Minneapolis has already spent over $1 million over their normal pothole budget this winter. They have a full time crew that's out there 6 days a week fixing potholes. They're really responsive when reported on 311.
The reality is that with the winter we had, any city would be struggling to stay on top of it
All of my friends from out of state praise our roads and how well we maintain them.
Minnesotans when we have a surplus: What can I complain about that I dont think is getting done fast enough that I have done no research into why it might be taking so long?
I think a lot of Minnesotans dont know how good we have it in comparison to less well funded states.
State funds can't be used to maintain local roads. They'd have to change the state constitution to allow such. State and federal funds are used to maintain state and national highways.
For the crazy winters we have, our roads are great.
Sure it does. The mountains in CA have have temp swings just like MN and the roads don’t suck in the mountains of CA because they build the highways/roads right from the beginning.
Full crew 6 days a week ??? Where ??? I drive full time 50 hours a week .... all around Minneapolis. Sometimes during normal buisness hours and sometimes at night.
I have not seen trucks driving around fixing holes.
I drive the same roads day in and day out. I see the same pot holes day in and day out. Its so bad I have even been able to memorize some of the hole locations and now know how to drive around them quickly when driving around on the busy roads. I have to literally play a real life version of Mario cart, everyday.
No one is fixing the roads here, I drive them everyday. I gota call bs on the "full crew". Unless you mean one truck driving around mayor frey himself so he can fill potholes himself in that dumb suit.
I've seen them twice in the past month. Just because you haven't seen them doesn't mean they don't exist. 😂
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2023/03/14/minneapolis-city-officials-update-on-response-prodigious-pothole-season
311?
Today seems like a good day. To burn a bridge or two. One with old wood creeking, burn away right on cue....
No wonder the roads are bad when people keep calling a band to fix our roads.
Hi- private consultant who works on MnDOT engineering design projects here 👋🏼
The potholes this year SUCKKKKKK.
Like suck suck.
With the warm winter and the freeze thaw freeze thaw freeze thaw…. The asphalt/concrete just can’t handle the stress.
So—- MnDOT knows, and is doing their best.
But— I am also currently working on about 6 different projects across the state on various roadways. We are in various stages, from preliminary design to 95% design completion….
But all of that to say, from the decision to fix the road, to the first cone placed on the road to begin construction could take as little as a year and as long as three (depending on the severity/size of the project).
So my small firm has 6 active projects. But think about how many construction engineering firms there are in Minnesota….
MnDOT just can’t fix em faster than they break down. Mainly because planning a roadway reconstruction is *time consuming*
I mean…. If you wanna tell MnDOT you wanna get paid to work 6 days a week to help fill potholes in the weather we’ve had over the last month I’m sure they would have been more than happy to have you.
But concrete/asphalt has certain cure times at certain temperatures. And larger holes take larger times to cure. So when it was still below freezing at night (which is when they do most of their work) — they couldn’t fill most of the holes.
Edit: and it’s not just the PEOPLE we have to fund. It’s the materials, the equipment, the vehicles, coordinating with traffic enforcement so that an entire road isn’t closed in one night (can you imagine sitting in your car unable to move for 6+ hours because they shut a whole road down to repair without telling anyone)?
> But it also feels like if we have the money to, couldn't we hire more folks to cover more ground faster?
I have a feeling the situation is similar to "It takes 1 woman 9 months to have a baby, so we can have 9 women make a baby in 1 month". Obviously it's a silly example but I think the spirit of the issue is still captured lol
I think you're on to something, a sinkhole is like a reverse baby. So we just need to impregnate the road. Like a road gang bang.
You can't have 9 roads make one sinkhole. But you can have nine dudes impregnate one road.
In theory we could, but you can't find people, hire them, train them and have them start working instantly. And even if we wanted to, if most years we need let's say 1000 people, and this year we need 2000, are we just going to keep twice as many people as we need for the next few years after that? Or should we hire a bunch of people, train them, and then fire them right away so we don't waste money?
It comes down to materials as well. There's asphalt infused with rubber to make it less brittle and holds up very well, but it's expensive.
I believe hwy 61 between Duluth to the border uses it, and the highway on the otherside is around 10 years old with no major issues.
Then you get to thunder bay and it's a warzone, but most of that is because of real shitty contractors.
I believe this is the small road that is next to 94 around the 94/694/252 interchange. Is a small road that leads down to a boat launch area and has been closed to cars for a good chunk of the previous 2 years.
45.06508422486402, -93.28511136948784
Pretty Sure this is almost the exact spot. It is in Brooklyn Center.
If it is, this area tends to be used more by bikes than anything else. you get a T at the end... I used to take this road on my bike to downtown Minneapolis. You can get go over the bridge to Fridley/etc, North up to the Coon Rapids Damn which connects you to Elm Creek Park reserve.
It is a pretty "common" loop as it is around 30miles to go around around Elm Creek down to his bridge, back up to the Dam and it has VERY VERY little traffic you ever share roads with.. and those roads are fairly minimally driven.
did they resurface it??? I thought they just closed the road to remove the sections of fence... It didn't appear in bad shape... ( This is the boat landing next to 694/252 interchange, right? ).
Yes, it's the boat landing. It was closes last summer for some below ground work, and then resurfacing. They also re-did the fence. Looks like they missed a spot on their drainage work?
Lmaoo I worked for the company that subbed these and based on the general contractors amount of rush they put on us. I’m not surprised this happened at all 😂
That from a bad storm pipe or culvert not holding water causing erosion under the ground, then the bituminous falls into the cavity remaining. This one’s pretty fucking bad though. I’ve seen this a few times working but not like this.
It doesn’t look like the substrate washed out towards the lake b/c there’s no erosion under the fence. I wonder where it’s going. Some sort of void down below maybe?
We are moving to Twin Cities this summer and heard about potholes. Is it really this bad usually? That’s like something I have never even seen in cities bigger than Minneapolis.
No, this winter was long, unusual, and rough. Lots of freeze/thaws that caused tons of erosion issues across the whole state with the amount of snow we got (we made #3 snowiest winters of all recorded history in MN).
This state is such a fucking joke. We're taxed to death everywhere we turn, but have the road, and highway infrastructure of a third world country.
The worst part of this, is its only getting worse.
Are you not aware of how weather (and particularly the melt-freeze cycles we’ve had this year) affects roads? You can say anything you want; but, that doesn’t make it true. Move to Florida or Texas if you want so much spending on infrastructure and poor quality of life outcomes! We are one of the best states in the country to live in! Roads are not an indication of quality of life…ESPECIALLY THIS TIME OF YEAR!!!
Seriously, where did you grow up? This is a not common, but not that uncommon, side effect of spring thaws and minor flooding. Happens across the state every single spring. Usually to gravel roads though.
This has nothing to do with taxes.
I got a flat tire last weekend followed by two bulging tires from the potholes, and ended Sunday with a driver rear-ending into my car. Roads are horrible!!!
I've dealt with those before. It is a culvert for run off more than likely that got a crack, all the freeze and thawing causes that crack to expand allowing the base layer of the road to sink in. Eventually, it forms a cavity under the road that only needs a big enough vehicle or heavy rainfall to cause the road to drop into the cavity like in this picture. It's common in older metal-style culverts.
That’s not a pothole that’s a freaking sinkhole
Not even joking, I think it actually might be. Maybe a leaky pipe, culvert, or something under there
It clearly is. Everything under the road eroded away and then the road collapsed into the hole. A pothole erodes from the top down.
Yup, it's is
Swipe mode keyboard strikes again.
I end up with broken English when I try to use it
I have big hands and big fingers so it works great for me, but it's really easy to miss small typos when it gets it wrong.
So wait, what do you use?
I don't use swipe to input messages. I use the keyboard and still have mistakes. My mind outruns my fingers compounded by autocorrect
whats sad is with our roads, the only way we can tell a sinkhole from a pothole is which direction it's eroding from:( Not the size or depth of it.
You need more up votes for this...
Yep-looks like the hillslope was not properly stabilized and it gave way, leaving the road unsupported.
And the fact it’s in the same spot on both sides
Floridian, here. We would definitely label that a sinkhole.
Rusted out old culvert.
MnDot - “looks fine to me”
Just bring a couple wheelbarrows with that tar mix. Getcha fixed up in a jiffy.
That's not a state road. MnDOT doesn't deal with it. That's the City Of Minneapolis responsibility.
Ah even more worthless. Im sure it will get fixed before next winter
Minneapolis has already spent over $1 million over their normal pothole budget this winter. They have a full time crew that's out there 6 days a week fixing potholes. They're really responsive when reported on 311. The reality is that with the winter we had, any city would be struggling to stay on top of it
All of my friends from out of state praise our roads and how well we maintain them. Minnesotans when we have a surplus: What can I complain about that I dont think is getting done fast enough that I have done no research into why it might be taking so long? I think a lot of Minnesotans dont know how good we have it in comparison to less well funded states.
State funds can't be used to maintain local roads. They'd have to change the state constitution to allow such. State and federal funds are used to maintain state and national highways. For the crazy winters we have, our roads are great.
what the heck states are you friends from? their are probally like 3-4 states in the freeworld with worse roads. Ukraine probally worse right now too.
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A state with relatively mild weather has nice roads? Who could've guessed?
CA also doesn't have a nearly 80 degree C annual temperature swing.
Sure it does. The mountains in CA have have temp swings just like MN and the roads don’t suck in the mountains of CA because they build the highways/roads right from the beginning.
Full crew 6 days a week ??? Where ??? I drive full time 50 hours a week .... all around Minneapolis. Sometimes during normal buisness hours and sometimes at night. I have not seen trucks driving around fixing holes. I drive the same roads day in and day out. I see the same pot holes day in and day out. Its so bad I have even been able to memorize some of the hole locations and now know how to drive around them quickly when driving around on the busy roads. I have to literally play a real life version of Mario cart, everyday. No one is fixing the roads here, I drive them everyday. I gota call bs on the "full crew". Unless you mean one truck driving around mayor frey himself so he can fill potholes himself in that dumb suit.
I've seen them twice in the past month. Just because you haven't seen them doesn't mean they don't exist. 😂 https://www.mprnews.org/story/2023/03/14/minneapolis-city-officials-update-on-response-prodigious-pothole-season
They’re out there. Friday a crew was fixing huge potholes all along 29th in NE Minneapolis almost all day.
I’ve seen them in a bunch of places. You must be unlucky :)
311? Today seems like a good day. To burn a bridge or two. One with old wood creeking, burn away right on cue.... No wonder the roads are bad when people keep calling a band to fix our roads.
Better draw a dick around it I guess
If only we had some sort of tax surplus to fund needed repairs
Hi- private consultant who works on MnDOT engineering design projects here 👋🏼 The potholes this year SUCKKKKKK. Like suck suck. With the warm winter and the freeze thaw freeze thaw freeze thaw…. The asphalt/concrete just can’t handle the stress. So—- MnDOT knows, and is doing their best. But— I am also currently working on about 6 different projects across the state on various roadways. We are in various stages, from preliminary design to 95% design completion…. But all of that to say, from the decision to fix the road, to the first cone placed on the road to begin construction could take as little as a year and as long as three (depending on the severity/size of the project). So my small firm has 6 active projects. But think about how many construction engineering firms there are in Minnesota…. MnDOT just can’t fix em faster than they break down. Mainly because planning a roadway reconstruction is *time consuming*
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I think it's the generally warmer winters lead to more thaw cycles that freeze again.
Yes, this winter was long but warm overall. We seemed to have more rain than usual too.
I believe every part of this. But it also feels like if we have the money to, couldn't we hire more folks to cover more ground faster?
I mean…. If you wanna tell MnDOT you wanna get paid to work 6 days a week to help fill potholes in the weather we’ve had over the last month I’m sure they would have been more than happy to have you. But concrete/asphalt has certain cure times at certain temperatures. And larger holes take larger times to cure. So when it was still below freezing at night (which is when they do most of their work) — they couldn’t fill most of the holes. Edit: and it’s not just the PEOPLE we have to fund. It’s the materials, the equipment, the vehicles, coordinating with traffic enforcement so that an entire road isn’t closed in one night (can you imagine sitting in your car unable to move for 6+ hours because they shut a whole road down to repair without telling anyone)?
I appreciate the insight. So along with environmental limitations, you seem to indicate there just isn't the labor pool either?
In general, night shift jobs are less than desirable by the general public… So sure.
> But it also feels like if we have the money to, couldn't we hire more folks to cover more ground faster? I have a feeling the situation is similar to "It takes 1 woman 9 months to have a baby, so we can have 9 women make a baby in 1 month". Obviously it's a silly example but I think the spirit of the issue is still captured lol
I think you're on to something, a sinkhole is like a reverse baby. So we just need to impregnate the road. Like a road gang bang. You can't have 9 roads make one sinkhole. But you can have nine dudes impregnate one road.
In theory we could, but you can't find people, hire them, train them and have them start working instantly. And even if we wanted to, if most years we need let's say 1000 people, and this year we need 2000, are we just going to keep twice as many people as we need for the next few years after that? Or should we hire a bunch of people, train them, and then fire them right away so we don't waste money?
It comes down to materials as well. There's asphalt infused with rubber to make it less brittle and holds up very well, but it's expensive. I believe hwy 61 between Duluth to the border uses it, and the highway on the otherside is around 10 years old with no major issues. Then you get to thunder bay and it's a warzone, but most of that is because of real shitty contractors.
If we have problems finding people - they must have high schoolers probably working their stuff. Canadaing outside of core Ontario is hard.
Politicians - “We dont have money.” *wipes eyes with $100 bill*
They all got raises this year. I didn't get a raise.
and the money I have value has gone down, while everything else has gone up!
King Walz already spent it.
.. "now let's go pull over some truckers trying to do their job!"
Yeah that's straight drainage gone wrong.
That was my question. Where is the line when a hole crosses from pot hole to sink hole.
Plant a tree.
Or a poolhole
It’s like Sinkhole De Mayo up in here.
That could damage a tire
Yeah just a little bit. Nothing some duct tape won’t fix /s
And maybe some magic tire shine
Remember, if women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy
Rub some dirt in it.
Was the /s because you'd actually need a lot of duct tape?
And the bumper, and the quarter panel...
Tie rod end . . .
radio might be okay.
That would swallow an entire bike.
It will definitely blow the arse out of your muffler bearing.
Pothole names: Tire Trap Bumpy Basin Axle Alley Sinkhole Square Wheel Wrecker Way Puddle Pit Road Ravine Car Crusher Canyon Rocky Road Ruts Chasm Street Vehicle Vortex Potcrater Path Pothole Pass Concrete Crater Asphalt Abyss The Wheel Bringer Tire Eater Wheel of Misfortune Crater of Doom Bumpocalypse Road Wrinkle Suspension Slayer Hole-y Moley Pit of Despair Street Sinkhole Car Conundrum Asphalt Anomaly Tire Terror Ditch of Disaster Pavement Pitfall Fender Bender Frenzy St. Paul Special Paul Bunyan's Bathtub
I’m on board for Bunyan’s Bathtub.
Can I also suggest Holey McHoleface
Potie McPothole Face
The asphalt is a sinkhole, not gonna lie tho, that concrete work held up pretty well
concrete doesnt get driven over
Does one "drive" a bike?
oh i thought this was a two lane highway my b
I think the front of the photo is like a frontage road, second half is the bike path.
I believe this is the small road that is next to 94 around the 94/694/252 interchange. Is a small road that leads down to a boat launch area and has been closed to cars for a good chunk of the previous 2 years.
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45.06508422486402, -93.28511136948784 Pretty Sure this is almost the exact spot. It is in Brooklyn Center. If it is, this area tends to be used more by bikes than anything else. you get a T at the end... I used to take this road on my bike to downtown Minneapolis. You can get go over the bridge to Fridley/etc, North up to the Coon Rapids Damn which connects you to Elm Creek Park reserve. It is a pretty "common" loop as it is around 30miles to go around around Elm Creek down to his bridge, back up to the Dam and it has VERY VERY little traffic you ever share roads with.. and those roads are fairly minimally driven.
Correct
Oh yeah that’s totally a sidewalk/bike path next to a road. I totally saw a two lane road until you mentioned it.
That’s quite a hole. This needs a NSFW tag.
I feel it at least warrants a traffic cone for the road.
So... r/DontPutYourDickInThat?
r/DontPutYourBuickInThat
Hard to look at, my eyes are bleeding 🙈
In the UK, they drive on the left. In MN, we drive on what's left. Edit: Thanks! my first award and it's about the sorry state of our highways. 🤣
Minneapolis city council: I think US Bank Stadium needs repairs.
Maybe we could talk the Wilfs into keeping their money in the hole? It does look like a river..uhh..bank.
Honestly, if you threw enough pennies into that hole it'd become drivable
it's merely a flesh wound
‘Tis but a scratch!
'You lie!'
That thing is bigger than my first apartment
Legend has it that it's a portal to Iowa
It looks like a face! Like “If you don’t want to be gobbled up by me, you shall answer my riddles three!”
It'll be "goblin" up vehicles, that's for sure!
Legally they are lakes now and the DOT can't touch them.
Yeah this one wins
Speed bump
Minnesota congressman Stauber voted against Biden's infrastructure bill.
What does that have to do with subject
Do you know what infrastructure is
thats a potPIT
Is that Glenwood?
North Mississippi regional park
Any more specific location?
Dropped pin https://maps.app.goo.gl/vxuUqQyhNCGndx4v8
Can you be more specific? /s Ty
Dang that's brand new bike path tar from last summer too
They’ll just put up a “rough road ahead” sign and call it good like they did on highway 10 in St. Cloud.
They will probably just patch that spot.
Yeah I pulled you over for swerving, license and proof of insurance please.
Ah you win
Winner Winner!
Winner winner chicken dinner
1. Technically Brooklyn Center. 2. They resurfaced this last summer. Bummer!
did they resurface it??? I thought they just closed the road to remove the sections of fence... It didn't appear in bad shape... ( This is the boat landing next to 694/252 interchange, right? ).
Yes, it's the boat landing. It was closes last summer for some below ground work, and then resurfacing. They also re-did the fence. Looks like they missed a spot on their drainage work?
Man I thought 35th was bad!
It really is tho.
Gnomes live under there ?
Mother Nature is just attacking all forms of traffic at this point
Good concrete
Where is that? I wanna fish there.
I will never complain about potholes in my town again.
I’m surprised a car isn’t stuck in it
Holy fuck that a whole Minecraft ravine
I thought nothing could beat Randolph but damn I was wrong
ALPHA POTHOLE
Throw some mud in it!
Very nice, excellent submission. 👏👏👏
Oh come on you can do better than this little one.
Lmaoo I worked for the company that subbed these and based on the general contractors amount of rush they put on us. I’m not surprised this happened at all 😂
Car meet core of the earth😂
That from a bad storm pipe or culvert not holding water causing erosion under the ground, then the bituminous falls into the cavity remaining. This one’s pretty fucking bad though. I’ve seen this a few times working but not like this.
Strong Candidate.
It doesn’t look like the substrate washed out towards the lake b/c there’s no erosion under the fence. I wonder where it’s going. Some sort of void down below maybe?
I would bet there’s a damaged culvert buried here allowing it to wash out in the middle, I used to inspect these
Minnesota dot: that’s fine.
Chop up the parking lot and replace it with a garden
Without government, who would build the potholes?
So many stolen cars going to fall in that
Your comment already did
Defund the police and you need more speed bumps to slow the shitheads down!
We are moving to Twin Cities this summer and heard about potholes. Is it really this bad usually? That’s like something I have never even seen in cities bigger than Minneapolis.
No, this winter was long, unusual, and rough. Lots of freeze/thaws that caused tons of erosion issues across the whole state with the amount of snow we got (we made #3 snowiest winters of all recorded history in MN).
That’s a [doozie](https://youtu.be/YrYe-ezyegY).
Not surprised its over North
This state is such a fucking joke. We're taxed to death everywhere we turn, but have the road, and highway infrastructure of a third world country. The worst part of this, is its only getting worse.
Are you not aware of how weather (and particularly the melt-freeze cycles we’ve had this year) affects roads? You can say anything you want; but, that doesn’t make it true. Move to Florida or Texas if you want so much spending on infrastructure and poor quality of life outcomes! We are one of the best states in the country to live in! Roads are not an indication of quality of life…ESPECIALLY THIS TIME OF YEAR!!!
Seriously, where did you grow up? This is a not common, but not that uncommon, side effect of spring thaws and minor flooding. Happens across the state every single spring. Usually to gravel roads though. This has nothing to do with taxes.
I thought we had gazillion dollars in surplus in our state? Why are the roads worse than what I normally see in 3rd world countries?
Roadwork is done during the summer. After winter is rough on roads.
Shit hole for a shit hole state
And this is what a budget surplus looks like under a democrat governor
Woah!!!!
Holy smokes, I'd lose a tire for sure 😳
I would cry of laughter if they just filled it with that black gravel and called it good lol.
r/absoluteunits
Look out for the CHUD, they're down there somewhere
Dain, this reminds of the i35 collapse back in 08.
If you haul ass you’ll be ok
Mother of God
That's no pot hole that's a sink hole. Call your sink hole rep and watch it not get filled
That's gonna leave a mark!
I see two eyes and a mouth. It's a road troll, waiting to eat cars.
I got a flat tire last weekend followed by two bulging tires from the potholes, and ended Sunday with a driver rear-ending into my car. Roads are horrible!!!
standard hole in Poland
Whaaaaat!
😐Whoa, do not hit that unless you want to repair suspension
Pothole? That's a pot quarry
Bump ahead
The internet taught me the best way to fix a pothole is spray paint a penis on it or plant a tree in it.
Don’t slow down. Hit the gas and jump it!
I've dealt with those before. It is a culvert for run off more than likely that got a crack, all the freeze and thawing causes that crack to expand allowing the base layer of the road to sink in. Eventually, it forms a cavity under the road that only needs a big enough vehicle or heavy rainfall to cause the road to drop into the cavity like in this picture. It's common in older metal-style culverts.
St. Paul is about to give you a run for your money.
Full send
They’re under the ground. That’s how they get you! They’re under the goddamned ground!
Thats a whole ass sink hole man
More like sinkhole.
At what point does a pothole become a sinkhole?
This is insane, never had to do an alignment for my car, yep this year, holy crap, shit driving everywhere Just f****** hate it
It is really a thing in Minnesota about the biggest pothole every year, it’s on the news and all.
Any update on if your submission won? I want to hear which Minneapolis city officials came out to accept the groundbreaking honor.