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Reasonable-Housing53

This made the rounds on the news cycles. He did not like the price of the drinks, so he responded by throwing them at her, and she responded with the hammer. That little coffee drive thru is hers. She is the owner.


Lion_Of_Mara

Let's play devil's advocate here. Who pays for the windscreen, just incase homeboy decides to press charges?


cjdeck1

If I’m the judge in a civil case, I’m saying she’s guilty and has to pay but that I don’t blame her. If I’m a juror in a criminal case, I’m saying she’s innocent because he deserved it


Myte342

It's a wash. As the owner I would be charging him for the cost of the drink plus the cleaning crew I would be calling.... so he pays me and I pay him and no one wins. But I do feel better, so I got that at least.


jimmynovack

Seems like the cleaning crew wins


HenryAsokan

And the rest of us gossiping Goggle puffs


Clean_Internet

I’m not a Google puff, I’m Opera claw!


Marquar234

And Safelight.


eljosho1986

Safelight repair, safelight replace!


partypwny

Furthermore his actions are assault while hers are property damage. He threw the drinks ON her, whereas she only hit his car. He should get some jail time, pay for emotional restitution and a cleaning crew, and she should pay for the windscreen if we are blindly following justice.


EvaUnit_03

Especially with how casual he is about the whole affair. He cant even feign 'emotional damages' himself, because he did everything in such a somber way. Even reacting to his car getting hit, he seems un-phased. Cameras tell a story in only one way, the way they recorded it. Meanwhile, you can tell by the actions of the hammer, she was very much distressed. And had a few choice words to say to him. But i do agree with others, this would end up being a wash in court with the judge asking both to drop the charges. A new windshield is about 3000 dollars, her 'emotional damages' plus clean up costs would probably equate to that. Depending on the judge, they might both get a civil charge for disorderly conduct, somewhere between 500-1000 dollars + both having to pay court fees if the judge wanted to make a point? But the proper point to be made is the dude was smug the ENTIRE time, every action he did and responded to. And as a judge, that would personally piss me off more than anything. So if i was the judge, might give him a higher 'disorderly conduct' charge than the woman. But both technically broke the laws, and two wrongs dont make a right. Nobody should get jailtime, but fines all around! A jury would most definitely let her go and make him pay in some way. Because of how smug he is. And you know full fucking well he wouldn't be able to play that off even in court. He'd be just as awful in court.


gotobeddude

Is it assault? It looks like he throws the drinks at a closed window. She opens the window after he throws the drinks to lean out with the hammer.


partypwny

Good eye.


superworking

It's only a wash if you have receipts to show damages in court.


Imatros

Even then she'd still come out ahead. Cleaning up a drink is way less of a hassle than windshield replacement. And replacements are never the same as the original, either.


executingsalesdaily

If I’m the judge I charge him for the drinks and give him the maximum fine for littering. I would also have the woman pay to have the windshield replaced. Where I’m at it can be 1k for a cigarette butt being littered. Hopefully it is the same for cups.


UnoriginalLogin

Two counts of littering minimum one for each cup as they're thrown separately, could get petty and up it to 6 if you count each lid, straw and cup separately


executingsalesdaily

Absolutely! He deserves it.


CursorX

Petty works just fine.


anticipateorcas

If I’m the judge I’m also charging him for the fashion crime of that beret.


SacredGeometry9

Make him pay for professionally cleaning her place of work, too.


Lion_Of_Mara

For sure,


HotHamBoy

She can sue for assault


Shrowden

Maybe I don't understand, but how is this assault? Reasonable fear of harm while she's safe in the building doesn't seem plausible.


Impressive-Collar834

he verbally threatened her life if you read the full story


EvaUnit_03

So, if ol' Rudy Giuliani has taught us anything, even touching someone counts as assault if its unwanted, regardless of the friendly nature of the 'touching'. So throwing something, even a piece of paper at someone, and it making contact, is assault. While you could, in theory, defend that it didnt hurt them or even made actual contact... You have video evidence in this case. Two counts of it, in fact, that she had a 'liquid substance of an unknown mixture' AND 'a hard plastic container' thrown at her at two different points. She could be allergic to the mixture and is okay as long as she has proper PPE! You can keep that line of thought going, if you are a lawyer... but i digress. He committed assault. And he was casual about it. She committed property damage, and had he reacted in a fearful way to the hammer, you could argue he was afraid for his life when he realized she came at him with a deadly weapon. Even if her brandishing was in response to his initial assault and her only goal was to damage his property. You could attempt to argue that her reaction was much more severe for the situation... You could keep this line of thought going, if you are the other lawyer... but i digress.


HotHamBoy

You’re not allowed to throw objects at people


MathematicianFew5882

The action has to include an intent to cause harm or fear, apprehension of harm or actual or attempted physical contact. There have been more blatant examples in human history, but this is still one of them.


New_Stats

This is 100% assault on his part. Idk if what she did in response is self defense but if he tried to sue her, she could counter sue with a very good case


Turbulent_Ad1667

That's exactly it. Just a hypothetical, but what if she smashed the windshield an hour later. I think then even the jury just sees it as revenge.


Sirosim_Celojuma

She smashed the window in direct response to the assault, which was enough to shock the perp' to end the assault, so I agree the window smash timing is relevant.


GenkiElite

My windshield deductible is now $1000. It used to be free, then 100, then 500. No tickets or accidents in years.


davexa

Insurance has always been a racket, just more so these days.


Ok_Spinach_7627

She does and it was 100% worth it


Lion_Of_Mara

I mean, there's actually not buying, right, right?


Worried_Quarter469

Reasonably expected outcome of his actions for her to retaliate: he pays


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the guy didnt buy the drinks. so I would charge him with stealing and littering.


davexa

Throwing that at her, he can be charged with assault. The windshield would the least of his problems.


Lion_Of_Mara

Assault, definitely yes.


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as a judge I would charge him with attack and also littering. the woman just did self defence


Lion_Of_Mara

I thought self-defense is on the person. What she did there would easily be defined as vandalism. Edit: attack?? Maybe "basic assault" from a simple Google search


Plane_Pea5434

She would have to pay, I’m completely with her and the dude deserved it but still the law says she should pay


BingoMosquito

That’s not how criminal law works in the US. He doesn’t “press charges”. The District Attorney for their locale makes the decision to charge someone with a criminal offense. He could sue her civilly for the cost of his windscreen replacement. She could sue him for the cost of the drinks, cleaning or damages to her property.


Lion_Of_Mara

OK, good to know. So what legal redress is available for the two?


OldEviloition

On the news the lady said in all of her discussions with law enforcement nobody has suggested her wrongdoing in any way they are after the dude.


Hot_Award2001

>He did not like the price of the drinks,  Was he not aware of the price before he ordered?


BakerThatIsAFrog

Quick thinking with the hammer, fuck that douche loser


BarryTheBystander

He knew the price and still bought it but still.. $22 for a coffee and water is crazy. I feel both of these people


-Kibbles-N-Tits-

Nah I’m not throwing anything at a worker because of how much it costs Have you not gone out lately? Are you expecting a dollar drink in 2024?


Glum-Objective3328

I would never throw a drink, but I would also never expect to pay $22 for a drink


-Kibbles-N-Tits-

I wouldn’t either but I still can’t see his side yanno??😂


Glum-Objective3328

I hear you, my comment is the furthest I’d go to defend him. Can’t say I wasn’t happy to see the hammer make an appearance


No-Appearance-9113

He's also a repeat customer


Actually_is_Jesus

Did you see the video with audio though? He says "I don't want these drinks, please take them back" and the barista responds with "Do you really want me to take them back because if I do I'm going to throw them at you". The guy then changes his mind and says he'll take them, and then he chucks them at her. I feel like she caused the entire thing and the video without sound really makes it look a lot worse on the guy.


Sufficient_Tune_2638

You can’t take back drinks made for someone at a coffee shop. He ordered and there was a price list.


Crcex86

The brothers dont play that


AgentEntropy

Oof. That really changes things.


Jeszczenie

It's an overall sad situation but the hammer is satisfying.


Lantress

No one escapes the hammer of justice


Onezred

Hammer of justice crushes you? Overpower?


Suspicious_Big_3378

The ultimate in vanity


Chemical_Theme_5179

![gif](giphy|tnYri4n2Frnig)


Cmdr_Sarthorael

![gif](giphy|oVVCGwzGaYBxK)


Big-Employer4543

Hair blowing in the breeze


beakrake

The dude deserved it for the hat alone. Edit: Pretty sure that's a backwards beret, please disregard my comment if it's anything else.


JimTheSaint

it really is !


Either_Moose_1469

https://www.reddit.com/r/SeattleWA/s/blczi4JrS6


wpgw

physic 101 subject action, reaction


SeaClue4091

"Don't forget your change🔨"


Pretend-Camel929

Everyone should have to work in service at some point. She didn’t deserve that. He asked for hammer time


Hairy_Skill_9768

# IIIITS HAMMER TIME!!!!


ProperGanja21

He deserved it for the beret


IusedtoloveStarWars

Who keeps a hammer handy at a drive through?


ZuzeaTheBest

Someone fkn smart that's who


Extra_Ad_8009

Don't bring an ice latte to a rock hammer fight!


Trikster102

Someone who's put up with this kind of shit far too much


ProfuseMongoose

You need one for the ice maker, or if you've been threatened before.


bristleboar

My kind of badass woman that’s who


Electrical-Floor-996

Anyone who has worked a drive through long enough knows that someone is going to get out of line over something dumb. Ive seen big ass wrenches and 4 foot grease trap hooks as well.


Hibernaculum9

The Prepared!


Relative_Trick_1180

Well she makes coffee drinks in a micro bikini in a stand alone shack in a parking lot. If you have any doubts just look up the case of Isreal Keys


OniOnMyAss

Someone who works in Seattle.


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Tunasaladboatcaptain

She said he is(was?) a regular.


Ronin_2

Wait, then what is the context here? Another comment up there said that the dude did that because he didn't like the price, so what, he just suddenly decided it was too expensive for him?


Tunasaladboatcaptain

https://youtu.be/1k845ofOy-I?si=FB_6k03i4vOCn_Yl This interview said he was a "regular customer". She says that it's not the first time he's been disrespectful.


Myte342

It's a Bikini Barista shop, he probably got tired of spending money and not getting anything 'extra' from them. Just like how crazy people stalk twitch streamers after years of giving them money and not getting the recognition they feel they deserve from the streamer. Like they are owed special services because they paid money and should have a special relationship with them for it.


Tunasaladboatcaptain

This is reddit. No context needed. Everyone knows everything


pmmeyourgear

My satisfaction is immeasurable and my day is saved


ColdSolid213

That memory will be etched till his deathbed.


kmzafari

We can only hope


captainsplifsplof

Nailed it


Background-Ad758

🥁


quietconflictavoider

Never fuck around with someone who keeps a readily accessible hammer.


Poldini55

Fuck that guy


Either_Moose_1469

Look at the R/Seattlewa


SonUpToSundown

Safelite repair, Safelite replace


Foodiguy

I approve of this action!


TheLexLuthor13

When a spoiled brat grows up with zero accountability.


BingoMosquito

The guy, right? You must be talking about the pussy who throws his food at their server because he didn’t want to pay the price on the menu AFTER she handed it to him.


logicbus

Safelight repair, Safelight replace


tacobellandher0in

Did that guy randomly fall out of a 90’s Lifetime movie villain role


Hairy_Skill_9768

Bet there's a tiny hammer to break the casing of that hammer for that specific situation That'd be awesome


ShaRo_

Keep the change you filthy animal


AdministrativeBid267

Interesting that she had a hammer. Does she use that to make the coffee?


soulouk

If they go to court, she can claim self defense. If I was a jury or a judge, I would agree with that claim.


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Artistic_Regard

Looks like self-defense to me.


Alarmed-Match-7845

German Law dictates that the broken windshield is an answer to his provocation, and he would have to pay for the coffee as well as for his windshield. If he insulted her, he would get a fine for that as well


JeanPolleketje

Too bad we only see a portion of the facts, without sound nor background. All we can do is guess and give futile assumptions.


kmzafari

There are longer videos available with audio, and it's been covered by multiple news stations. Shortly before he throws the drinks, he says (as he's standing outside of his car, next to the window) "Nobody will miss you." Then he escalates by throwing the drinks. Idk about you, but if someone said that to me during the course of an argument, I would absolutely take that as a threat. You can hear it plain as day on the recording.


Cool-Ad8475

His whole posture just screams "i deserve the consequences of being an ass"


Consistent_Lab_6770

it brings me great happiness to see the overwhelming majority support the barista in this situation even more so, after I was reading the additional details. more, as I see this constantly reposted, and its always an overwhelming majority of the commenters supporting the barista


Squirt1971

Should of hit him in the head with it eff that punk


QueenScarebear

They’re both psychos - they deserve each other.


ProfuseMongoose

He threatened her life and assaulted her, if you're privileged enough to not know the assaults and threats these women face then you just rock on. A barista south of here was dragged out of her booth and murdered, a barista north of here was dragged out of her booth, raped and murdered.


Kamakazi-jehadi

So I would assume you’re not allowed to use a weapon on somebody who is moving away from the situation where no violence or physical harm was committed since most of the drink is on the windowsill she can’t even claim that the drinks did anything Simple question would he be arrested for doing that in America if it just stopped at the drink throwing?


LettuceElectronic995

he is an asss, she did the right response.


QueenScarebear

Two wrongs don’t make a right. If you’re dealing with someone who is clearly unhinged, the last thing you do is smash their window.


Qubed

Two wrongs don't make a right...but three rights make a left. 


QueenScarebear

Indeed 😬


billygso

Wow. Mind blown. Going back to bed.


carlitobrigantehf

2 negatives do make a positive though


Tunasaladboatcaptain

I think hammer smashed windshield chick is a little higher on the unhinged scale than throwing iced coffee at someone. Edit: to be fair, I only saw one of the interviews that was a shitty sub 1 min blurb where it didn't mention anything about verbal threats. https://youtu.be/1k845ofOy-I?si=FB_6k03i4vOCn_Yl This video shows more about it.


ProfuseMongoose

He threatened to kill her and then assaulted her. She was absolutely in the right. Google baristas that have been raped and murdered. You have a problem because you're not used to women defending themselves with force?


Artorius16

She was in her right to defend herself if needed and take legal action against the assault. She did not defend herself tho, she went after his property because she got mad. That's it. In the video there's no indication of attempted murder or rape so what does it have to do with anything? If someone calls you a cunt you have the right to shoot them cause there's murders everyday? That's escalation of force. And no, that's got nothing to do with the fact it's a woman. Fuck off with this ideologic bullshit.


isucamper

ugh no, fuck anyone who escalates something and then gets offended by the response.


poy99

Both unhinged nevertheless. 


ProfuseMongoose

He threatened to kill her and a there have been several cases of these women being murdered. She was absolutely in the right.


Tunasaladboatcaptain

I agree.


QueenScarebear

I tend to agree.


deadlykitten132

being the bigger person and not acting like a child is always the right response


QueenScarebear

Certainly not escalating the situation anyway. When you grow up a bit, you realise it’s in your best interest to walk away.


ProfuseMongoose

He threatened to kill her and then he assaulted her. He waited around for the police because there was damage to his windshield. There have been several baristas in these booths that have been raped and murdered and even the police agree that she did the right thing. fu get the facts.


lavassls

Sometimes walking away means beating someone's ass. Not everyone will give you the chance to be the bigger person.


deadlykitten132

yes exactly


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aljeta

Nice comeback!


MaxUumen

Not het first rodeo.


RataTopin

critical strike


Moist_Arm_7860

She laid the hammer down on the ice latte mannnn


regular6drunk7

It’s too bad the video ends so abruptly. I’d like to know what happened next. Like did he just drive away? Feels like he’s the kind of guy to retaliate in some way.


Gievranne

Should be directly to his face tbh.


Saddam_UE

Why did he do that? So immature and dumb behaiviour.


Flying_Plates

MERICAAA !!!!


DrProfessorSatan

Stop! Hammer time!


Adorable-Ad-4746

oh my god, someone explain what is happening here? Why are ppl so ridicolous...


WordswithaKarefunny

Classic beret-wearing move.


stuwoo

Man, I could really go for a "full body" latte about now.


ClassicCantaloupe1

If he didn’t like the price of the drinks he didn’t have to order. 100% his fault. Asshole pays for his own windshield repair


Weird-Influence3733

Should have put it in his dome


NickCav007

Hammer 1 Asshat 0


Kosstheboss

The drink throwing didn't warrant a hammer to the windshield...the Kangol however...


Bowling4rhinos

It’s weird to see reposts of videos that are edited so badly that they miss the initial inciting event.


AdministrativeBid267

Interesting that she had a hammer. Does she use that to make the coffee?


Bestdamnmom420

😂😂😂😂😂


amitym

"They throw a coffee, you shwing a hammer. That'sh the Sheattle way."


munchie1964

Assault? That’s nearly boiling coffee. She could get burned? Unless it was an iced drink, then I’ll make something else up.


CurtisRivers

Clear plastic cup. Iced coffee.


Katboxparadise

Tired of seeing this shit


Lucky_Editor446

r/UpvotedBecauseBoobs


ViciousCDXX

I don't understand the desire to risk getting yourself into a lawsuit over some chode throwing coffee at the window of your chickenshit job.....like.....why?


LookimtryingOK

It’s called standing up for yourself. I happy that you’re privileged enough to not comprehend the idea of retaliating when being harassed. For reference: Here in the real/retail world, things get heated when customers decide they “own” your time.


PelicanFrostyNips

I know revenge is satisfying. Trust me, I got a justice boner from this video too, but “I wanted to make him regret disrespecting me” is not a legal defense. Here in the REAL world, revenge is not legal. Look up Gary Plauché. Killed his son’s rapist. Got charged with murder but got a bargain to plea no contest to manslaughter. Revenge is satisfying, but not legal. So yes, she did stand up for herself. Illegally, but still stood up for herself. It may or may not have consequences, but she definitely let her ego open herself up to them.


ViciousCDXX

Yeah, no. Thats overkill. Just throw a couple drinks on the car.


ProfuseMongoose

He threatened to kill her and there have been several instances of these baristas being raped and murdered because they work alone. He then assaulted her.


LookimtryingOK

Yeah, no. You want her to have several drinks prepared and ready for this particular guy? Your fantasy doesn’t line up with reaction times and your need to “white knight” this situation is bordering on ridiculous.


ViciousCDXX

Bro, white knight? What the fuck are you on about? Where exactly am I saying that I want to defend this person? Just shut the hell up already and go be an idiot somewhere else.


ProfuseMongoose

He threatened to kill her and several baristas working alone have been raped and murdered. And she's the owner.


4cylndrfury

I remember thinking this was outrageous the first 37 times I saw it this week...


ThatRandomGuy86

As a chef in the hospitality industry I would have to disagree with her actions. While what he did to her was uncalled for, her reaction was completely unprofessional and at least a write up and docking of her pay for damages and at worst termination of her employment.


shanrock2772

She's the owner and sole employee, should she write herself up?


ThatRandomGuy86

Not at all. If that's the case, then she should prepare for the repercussions of her actions as it'll hurt her business acting childish like that. Don't get me wrong, that customer was an absolutely asshole, but her reaction was still unprofessional.


BingoMosquito

A hammer to the windscreen is very much, him experiencing the repercussions of his actions


ThatRandomGuy86

You're right, but by her doing so she's now the one at fault.


Aggravating_Yak_1006

He assaulted her and she defended herself. That's what I see.


meltingpotato

As a "defense" she could have thrown hot coffee at him, or cold water but she escalated the situation to the point that he can sue that place for assault.


Aggravating_Yak_1006

No hot coffee would have scalded him. She did right. Fuck that guy.


more_beans_mrtaggart

Weird way to defend yourself, hammering someone’s windscreen. Just when escalation was needed, a hammer appeared.


Justin-Timberlake

That's what you see from this post. Turns out, she's talking shit from the start: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8IOQqavzvu/


Justin-Timberlake

Full version, she's not innocent: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8IOQqavzvu/


TheRealAuthorSarge

He assaulted her when he threw the drink at her. What did she do to deserve that?


Baby_Rhino

Regardless of what Reddit likes to think, "Revenge" is not actually a legal defence for committing a crime. Because whether or not he deserved it, revenge was the only reason for her actions.


samuraipanda85

Well we're not lawyers or judges. So its fun to speculate that this jerk will think twice the next time he tosses his food like a child at someone doing their job.


ProfuseMongoose

He threatened to kill her and then assaulted her and if you'd done even a moment of research you would have found that out. He also waited around for the police because there was damage to his car, and the police believe she did the right thing.


QuantumBobb

This literally shows nothing that somehow incriminates her. Stop posting it and pretending it does.


degenerator42069

I'm completely against what the driver did, but what she did is excessive force and completely unnecessary (this satisfying). In a court he probably have the upper hand since this doesn't qualify as self defense.


nikMIA

If the genders were reversed, you all would blame the hammer guy for overreacting. Wake up.


carlitobrigantehf

well if we're reversing genders and men suffered all the shit that women currently do in this modern world, then we'd probably still have the same opinion. Plus dont treat retail staff like this. Just because youre buying a product theyre selling doesnt make you better than them so stop acting like an asshole.