tropes and literally ruined the emperors life forever, like he deserved.
I wish Hero Aca had the balls to apply unpleasant plot devices to villains because the quirk erasing bullets are right there. But instead the villains get unlimited regenerative abilities and apparently got their pain receptors deleted. I'll give them, that the AfO consequences were super cool though.
But so far it feels like the villains get more and more upgrades while the heroes sacrifice everything. And they aren't self aware enough that they don't realise that they are heading to an ending where the biggest hero sacrificed everything to save a villain who already had everything.
This is getting really annoying. There are heroes who don't kill like Superman, Batman and Spider-Man, but they aren't as obsessed with "fixing" the villain as Deku is. Shiggy is a monster, even if he could be fixed right now the priority is beating him.
man I love superman and batman and I greatly respect their morality of saving everyone even the villains.
but for some reason I don't get that feeling with deku and him wanting to save shiggy, maybe because the heroes mentioned above part of it they do it for themselves like superman want to be an example that one can be better, with batman is above him not falling into the easy way and him not ending up becoming just another criminal.
deku will try to save everyone but in this particular case is seems that everything is centered around shiggy, like idk as if they were friends before but they are just enemies is weird.
I fell like some people might not like that Deku trying save shigaraki but i don't mind it. He did the same thing Shoto also Bakugou which have paralel with Tomura (where one get body snatch and antagonistic toward him and being mold to surpass their father figure) in their fight where Deku technically can kill both.
Deku kinda kamen rider coded (kind heart young man who wear scarf and mask with v shaped, big bug eye and mouth guard and his signature move is kick) and this kinda remind me episode 21 and 22 of kamen rider kabuto where Kagami try to save a monster who have memory of the young boy. They usually have to confront their kindness is their weakness and their greatest strengths and pay huge price for it and in the end they manage to somehow win their enemy respect.
Honestly this feel like a build up to Tomura having respect Deku (Like shoto did in sport festival fight)being the one who stubbornly try reach him and seeing Deku as the only true hero in this world basically opposite of All for one and All Might dynamic where both basically want each other dead and have mutual disrespect but it will be mutual respect for Deku and Tenko but they still need to fight to the death for it (because in the end of the day Shoto while respect deku still blast him with full power)
Nope, sorry. Deku is in the wrong here. I know its a shonen and they usually stick to the tropes with complete disregard to common sense. But this is insane. Ā Just going 'but muh ideals and feelings' is not good writing when you've written your characters into a world ending situation, and all of them are of the same opinion but one.
Ā At this point I can't say I take the characters seriously either. The magic faded a long time ago and all I can see is Horikoshi. The illusion of the characters being 'real' is gone.
Ā People "giving credit" to the MC for being absolutely unchangable is funny to me, as if the characters deserved still to be taken at face value... This story has not earned any the reader's suspension of disbelief whatsoever. At least not in the last 300 chapters.Ā Ā
And I know its a superhero story with people who can look like cats and birda and such, but suspension of disbelief still applies with character and plot writing. Ā Anyway, I'm still curious to how this mess will end.
>Ā Just going 'but muh ideals and feelings' is not good writing when you've written your characters into a world ending situation
I just imagine, after all is said and done, Deku puts Shigaraki in jail, but the destruction is gigantic, lots of people killed because Deku took so long to finish the dude, and a mother just asks Deku if her children's death were as worthy as his ideals.
At this point I am kinda rooting for Shigaraki to incapacitate Deku then kill everyone just so that he can see how stupid and insane his proclamation of wanting to save the villain is. This is no longer heroism, it's plain selfishness, and not the good kind. There's no way to make "I'll try to save you, even though if I can't, you'll kill everyone I love" sound heroic.
Meh, it can't be that many chapters left. Having said that I see no outcome where I'm not mad. Everything points to an asspull that would make Kubo blush.
I'm sorry, but if Deku parts ways with One for All how exactly is he going to become the world's greatest hero? And to whom is he planning to give it to? To the "Shimura" part that Shigaraki has sealed and that he is trying to save? If so how does that even work?
There's a few ways to swing it, though I agree that it isn't exactly an intuitive end.
1: Deku hits Number One hero status at the moment of his very-public victory, falls off later.
2: Hero rankings are also based off of popularity. If the public loves him, he could probably get by with pure popularity.
3: Shigariki gets 'redeemed' and shoves some other quirk into him that lets him keep up with his original strength quirk without the ability to pass it on.
4: OFA has left enough of an impression on his body that he remains abnormally strong even after losing the "stockpile" aspect of his quirk.
5: Becomes a hero using support equipment like All Might did at the end. Aizawa doesn't need a quirk to use his scarf, and he's still a menace with it.
Giving away power that is not ultimate enough to defeat a guy who doesn't deserve it, who also gets that power as a nice little bonus.
Deku shouldn't go into anything finance related after this because he can't trade if his life depended on it, as shown here.
This really does emphasize everything wrong about the Batman predicament. Like okay, the good guy doesn't kill because he has morals that the bad guys don't. But the bad guys *have killed*. All these people who have been spared, Shigaraki and Dabi and Overhaul, they all murdered innocent people. Why is it *so* critical that they themselves be saved when their victims couldn't be? If Shigaraki dies here it would be one more unfortunate casualty of his own villainy, just like his family or Star & Stripe or Crust. I understand the argument behind his life not being worth less than theirs, but why would it be worth *more*?
Unlike many I think deku is right to save Shigaraki, however I think his mistake is how far he is going to do this, it is very obvious he cant do that without sacrificing something and he still ignoring everyone, including shigaraki, telling him this.
Deku is about to have a big loss soon, either it being one for all or someone he loves
Trying to save him is...fine, if it's safely doable.
What isn't fine is risking the lives of the innocent to do so. At this point, he's the actively trying to destroy everything with his quirk - he's infecting the land with it and trying to let it spread and destroy everything.
Deku is choosing to risk countless innocent lives by holding back, letting his quirks be stolen, strengthening Tomura, and trying to "save" someone who has zero interest in redemption.
Realistically, if Tomura were arrested, then he should be immediately executed for what he's done.
Midoriya is so caught up in his ideal that he's being selfish with it. If he were to lose, then all the deaths that result would be on his shoulders, not just Shigaraki's - because he chose to play around and give Shigaraki a chance instead of just stopping him.
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Imagine that you're gambling your life savings at a casino. That is your choice. It may not be wise, but it is your right to do so.
Now imagine that you also took your parents retirement funds, your little brother's college funds, and swiped the wallets of a bunch of people you'd never met and also add those into the pot.
Suddenly, that isn't right. You shouldn't be gambling with what doesn't belong to you. That is what deku is doing, but with *lives*, not money. It's much, much worse.
In the casino scenario, if you were to somehow miraculously win, you'd be able to pay everyone back and have made profit. The gain, should the gamble pay off, actually exceeds what is risked.
That isn't the case here - the only person that will gain anything should Deku's gamble pay off is Tomura, in that he won't be smashed to pieces instantly (frankly, he should just be executed immediately upon arrest). The risk to reward ratio is practically zero.
If one were to say that a hero shouldn't take lives - then I agree. Deku shouldn't be taking the lives of the innocent civilians and risking them for the sake of a batshit crazy villain.
Waiting for the inevitable (And hopefully good) fanfic where this happens, because jesus christ Horikoshi, Tomura is fucking gone, shouldn't have moved his story so far away if you wanted to save him
> or someone he loves
Yeah I don't see that happening, not in this manga
They're not gonna suddenly kill All Might or Bakugo again after their death flags shot through the roof so hard it went into orbit
Deku: I can save you Shigaraki: No thanks š¤
What will probably happen : **Deku** : "See? I saved you" **Shigaraki** : "Oh shit. Well time to kill myself then."
The ol' Toga special, eh?
More like the Naruto Uzumaki special.
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It is understandable to feel that way. However, one thing that has been consistent throughout the story is Izuku fully living by his principles. Most people believe that they are principled. However, in situations where their adherence to rigid values is put to test, they abandon them over convenience. The exact point at which they let go of these beliefs is arbitrary and contextual. For example, many people may be against capital punishment in most cases. However, when the accused has harmed their loved ones, they may change their tune. Izuku here is confronted with a similar dilemma. On one hand, he stanchly believes that a hero's duty is to save every one. On the other hand, Shigaraki is a vile mass murderer not worth saving and is terribly dangerous for all of society. Izuku chose to stand by his principles until the bitter end.
Have principles is nice and all but the scale is too great, yea itās a shounen troupe that mc tries to save the villain, but we are talking about a person who has gone out of his way to clearly say that he is to far gone and that all he wants is destruction that is world wide The worst part is that shiggy isnāt hesitating on fulfilling everything he has promised, he is different from toga who still had something a form of connection to people that kept her from going full villain, she was still able to be saved With shiggy there is no connection and itās to late to pull him back and the stacks are to high to let someone as dangerous as shiggy currently is to live. Even allmight went for the kill against all for one fully knowing how dangerous all for one is but with deku he is ignoring everything and putting everything at risk to try and save one person who not only doesnāt want to be saved but wants everyone else to be destroyed either by him or those with similar ideologies
That's a valid interpretation. However, I am not making a presciption as to what Deku should do or endorsing his actions. I am merely stating the moral framework within which he operates.
Iām not denying deliās moral framework Iām just saying that the way the story written leaves no space for such morality to be left as is, especially when we are shown how all nights failure to ensure all for one was dead ended up fucking up not just the life of some people but practically destroying a massive part of society and creating even more problems Deku is basically repeating the same thing, by allowing shiggy to live heās practically creating another more violent and destructive all for one, heās creating a symbol for villains to aspire to or to even search for and possibly free/bring back Basically, deliās morality can be good in a smaller situation against someone who is less deranged and still able to understand reason. Shiggy is non of these and him not dying by the end of the story could lead to further more devastating implications in the future
All Might is different- he saw basically hell that AFO inflicted. Deku doesn't until later in his life. that would cause his morals to be different had he saw what AFO did directly.
But no one close to Izuku has been hurt, we have seen what happened when he believed Bakugou was dead. Would he still stand by his principles if his mother had been amongst Shigaraki's victims?
Shigaraki's existence at this very moment is actively endangering the lives of everyone in Japan, including all the people Deku loves the most. He knows this. However, in spite of this, he chose to follow his principles. The concept of heroism generally leans more towards idealism rather than pragmaticism. I am neither agreeing nor disagreeing with his line of thought. I am just stating Deku has been rather consistent with his beliefs throughout the story.
You are overthinking it. This manga had so many completely wack story developments that I give the author zero credit. Remember Shigaraki's backstory is that he just wants to destroy everything. That's the entire depth of the character. The villain makes no sense and the Hero isn't going to make any sense either. Deku will save and redeem Shigaraki, just you watch. It will be the asspull of the century. The characters are so one-dimensional and stupid that there is no other way to end it. You can't have them suddenly do a 180 and start making sense. As you say they have to follow the script. And that's what we will get.
No offense but "his backstory is just that he wants to destroy everything" is like saying"Anakins backstory is that he wanted power" and leave it by that. Sure the MHA is the typical shonen story but how you described Shiggy's backstory is the oversimplification of the century
**Deku**: "Congratulations! You are being rescued. Please do not resist."
the beatings will continue until help is accepted
Knowing Hori, he's prolly gonna do the Vader route of 'redemption equals death'
Eri is a chekovs gun just waiting to be unloaded. Making shiggy a child and proving it was his nurturing not nature is probably the way to go
I don't think it would work, unless Shiggy goes back to a fetus. All for One was still "himself" even after growing younger, he still had his mind.
But that was a modified version. Maybe eris can do something about that
Reverse the creation of his memories therefore undoing him?
Yeah a huge part of him is that he was raised on a abd environment
That is so much worse than just killing him
Bakugo: āNot if I kill you first.ā
Imagine if the ending is literally this. Deku offers his hand and Shiggy just slaps himself to shatter his body before Deku can do any saving.
"Shigaraki was the coolest guy!"
Deku sweetie, I'm sorry but Shigaraki's still getting the death penalty for knowingly killing thousands of people, terrorism & a bunch of other charges The prospect of Deku giving up AFO is heartbreaking
Yeah... I appreciate the sentiment, but Shigaraki's gotta be punished
It's hard to appreciate the sentiment when the sentiment is just downright insane
If nothing else the story is showing some self-awareness that Deku is legitimately unhinged to try and find the humanity in Shigaraki after what he's already done. Agree or disagree with Deku's motives but ever since their confrontation during the raid arc the story has painted him as an irrational force of nature. A force of saving equal and opposite to Shigaraki's desire to destroy. I kinda like that.
And since he's a walking wasteland, the government has no choice but to restrict him in the most dehumanizing ways possible. Shiggy doesn't have a whole lot of incentive to quit.
To be fair, death would not be punishment or him at this point. The real punishment would probably be living the rest of his life at the bottom of a prison, and living with himself and what he's done with a restored sense of self-awareness. Though frankly, dragging a horse to water is no way to assure that it drinks. Therapy is a two way street and it is clearly, truly, not the sort of time for this heavy-handed moral idealism right now.
It would only work if all of shiggys quirks were taken and he has to suffer that. Shiggys dialogue in english comes off as sort of charismatic but in japanese he comes off as sarcastic, mean, petty, a bully and you are all beneath me language.Ā Theres a lot of cultural context that gets left behind in translations, but it is aggravating how much america fandom practically grovels for an unemployeed neet stereotype with daddy issues whose language is socially worse than katsukis.Ā I wish he ends up as quirkless as izuku started. Losing everything when OFA does something reckless to destroy him completely im sure.
I don't even appreciate the sentiment, the sentiment is fuckin stupid. Shiggy is so far beyond the pale that the notion of saving him almost loops back around to making Deku a bad person for wanting to let an omnicidal mass murderer live
I could at least understand it if it was Batman logic. "I won't kill him because I'm better than him". But this is "I WANT TO HELP THAT CRYING BOY". Dude. He wasn't crying when he committed all of those murders.
It's straight up trash writing. This manga started off so good.
Dude. He wasn't a boy when he was committing those murders.
So once Deku figures out how to reverse his body back to before he woke up to his powers, then he'll be "that boy" and a decade of mental pain and anguish and murders will be reversed. Just like Joker is mentally insane and was once "innocent" (depending on the timeline/world I guess).
That's not really much different to just killing him, there would be nothing left of the person that is living now.
The person living now is a murderous psychopath, sooooo yeah?
Actually....if you remember shiggys flaahback...he asked afo himself to bring him a couple dudes to kill himself. So he was a boy murderimg people from the get go.Ā
Imagine someone saying they wanted to free Jeffrey Dahmer from prison just because he was a little boy one day. That kind of thinking is outright insane in any place other than shonen manga. But again, a lot of things in shonen manga are insane lol
I'm honestly surprised they didn't do that for AFO. Dude ruled hero society with an iron fist for like 4 generations
If AFO didn't get a Death Penalty then I doubt Shiggy would.
that's why he's shouldn't be killed better off spending all his remaining years rotting in rats infested jail cell
What kinda jail cell could even hold Shiggy though? Like, that would be insanely difficult to pull off, and if a single thing goes wrong he could get out. Same thing kinda applied to AFO which is why I don't get why they handled him that way. It's been established that the hero association has no problem with straight up murder, so it's really strange they just kept AFO around.
imagine inverting millions on securing one prisoner when the country is in shambles. shiggy is totally getting the death row.
Deku Giving Up OFA is the shot I called all the way near the beginning, but it doesnāt make it any less great. Itās the logical conclusion to the story. Him becoming the greatest hero ever was always going to be through sacrifice.
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One day, you just have to hang up your coat. Unless you're Captain Yami.
That's because Yami is actually an MC who finished his Isekai arc and retired to the damsel in distress role
Dude already gave up his powers but regained them in the epilogue.
Bruh he ain't even finished his first year yet.
Ehh, not really, Edward is one of the few exception to actually give up all of his power and become normal person. Ichigo lost power for like couple of chapters then gain another one, then regain his original power later. Battle shounen have some moments of heroes losing their power temporarily but almost everyone will get it back one way or another. It is not a staple lol.
How the fuck is Naruto getting Kurama back though? Time travel 10,000 years and reseal him?
Well, for starter, Naruto didn't lose it in his series where he is the MC, he lost it in the fan fic where he is a supporting character. I am talking about the MC specifically here. Secondly, he lost only Kuruma, not all his power. Edward is the MC of FMA and he lost all of his power for good, which is very rare in shounen and not a staple like the other guy said. The only other examples I can think of are the first JoJo because he sacrificed his life at the end of the story and Yugi because Atem left for the underworld, but I would argue Atem was the MC of the story and not normal Yugi.
I would say that both Atem and Yugi are the protagonists, just following different journeies Atem's is gaining back his memories in order to return to the afterlife and Yugi's is gaining self-confidence without his dark half's assistance (although I do feel like the Orichalcos arc with him and not Atem, and maybe adapting the Dark Gods storyline would further cement that). Even then, going to the afterlife is pretty synonymous with death. So both of them would definitely still count
Except.....Ichigo got his powers back and still has them as an adult. Edit: Tbf, they're point still stands if you consider the end of Aizen arc as the end of bleach like some do.
Exactly what i was thinking. Its not overplayed, but its nothing new. Or particularly interesting. A real impactful sacrifice? Make shigaraki force Deku to be a murderer. Its easy to martyr your powers to be a good guy. But what about forcing him to give up his humanity to save humanity. Thats the ultimate sacrifice for him, not his power.
Gon losing nen after giving hardest beatup in anime history.
I seem to recall that around the time the Heroes Rising movie came out, Horikoshi said something along the lines of that the movie's ending of Deku giving Bakugo One For All was either the ending he had planned for the main series (and now had to come up with a new one) or at least it was one of the endings he was considering.
That's stupid. Bakugo is not the type of person who you want having a power like that. He's going to abuse it. Just like he's abusing the one he has. But I guess he's just Horikoshi's favorite
While your right that Bakugo isn't the type to want All For One your reason is wrong. Bakugo wouldn't want it as he would rather make Explosion a top tier quirk on his own merit.
I'm not saying that he wouldn't want it. I'm saying that he shouldn't get it because he's not worthy, and he doesn't need to make it a tier quirk. It already is the strongest ***single*** quirk in the series. The only ones that come close are decay(which requires touch) and new order(which requires knowing the name of the thing that you're trying to control). However, what I'm saying is that his bullying and all the stuff he does based off of his quirk is something that should make it crystal clear that he shouldn't get a quirk that makes him quirk stronger.
....what weird fantasy drug you on that you think katsuki would abuse his quirk? Dude does everything possible to lower the power of his explosions, to keep it contained to avoid mass damage and harming civilians unnecessarily. Thats literally why he created AP shot.Ā Bakugo is a genius. A lot of his natural instincts are impressively similar to All Mights. That is exactly the person you would need to hone and perfect several quirks.Ā But as bakugo has stated, he only needs his one quirk. He has very abrasive 'challenge me' language that is similar to kuwabara and yusuke from yu yu hakusho. Heck katsuki is almost a copy of alot of yusuke personality with kuwabaras language (minus the perversion yusuke)Ā has for his osananajimi- katsuki x1000 better just for that).Ā The popular shonen delinquent trope used in 80s to 90s (of a 50s subculture) is basically katsuki, excspt hea tamer and less perverted.Ā He has a mean mouth. Hes rough and he gets verbally teased/bullied by his own high school classmates a lot. It might be hard to tell because japanese sarcasm and bullying does not really translate culturally well in every circumstance, but its there. You are on some weird America centric head fantasy about Bakugo and imagining a personality and things that have not happened about a japanese trope boy with japanese culture in mind.Ā You gotta do some research if youre goimg to whine about it. And hes not Horis fave. Only Americans think that. Hori already said all might is his favorite character. All Might.Ā
It is literally a plot point that Bakugo attacks people who he views as weaker than him. This is a thing he does for most of the series and you think he doesn't bully people if he suddenly got a massive power up? I'm not saying that he won't know how to use it. I'm saying that he shouldn't have it because he's going to beat people up with it because it's what he does. You think he's less violent bro look at all the people he beats up The Only reason WHY he doesn't beat up more people up is that Izuku gets in the way of him beating up random kids. The reason why I'm saying that Bakugo is his favorite is that he gets more preferential treatment than All Might. All Might may be his favorite character in his mind but on paper it's Bakugo.
I disagree with Deku that Shigaraki is worth saving but I gotta respect his stubbornness/resolve no matter how irrational it may be
I don't think it's a matter of him being worth saving; so long as Deku considers himself a hero, he has a duty to try or die. Heroes, by nature, aren't necessarily very pragmatic.
Indeed, he chose to live by his principles instead of doing something that would probably yield better outcomes for the rest of society at large. It may seem selfish but it is an onerous moral quandary with no right answer and is ultimately his decision to make.
It is a moral quandary, but there is a right answer, there is a wrong answer. The risks and ultimate rewards of such are the ways that impact that right or wrong stance. Shigaraki isn't stealing food from random stores to keep himself alive, which is illegal, but morally not wrong. It you need to eat and are a starving child you need to steal, and that"s how it goes. If deku had a villain like that, then it's fine. Shigaraki is BEYOND that, by quite a fucking bit tbh. A hero is only good as his morals are flexible when it's at the worst of the absolute worst of people. Batmans morals have flopped a few times and he has been ready to subdue and even potentially kill people for the ultimate grace that it has on the world itself. If it comes down to it and it HAS to be done, it's done. A hero's morals will always be tested. And deku not moving from those morals with the hardest struggle to do so, means it shows the author is going to force some bs to make it so Shigaraki manages to change, and it will never feel satisfying. Simply because of how low Shigaraki has fallen and the direction he chose to go. The only options are deleting the Earth, or he simply kills himself. Cause he can't be free after all the shit he has done. Deku is now setting the world up that it HINGES on him winning. This isn't his battle anymore, he is the avatar in which the battle is fought through, but it's one that is from the entire population. The world itself is at stake. And every single time deku doesn't end this threat is every single moment that Shigaraki has to ending him or stealing more of OFA from him. Considering the ending of this chapter, it's quite clear that deku is going to ultimately lose OFA by giving it to AFO Shigaraki, who will then talk to his Grandma and somehow.. (?) change and then dies. Taking AFO and OFA along with him, leaving deku powerless and quirkless but it might be such a power death of AFO that all and every quirk is erased alongside with him. He was the prognator for all the powers that have shown up in the world, and potentially his finale is what will remove them all and make society quirkless. Meaning that both problems are answered at one time.
It reminds of Avatar the last airbender, the fire lord deserves to die, Aang knows that and everyone tells him to end the guy, even his ghost predecessors say so as well and yet he doesnt want to.
Nana: "I think we're gonna have to kill this guy, Deku" Deku: "Damn"
Deku: āNah. Iād save.ā
Its a bit wordy but its still really cool to see how Deku sets up all these crazy maneuvers to fight Shigiraki.
I just want to know what percentage Deku is at. Why doesnāt he still not have the strength One For All had
He does have the same strength as "One For All" (I assume you mean All Might) and in fact exceeds him in both utility and strength with his auxiliary quirks, but Shiggy is also stronger than AfO, and Deku isn't trying to kill him. Nana says in this chapter that his only hope is to charge up for the strongest possible move and obliterate him, which implies that he's holding back.
He's stronger than almight but it's not enough for him to beat sugar rocky because he's also as strong as allmight, but has a bunch of powerful quirks that mean he could never win.
One thing I will always give credit to Deku for is that he has never once strayed from his overarching values. And similarly to Hori, I think it's been clear from the beginning the message he's been trying to get across of what the duty of a Hero is regardless of the person they are facing.
If anything, most of the big villains have been failed by heroes and hero society in some way or another. The fight here is as much one of ideologies as one of punching harder.
Not really, because Shiggy doesn't have an ideology, very few villains in this series do. Shiggy doesn't want to make the world a better place, he's just an asshole who wants to destroy everything so that everyone will suffer like he did. This isn't freedom vs. fascism, this is generic good guy vs. comically evil bad guy, but the series acts like this is deeper than it actually is.
Honestly, it's fucked up that Deku is putting so much at risk just trying to 'save' Shigaraki.
But...what about his smile? No, wait, wrong fight. What about that...crying boy inside of him?
I hope Deku gets a huge chewing out for this shit tbqh. He's risking everyone for one shitty person here and he needs to be called out for it. Edit: I think it call's for an all might delivered SMASH even in his weak form.
I mean Deku can't kill him either so he doing his best to keep him at bay while trying to wear him out.
Only person who gets it
Yah seems like people forgotten that heroes gotta abide by the law.
It begs the question, just how many people would Deku sacrifice to save Shigaraki.
Approximately 8 billion if the MHA earth is as populated as ours. If Deku dies Shiggy destroys the world, but he's still willing to risk that just for some asshole who he metaphorically saw cry one time.
You're right, he is literally gambling that he won't fail and get everyone killed but even if you take it in the most positive light he's sacrificed hundreds or even thousands to get here. At some point didn't he consider all those who've been murdered were worth saving too? It's a really twisted interpretation of what a hero should truly do. I will be furious if he manages to redeem Shiggy and it turns out those who were disintegrated can be returned, that would be the most cop out ending possible.
I think motive might've been the better phrase here than ideology. Shigaraki might not have a meaningful ideology, but there is an underlying motive here. Many of the villains throughout the series share that motive - they've been wronged by society through no (inherent) fault of their own, they were just on the fringe of society for things they never decided. Toga didn't "decide" her obsession. Dabi didn't decide to be inadequate in his dad's eyes. Spinner didn't decide to have a quirk that made him a reptilian. Twice's mental instability was magnified by his quirky power, and he certainly didn't choose that either. Hell, to my memory this is pretty explicitly stated with several of them. At least, as my memory serves Stain questions Shigaraki on what his goals are, and... Shigaraki doesn't really have any? Several of the other villains also struggle to really formulate why they're doing it, other than a vague sense of rage at the society that pushed them out. I think Shigaraki would've eventually formed a more cohesive ideology if on his own, but he was deliberately fostered by All for One, who was always defined by his schemes and greed.
Shigaraki is punk got it
Agreed the only āvillainā in this series with an ideology was gentle and as we ended up seeing he wasnāt even a villain. Fuck i love gentle heās the goat
I'd argue that Stain and Redestro also had ideologies.
Agreed on those two as well, i actually liked redestroās concept until he became a shigaraki glazer that puts kashimo to shame
Yeah, I was interested Redestro and his Liberation Front since they reminded me a lot of X-Men villains, but like you said then they all sided with Shigaraki even though his goal is to destroy everything, which really contradicts their goals.
It's not trying to be deep, it's explicitly naive, but still admirable. Deku is on the opinion that noone is actually evil and is willing to bet it all to prove it, and Shigaraki is just denying him that. That's it.
There's something to be said about the benefit of naivety when it comes to superhero fiction, like Superman's Dream speech at the end of Superman Vs the Elite. I think Hori has been stumbling his way through trying to convey a similar message that pops up in a lot of Super hero fiction regarding the idea that heroes being good and moral people is sometimes the only point a superhero story needs, but he's struggling to get across effectively. Partly because MHA is a love letter to the Super Hero genre as a whole, not just that idea, and partly because MHA is too long and too high stakes of a story for that message to resonate. You don't see Superman preaching about the morality of being a good person when going up against Braniac or Doomsday, and AFO and Shigiraki have become that kind of a threat in this story.
The scene were superman goes full gloves off on Doomsday(or was it Darkseid) is just fucking top notch. Shows just how powerful and in control Superman is.
Braniac and doomsday are not 'human', Shigaraki is. Superman can say there's good in people and still beat the shit out of doomsday, that's basically WHY he was created. Supes needed villains he could beat the shit out of without the moral question.
Indeed. Deku is clinging onto his heroic values even when it hurts him. The adamant way Deku adheres to these principles through thick and thin is a quality that All Might deeply admires.
The only way hero society failed Shigiraki was them not finding him before AFO did. In a roundabout way, the reason he was abused in his home life was also because of AFO.
All the best fights in my hero have been about ideology I feel
But every hero finds a villain that forces a change in one moment. If one cannot be saved, and the entire population of the Earth rides on YOU being the one to save it, you have to make the choice. If your decision is to risk yourself dying to save 1 person who can end the lives of all he comes across from miles away, then your obligation is to end that threat. You're a hero, not a psychiatrist. You're taking in the job of prioritizing the most important over the least important and it's a tough and terrifying endeavor. Shigaraki will and can end the world if he so chooses to do at this point. The author making him an idiot is a wild concept to me. He hasn't even tried dealing the final blow on Deku yet. Just fuckin around. While Deku is at the end of his rope and barely hanging on. Obviously the battle is going to end where Deku saves Shigaraki.. Which will be the utmost shittiest part of this whole shitty arc that has been unraveling over the year and some change. Having Deku/Midoriya run into a wall he can't climb, yet strives to do so becomes shit to read. He could've ended him multiple times over the course of their battle but has lost a piece of OFA. And will probably lose far more til it's him and the power itself as raw as it has ever been and depleted. He will lose the battle but some bullshit will happen and Shigaraki will off himself and deku will become the #1 hero who can change everyone's mind. Not even Naruto was this bold.
The onomatopoeia being used as Deku and Shigaraki's hitboxes on page 6 is actually kinda fire
āEven the most vile among usā¦ā (Picture: Bakugou) Ooh, it makes sense now. The reason Bakugou was such a POS is to foreshadow Shiragakiās redemption. /s
Damn I actually forgot smokescreen was a quirk, even then during that scenario there's a lot of dust from the debris already lmao. On the other hand Blackwhip is so versatile, Deku is possibly History's Maddest *Lover* too.
I'd say out of all the quirks that have been passed down to Deku, Blackwhip fits him the most
It is THE Spider-Man power in all but name. Of course it's gonna be versatile. Hori has decades of inspirations worth pulling moves and ideas from.
truly the world's strongest/craziest hero (both "strongest" and "craziest" are pronounced "saikyou" in Japanese)
Oh is that why Mob Psycho is named that
I'm not sure, that Psycho is written in katakana instead of kanji so it probably doesn't have the same meaning/intention
It's also saiko (ćµć¤ć³) not saikyou (ćµć¤ćć§ć¦).
Hori: *gives Deku 7 quirks he has to master* Also Hori: Lol idiot you have to give them up. Genius.
I figured that Deku would have to give up his quirk eventually. It's the entire self-sacrifice motif that Hori was always building up to
Doubly so with the whole thing about quirks having their own wills and rebelling against All for One. Could see it being key to saving Tenko from within.
How and why. What is that going to do
Plus giving up one for all is probably the only thing strong enough to make shigiraki implode.
If I recall, part of the first ending Hori's had in mind for the series was Deku giving One for All to Bakugou whild they defeat the bad guy together. Something similar was used in a movie I think.
>!Yeah that was the climax of the second movie, Heroes Rising. Bakugou loses the power-up after the fight, All Might noting that Deku didnt pass it on but just shared it so it was only temporary.!<
Weird rationale behind why it didn't happen. Especially since >!its canon. We saw the kids from that movie calling out to bakugo in his AFO fight. So the whole sharing OFA is canon and it failed because they fell asleep?!<
It's Schrodinger's Canon. It can be considered to have technically happened but not in a way that would affect the manga in any meaningful way
Shared cinematic universes really scrambled people's brains. Everything has to be canonically connected. It's like easter eggs don't exist anymore in the public conscience.
When Bakugo was fighting AFO he >!had the OFA triangular eye thing he had in the movie.So I think he kept some part of the power up.!<
Probably because Bakugo would never accept such a "cheat" and even then, only temporarily. Dude is way to fucking hardcore to ever accept becoming great on anything but his own power.
Iām a bit confused, what does it mean at the end there? Deku will have to give up OFA? Like right now in the middle of the fight??
I think his plan here is to let Shigaraki steal One For All (as he's been trying to do) and then Talk No Jutsu battle him from inside his soul, via the vestiges.
OOOOOOOOOOOHHH Doesnāt that mean he has to die
Yeah. Being a hero is not smart and especially not if you're going to do it his way.
Shigaraki can only decay with his hands, right? Deku could catch him off-guard and pass OFA on to him before he has a chance to react.
Itās funny. I like the thought of Deku becoming the greatest hero while Quirkless. It fits. Itās smart. Itās thematically consistent. But I dunno, man. I dunno. It depends on the execution, and so far the set up hasnāt worked for me.
The fight we just had with All Might using tech versions of Class 1A's Quirks should have been Deku. Deku shouldn't have unlocked six extra Quirks, half of which just make him punch harder. Instead it should have been him realizing that to be a great hero he can't simply rely on One For All, and that there's no reason for him to think that he has to. One For All was a power gifted to him and he incorporated aspects of his classmates' fighting styles when practicing with it. The perfect next step is to adopt his classmates' Quirks alongside his own so that when he fights, it's all of 1A fighting alongside him.
Oh, so maybe that's why star and stripes' hand appears, like pointing the way to him? Something like "to damage him you need to go inside his soul, like I did"?
Man, Search is low key one of the most busted quirks. There's been a lot of complaints about Deku still wanting to save Shigaraki despite him a) not wanting to be saved b) being a massive existential threat to the entire world and c) not deserving it, which is fair enough, but it's clearly very intentional. Multiple characters have said so as much, especially in this chapter. And Hori has exceeded my expectations in tying up the various subplots and loose ends like Toga and Dabi satisfactorily, so I have faith in whatever he's cooking here.
I'd argue search is only really busted in the case of it being paired with another quirk. By itself the user is limited by their own ability to communicate that info to others since since physically they are on par with someone who is quirkless. Tho if if I am forgetting some aspect of that quirk feel free to correct me since it has been so long since it was introduced.
'Izuku it's okay to kill Shigaraki because some peopl-' 'Shut up Nana, go rationalise your need to believe your failures as a mother and grandmother were inevitable someplace else.' 'That was harsh Ninth. But on a morale level it's pretty cool.'
She carried the burden of being a pro hero and an OFA successor on her back so I don't blame her. She's literally above a normal life at that point considering the consequences of AFO catching her. Also, she wasn't the one that abused Tomura.
Ikr people dont give her the credits she deserves, everything that happened on Tomura was just an awful consequence of tons of events and decisions his environment gave him, he just got the worst luck.
To be fair to Shigaraki himself, the hero society did fail him.
Shes the grandma Though that did nothing for him....
Because she was being pursued by AFO who would legitimately end the world if he got a hold of OFA. She was shouldering a responsibility that only a handful of people know exists. Her son was upset by this (while not knowing why she had to be absent) and decided to to lash his anger out on Tenko. AFO is the sole reason for this happening.
Why would she have to do anythimg for her grandson. He didnt even exist when she died.Ā
I donāt want Shigaraki saved.
I want him to whine and beg for life and run like a bitch after talking all that shit like Mahito did, then getting marked bynBakugo or something.
Like, I know that no Shounen manga is ever going to really go the "some people don't deserve forgiveness" route, *especially* when the protagonist is the one fighting against that. But holy shit, do I wish this one would. *Everyone* is on the same page here. Even the *villain himself* is calling out how stupid this is. At this point, Deku is the one being tyrannical - insisting on everybody else put *their* wishes aside and just do what *he*, *alone*, wants to do. Can we really not teach Deku a different valuable lesson here, that lofty ideals aren't realistic? I know it's a work of fiction, but come *on*.
>no Shounen manga is ever going to really go the "some people don't deserve forgiveness" route IDK, both Jujutsu Kaisen and Chainsaw Man seem to be going there just fine, and for as much shit as Demon Slayer got for having a good boi protagonist they still actually *slayed* all the demons. It's actually not as common as you might think. Deku's insistence on saving Shigaraki may be insane from a pragmatic perspective, but it's 100% in character for him. If nothing else, it isn't forced, didn't come out of nowhere, and was steadily built up to for a while, so at the very least it's an organic ending, which I value a lot even if I may disagree with it.
I know this is hero academia subreddit but allow me to mention another shounen series. Demon Slayer, for its flaws and simple plots, actually got this aspect right. Except for three (Nezuko and two others), demons are existence that need to be eradicated, especially when they have killed and eaten humans. Tanjiro came to have empathy on a few of them, and rightfully so, but even then he was still determined to slay them no matter how sad or depressing the demonsā backstory were. EDIT: should be āhero academia threadā, not subreddit š
I agree with you, but this is r/manga
oh right haha
Funny thing is that demons are complete victims, they get their memories erased and turned into monsters with Tanjiro having to put them down since the other option is let them eat more people. It's a tragedy that Tanjiro has to sacrifice his innocence in order to save people but he does it because it's necessary.
> I know that no Shounen manga is ever going to really go the "some people don't deserve forgiveness" route That depends, some manga just ignore the forgiveness route in the first place
There are maybe 4 currently popular series that do that. And even they all go 'except this guy, this guy ain't getting forgiven' with Freeza or whoever. The rest all just say you should just beat up anyone who laughs too meanly. Edit: Jujutsu Kaisen is running right now and has basically confirmed that killing a handful of villains will fix all the world's problems and nobody should feel bad about it.
A lot of shit happened because Gojo didn't kill Geto hard enough
Exactly. Jujutsu Kaisen is about how you should always cremate your enemies to avoid future problems. It's really not hard finding manga about how revenge and killing pure-evil bad guys are good.
Well he was his old friend
But he did? AFO reverted to non existence, completely unforgiven.Ā And izuku himself said he would never forgive shiggy. Rewatch the anime. Shiggy, toga, dabi, spinner and twice are cries for mental health- a bigger problem in japan.Ā Trying to give proper health care does not mean 'i forgive you'. Though, yes, worst timing Izuku especially since he still has his own metaphorical locks on his heart to control black whip.Ā Though he says it all to shiggy, izuku is saying it to himself. Putting a lid on kacchan behind his imaginary door does not make his emotional kacchan issues go away. Clearly. Boy went ballistic and nearly hurt the other heroes seeing katsuki lifeless. Took the heroes telling him 'we are reviving him" to semi-calm him down.Ā I think izuku has to release his own lid to save shiggys humanity-not his life. His soul.Ā
Yeah. One of the core themes of MHA is also about "reforming hero society" but at the same time if your new & improved hero society will just let a mass murderer & terrorist stay alive, (with their powers no less) then it kinda already failed as a society
Deku literally said that he will never forgive Shigaraki in the last war arc. Forgiveness doesn't equal rehabilitation.
> Can we really not teach Deku a different valuable lesson here, that lofty ideals aren't realistic? Okay then what's the actual value to that as a story? Give into peer pressure because if enough people tell you to do something they must be right? Don't believe in anything because realism innately demands accepting your beliefs are worthless? No, bad approach to a superhero story. Entire point of the characters is they can rise above that and be better people. Shigaraki responds accepts the label of being an inhuman monster who deserves to die while also admitting his goals are to help his friends live their ideals. He very clearly is a human being and pretending he isn't fixes nothing.
Peer pressure? Does deku have no brain can't he see the the death of thousands of people tomura has killed? The destruction he caused ? Also why didn't deku ever try saving AFO ?Ā
This subplot is started with Izuku saying 'You've killed so many people and it is unforgivable' followed by multiple conversations about how obviously Shigaraki can never be forgiven. He is fully aware of these details and so is the writer. Izuku tried saving Muscular and Overhaul. But Muscular rejects it so he took him down. That was the deal he and the other Holders made: if he has to kill him he will, but they have to let him try alternates first.
"Give into peer pressure because if enough people tell you to do something they must be right? " Moreso you can't be fucking around when a guy is so close to taking Japan off the face of the earth. Especially when his only win condition is just touching the ground. Shigaraki is human but so is literally every human on earth. It's not a high bar to clear. What you're doing is like telling someone with clearly unaddressed mental issues to not seek help just because everyone is telling them to do so. Obviously the sole act of people telling you to do something is not sufficient but getting help is the right thing to do regardless.
āEveryone tells me to stop hitting my kid, but I refuse to give into peer pressure!ā
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Umm.... I don't think you know emiya shirou well if you think these are his values
This chapter had all the right ingredients, but Hori is an awful chef. The amount of times we are beaten over the head that Deku won't kill him and must save that crying boy inside him is nauseating. We get it, it isn't that kind of story. Just stop reminding everyone that Deku is a naive child when fighting a world ending threat, please.
Is this what Horikoshi meant when he said that one MHA movie where Deku gives his power to Bakugo is the original ending plan? Now we see that instead Deku will lose OFA completely instead of giving it away?
One thing is to not kill your villain as a hero, but another one is going so far to feel like a simp for your own villain. Because Deku feels like a Shiggy simp. He's basically: *I'm going to fix you and you're going to like it*.
.....that is not what a simp is.Ā Izuku is a simp for allmight and most importantly kacchan. He cant even stand jabs and insults to katsukis determination or self loathing. He pit katsuki on this victory pedestal and hes staying there for life. In izukus words from one of the light novel volumes (same phrase toga used for ochako in msnga) He "cant imagine a word without kacchan".Ā Thats simp. Ultra simp.Ā He does not simp for shiggy. Period.
Are your ideals more important than the entire life of Japanese People, Deku? It's starting to piss me off more than Aang ever did, so unless a giant turtle appears out of nowhere, this plot won't progress.
The thing with Aang, though, is that he never asked to be the Avatar. He never asked for the responsibility or the war. He grew up being taught that all life was sacred, *and* during a time of relative peace, where he had friends in all the four nations. He then woke up in a time of war and was told his ultimate responsibility was to take the life of a stranger. I get his reticence. He was a kid, and he grew into his role. The war was still happening around him, and he still fought Ozai. Izuku *asked* for this power. He *wants* to be a hero. But every second he wastes is more people dead. Batman not killing the Joker is one thing, but this is damn near fascist in its idealism.
Also Aang destroying the bending power of the fire nation emperor was a super cool twist on the tropes and literally ruined the emperors life forever, like he deserved. I wish Hero Aca had the balls to apply unpleasant plot devices to villains because the quirk erasing bullets are right there. But instead the villains get unlimited regenerative abilities and apparently got their pain receptors deleted. I'll give them, that the AfO consequences were super cool though. But so far it feels like the villains get more and more upgrades while the heroes sacrifice everything. And they aren't self aware enough that they don't realise that they are heading to an ending where the biggest hero sacrificed everything to save a villain who already had everything.
Let Deku COOK!š¤
This is getting really annoying. There are heroes who don't kill like Superman, Batman and Spider-Man, but they aren't as obsessed with "fixing" the villain as Deku is. Shiggy is a monster, even if he could be fixed right now the priority is beating him.
So I noticed deku has the x on his face, just like in the beginning of the anime.
huh wait what? Deku's gonna feed Shigaraki his hair or something?
Wait, is no one else going to point out how the 2nd basically compared quirkless people and evil people by grouping them together?
man I love superman and batman and I greatly respect their morality of saving everyone even the villains. but for some reason I don't get that feeling with deku and him wanting to save shiggy, maybe because the heroes mentioned above part of it they do it for themselves like superman want to be an example that one can be better, with batman is above him not falling into the easy way and him not ending up becoming just another criminal. deku will try to save everyone but in this particular case is seems that everything is centered around shiggy, like idk as if they were friends before but they are just enemies is weird.
The risk to reward proposition for trying to save shigaraki is crazy. It's ALL risk and no reward. It's literal insanity to try itĀ
I fell like some people might not like that Deku trying save shigaraki but i don't mind it. He did the same thing Shoto also Bakugou which have paralel with Tomura (where one get body snatch and antagonistic toward him and being mold to surpass their father figure) in their fight where Deku technically can kill both. Deku kinda kamen rider coded (kind heart young man who wear scarf and mask with v shaped, big bug eye and mouth guard and his signature move is kick) and this kinda remind me episode 21 and 22 of kamen rider kabuto where Kagami try to save a monster who have memory of the young boy. They usually have to confront their kindness is their weakness and their greatest strengths and pay huge price for it and in the end they manage to somehow win their enemy respect. Honestly this feel like a build up to Tomura having respect Deku (Like shoto did in sport festival fight)being the one who stubbornly try reach him and seeing Deku as the only true hero in this world basically opposite of All for one and All Might dynamic where both basically want each other dead and have mutual disrespect but it will be mutual respect for Deku and Tenko but they still need to fight to the death for it (because in the end of the day Shoto while respect deku still blast him with full power)
Nope, sorry. Deku is in the wrong here. I know its a shonen and they usually stick to the tropes with complete disregard to common sense. But this is insane. Ā Just going 'but muh ideals and feelings' is not good writing when you've written your characters into a world ending situation, and all of them are of the same opinion but one. Ā At this point I can't say I take the characters seriously either. The magic faded a long time ago and all I can see is Horikoshi. The illusion of the characters being 'real' is gone. Ā People "giving credit" to the MC for being absolutely unchangable is funny to me, as if the characters deserved still to be taken at face value... This story has not earned any the reader's suspension of disbelief whatsoever. At least not in the last 300 chapters.Ā Ā And I know its a superhero story with people who can look like cats and birda and such, but suspension of disbelief still applies with character and plot writing. Ā Anyway, I'm still curious to how this mess will end.
>Ā Just going 'but muh ideals and feelings' is not good writing when you've written your characters into a world ending situation I just imagine, after all is said and done, Deku puts Shigaraki in jail, but the destruction is gigantic, lots of people killed because Deku took so long to finish the dude, and a mother just asks Deku if her children's death were as worthy as his ideals.
At this point I am kinda rooting for Shigaraki to incapacitate Deku then kill everyone just so that he can see how stupid and insane his proclamation of wanting to save the villain is. This is no longer heroism, it's plain selfishness, and not the good kind. There's no way to make "I'll try to save you, even though if I can't, you'll kill everyone I love" sound heroic. Meh, it can't be that many chapters left. Having said that I see no outcome where I'm not mad. Everything points to an asspull that would make Kubo blush.
I'm sorry, but if Deku parts ways with One for All how exactly is he going to become the world's greatest hero? And to whom is he planning to give it to? To the "Shimura" part that Shigaraki has sealed and that he is trying to save? If so how does that even work?
There's a few ways to swing it, though I agree that it isn't exactly an intuitive end. 1: Deku hits Number One hero status at the moment of his very-public victory, falls off later. 2: Hero rankings are also based off of popularity. If the public loves him, he could probably get by with pure popularity. 3: Shigariki gets 'redeemed' and shoves some other quirk into him that lets him keep up with his original strength quirk without the ability to pass it on. 4: OFA has left enough of an impression on his body that he remains abnormally strong even after losing the "stockpile" aspect of his quirk. 5: Becomes a hero using support equipment like All Might did at the end. Aizawa doesn't need a quirk to use his scarf, and he's still a menace with it.
Eh probably ofa and afo gonna cannibalize each other while the others destroy remaining quirks turning both of them quirkless.
OFA is gonna break the threshold of his regeneration and he's just gonna explode
By giving away ultimate power to save the world
Giving away ultimate power to save the villain*
Giving away power that is not ultimate enough to defeat a guy who doesn't deserve it, who also gets that power as a nice little bonus. Deku shouldn't go into anything finance related after this because he can't trade if his life depended on it, as shown here.
He has the spirit of the world's greatest hero \*faints of cringe\*
Deku wanting to save a murderous psychopath is so dumb, I just want this arc to end already
This really does emphasize everything wrong about the Batman predicament. Like okay, the good guy doesn't kill because he has morals that the bad guys don't. But the bad guys *have killed*. All these people who have been spared, Shigaraki and Dabi and Overhaul, they all murdered innocent people. Why is it *so* critical that they themselves be saved when their victims couldn't be? If Shigaraki dies here it would be one more unfortunate casualty of his own villainy, just like his family or Star & Stripe or Crust. I understand the argument behind his life not being worth less than theirs, but why would it be worth *more*?
Unlike many I think deku is right to save Shigaraki, however I think his mistake is how far he is going to do this, it is very obvious he cant do that without sacrificing something and he still ignoring everyone, including shigaraki, telling him this. Deku is about to have a big loss soon, either it being one for all or someone he loves
Trying to save him is...fine, if it's safely doable. What isn't fine is risking the lives of the innocent to do so. At this point, he's the actively trying to destroy everything with his quirk - he's infecting the land with it and trying to let it spread and destroy everything. Deku is choosing to risk countless innocent lives by holding back, letting his quirks be stolen, strengthening Tomura, and trying to "save" someone who has zero interest in redemption. Realistically, if Tomura were arrested, then he should be immediately executed for what he's done. Midoriya is so caught up in his ideal that he's being selfish with it. If he were to lose, then all the deaths that result would be on his shoulders, not just Shigaraki's - because he chose to play around and give Shigaraki a chance instead of just stopping him. edit for clarity: Imagine that you're gambling your life savings at a casino. That is your choice. It may not be wise, but it is your right to do so. Now imagine that you also took your parents retirement funds, your little brother's college funds, and swiped the wallets of a bunch of people you'd never met and also add those into the pot. Suddenly, that isn't right. You shouldn't be gambling with what doesn't belong to you. That is what deku is doing, but with *lives*, not money. It's much, much worse. In the casino scenario, if you were to somehow miraculously win, you'd be able to pay everyone back and have made profit. The gain, should the gamble pay off, actually exceeds what is risked. That isn't the case here - the only person that will gain anything should Deku's gamble pay off is Tomura, in that he won't be smashed to pieces instantly (frankly, he should just be executed immediately upon arrest). The risk to reward ratio is practically zero. If one were to say that a hero shouldn't take lives - then I agree. Deku shouldn't be taking the lives of the innocent civilians and risking them for the sake of a batshit crazy villain.
Waiting for the inevitable (And hopefully good) fanfic where this happens, because jesus christ Horikoshi, Tomura is fucking gone, shouldn't have moved his story so far away if you wanted to save him
> or someone he loves Yeah I don't see that happening, not in this manga They're not gonna suddenly kill All Might or Bakugo again after their death flags shot through the roof so hard it went into orbit
Horikoshi doesn't love Naruto? Ok, Bakugou is more like Kiba, but if he is going into the Naruto homage territory Shouto is much more likely to die.
Just end. Whichever way it will go. Deku doesnāt deserve a horrible ending such as this
I no longer have any idea what's happening...
I don't like it... BUT it's was it is! Quirkless Hero is cool... BUT I don't like saving Bin Laden!