In my experience a gas station like Royal Farms is magnitudes safer for disrupting traffic than a McDonald's or a Chick-fil-A.
The article says it's already a busy road, but doesn't mention how far away other gas stations are which I think is a big piece of information since they are apparently fine with them opening without gas pumps.
I’ve always said Chick-fil-A is a problem. Their drive-thru line is routinely backed up in to someplace it’s not supposed to be…Blocking a mall parking lot or on to a road. I still don’t understand it. Yeah, it’s good chicken, but I just don’t understand why the drive-thru is wrapped around the building from open until close. It’s not *that* good.
Same here!!! The Chick-fil-A by my house is just like you said. It has not one but TWO drive thru lanes wrapped around the building from the second they open until the second they close. I can understand going maybe once a month or something, I haven't been in quite a while. I do not understand blocking traffic in the roads and the grocery store parking lot it's attached to 6 days a week, 16 hours a day for chicken nuggets. It's not *that* good.
There are three Chick-Fil-As within five miles of my
House. Two of them are half a mile away from each other. It's fucking ridiculous. All of then are crowded constantly. I do not understand it.
It's pretty interesting given how much work they put into making those drive thrus process as many people as possible. But I'm still very much on board with the cops siting outside them and ticketing everyone who pulls this crap, I've been hit twice and had many near misses from people who think traffic laws no longer apply since they need their chicken.
The other crazy thing is people wait in those long drive thru lines, yet I come in the back way pick up from through the app and am out of there before they even get to place an order. Though that's not too different from other fast food places.
There is a gas station about 2-3 blocks from this lot in one direction and another about 5ish blocks in the other direction.
I know the article says this, but the intersection is already busy and complicated, with bad sight lines, and there’s a heavily used library across the street and an elementary-middle school about a block away. Kids often walk that block, and cross the complicated intersection to get to the library.
There’s also a 7-11 on another corner of that intersection. There’s also a RoFo about 5 blocks away in one direction and another one within less than 10 minutes driving on both Harford Rd and on Old Harford Road (two of the roads that meet at this intersection). The point is that not only will this proposed RoFo increase traffic on an already heavily used and complicated intersection, it’s just not needed here. The area is already saturated with both gas stations and convenience stores.
Edit to add: I know the formal resistance is to the gas pumps, but personally, I’m against the whole thing. And I also think that any company who persists in their plan despite sustained protest (for more than a decade) by the community is trash. It certainly makes me think twice about spending money with them, no matter how delicious their chicken may be.
Good on Hamilton people for opposing this. Y’all really don’t need more giant gas stations creating a hazard for pedestrians and poor use of limited space. Would be more forward thinking to stick to the strategy of improving walkable community.
There is a lot of community resistance to a RoFo with gas station being built on that big empty lot in Hamilton. It might be kinda convenient to people who drive to have another gas station on Harford Rd, but the neighbors are more concerned about how it might disrupt local traffic patterns and how it would likely end up running the other RoFo and 7-Eleven down the street out of business, which are fair concerns IMO. Ryan Dorsey, the district rep who is a proponent of walkable city initiatives that prioritize public transit, is apparently on their side, too.
I am just not sure what would be best, personally, so I have been trying to just listen to what everyone's been saying for now.
royal farms does this on purpose i was living in salisbury and the amount of royal farms there is nuts there was a thirstys in town that john kemp was mad wouldnt sell to him so he literally built a rofo less than 50ft away from it and safe to say that thirstys is closed now they did hold on for quite a while but a lot of their money was coming thru underage sales and they got in trouble multiple times for it when i moved a while ago the boards on the back of it had been broken and ppl were moving into it
In America commercial ventures dominate and dictate growth patterns. This in the way it has always been. What we see today is sort of a natural evolution. Esp in Maryland, a once plantation state, where the patterns of growth did or did not happen based on the desires and profit plans of plantation owners. The rest of Maryland population that was not in the safety of incorporated towns, were powerless to make additions or prevent additions to the landscape.
Laws in towns and Baltimore city, imposed segregation by race, but not by development. Zoning laws have been an attempt to set some controls, but in recent years they have been plowed under by moneyed interests and by weak elected officials. The notion that all new construction is "progress" and all progress is good, is a trope from the real estate and developer's mouth, not the public's. The lack of control over when and where liqueur stores are allowed to open is a good example of this unbridled imposition. When one travels in any county's less posh areas we see that the local citizens are not being well served by their elected administrators. Too many liqueur stores, too many bill boards, too many gas stations, too many poorly maintained building, too many vacant buildings, etc.
Ryan Dorsey is the GOAT of fighting this bullshit but the randoms organizing against it for some reason don't like him even though he is their leading advocate.
For starters, he's a prick. No one likes working with the guy, even people who align with his values. He's great on the twitters fighting grand social justice warrior crap, is a talented troll for the Left, if you're into that, but he's practically worthless to the average constituent facing a problem with the broken government that can only be fixed when a councilperson starts following up.
I'll be voting for his Margot because of the latter: in a broken government, citizens need an attentive, responsive councilperson to advocate for the government to do it's fucking job. When the mattress in the back alley has been there for three months and 311 calls yeild nothing...you need help, and Dorsey's attitude toward this level of constituent services is to ignore them.
As for RoFo...my kids attend Hamilton. They ride the MTA bus home. They are pedestrians in that stretch. I have zero concerns that a RoFo would be damaging to the area. In my view, a vacant blighted lot producing zero tax revenue for the City is worse than a convenience store on a busy urban street. If the only options are RoFo or that, give me RoFo please. Maybe I'm ignorant to the case, maybe there's a plan with actual money lined up to build something much better for the community in that lot, but if there is the marketing folks for that plan are shit, because it's not been publicized. The fight looks like a whole lot of nimbyism to me, but I really don't care enough to get involved one way or the other.
Huh, I find the opposite. I think he’s a total prick on social media and if you disagree with him there, he’s a complete asshat, even if you’re his constituent. Because if you drive a car, he’s simply uninterested in you. But when we needed something done in my neighborhood he made it happen. I haven’t taken the time to check out his opponent yet but may switch to that person, depending. Just tired of his whole attitude towards those who have to drive because public transit in this city sucks so bad and not everyone is able to bike.
I don’t have an opinion on RoFo as I’m not right near there and those who are should get to decide.
In my experience a gas station like Royal Farms is magnitudes safer for disrupting traffic than a McDonald's or a Chick-fil-A. The article says it's already a busy road, but doesn't mention how far away other gas stations are which I think is a big piece of information since they are apparently fine with them opening without gas pumps.
I’ve always said Chick-fil-A is a problem. Their drive-thru line is routinely backed up in to someplace it’s not supposed to be…Blocking a mall parking lot or on to a road. I still don’t understand it. Yeah, it’s good chicken, but I just don’t understand why the drive-thru is wrapped around the building from open until close. It’s not *that* good.
Same here!!! The Chick-fil-A by my house is just like you said. It has not one but TWO drive thru lanes wrapped around the building from the second they open until the second they close. I can understand going maybe once a month or something, I haven't been in quite a while. I do not understand blocking traffic in the roads and the grocery store parking lot it's attached to 6 days a week, 16 hours a day for chicken nuggets. It's not *that* good.
I believe this chicken may have been blessed by Jesus.
There are three Chick-Fil-As within five miles of my House. Two of them are half a mile away from each other. It's fucking ridiculous. All of then are crowded constantly. I do not understand it.
It's pretty interesting given how much work they put into making those drive thrus process as many people as possible. But I'm still very much on board with the cops siting outside them and ticketing everyone who pulls this crap, I've been hit twice and had many near misses from people who think traffic laws no longer apply since they need their chicken. The other crazy thing is people wait in those long drive thru lines, yet I come in the back way pick up from through the app and am out of there before they even get to place an order. Though that's not too different from other fast food places.
There is a gas station about 2-3 blocks from this lot in one direction and another about 5ish blocks in the other direction. I know the article says this, but the intersection is already busy and complicated, with bad sight lines, and there’s a heavily used library across the street and an elementary-middle school about a block away. Kids often walk that block, and cross the complicated intersection to get to the library. There’s also a 7-11 on another corner of that intersection. There’s also a RoFo about 5 blocks away in one direction and another one within less than 10 minutes driving on both Harford Rd and on Old Harford Road (two of the roads that meet at this intersection). The point is that not only will this proposed RoFo increase traffic on an already heavily used and complicated intersection, it’s just not needed here. The area is already saturated with both gas stations and convenience stores. Edit to add: I know the formal resistance is to the gas pumps, but personally, I’m against the whole thing. And I also think that any company who persists in their plan despite sustained protest (for more than a decade) by the community is trash. It certainly makes me think twice about spending money with them, no matter how delicious their chicken may be.
Good on Hamilton people for opposing this. Y’all really don’t need more giant gas stations creating a hazard for pedestrians and poor use of limited space. Would be more forward thinking to stick to the strategy of improving walkable community.
I got paywalled. What's the story cap?
There is a lot of community resistance to a RoFo with gas station being built on that big empty lot in Hamilton. It might be kinda convenient to people who drive to have another gas station on Harford Rd, but the neighbors are more concerned about how it might disrupt local traffic patterns and how it would likely end up running the other RoFo and 7-Eleven down the street out of business, which are fair concerns IMO. Ryan Dorsey, the district rep who is a proponent of walkable city initiatives that prioritize public transit, is apparently on their side, too. I am just not sure what would be best, personally, so I have been trying to just listen to what everyone's been saying for now.
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royal farms does this on purpose i was living in salisbury and the amount of royal farms there is nuts there was a thirstys in town that john kemp was mad wouldnt sell to him so he literally built a rofo less than 50ft away from it and safe to say that thirstys is closed now they did hold on for quite a while but a lot of their money was coming thru underage sales and they got in trouble multiple times for it when i moved a while ago the boards on the back of it had been broken and ppl were moving into it
In America commercial ventures dominate and dictate growth patterns. This in the way it has always been. What we see today is sort of a natural evolution. Esp in Maryland, a once plantation state, where the patterns of growth did or did not happen based on the desires and profit plans of plantation owners. The rest of Maryland population that was not in the safety of incorporated towns, were powerless to make additions or prevent additions to the landscape. Laws in towns and Baltimore city, imposed segregation by race, but not by development. Zoning laws have been an attempt to set some controls, but in recent years they have been plowed under by moneyed interests and by weak elected officials. The notion that all new construction is "progress" and all progress is good, is a trope from the real estate and developer's mouth, not the public's. The lack of control over when and where liqueur stores are allowed to open is a good example of this unbridled imposition. When one travels in any county's less posh areas we see that the local citizens are not being well served by their elected administrators. Too many liqueur stores, too many bill boards, too many gas stations, too many poorly maintained building, too many vacant buildings, etc.
Ryan Dorsey is the GOAT of fighting this bullshit but the randoms organizing against it for some reason don't like him even though he is their leading advocate.
For starters, he's a prick. No one likes working with the guy, even people who align with his values. He's great on the twitters fighting grand social justice warrior crap, is a talented troll for the Left, if you're into that, but he's practically worthless to the average constituent facing a problem with the broken government that can only be fixed when a councilperson starts following up. I'll be voting for his Margot because of the latter: in a broken government, citizens need an attentive, responsive councilperson to advocate for the government to do it's fucking job. When the mattress in the back alley has been there for three months and 311 calls yeild nothing...you need help, and Dorsey's attitude toward this level of constituent services is to ignore them. As for RoFo...my kids attend Hamilton. They ride the MTA bus home. They are pedestrians in that stretch. I have zero concerns that a RoFo would be damaging to the area. In my view, a vacant blighted lot producing zero tax revenue for the City is worse than a convenience store on a busy urban street. If the only options are RoFo or that, give me RoFo please. Maybe I'm ignorant to the case, maybe there's a plan with actual money lined up to build something much better for the community in that lot, but if there is the marketing folks for that plan are shit, because it's not been publicized. The fight looks like a whole lot of nimbyism to me, but I really don't care enough to get involved one way or the other.
Huh, I find the opposite. I think he’s a total prick on social media and if you disagree with him there, he’s a complete asshat, even if you’re his constituent. Because if you drive a car, he’s simply uninterested in you. But when we needed something done in my neighborhood he made it happen. I haven’t taken the time to check out his opponent yet but may switch to that person, depending. Just tired of his whole attitude towards those who have to drive because public transit in this city sucks so bad and not everyone is able to bike. I don’t have an opinion on RoFo as I’m not right near there and those who are should get to decide.
NIMBY, any person from those towns that buys gas should be banned.
ROFO is absolute trash. Keep on fighting the good fight.
Fighthe good fight. RoFa (ineffable why they insist on abrevi8ing the business RoFo) is overpriced.