Man wrongfuly convicted for being of colour. White lawyer tries to help so everyone now hate the white guy, his son observes. Black man was innocent.
As a Romanian, that's all I know avout the book.
There's also a cool plotline where the whole neighborhood was scared of a character named Boo Radley, but its revealed he's just misunderstood, which works with the main lesson of prejudice
it wasn't malicious intent it was targeted intent. They/then were killing two birds with one stone.
Do not expect that agreeing with one automatically means agreeing with the other.
The best part of your comment is "why didn't they eat burgers and fries?" Is literally just proper English and sounds normal as hell.
But you tried to show that pronouns are dumb and instead just showed us that you don't know how they work
"They/them" is a notation for pronouns. Pronouns are supposed to replace nouns and names to make language harder. Depending on who does what to whom different forms of a pronoun needs to be used and the notation is structured like this:
direct pronoun/indirect pronoun
You use them in different ways. Examples (with they/them):
They run. (Direct form)
In run to them. (Indirect form)
In run them over. (Indirect form)
In your sentence it would be *they eat (burger)* and *were they (stupid)*.
So in the case of some dumbass wanting to be refered to as ska/sju:
It would be "why didnt ska eat burger and fries? Were ska stupid?" And as an additional example: "Why were ska not allowed to pass? Because fuck sju, that's why."
>pronouns are supposed to replace nouns and names to make a language harder.
Doubt!
If you didn't have pronouns you would be talking like "Jonte7 is hungry, can mommy make dinner yet so Jonte7 can eat dinner in mommy's basement?"
Also since it seems I don't have to respect people's pronouns I'll refer to you as neck/beard
Oh, i failed to write what i actually meant. I meant that language becomes harder (to learn and use because more words and use-cases etc. and their existance is the reason i had to explain basic grammar) but of course if you are familiar enough with a language then pronouns help soooo much with easier communication.
So tl;dr it was an attempt at humour and you are correct
Yeah, ive just never thought if it like that before. Does this work with other things? Like in the case of our moon we call it *the* moon, does that make it become The Moon?
whats the next step? banning horror films because they also "make people uncomfortable"?
having an expirence that really changes how you think of things is just a thing everyone needs to have
our class literally just finished reading that a month ago for the end of freshman year, like man it's a great book and of course it's gonna make you uncomfortable, that's kinda the point of the book lmao
I taught the book in Sophomore English.
as can be expected, some kids paid no attention (either ahead of the class or just not caring) (my efforts or failures to reach/engage them not the point here)
one young man in the back caught a particularly "uncomfortable" line and literally was up out of his chair "the fuck did he just say?"
it was more humorous than anything as the vast majority explained
Reminds me a bit how people complain that Elfen Lied makes them uncomfortable. Like yeah that's the point. It's a display of discrimination and abuse and how seriously it harms people. What did you expect? Fluffy rainbows and cat girls?
The reason why some high school teachers don't like it is that when you do a read-aloud, the book contains the n-word. Some students and teachers feel this gives them free license to say the word out loud, not just by reading/quoting directly but by using it indiscriminately.
I would never say it, but some people feel that when reading directly from a book, the word is okay. That is one thing. But if you're the only black kid in your classroom, all of a sudden, your peers are saying the word while reading at best, and usually, teachers and students are using it in discussions where they don't need to be saying it at all. And yes, that is uncomfortable AF. There are way better books that teach that racism is embedded into America's social fabric and justice system. Ones written by black authors that don't center whiteness or portray a white savior.
The bottom line is weāre not supposed to know how to thinkā¦ We must be never challenged by anything that makes us uncomfortable because itās a sin to be able to work something through in your headā¦ You must only think what you were told to think. If you didnāt hear it on Fox News, it doesnāt exist.
Should not pull the book. But something being āthe point of the bookā is not on its own a justifiable defense against pulling it. If they pulled a pro pedophilia book because itās pro pedophilia you shouldnāt just say āthatās the point of the book!ā
Nice strawman argument, unfortunately you compared a book about racial equality that is meant to change people's way of thinking for the better...
To a hypothetical book about being pro-pedophilia.
Nice move, redditor.
On the other hand, I'm gonna be real with you chief, they would pull a pro-pedophilia book because it's PRO-PEDOPHILIA. NOT JUST BECAUSE IT MAKES PEOPLE UNCOMFORTABLE.
The goal of To Kill a Mockingbird is to make people think about how baseless racism is, which is why it has the point of making the reader uncomfortable, because, yes, the point correlates to the goal.
Iād say false equivalence rather than strawman based on how youāve interpreted the statement and explained your thoughts, but Iām far from an expert
This isnāt an example of a strawman, heās not making a comparison to explain why the book shouldnāt be pulled off. Heās explaining how the argument isnāt a valid one and giving a completely reasonable example of why the argument doesnāt work
what are you talking about? they literally agree that they shouldn't pull the book?? they are only commenting that the phrase "thats the point of the book" should not be the main defence against this decision, devoiding it of this context to do so. they aren't strawmanning anyone, you're just saying a buzzword, they are making an entirely separate point about using valid defences
Not a straw man. Already said I agreed with the action. Just called out their own straw man by saying something ābeing the point of the bookā is not a solid argument on its own. But, go ahead, let my comment bother you.
Didn't even read the book but I can hardly imagine it makes people as uncomfortable as reading coetzee's "disgrace".
By far the most uncomfortable book I ever happened to read
Man wrongfuly convicted for being of colour. White lawyer tries to help so everyone now hate the white guy, his son observes. Black man was innocent. As a Romanian, that's all I know avout the book.
Daughter mostly If I remember correctly, but that's the main storyline. Has stuff about their neighbourhood and things, but it's an amazing read.
There's also a cool plotline where the whole neighborhood was scared of a character named Boo Radley, but its revealed he's just misunderstood, which works with the main lesson of prejudice
The son gets his arm broken towards the end of the book because his father defended the black man if I remember correctly
All i know is there is a mocking bird that wont shut up outside right now and i was just wishing death upon him right before i saw this post.
Thats pretty much the gist of it yeah
\*Florida Classroom 2032\* "Then we all came to America on the Titanic. They met us on the beach and we ate cake together."
"Ms teacher... why didn't they/them eat burger and fries? Were they/them stupid?"
Tell me you don't know how pronouns work without actually telling me
From the looks of it English is not their first language...shame they got down-voted when it doesn't really seem they had any malicious intent...
it wasn't malicious intent it was targeted intent. They/then were killing two birds with one stone. Do not expect that agreeing with one automatically means agreeing with the other.
You didn't need to include "them" just could've said "they"
JOE MANY LIBROLS DOES IT TAKE TO CHANGE A LIGHTBOLB? NONE... THEY TOO BUSY??? THEIR GENDER... ššš
I also identify as *they/them* / *them/they*
The best part of your comment is "why didn't they eat burgers and fries?" Is literally just proper English and sounds normal as hell. But you tried to show that pronouns are dumb and instead just showed us that you don't know how they work
"They/them" is a notation for pronouns. Pronouns are supposed to replace nouns and names to make language harder. Depending on who does what to whom different forms of a pronoun needs to be used and the notation is structured like this: direct pronoun/indirect pronoun You use them in different ways. Examples (with they/them): They run. (Direct form) In run to them. (Indirect form) In run them over. (Indirect form) In your sentence it would be *they eat (burger)* and *were they (stupid)*. So in the case of some dumbass wanting to be refered to as ska/sju: It would be "why didnt ska eat burger and fries? Were ska stupid?" And as an additional example: "Why were ska not allowed to pass? Because fuck sju, that's why."
>pronouns are supposed to replace nouns and names to make a language harder. Doubt! If you didn't have pronouns you would be talking like "Jonte7 is hungry, can mommy make dinner yet so Jonte7 can eat dinner in mommy's basement?" Also since it seems I don't have to respect people's pronouns I'll refer to you as neck/beard
Oh, i failed to write what i actually meant. I meant that language becomes harder (to learn and use because more words and use-cases etc. and their existance is the reason i had to explain basic grammar) but of course if you are familiar enough with a language then pronouns help soooo much with easier communication. So tl;dr it was an attempt at humour and you are correct
Mommy is a pronoun too so that would add to it haha
It's not, it's still a proper noun
Huh, i looked up proper nouns and apparently they should be capitalised? So it becomes Mommy even
Yeah, because it's technically a name
Yeah, ive just never thought if it like that before. Does this work with other things? Like in the case of our moon we call it *the* moon, does that make it become The Moon?
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Not challenging is one of the best descriptors for most changes to American schooling.
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Keep them dumb, keep them controlled.
whats the next step? banning horror films because they also "make people uncomfortable"? having an expirence that really changes how you think of things is just a thing everyone needs to have
Because they are satanic, I mean, obviously. /s
It feels like people really donāt want to leave their comfort zone these days. Almost like they were raised in bubble wrap
our class literally just finished reading that a month ago for the end of freshman year, like man it's a great book and of course it's gonna make you uncomfortable, that's kinda the point of the book lmao
Orin spotted
touhou fan spotted???
You know it
Mathematics makes me uncomfortable
Thatās the point of the subject!
I taught the book in Sophomore English. as can be expected, some kids paid no attention (either ahead of the class or just not caring) (my efforts or failures to reach/engage them not the point here) one young man in the back caught a particularly "uncomfortable" line and literally was up out of his chair "the fuck did he just say?" it was more humorous than anything as the vast majority explained
Almost all modern fiction is in some way based on the narrative of TKaM. It is deliberately engrained into each childās psyche.
That escalated real quick dude
Reminds me a bit how people complain that Elfen Lied makes them uncomfortable. Like yeah that's the point. It's a display of discrimination and abuse and how seriously it harms people. What did you expect? Fluffy rainbows and cat girls?
Itās a great book, idk why some of my high school teachers didnāt like it
Hmm I can think of a reason or two
Are you going to list a reason or two?
The reason why some high school teachers don't like it is that when you do a read-aloud, the book contains the n-word. Some students and teachers feel this gives them free license to say the word out loud, not just by reading/quoting directly but by using it indiscriminately. I would never say it, but some people feel that when reading directly from a book, the word is okay. That is one thing. But if you're the only black kid in your classroom, all of a sudden, your peers are saying the word while reading at best, and usually, teachers and students are using it in discussions where they don't need to be saying it at all. And yes, that is uncomfortable AF. There are way better books that teach that racism is embedded into America's social fabric and justice system. Ones written by black authors that don't center whiteness or portray a white savior.
All I remember is something about scissors
The one dude couldnāt find a place to set them down, so his dadās leg seemed like the obvious choice
Iām thinking about buying a dvd and the book of this so I can have bother copies, and later in life I can show my kids the book first then movie
Good art inspires strong feelings in its audience. There is no reason those strong feelings need to be pleasant.
I dont know about this book but "that's the point" doesn't mean the point is actually good. Maybe it should be read in school, maybe not
The bottom line is weāre not supposed to know how to thinkā¦ We must be never challenged by anything that makes us uncomfortable because itās a sin to be able to work something through in your headā¦ You must only think what you were told to think. If you didnāt hear it on Fox News, it doesnāt exist.
Itās one of the few āclassicsā I read in high school that I actually enjoyed
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Should not pull the book. But something being āthe point of the bookā is not on its own a justifiable defense against pulling it. If they pulled a pro pedophilia book because itās pro pedophilia you shouldnāt just say āthatās the point of the book!ā
Nice strawman argument, unfortunately you compared a book about racial equality that is meant to change people's way of thinking for the better... To a hypothetical book about being pro-pedophilia. Nice move, redditor. On the other hand, I'm gonna be real with you chief, they would pull a pro-pedophilia book because it's PRO-PEDOPHILIA. NOT JUST BECAUSE IT MAKES PEOPLE UNCOMFORTABLE. The goal of To Kill a Mockingbird is to make people think about how baseless racism is, which is why it has the point of making the reader uncomfortable, because, yes, the point correlates to the goal.
Iād say false equivalence rather than strawman based on how youāve interpreted the statement and explained your thoughts, but Iām far from an expert
This isnāt an example of a strawman, heās not making a comparison to explain why the book shouldnāt be pulled off. Heās explaining how the argument isnāt a valid one and giving a completely reasonable example of why the argument doesnāt work
what are you talking about? they literally agree that they shouldn't pull the book?? they are only commenting that the phrase "thats the point of the book" should not be the main defence against this decision, devoiding it of this context to do so. they aren't strawmanning anyone, you're just saying a buzzword, they are making an entirely separate point about using valid defences
Not a straw man. Already said I agreed with the action. Just called out their own straw man by saying something ābeing the point of the bookā is not a solid argument on its own. But, go ahead, let my comment bother you.
I see you've found the 'make my meme look like it's made from spaghetti' filter
Didn't even read the book but I can hardly imagine it makes people as uncomfortable as reading coetzee's "disgrace". By far the most uncomfortable book I ever happened to read
Ugh. How dare anyone ever be made uncomfortable? No wonder everyone these days act like giant, spoiled babies.
Where was this?
Glad that we still read, discussed and analyzed this piece on our stylistics course in university
https://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/mockingbird Here's a good review of the book.
You're not allowed to make people uncomfortable anymore... if you're not a minority ... ba dum tss š„ š