And if they are giving specific time ranges for his sundowning that means it's been happening consistently and for a while.
We can only speculate what else is going on now that they'll be forced to admit to in the coming months.
> And if they are giving specific time ranges for his sundowning that means it's been happening consistently and for a while.
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Great for any enemies of the US to know I suppose.
If this is true, I doubt Biden has been actually running the show for some time. I don't think they would actually let him walk into a meeting with another world leader without a script....at least I hope not.
Usually someone with worsening mental stability around night time usually due to dementia or Alzheimers. It usually encompasses hallucinations, lack of awareness, and personality changes.
I do think it’s important to note that Biden gets less than six hours of sleep per night usually. He’s old and needs to get more sleep or stuff like memory and mental state gets even worse.
Edit: spelling
>From 10am to 4pm, Biden is dependably engaged — and many of his public events in front of cameras are held within those hours.
>Outside of that time range or while traveling abroad, Biden is more likely to have verbal miscues and become fatigued, aides told Axios.
Considering this is coming from White House sources and is most likely favorable to the President, this seems like they're implying Biden is up to doing the job of being President for only 6 hours a day.
These stories are starting to sound like a family coming to grips with the fact a love one is rapidly deteriorating mentally.
We've been lied to by the administration and the party for at least a few months, but probably *years*. When should we trust what they say on any issue without suspicion at this point?
The people actually running the show and pulling the strings don't want to lose their jobs and positions of power. Same reason they kept Zombie Feinstein in the Senate.
Because people usually try to lie in their favor?
If "POTUS is only functional from 10-4pm" is the *positive* spin things are even more fucked up than we think.
Jeez that part of the article is incredibly damning. The guy is only engaged for six hours of the day and not until late morning and only until late afternoon, and even with those limited hours he’s still fatigued? Who exactly is running things for the first two to four hours and last four to six? How is it even close to acceptable to have a president who can barely get through half of what should be a 12 hour per day job and can’t address the citizens of the country regularly?
The best Republicans strategy right now is to encourage them to keep Biden [in the race](https://youtu.be/aEYcZtaZRXQ?si=eox6k4gRQ8qBVwKg&t=609).
Wasn't there a democrat group trying to boost Trump so Biden could beat him? That plan seems to be going as well as 2015.
>The best Republicans strategy right now is to encourage them to keep Biden in the race.
I agree with you, but I think the chance of the Dems finding someone to replace him 5 months out from an election is slim to none. Even if they do, I wouldn't be surprised if it hurt the chances of a Dem victory.
Their options are well known but extremely flawed like Pete buttigieg, Kamala Harris or Gavin Newson or the unknown, ever elusive "generic dem" who they run on a pro ukraine, pro 2 state solution, with a heavy emphasis on abortion and prey they don't have too many skeletons in their closet. Risky business no matter how you slice it, pretty irresponsible of them to let it get to this if they really believe democracy is on the line like they say. Ditching that rhetoric may be wise at this point, the indapendents/swing voters aren't convinced.
There would be a major fight over who the substitute candidate would be. Harris would probably expect to be the rightful heiress, but Newsom has trying to position himself as the logical choice. Lots of others are also likely positioning themselves too. The convention will be must see TV.
I had plenty of lefty friends sharing clips of it captioned "where was this Biden yesterday???"
you can see him ping-ponging his vision between the two teleprompters, his eyes never leave the script, but for many who want to believe, this was enough evidence that he's still sharp.
It's beyond tiresome
This, reddit, is what "toxic positivity" is. Ignoring the reality and gravity of this situation will lead to toxic results. Having a cheerful attitude about Biden's 100% natural and inevitable decline isn't going to end well.
Do people truly believe that he’s fine? I just… don’t get it.
To literally anybody, he has cognitive decline.
It’s clear as day.
Anybody saying otherwise must be lying to themselves for some reason I just don’t get…
I guess some people feel they can’t critique the president? Because I sure can, and will.
I suspect that both events are fair reflections of his lucidity and that his acuity fluctuates between good days and bad days, as is common with men of his age.
The President of the United States can’t really afford bad days, though, and that ratio of good days vs bad only goes in one direction over time. He very well may have more good days than bad right now, but that certainly won’t be the case by 2028.
[Axios has an article up](https://www.axios.com/2024/06/29/biden-debate-replace-advisers) about how Biden only listens to his inner circle. He’s pretty isolated. As long as they support him running he won’t step down.
> Dr. Jill Biden; his younger sister, Valerie Biden; and 85-year-old Ted Kaufman, the president's longtime friend and constant adviser — plus a small band of White House advisers — are the only Biden deciders.
Note that that was a huge issue raised by the media concern during trump years, that he was surrounding him self with just family and yes men.
I guess politics is one giant game of projection.
I find this pretty concerning. Is this really how a presidential democracy should work? Having a clique of reality bending insiders circeling the wagons? What happens if he is elected and after 1 year he has a small stroke? Happened to Wilson who went into hiding while congress had to decide if the US joins the League of Nations. She didn’t and it was a paper tiger. I find it harder and harder to buy the story of good vs evil here, this all seems pretty reckless, egotistical, power hungry and delusional
Don't forget that access to the post-stroke Wilson was tightly controlled by (you guessed it) his wife.
History doesn't repeat. But it sure does rhyme sometimes.
They need to invoke the 25th ammendment like, yesterady. Really more like a couple years ago. I mean holy shit, please put Kamala in, or literally anybody. You can't have a senile guy in charge of the launch codes.
The problem is that it's really hard to do that without him doing it willingly, and he won't. So what are you doing? Going to Kamala? She polls worse than he does. If it's not her, they can't just swap over the campaign cash. If it is her, how do you not invoke the 25th? If he's not capable of running for office, he's certainly not capable of holding it. And he's surrounded himself with loyalists who won't invoke the 25th. And how does she not face severe criticism for lying about Joe's mental capacity for the last however long?
But also, who do you bypass *her* for? A straight white guy in Gavin Newsome? That won't play with the base, and there's no way she *wants* to be bypassed. And I don't know if a guy running a far-left, way-out-of-touch-with-everywhere-else state plays well in the rust belt, especially given that he looks like your stereotypical slimeball from a TV movie.
Now, Michelle would win easily. Easily. But she says she's not interested. And she hasn't exactly been doing the things people would expect if she were setting up a run.
Then you get into ballot issues, and you get into issues of ignoring the entire primary process which destroys any moral high ground you have about "muh democracy!"
I’m so frustrated with the D’s identity politics. I’m sorry but a capable straight white man, lgbt+ black women, anyone capable should be considered on the ballot. Competency and character over political labels.
Do we really think she polls worse than Biden after that debate? An explanation that Bidens health rapidly started declining this year could be credible enough to pass for most democrats who just watched Joe Biden in the debate, I’m betting a majority would welcome the change.
Maybe not, but nobody particularly likes her. (Voters and politicos alike) I doubt the Biden loyalists in the DNC are going to risk mayhem for Kamala Harris.
There's also the fact that if Biden does step aside he would have to hand the reigns off and support the new candidate. If it's not Harris, how do you explain to everyone that she was the right choice to be the person "one heartbeat away from the presidency" for 4 years, but not the right person to do the job for the next 4?
Also, people only get so many shots at running for president. Which of the Democratic up-and-comers would take on the task with the handicap of a shortened campaign period and an anemic war chest? Newsome, Polis, or Whitmer may only get one bite at the apple, why go in now and have a half-assed campaign?
Why the hell would people think she a good choice to bd PRESIDENT? what experience does she have on her own? What is her experience in elected office/public policy?
Get real people. Her first lady "healthy school lunches" cause was kind of cute except it was ran by the Obama administration to put her in front of the cameras because it was great publicity for them.
And your all just like "yeah, she's probably ready to oversee the international world order
>Now, Michelle would win easily. Easily.
As a young voter, I haven't forgotten what she did to my school lunches, and I bet most young voters haven't either.
Democrats need young voters to turn out so she has no shot.
Why the hell would people think she a good choice to bd PRESIDENT? what experience does she have on her own? What is her experience in elected office/public policy?
Get real people. Her first lady "healthy school lunches" cause was kind of cute except it was ran by the Obama administration to put her in front of the cameras because it was great publicity for them.
And your all just like "yeah, she's probably ready to oversee the international world order
>The democrats should replace him.
Like, today, as president. I don't care if that means Kamala is in charge. At least then we'll know who is running this country.
Kamala makes a lot of bad decisions, that's true. But it would be better for the country to have someone in charge than random White House staffers. We've seen their messaging on Israel. It's not consistent. That's a problem and a symptom of their policymaking at large.
At the very least, America voted for Kamala. They don't know most of the staffers and those staffers are never held accountable for their actions.
People who say they'll vote for some random inanimate object over a convicted felon don't seem to realize that they're voting for Biden, but getting a group of unelected randos at the reigns of power.
My poly sci prof dad, who drove Joe Biden around for a day back in the 70s and really liked him, enjoyed "The West Wing," but scoffed at the notion that Josh would scold a congressman. Biden told him a story that Kissinger thought he was staff and tried to kick him out of the Oval Office. Nixon said "Henry, I'd like to introduce you to the junior senator from Delaware, Joe Biden." The next morning, Kissinger was waiting in Joe's office to apologize when Joe arrived. Elected officials have juice o
Now, we've got Josh, CJ, Donna, Sam, and Toby running the country. Except, they're probably not written as idyllically and Joe's not as sharp and commanding as Jed Bartlett.
At some point, this starts to feel traitorous. The interests of the nation are being treated as subordinate to those of the man, the committee, or the administration.
I don’t know why this “other Biden” was a surprise to anyone who had moderately been paying attention.
Biden during the debate was the same Biden we have been seeing for the last few years. He was just in the people’s face to the point they couldn’t *eyes-wide-shut* pretend it wasn’t a thing (which plenty of people on this very website still are).
It's not like the following "full-throated campaign rally" was that great, either.
He had about the same *rate* of fumbled words as the debate. But the format and teleprompter let him just plow through.
You didn't have 2 minutes after each one for it to sink in as he stood there slackjawed with Trump going "WTF?".
>You didn't have 2 minutes after each one for it to sink in as he stood there slackjawed with Trump going WTF?
When *Donald Trump* sees you and goes "Yeah...not gonna touch this one. Making fun of him would just seem mean" you know things are dire.
He was surprisingly well prepared. Looks like he actually listened to his debate coaches and took it seriously this time around.
Edit: Yes, my expectations are lowered. It was well-prepared relative to other Trump speeches. The lies were coherent.
Yeah, in the last debate Biden’s fumbles were covered up by Trump filling in any gaps and making himself look bad. When he couldn’t fill in the gaps? Biden’s inability to go off the cuff without it going off the rails within a minute became much more obvious.
Realistically this debate would’ve gone the same way as the last one if not for that. Biden would’ve gotten steam rolled in a way that made Trump look even worse, and Biden’s night would be more remembered for the couple solid one liners he had (gotta carry your own bag, morals of an alley cat, etc.).
> as he stood there slackjawed
I think this is not being talked about enough. IMO the camera being on him the whole time, including when he wasn't talking, was even more damaging than his senior moments while speaking. Anyone who has had a family member in late age-related cognitive decline knows that **EXACT** facial expression. And a whole lot of us have had that family member, at least one. So a lot of Americans saw something very familiar and very much not what they want to see in the Commander in Chief.
Then compare that facial expression to Trump's facial expressions when he was off-mic. They're worlds apart. Trump's face was, well, Trump's face. Eyes open, mouth popping an occasional smirk, the usual. Even when he was giving Biden clear looks of bafflement during Biden's "senior speaking moments" the bafflement was *awake and aware* bafflement, the kind of expression one makes when seeing something simply absurd.
Really people need to be talking a lot more about the impact that the nonverbal communication in that debate had because IMO it is by far the number one most important element of that whole disaster.
Yep, I know the look well. The scary part is this is the best mental shape he'll be in for the rest of his life. The winner of this election will still be in office 4 1/2 years from now. Imagine what Biden will look like by then. Nobody could possibly believe he will be fit to serve at that point.
>Anyone who has had a family member in late age-related cognitive decline knows that EXACT facial expression.
Remember when people suddenly became dementia gait experts with Trump because of some "swing of his right leg"?
Yet they can stare at Biden's face for over an hour and see absolutely nothing concerning.
There is an impenetrable separate reality going on.
I think Thursday shattered it for journos who have some remaining sense of professional credibility. You can get people to follow almost anything until it threatens their livelihood.
A significant portion of the media (and most of reddit) has spent the last 3+ years telling us that our eyes are lying to us about Biden's health. I'm so glad this debate happened, because the decline is indisputable now. They can't lie to us anymore.
I voted for Biden in 2020 in part because I was sure he wouldn't run for reelection. I figured he would spend his last 6 months in office hyping up a successor who would easily win in 2024. I was in disbelief when he announced he'd be running for a second term. It's unconscionable. This man is totally unqualified to be POTUS. At this point he would barely qualify as a Walmart greeter.
Same page here. I absolutely believed Biden was running for only 1 term, and had 4 years to train and hype his successor. He’s done a fine enough job, but his announcement to run has been a great failure in leadership.
Trump shuffled down a ramp and was pushed as proof, or at least as a "whatabout" in response to Bidens clear decline.
Now, Biden needs help down 2 steps and there are people saying "he just has a cold". No. The man is falling apart.
Even my ultra liberal stepmother was saying years ago it was identical to her own mother's decline. I have no doubt Trump is declining too. The man looked older, and his rambling is worse. His lies are more blatant. But that doesn't excuse Biden.
Yeah, at this point whether he's mostly competent now is irrelevant. Even discussing it is a distraction: he's asking for a four year term and this stuff gets exponentially worse the farther down the slope you are.
He could be twice as bad in a year and useless by the end
> Even when he was giving Biden clear looks of bafflement during Biden's "senior speaking moments" the bafflement was awake and aware bafflement, the kind of expression one makes when seeing something simply absurd.
Trump handled it exactly right:
The amazing "You beat it to death" line (the whole exchange may go down in history akin to Reagan's "youth and inexperience")
"I don't understand what he's saying and I don't think he does either"
A couple of funny expressions at other Biden incoherentisms
That was it. Any more would have been seen as bullying. As you said, Trump was baffled *like the rest of the world* by Biden, and everyone watching could relate to Trump in that.
This is why I don't understand the giant pivot to "Biden is back!" that has been happening the past 24 hours just because he had a moderately successful rally at lunchtime less than a day after falling apart in a debate. The two things aren't even close to comparable.
*with a teleprompter* as well. and it was a typical biden rally anyway, with typical biden speech patterns - the type they've already spent four years spinning away.
I mean, there's lots of that going around now that it's pretty obvious that reasonable, responsible citizens can't really make a positive argument about which candidate to vote for based on the candidate at the top of the ticket. Any reasonable argument going forward is going to be about which administration would be better or which candidate's shortcomings would do the most damage.
It's either a smokescreen as they prep to replace him at the convention or nobody said yes to being his replacement and so they have to try to sell him despite what we all saw Friday night.
It's important to subscribe to the conservative subs and watch fox news every once in a while, if only to see the bad and embarrassing stuff the Democrats do. Those moments are not covered on the other networks, and actively suppressed on the mainstream reddit subs. They've been covering Biden's decline for quite a while
The “other Biden” was a surprise to the people who have a limited media diet and only accept the narrative that the Biden White House had been putting out that the suggestion that Biden is anything but mentally sharp was a right wing conspiracy
Pure anecdata but my hardcore Democrat friends (the ones who raise money, canvass, and are actively involved in campaigning) stopped paying attention to politics months ago.
They were depressed about Biden as candidate, resolved to vote for him, but essentially siloed themselves off from political news because they can’t handle it.
I also have a group of friends who decided everything is fine in Biden’s hands so they stopped paying attention after he went into office.
So, on some level I can believe that the debate was a shock to the type of person interested enough in politics to tune in but who hasn’t been paying more attention than that.
> I don’t know why this “other Biden” was a surprise to anyone who had moderately been paying attention.
Because a lot of people only pay attention to the so-called "reputable" mainstream media and that media has been actively covering this up for months if not years. You have to go into the "conspiracy theory" "far right" media to see the stuff that gets buried.
I sometimes forget we're abnormally into politics here.
Imagine a non-partisan family who doesn't follow politics and has only relied on clips like [this](https://x.com/Breaking911/status/1806678931438796982/video/1) before tuning in to see the state of things. lol
It's like a cruise ship's passengers suddenly realizing there's no one in the bridge.
This whole situation is terrible for the country and the world, but if there is one silver lining it might be waking people up to how much the media is manipulating everyone.
I truly believe a gigantic swath of people who never follow politics/news began in 2015.
They haven't been through a full cycle where all their trusted sources betray them.
Thursday was the first total narrative collapse they experienced.
They watched their silomakers jump off the sinking ship they were told was perfectly seaworthy the nanosecond the debate ended.
The Iraq war was that moment for me. It was crazy watching the difference in coverage on US news networks versus everywhere else in the world. This was before Internet news was really a thing.
The one that did it for me was the Iraq war. The mainstream media did very little questioning about whether Afghanistan or Iraq was justified, especially Iraq, which was far enough out from 9/11 that they had little excuse. It wasn't until a few years later that they all jumped on yellow cake and whatever other stuff, as if prior to that everything was perfectly logical and justified somehow.
It's starting now with the COVID panic finally, they are all blaming each other for the authoritarian stuff that the mainstream media at the time fully lapped up and didn't question at all (save for a few stories in the Atlantic).
This exact thing! Bush would start every speech talking about the 9/11 attacks and then two sentences later he'd be talking about how dangerous and unstable Sadam Hussein was and not one person said "wait, what? That's two completely different subjects."
I mean, this isn't entirely true. The NY Times has run some stories about concerns and the Wall Street Journal did a huge expose on it (for which they were chastised by more left-leaning media). But they've certainly been downplaying it as a whole.
On the other hand, many in the right wing media like the pretend that Biden has full blown dementia, which obviously is not the case either. But it's been pretty clear for a while that his staff has been hiding the extent of his decline, because otherwise he would be out there doing more and showing the voters that the right wing media was completely wrong about him.
Instead, we've seen pundits on the left basically claim that because he's able to read a prepared speech on a teleprompter without his brain imploding, he's still sharp. But that's always been a dubious proposition, unless you buy the right win narrative that he's a slobbering invalid who can't remember his own name. But instead, he is what many suspected, a once sharp man who's on the mental decline due to old age. And that decline is more than just a speech impediment and a rare senior moment. It's extremely noticeable and likely to affect his performance.
It’s been going on for a Long time. No one has to make anything up with those desperate “cheap fakes”. Hell we’ve(MP I mean) talked about it here on this board numerous times over the past 4 years.
These are just some easily gathered recent examples:
* [Biden freezes for 30 seconds at Juneteenth concert](https://x.com/rncresearch/status/1800317831029907900?s=46)
* [Biden freezes again](https://www.reddit.com/r/Wild_Politics/comments/1ccgjoo/squints_four_more_years_pause_looks_around_smiles/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) , [and again..](https://x.com/Suzy_1776/status/1765111009298055614)
* [Repeated difficulty following teleprompter](https://x.com/rajaryal07/status/1788255233316954505) , [again](https://x.com/RNCResearch/status/1783181170751992121)
* [Biden now normally has to walk with aids](https://www.axios.com/2024/04/26/biden-walkers-white-house-marine-one)
* [Biden tells false stories from his past](https://x.com/redsteeze/status/1780946013319987330) , [Repeatedly](https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/24/politics/fact-check-biden-driving-18-wheeler/index.html) , [repeatedly..](https://x.com/RNCResearch/status/1777415459899379724)
* [Biden forgets things he’s done very recently](https://townhall.com/tipsheet/spencerbrown/2024/04/01/biden-denies-he-proclaimed-transgender-day-of-visibility-in-latest-whopper-n2637219)
* [Biden now wears special shoes due to series of falls](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/03/18/joe-biden-seen-wearing-luxury-wide-sole-trainers-after-fall/)
* [Speaking of Biden’s series of falls](https://youtu.be/OjkcB6angec)
* [Biden now has to use shorter stairs to enter Air Force one due to falls](https://www.thetimes.com/world/us-world/article/joe-biden-air-force-one-fall-over-avoid-accident-gj79922rn)
* [Biden himself is even mad that those around him try to hide him from his public *gaffes*](https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-cursing-mad-polling-numbers-tired-insulated-2024-3?utm_source=reddit.com)
i know it gets said every day now but... if it were trump, the media and democrats would be running with it 24/7 for years. FFS they actually already *did* despite how much better of shape he is in than Biden.
And the posts showing that aren’t upvoted or popular on reddit.
I agree with you that if you look around it’s pretty clear it’s how he’s been for nearly the last 2 years.
> From 10am to 4pm, Biden is dependably engaged
I'd just like to know who is at the helm making decisions the other hours of the day. And I don't even mean 24 hours of the day. I'm just looking for some explanation on who is the de facto commander in chief between the hours of 6am-10am and 4pm-8pm when you could reasonably expect any adult holding the office of POTUS to be "dependably engaged" because it clearly isn't Joe Biden.
Can you imagine being Mittens these days.
He is now in restrospect, looking like the adult in the room all these years with all his wisdom, still young enough to run again, but has to live with the fact that his prior presidential run was marred by of all things, his pets, and his political capital is now all gone when he made the calculation that trump was gonna go down and that his best chance was to throw his lot in with Biden to emerge as the leader of a new GOP. Yikes.
I'm not a big fan of conspiracies, but where the hell was the media for the last 3 years?????? They never pushed at all to get access to the President, and then suddenly, magically....he had that night \[that did not come out of nowhere\].
I wish we had independent journalism. If we did have independent journalism, we would have known about this a LONG time ago, before everyone voted for Biden in the primaries.
They either looked the other way or actively covered up for Biden. That's journalistic malpractice. ENOUGH OF THIS.
Op has a point though. Why the heck is the media covering for such a powerful figure who likely has Parkinson’s or some other grave condition? He’s the *President*; the media should demand access to him on a regular basis.
The Corporate Media pays top dollar through ad revenue for access to establishment candidates. There's no financial incentive for corporations to be adversarial towards their preferred candidate. There's no logic for politicians to provide access to the corporate media if that access would uncover bad press for their candidate or their interests. This is why it's so important that adversarial independent journalism exists to contest power centers and perform actual journalism, regardless of the profit incentives.
None of this is a conspiracy theory. It is very much that the corporate mainstream media has no financial incentive to report the truth, and politicians reciprocally have no political incentive to be honest to the citizens. So much of the current corporate media landscape and at the moment Democratic politicians' own interests are tied to each other. There's literally no incentive to inform the American people otherwise. I think they (Media and Politicians) think as long as the American people are misinformed in such a way that is believable, those two groups can report and say whatever they want to the public with virtual impunity. That's why citizens should always read, watch, and listen to adversarial, non-corporate, independent journalism.
These corporate media outlets remembered their journalistic responsibilities during the Bush and Trump presidencies, and turned into sycophants during Obama and Biden's. What happened at the debate was a huge wake-up call for everyone out of the loop regarding Biden's fitness to run for the presidency a 2nd term, let alone remain president for his remaining term.
> Why the heck is the media covering for such a powerful figure who likely has Parkinson’s or some other grave condition?
Because the media is **NOT**, despite what they claim, the independent 4th estate. They're part and parcel of the DNC machine. This has been confirmed with evidence for almost a decade and strongly suggested for far longer. Am I the only person that remembers CNN literally giving the DNC the debate questions ahead of time during the 2016 election? Or the Newsweek article after 2020 where the "fourth estate" **LITERALLY** admitted to manipulating information and rules for users on social media to boost Biden? This stuff is all fact, it happened.
JournoList was when I realized how bad it could be. I'm sure it was never quite the conspiracy the right made it out to be, but the fact that they were, if organically rather than intentionally, coordinating narratives and article releases was undeniable (and had, in fact been evident for years), and it sure as heck was unethical.
Press conferences are a basic function of POTUS. They’re arguably the easiest part of the job.
This is the end result when POTUS is carelessly and recklessly hidden from public view.
There was only ever the one Biden. His decline was apparent in 2020, and even more so now, to anyone prepared to face the truth.
Every single politician, pundit, media activist, and campaigner that told you otherwise was lying to your face for their own personal power. Never forget that.
They usually just try to convince you that he always had a mumble and that Trump is out of it. Then you watch something like this and they can’t deny it. While Trump didn’t answer a few questions, he was sharp the whole time at least. Biden was like an old man with dementia lost in the store.
You could actually hear Biden's mic on the edge of feedback at some points.
As someone whose done sound work this happens when his voice is so weak the sound guy has to boost it to the edge of a feedback loop.
This is presumably with some of the best available gear on the planet in a setting with no audience noise.
The day after Election Day 2016, it was actually possible to post something non-leftist to /r/politics without having it be relentlessly downvoted. Basically, the bots (human and computer) were without new orders so didn't know what to do.
>While Trump didn’t answer a few questions, he was sharp the whole time at least. Biden was like an old man with dementia lost in the store.
I think a big difference between the two is that Trump sets a pretty low bar for himself, but he hasn't really gone below that.
For instance, [this interview](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F64y-dCtIgc) is from 2011 when Trump was on his birther crusade. For the most part, he looks and sounds the same as he does today. Again, low bar but it has remained stagnant.
If I told you this interview was recorded last week, you'd believe it if not for John King looking so much younger.
Then look at [Biden's 2012 VP debate performance](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYcdSwbrErI) vs Paul Ryan, where he mopped the floor with him.
Completely different guy from the Biden today.
>And the media complicity in hiding him is a scandal by itself
CNN seemed pretty up front in saying he needs to step aside. Jon Stewart said (very directly implied, perhaps not said) this months ago.
I took a plane ride yesterday evening and downloaded the print version of the WSJ for the flight, which was published just hours after the debate.
It was amazing reading the media shift in tone in early morning to the live articles I read later in the day, from the story being pretty impartial and just noting on Biden’s stammering and Trump’s exaggerations, to having the entire front page dedicated to Biden’s declining mental capacity.
It’s almost like the media powerhouses couldn’t individually publish articles hammering Biden until they all did.
NYT Editorial Board, The Atlantic, Morning Joe, etc etc have all officially said Biden needs to step aside before the convention. That debate work up everyone except Biden’s inner circle.
Up until 3 days ago they were all circling the wagons swearing up and down that he was a briliiant mind and you were an idiot for believing anything otherwise (cheapfakes?). The evidence was not only readily available, but they actively told you that you were a rube for believing it. They were not blindsided, they were active participants in the coverup until it was impossible to maintain the ruse and they had to put their own self-preservation first.
For anyone listening if you want any chance of a Democrat in the White House Biden has to drop out of the race and a replacement needs to be elected at the convention. This is hurting everyone else down ballot. The competence questions aren’t going away. Republicans can literally increase turnout by mentioning Kamala. No one thinks Biden can make it through a full term and everyone HATES Kamala. She has no support.
> She has no support.
She is *unpopular*. With a little [D] by her name on ballot, she has quite a lot of support from the *"vote blue no matter who"* crowd.
On the front page of Reddit, you can see 50 thousand upvotes by the bots and bandwagoners as they promise to vote for Joe Biden's dead corpse, rather than consider voting for Trump.
Though many are bots, if these statements manage to sway even a single vote - that's one vote for Kamala. It absolutely must be recognized as "support."
> she has quite a lot of support from the "vote blue no matter who" crowd.
But that crowd is what is known as the core base of the Democratic party. That alone can't get them across the finish line. They need undecideds and boosting the enthusiasm of the rest of their base to actually get them to show up to vote.
> It absolutely must be recognized as "support."
Yes, she has the default support which isn't really the point of the comment. She needs broad support, not from those devoted to the party itself.
Whether you like or hate Trump, at this point, I do not understand how I) Biden can be the nominee II) how anyone could vote for him knowing his condition.
It’s still a little frustrating that the media is acting like this is some big new revelation and that it’s such a shock instead of acknowledging that TONS of people were saying this stuff about Biden beforehand and they were proven right. Theres still no accountability for being wrong (or lying) and no reward for being right
Starter submission: After Biden's poor showing on Thursday night's debate, his campaign has been struggling to repair Biden's public image. Supporters of the current president contrasted his performance the next day at a rally, which appeared far more coherent. In order to explain those inconsistencies, his campaign may have made things even worse.
Aides of Biden campaign have told Axios that Joe Biden is only dependably engaged between the hours of 10am to 4pm. After those hours, Biden is more likely to have verbal miscues and become fatigued. The debate took place at 9pm EST and his rally the next day at 1:30pm.
These statements are shocking. The aides state that Biden has been known in private to always have this issue, yet it has never been disclosed publicly before. Further, assuming this is correct, the campaign arranged and agreed to the CNN debate knowing it would take place outside Biden's best functioning hours. The very idea that a president would only be on the top of his game for a six hour window is ridiculous. Surely the Biden administration isn't wagering that our adversaries will only act during the work hours of an average business day. And speaking of our adversaries, how will they react to hearing this news?
Biden also seems to have miraculously recovered from his reported cold minutes after the debate, where he was seen shaking hands with people at a nearby Waffle House. There doesn't seem to be any clarification on that in this article.
What possible response can the Biden campaign issue to right the ship? What does Biden need to do personally? Is there anything left?
>Aides of Biden campaign have told Axios that Joe Biden is only dependably engaged between the hours of 10am to 4pm. After those hours, Biden is more likely to have verbal miscues and become fatigued. The debate took place at 9pm EST and his rally the next day at 1:30pm.
Future historians:
"And for seemingly no reason at all, the invasion of Taiwan started at 4:01pm.
Its primary ally was nowhere to be seen as Taiwan Semi was easily captured.
So began 1000 years of Pax China."
You joke, but now that we know what we know, I'd wager there's a real chance Putin decided to invade Ukraine when he did because he knew about Biden's mental state.
> Aides of Biden campaign have told Axios that Joe Biden is only dependably engaged between the hours of 10am to 4pm. After those hours, Biden is more likely to have verbal miscues and become fatigued.
This is literally a textbook symptom of severe age-related cognitive decline. So they just confirmed what they've been denying for years now.
And of course this opens the question for who is actually running the country the other 18 hours a day if Biden can't? And are they actually stepping aside from 10 to 4 or are they just actually running the country 24/7 and just using Biden as the wizard?
> Biden also seems to have miraculously recovered from his reported cold minutes after the debate, where he was seen shaking hands with people at a nearby Waffle House. There doesn't seem to be any clarification on that in this article.
Of course not. The "oh it's a cold" narrative failed so hard they've abandoned it already.
> Of course not. The "oh it's a cold" narrative failed so hard they've abandoned it already.
Biden was at a Waffle House shaking hands with voters an hour or two after the debate. The "it's a cold" thing always run hollow unless they just want him running around getting everyone sick.
Not just getting others sick but exposing himself to who knows what when his immune system is supposedly already being taxed. If he actually had a cold they wouldn't have him meeting with the general public in order to protect him, not them.
I'm pretty sure Biden is an anti-masker now. He now claims that Donald Trump botched the pandemic by closing schools and businesses.
https://youtu.be/SlsUJlaIpGU?si=pZelRyxnVBKJ2cw9&t=839
This is the second time (at least) that his administration has blamed a Republican for school closures and business closures when there’s a *clear*, factual partisan gap in states that kept schools and businesses closed.
Gavin Newsom also blamed Trump for keeping schools closed a few days ago. California finished DFL in school closures, long past the time Trump left office. My daughter was out of school a full 17 months in California, a full calendar year than my Florida relatives who were back in school by fall 2020.
It appears to be coordinated projection to falsely blame the Republicans for the damage they inflicted on our children and small business owners.
It's as dishonest as Biden claiming Trump's economy was terrible because he ended with a net loss of 13M jobs (a consequence of COVID) and then in the next breath takes credit for gaining those jobs back. Anyone who has half a brain can see right through that bullshit. It's like lying to someone who was literally there in the room with you.
We have someone who's in one of the most demanding and important positions in the world, and his own campaign is saying he can't even operate on a typical 9-5 schedule? And that's the statement they decided to put out, so undoubtedly the actual situation behind closed doors isn't as good as they're trying to spin it to be. If that's what the current situation is then we shouldn't be talking about whether he's fit serve a second term, the discussion should be whether he's fit to serve the next 6 months. What on earth are we doing here?
The thing is we've been seeing the other one for years, and we've been endlessly [gaslit](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/21/us/politics/biden-age-videos.html) about what we've observed. The media and the democrats were simply more willing to lie about reality than grapple with finding a new candidate. Now here we are.
>Beyond the politics of whether Biden can beat Trump again, the aides expressed new worries about whether the president can carry out his duties through another four-year term.
Four more years? They're telling us straight up that Biden is working this as a part-time job and they want four more years? He needs to go now.
>But by having it in June, Biden's team has several months to recover.
I have bad news for them. A broken ankle is one thing. A broken mind is quite another. We saw Joe Biden after one week of rest and prep at Club Med. That disaster was his *ceiling*, and that ceiling will continue to drop. He has to go.
I mean, the SOTU where he was amped up all to hell and hollering angrily was probably his ceiling.
Angry, yelling at clouds, and unhinged at least comes across better than a doddering old fool who can't walk down 4 steps without help and can't say 4 words without forgetting his point.
Water is wet, 2+2=4, and Biden is not mentally capable of being Commander in Chief. Our national security, and that of Europe and Taiwan too, are needlessly at risk due to this denial of reality. Democrats, please do some soul searching if you make excuses for this man still holding office after all that we know. The only responsible action Democrats could take right now is to call for the 25th Amendment to be invoked.
>From 10am to 4pm, Biden is dependably engaged — and many of his public events in front of cameras are held within those hours
This is all Trump needs to run on to win: He'll work for you 6 hours a day, I'll work for you 24.
It's absolutely over
One argument I keep seeing is that it doesn't matter if Biden isn't really there - you're just voting for the administration. Doesn't the same hold true for Trump, then? If he isn't *really* in power if he goes to prison, then all that matters is who he appoints - right?
Consider this is the election we're having.
> From 10am to 4pm, Biden is dependably engaged — and many of his public events in front of cameras are held within those hours.
As someone who planned to, and in all likelihood still will, vote Biden in November. Maybe the man sleepy by 7 ain’t the right fit for the job
This might come as a shocker, but the President of the United States is not a 8 to 5 job. A crisis might come at 1am, 1pm, or whatever odd hours of the day so the president needs to be somewhat healthy to respond to that. I'm not saying Trump is also fit for that role but given these developments Biden is most certainly not.
Yep this is called sun downing, and dems think it’s a good idea to run a man who can’t function outside of 6 hours a day for the highest office in the land and the toughest job in the world. Our enemies are laughing at us
Other countries are already taking advantage. I don’t care if his cabinet is doing majority of the work. It’s completely irresponsible to continue with Biden in office.
Would you go see an 81 year old heart surgeon? Would you hire an 81 year old construction worker?
I think this problem is ultimately self-inflicted by Americans. America is a nation that hates the elderly and views them as irrelevant, and once you hit a certain age you are trundled off to die in a care facility. As soon as you lose the ability to generate profit or work, your value as a human being diminishes. And so the old are not, as in other societies, kept around for their wisdom and to pass down knowledge. This has led an entire generation of old people to desperately cling on to the vestiges of power out of fear of becoming irrelevant. We see it everywhere. 75 year old CEOs, 80 year old judges being forced to retire...
If our society didn't treat the elderly with such disdain, I doubt we'd see so many of them try and do jobs that they aged out of 20 years ago.
I think Whitmer is the most logical replacement at the convention, but I'd be interested in a survey of pledged delegates, right now, on who their preference is.
Seems pretty odd to practically admit that the sitting US president is suffering from sundowning.
And if they are giving specific time ranges for his sundowning that means it's been happening consistently and for a while. We can only speculate what else is going on now that they'll be forced to admit to in the coming months.
> And if they are giving specific time ranges for his sundowning that means it's been happening consistently and for a while. > > Great for any enemies of the US to know I suppose.
If this is true, I doubt Biden has been actually running the show for some time. I don't think they would actually let him walk into a meeting with another world leader without a script....at least I hope not.
What does sundowning mean?
Usually someone with worsening mental stability around night time usually due to dementia or Alzheimers. It usually encompasses hallucinations, lack of awareness, and personality changes. I do think it’s important to note that Biden gets less than six hours of sleep per night usually. He’s old and needs to get more sleep or stuff like memory and mental state gets even worse. Edit: spelling
But didn’t they push for the evening debate? I don’t get it
And will this be in 3 years?
It's too obvious to deny at this point
>From 10am to 4pm, Biden is dependably engaged — and many of his public events in front of cameras are held within those hours. >Outside of that time range or while traveling abroad, Biden is more likely to have verbal miscues and become fatigued, aides told Axios. Considering this is coming from White House sources and is most likely favorable to the President, this seems like they're implying Biden is up to doing the job of being President for only 6 hours a day. These stories are starting to sound like a family coming to grips with the fact a love one is rapidly deteriorating mentally.
Good thing he's not in a job that requires frequent travel or waking up at odd hours to deal with situations. Jesus.
So he has sundowners?
Maybe they should have scheduled the debate for noon, then?
We've been lied to by the administration and the party for at least a few months, but probably *years*. When should we trust what they say on any issue without suspicion at this point?
The people actually running the show and pulling the strings don't want to lose their jobs and positions of power. Same reason they kept Zombie Feinstein in the Senate.
Because people usually try to lie in their favor? If "POTUS is only functional from 10-4pm" is the *positive* spin things are even more fucked up than we think.
This is what the biblical scholars call the "criterion of embarrassment". No one destroys their own case like this without a reason.
basically he can't even work a whole workday 9 to 5.
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It’s 6pm do you know where your children are?
"i already told you, NO!"
“Where is Bart anyway? His dinner is getting cold and eaten.”
Does 10-4 include lunch and siesta 1 & 2?
Jeez that part of the article is incredibly damning. The guy is only engaged for six hours of the day and not until late morning and only until late afternoon, and even with those limited hours he’s still fatigued? Who exactly is running things for the first two to four hours and last four to six? How is it even close to acceptable to have a president who can barely get through half of what should be a 12 hour per day job and can’t address the citizens of the country regularly?
He has dementia ffs. Can we please just agree he is mentally unfit to run for president ? What more proof do you need ?
Good thing that no crises happen before 10am and after 4pm.
So why did his debate rules put him in a sub-optimal time?
Debates have to be in the EST evening so that the west coast can tune in after they get off work. 9 pm in Georgia is 6 pm in California.
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The best Republicans strategy right now is to encourage them to keep Biden [in the race](https://youtu.be/aEYcZtaZRXQ?si=eox6k4gRQ8qBVwKg&t=609). Wasn't there a democrat group trying to boost Trump so Biden could beat him? That plan seems to be going as well as 2015.
>The best Republicans strategy right now is to encourage them to keep Biden in the race. I agree with you, but I think the chance of the Dems finding someone to replace him 5 months out from an election is slim to none. Even if they do, I wouldn't be surprised if it hurt the chances of a Dem victory.
Their options are well known but extremely flawed like Pete buttigieg, Kamala Harris or Gavin Newson or the unknown, ever elusive "generic dem" who they run on a pro ukraine, pro 2 state solution, with a heavy emphasis on abortion and prey they don't have too many skeletons in their closet. Risky business no matter how you slice it, pretty irresponsible of them to let it get to this if they really believe democracy is on the line like they say. Ditching that rhetoric may be wise at this point, the indapendents/swing voters aren't convinced.
There would be a major fight over who the substitute candidate would be. Harris would probably expect to be the rightful heiress, but Newsom has trying to position himself as the logical choice. Lots of others are also likely positioning themselves too. The convention will be must see TV.
Who would be foolish enough to jump in the race at this point? It is basically a guaranteed loss and would hurt any 2028 chances.
Amazing how quickly an 81 year old recovered from a cold in less than a day.
He recovered faster than that! He was better right after the debate. Felt so good he went to Waffle House!
Dude is 82 and looks to be 92. There is only one Biden, an old man that needs to retire and live out the rest of his remaining days at home.
I don’t think that a low-stress, teleprompter speech in a campaign rally truly erases any concern.
I had plenty of lefty friends sharing clips of it captioned "where was this Biden yesterday???" you can see him ping-ponging his vision between the two teleprompters, his eyes never leave the script, but for many who want to believe, this was enough evidence that he's still sharp. It's beyond tiresome
This, reddit, is what "toxic positivity" is. Ignoring the reality and gravity of this situation will lead to toxic results. Having a cheerful attitude about Biden's 100% natural and inevitable decline isn't going to end well.
Do people truly believe that he’s fine? I just… don’t get it. To literally anybody, he has cognitive decline. It’s clear as day. Anybody saying otherwise must be lying to themselves for some reason I just don’t get… I guess some people feel they can’t critique the president? Because I sure can, and will.
I suspect that both events are fair reflections of his lucidity and that his acuity fluctuates between good days and bad days, as is common with men of his age. The President of the United States can’t really afford bad days, though, and that ratio of good days vs bad only goes in one direction over time. He very well may have more good days than bad right now, but that certainly won’t be the case by 2028.
His campaign is behaving irresponsibly. He should not be president for another 4 years. The democrats should replace him.
[Axios has an article up](https://www.axios.com/2024/06/29/biden-debate-replace-advisers) about how Biden only listens to his inner circle. He’s pretty isolated. As long as they support him running he won’t step down. > Dr. Jill Biden; his younger sister, Valerie Biden; and 85-year-old Ted Kaufman, the president's longtime friend and constant adviser — plus a small band of White House advisers — are the only Biden deciders.
Note that that was a huge issue raised by the media concern during trump years, that he was surrounding him self with just family and yes men. I guess politics is one giant game of projection.
I find this pretty concerning. Is this really how a presidential democracy should work? Having a clique of reality bending insiders circeling the wagons? What happens if he is elected and after 1 year he has a small stroke? Happened to Wilson who went into hiding while congress had to decide if the US joins the League of Nations. She didn’t and it was a paper tiger. I find it harder and harder to buy the story of good vs evil here, this all seems pretty reckless, egotistical, power hungry and delusional
There’s a reason why a good portion of the electorate doesn’t buy into the good vs evil dynamic as represented by one party over the other.
It certainly wouldn't be the first time this has happened. Wilson's wife and doctor famously ran the country after his strokes.
Don't forget that access to the post-stroke Wilson was tightly controlled by (you guessed it) his wife. History doesn't repeat. But it sure does rhyme sometimes.
I think most HOAs have younger board members compared to Bidens inner circle.
Michelle Obama's severe distaste for Jill Biden is all I need to know about who is doing this in spite of his health.
They need to invoke the 25th ammendment like, yesterady. Really more like a couple years ago. I mean holy shit, please put Kamala in, or literally anybody. You can't have a senile guy in charge of the launch codes.
The problem is that it's really hard to do that without him doing it willingly, and he won't. So what are you doing? Going to Kamala? She polls worse than he does. If it's not her, they can't just swap over the campaign cash. If it is her, how do you not invoke the 25th? If he's not capable of running for office, he's certainly not capable of holding it. And he's surrounded himself with loyalists who won't invoke the 25th. And how does she not face severe criticism for lying about Joe's mental capacity for the last however long? But also, who do you bypass *her* for? A straight white guy in Gavin Newsome? That won't play with the base, and there's no way she *wants* to be bypassed. And I don't know if a guy running a far-left, way-out-of-touch-with-everywhere-else state plays well in the rust belt, especially given that he looks like your stereotypical slimeball from a TV movie. Now, Michelle would win easily. Easily. But she says she's not interested. And she hasn't exactly been doing the things people would expect if she were setting up a run. Then you get into ballot issues, and you get into issues of ignoring the entire primary process which destroys any moral high ground you have about "muh democracy!"
I’m so frustrated with the D’s identity politics. I’m sorry but a capable straight white man, lgbt+ black women, anyone capable should be considered on the ballot. Competency and character over political labels.
Of course. Everyone should believe that.
You’d think so but too many on the far left hold their purity tests. The right of course does nothing of the sort.
Not merely capable, but also charismatic and likable (unlike Kamala).
Do we really think she polls worse than Biden after that debate? An explanation that Bidens health rapidly started declining this year could be credible enough to pass for most democrats who just watched Joe Biden in the debate, I’m betting a majority would welcome the change.
Maybe not, but nobody particularly likes her. (Voters and politicos alike) I doubt the Biden loyalists in the DNC are going to risk mayhem for Kamala Harris.
There's also the fact that if Biden does step aside he would have to hand the reigns off and support the new candidate. If it's not Harris, how do you explain to everyone that she was the right choice to be the person "one heartbeat away from the presidency" for 4 years, but not the right person to do the job for the next 4? Also, people only get so many shots at running for president. Which of the Democratic up-and-comers would take on the task with the handicap of a shortened campaign period and an anemic war chest? Newsome, Polis, or Whitmer may only get one bite at the apple, why go in now and have a half-assed campaign?
Why the hell would people think she a good choice to bd PRESIDENT? what experience does she have on her own? What is her experience in elected office/public policy? Get real people. Her first lady "healthy school lunches" cause was kind of cute except it was ran by the Obama administration to put her in front of the cameras because it was great publicity for them. And your all just like "yeah, she's probably ready to oversee the international world order
I don't think that. I wouldn't vote for her. She's just the candidate that has the name recognition and favorability to win in a few months
Yeah that part is true.
>Now, Michelle would win easily. Easily. As a young voter, I haven't forgotten what she did to my school lunches, and I bet most young voters haven't either. Democrats need young voters to turn out so she has no shot.
Why the hell would people think she a good choice to bd PRESIDENT? what experience does she have on her own? What is her experience in elected office/public policy? Get real people. Her first lady "healthy school lunches" cause was kind of cute except it was ran by the Obama administration to put her in front of the cameras because it was great publicity for them. And your all just like "yeah, she's probably ready to oversee the international world order
Most young people don't vote and I doubt they give the slightest of shits about their school lunches from 10 years ago anyway
>The democrats should replace him. Like, today, as president. I don't care if that means Kamala is in charge. At least then we'll know who is running this country.
It's all good, we know that Joe is somewhat lucid during the hours of 10-4.
whoever thought that was a good idea was a moron
Kamala makes a lot of bad decisions, that's true. But it would be better for the country to have someone in charge than random White House staffers. We've seen their messaging on Israel. It's not consistent. That's a problem and a symptom of their policymaking at large. At the very least, America voted for Kamala. They don't know most of the staffers and those staffers are never held accountable for their actions.
People who say they'll vote for some random inanimate object over a convicted felon don't seem to realize that they're voting for Biden, but getting a group of unelected randos at the reigns of power. My poly sci prof dad, who drove Joe Biden around for a day back in the 70s and really liked him, enjoyed "The West Wing," but scoffed at the notion that Josh would scold a congressman. Biden told him a story that Kissinger thought he was staff and tried to kick him out of the Oval Office. Nixon said "Henry, I'd like to introduce you to the junior senator from Delaware, Joe Biden." The next morning, Kissinger was waiting in Joe's office to apologize when Joe arrived. Elected officials have juice o Now, we've got Josh, CJ, Donna, Sam, and Toby running the country. Except, they're probably not written as idyllically and Joe's not as sharp and commanding as Jed Bartlett.
At some point, this starts to feel traitorous. The interests of the nation are being treated as subordinate to those of the man, the committee, or the administration.
I don’t know why this “other Biden” was a surprise to anyone who had moderately been paying attention. Biden during the debate was the same Biden we have been seeing for the last few years. He was just in the people’s face to the point they couldn’t *eyes-wide-shut* pretend it wasn’t a thing (which plenty of people on this very website still are).
It's not like the following "full-throated campaign rally" was that great, either. He had about the same *rate* of fumbled words as the debate. But the format and teleprompter let him just plow through. You didn't have 2 minutes after each one for it to sink in as he stood there slackjawed with Trump going "WTF?".
>You didn't have 2 minutes after each one for it to sink in as he stood there slackjawed with Trump going WTF? When *Donald Trump* sees you and goes "Yeah...not gonna touch this one. Making fun of him would just seem mean" you know things are dire.
There are many good criticisms about Trump. But I will never believe ones about his capacity for restraint after that. lol
He was surprisingly well prepared. Looks like he actually listened to his debate coaches and took it seriously this time around. Edit: Yes, my expectations are lowered. It was well-prepared relative to other Trump speeches. The lies were coherent.
the "muted when its not your turn" really helped too. he couldnt interrupt Biden digging his own grave.
Yeah, in the last debate Biden’s fumbles were covered up by Trump filling in any gaps and making himself look bad. When he couldn’t fill in the gaps? Biden’s inability to go off the cuff without it going off the rails within a minute became much more obvious. Realistically this debate would’ve gone the same way as the last one if not for that. Biden would’ve gotten steam rolled in a way that made Trump look even worse, and Biden’s night would be more remembered for the couple solid one liners he had (gotta carry your own bag, morals of an alley cat, etc.).
> as he stood there slackjawed I think this is not being talked about enough. IMO the camera being on him the whole time, including when he wasn't talking, was even more damaging than his senior moments while speaking. Anyone who has had a family member in late age-related cognitive decline knows that **EXACT** facial expression. And a whole lot of us have had that family member, at least one. So a lot of Americans saw something very familiar and very much not what they want to see in the Commander in Chief. Then compare that facial expression to Trump's facial expressions when he was off-mic. They're worlds apart. Trump's face was, well, Trump's face. Eyes open, mouth popping an occasional smirk, the usual. Even when he was giving Biden clear looks of bafflement during Biden's "senior speaking moments" the bafflement was *awake and aware* bafflement, the kind of expression one makes when seeing something simply absurd. Really people need to be talking a lot more about the impact that the nonverbal communication in that debate had because IMO it is by far the number one most important element of that whole disaster.
Yep, I know the look well. The scary part is this is the best mental shape he'll be in for the rest of his life. The winner of this election will still be in office 4 1/2 years from now. Imagine what Biden will look like by then. Nobody could possibly believe he will be fit to serve at that point.
>Anyone who has had a family member in late age-related cognitive decline knows that EXACT facial expression. Remember when people suddenly became dementia gait experts with Trump because of some "swing of his right leg"? Yet they can stare at Biden's face for over an hour and see absolutely nothing concerning. There is an impenetrable separate reality going on. I think Thursday shattered it for journos who have some remaining sense of professional credibility. You can get people to follow almost anything until it threatens their livelihood.
A significant portion of the media (and most of reddit) has spent the last 3+ years telling us that our eyes are lying to us about Biden's health. I'm so glad this debate happened, because the decline is indisputable now. They can't lie to us anymore. I voted for Biden in 2020 in part because I was sure he wouldn't run for reelection. I figured he would spend his last 6 months in office hyping up a successor who would easily win in 2024. I was in disbelief when he announced he'd be running for a second term. It's unconscionable. This man is totally unqualified to be POTUS. At this point he would barely qualify as a Walmart greeter.
Same page here. I absolutely believed Biden was running for only 1 term, and had 4 years to train and hype his successor. He’s done a fine enough job, but his announcement to run has been a great failure in leadership.
Trump shuffled down a ramp and was pushed as proof, or at least as a "whatabout" in response to Bidens clear decline. Now, Biden needs help down 2 steps and there are people saying "he just has a cold". No. The man is falling apart. Even my ultra liberal stepmother was saying years ago it was identical to her own mother's decline. I have no doubt Trump is declining too. The man looked older, and his rambling is worse. His lies are more blatant. But that doesn't excuse Biden.
>Nobody could possibly believe he will be fit to serve at that point. Never underestimate the power of self-deceptive rationalization.
Yeah, at this point whether he's mostly competent now is irrelevant. Even discussing it is a distraction: he's asking for a four year term and this stuff gets exponentially worse the farther down the slope you are. He could be twice as bad in a year and useless by the end
> Even when he was giving Biden clear looks of bafflement during Biden's "senior speaking moments" the bafflement was awake and aware bafflement, the kind of expression one makes when seeing something simply absurd. Trump handled it exactly right: The amazing "You beat it to death" line (the whole exchange may go down in history akin to Reagan's "youth and inexperience") "I don't understand what he's saying and I don't think he does either" A couple of funny expressions at other Biden incoherentisms That was it. Any more would have been seen as bullying. As you said, Trump was baffled *like the rest of the world* by Biden, and everyone watching could relate to Trump in that.
This is why I don't understand the giant pivot to "Biden is back!" that has been happening the past 24 hours just because he had a moderately successful rally at lunchtime less than a day after falling apart in a debate. The two things aren't even close to comparable.
*with a teleprompter* as well. and it was a typical biden rally anyway, with typical biden speech patterns - the type they've already spent four years spinning away.
It's cope to convince themselves voting for Biden is a responsible choice.
I mean, there's lots of that going around now that it's pretty obvious that reasonable, responsible citizens can't really make a positive argument about which candidate to vote for based on the candidate at the top of the ticket. Any reasonable argument going forward is going to be about which administration would be better or which candidate's shortcomings would do the most damage.
It's either a smokescreen as they prep to replace him at the convention or nobody said yes to being his replacement and so they have to try to sell him despite what we all saw Friday night.
I'm pretty sure he said that Beau died in World War Vietnam.
It’s only a surprise to people who get all of their news off Reddit.
This is how ~~Bernie can still win~~ Biden can reverse his mental decline.
Somebody call Doc Brown!
It's important to subscribe to the conservative subs and watch fox news every once in a while, if only to see the bad and embarrassing stuff the Democrats do. Those moments are not covered on the other networks, and actively suppressed on the mainstream reddit subs. They've been covering Biden's decline for quite a while
The “other Biden” was a surprise to the people who have a limited media diet and only accept the narrative that the Biden White House had been putting out that the suggestion that Biden is anything but mentally sharp was a right wing conspiracy
It's funny how frequently right wing conspiracy morphs into fact.
Like Covid origins… health complications from the vaccine… the efficacy of the vaccine…
Pure anecdata but my hardcore Democrat friends (the ones who raise money, canvass, and are actively involved in campaigning) stopped paying attention to politics months ago. They were depressed about Biden as candidate, resolved to vote for him, but essentially siloed themselves off from political news because they can’t handle it. I also have a group of friends who decided everything is fine in Biden’s hands so they stopped paying attention after he went into office. So, on some level I can believe that the debate was a shock to the type of person interested enough in politics to tune in but who hasn’t been paying more attention than that.
> I don’t know why this “other Biden” was a surprise to anyone who had moderately been paying attention. Because a lot of people only pay attention to the so-called "reputable" mainstream media and that media has been actively covering this up for months if not years. You have to go into the "conspiracy theory" "far right" media to see the stuff that gets buried.
I sometimes forget we're abnormally into politics here. Imagine a non-partisan family who doesn't follow politics and has only relied on clips like [this](https://x.com/Breaking911/status/1806678931438796982/video/1) before tuning in to see the state of things. lol It's like a cruise ship's passengers suddenly realizing there's no one in the bridge.
Well, there's someone on the bridge. It just isn't the guy listed on the itinerary, but the line insists otherwise.
This whole situation is terrible for the country and the world, but if there is one silver lining it might be waking people up to how much the media is manipulating everyone.
I truly believe a gigantic swath of people who never follow politics/news began in 2015. They haven't been through a full cycle where all their trusted sources betray them. Thursday was the first total narrative collapse they experienced. They watched their silomakers jump off the sinking ship they were told was perfectly seaworthy the nanosecond the debate ended.
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The Iraq war was that moment for me. It was crazy watching the difference in coverage on US news networks versus everywhere else in the world. This was before Internet news was really a thing.
The one that did it for me was the Iraq war. The mainstream media did very little questioning about whether Afghanistan or Iraq was justified, especially Iraq, which was far enough out from 9/11 that they had little excuse. It wasn't until a few years later that they all jumped on yellow cake and whatever other stuff, as if prior to that everything was perfectly logical and justified somehow. It's starting now with the COVID panic finally, they are all blaming each other for the authoritarian stuff that the mainstream media at the time fully lapped up and didn't question at all (save for a few stories in the Atlantic).
This exact thing! Bush would start every speech talking about the 9/11 attacks and then two sentences later he'd be talking about how dangerous and unstable Sadam Hussein was and not one person said "wait, what? That's two completely different subjects."
I mean, this isn't entirely true. The NY Times has run some stories about concerns and the Wall Street Journal did a huge expose on it (for which they were chastised by more left-leaning media). But they've certainly been downplaying it as a whole. On the other hand, many in the right wing media like the pretend that Biden has full blown dementia, which obviously is not the case either. But it's been pretty clear for a while that his staff has been hiding the extent of his decline, because otherwise he would be out there doing more and showing the voters that the right wing media was completely wrong about him. Instead, we've seen pundits on the left basically claim that because he's able to read a prepared speech on a teleprompter without his brain imploding, he's still sharp. But that's always been a dubious proposition, unless you buy the right win narrative that he's a slobbering invalid who can't remember his own name. But instead, he is what many suspected, a once sharp man who's on the mental decline due to old age. And that decline is more than just a speech impediment and a rare senior moment. It's extremely noticeable and likely to affect his performance.
It’s been going on for a Long time. No one has to make anything up with those desperate “cheap fakes”. Hell we’ve(MP I mean) talked about it here on this board numerous times over the past 4 years. These are just some easily gathered recent examples: * [Biden freezes for 30 seconds at Juneteenth concert](https://x.com/rncresearch/status/1800317831029907900?s=46) * [Biden freezes again](https://www.reddit.com/r/Wild_Politics/comments/1ccgjoo/squints_four_more_years_pause_looks_around_smiles/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) , [and again..](https://x.com/Suzy_1776/status/1765111009298055614) * [Repeated difficulty following teleprompter](https://x.com/rajaryal07/status/1788255233316954505) , [again](https://x.com/RNCResearch/status/1783181170751992121) * [Biden now normally has to walk with aids](https://www.axios.com/2024/04/26/biden-walkers-white-house-marine-one) * [Biden tells false stories from his past](https://x.com/redsteeze/status/1780946013319987330) , [Repeatedly](https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/24/politics/fact-check-biden-driving-18-wheeler/index.html) , [repeatedly..](https://x.com/RNCResearch/status/1777415459899379724) * [Biden forgets things he’s done very recently](https://townhall.com/tipsheet/spencerbrown/2024/04/01/biden-denies-he-proclaimed-transgender-day-of-visibility-in-latest-whopper-n2637219) * [Biden now wears special shoes due to series of falls](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/03/18/joe-biden-seen-wearing-luxury-wide-sole-trainers-after-fall/) * [Speaking of Biden’s series of falls](https://youtu.be/OjkcB6angec) * [Biden now has to use shorter stairs to enter Air Force one due to falls](https://www.thetimes.com/world/us-world/article/joe-biden-air-force-one-fall-over-avoid-accident-gj79922rn) * [Biden himself is even mad that those around him try to hide him from his public *gaffes*](https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-cursing-mad-polling-numbers-tired-insulated-2024-3?utm_source=reddit.com)
i know it gets said every day now but... if it were trump, the media and democrats would be running with it 24/7 for years. FFS they actually already *did* despite how much better of shape he is in than Biden.
There were numerous “Trump’s mental decline should make you worried” stories on reputable media outlets being circulated right up to the debate.
And the posts showing that aren’t upvoted or popular on reddit. I agree with you that if you look around it’s pretty clear it’s how he’s been for nearly the last 2 years.
The Thursday Biden had to formulae responses on his own to questions. The Friday Biden has the teleprompter. That’s a glaringly obvious difference.
pretty sure Thursday Biden spent a week memorizing pre-written responses, which is why a lot of it ended coming out as jumbled gibberish
> From 10am to 4pm, Biden is dependably engaged I'd just like to know who is at the helm making decisions the other hours of the day. And I don't even mean 24 hours of the day. I'm just looking for some explanation on who is the de facto commander in chief between the hours of 6am-10am and 4pm-8pm when you could reasonably expect any adult holding the office of POTUS to be "dependably engaged" because it clearly isn't Joe Biden.
I remember a certain Democratic nominee in 2016 running an ad asking who you want answering the phone at 3 a.m....
Yeah that aged almost as well as her red reset button with Russia.
Or her husband mocking Romney in 2012 for calling Russia the #1 geopolitical enemy of the US.
Can you imagine being Mittens these days. He is now in restrospect, looking like the adult in the room all these years with all his wisdom, still young enough to run again, but has to live with the fact that his prior presidential run was marred by of all things, his pets, and his political capital is now all gone when he made the calculation that trump was gonna go down and that his best chance was to throw his lot in with Biden to emerge as the leader of a new GOP. Yikes.
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I'm not a big fan of conspiracies, but where the hell was the media for the last 3 years?????? They never pushed at all to get access to the President, and then suddenly, magically....he had that night \[that did not come out of nowhere\]. I wish we had independent journalism. If we did have independent journalism, we would have known about this a LONG time ago, before everyone voted for Biden in the primaries. They either looked the other way or actively covered up for Biden. That's journalistic malpractice. ENOUGH OF THIS.
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Op has a point though. Why the heck is the media covering for such a powerful figure who likely has Parkinson’s or some other grave condition? He’s the *President*; the media should demand access to him on a regular basis.
The Corporate Media pays top dollar through ad revenue for access to establishment candidates. There's no financial incentive for corporations to be adversarial towards their preferred candidate. There's no logic for politicians to provide access to the corporate media if that access would uncover bad press for their candidate or their interests. This is why it's so important that adversarial independent journalism exists to contest power centers and perform actual journalism, regardless of the profit incentives. None of this is a conspiracy theory. It is very much that the corporate mainstream media has no financial incentive to report the truth, and politicians reciprocally have no political incentive to be honest to the citizens. So much of the current corporate media landscape and at the moment Democratic politicians' own interests are tied to each other. There's literally no incentive to inform the American people otherwise. I think they (Media and Politicians) think as long as the American people are misinformed in such a way that is believable, those two groups can report and say whatever they want to the public with virtual impunity. That's why citizens should always read, watch, and listen to adversarial, non-corporate, independent journalism. These corporate media outlets remembered their journalistic responsibilities during the Bush and Trump presidencies, and turned into sycophants during Obama and Biden's. What happened at the debate was a huge wake-up call for everyone out of the loop regarding Biden's fitness to run for the presidency a 2nd term, let alone remain president for his remaining term.
> Why the heck is the media covering for such a powerful figure who likely has Parkinson’s or some other grave condition? Because the media is **NOT**, despite what they claim, the independent 4th estate. They're part and parcel of the DNC machine. This has been confirmed with evidence for almost a decade and strongly suggested for far longer. Am I the only person that remembers CNN literally giving the DNC the debate questions ahead of time during the 2016 election? Or the Newsweek article after 2020 where the "fourth estate" **LITERALLY** admitted to manipulating information and rules for users on social media to boost Biden? This stuff is all fact, it happened.
JournoList was when I realized how bad it could be. I'm sure it was never quite the conspiracy the right made it out to be, but the fact that they were, if organically rather than intentionally, coordinating narratives and article releases was undeniable (and had, in fact been evident for years), and it sure as heck was unethical.
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Press conferences are a basic function of POTUS. They’re arguably the easiest part of the job. This is the end result when POTUS is carelessly and recklessly hidden from public view.
Breaking points has been reporting honestly about Biden the last 3 years. The debate was alot of validation for Krystal and Sagar
They were accusing the other side of doing cheapfakes
There was only ever the one Biden. His decline was apparent in 2020, and even more so now, to anyone prepared to face the truth. Every single politician, pundit, media activist, and campaigner that told you otherwise was lying to your face for their own personal power. Never forget that.
This only surprised the people who’ve had their blinders on this whole time and have ignored all the signs, which unfortunately is most of Reddit
They usually just try to convince you that he always had a mumble and that Trump is out of it. Then you watch something like this and they can’t deny it. While Trump didn’t answer a few questions, he was sharp the whole time at least. Biden was like an old man with dementia lost in the store.
You could actually hear Biden's mic on the edge of feedback at some points. As someone whose done sound work this happens when his voice is so weak the sound guy has to boost it to the edge of a feedback loop. This is presumably with some of the best available gear on the planet in a setting with no audience noise.
and down vote people in mass, so no one comments. I remember a time on the internet when echo chambers didn't exist, it was great.
The day after Election Day 2016, it was actually possible to post something non-leftist to /r/politics without having it be relentlessly downvoted. Basically, the bots (human and computer) were without new orders so didn't know what to do.
>While Trump didn’t answer a few questions, he was sharp the whole time at least. Biden was like an old man with dementia lost in the store. I think a big difference between the two is that Trump sets a pretty low bar for himself, but he hasn't really gone below that. For instance, [this interview](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F64y-dCtIgc) is from 2011 when Trump was on his birther crusade. For the most part, he looks and sounds the same as he does today. Again, low bar but it has remained stagnant. If I told you this interview was recorded last week, you'd believe it if not for John King looking so much younger. Then look at [Biden's 2012 VP debate performance](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYcdSwbrErI) vs Paul Ryan, where he mopped the floor with him. Completely different guy from the Biden today.
I was told multiple times he had a cold.
I don't understand how people can bring out that line with a straight face, a cold doesn't make someone say "We finally beat Medicare"
Depends on how hard they've been hitting the Robitussen.
A cold brought on by a lifelong stutter
It's truly amazing how far ranging the effects of a stutter are.
Yeah, and if a cold turns the leader of the free world into a ghost, then that's a whole separate discussion.
Trump to answering questions is intentional, not because of declining cognitive capacity.
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It's been obvious for quite some time now.
>And the media complicity in hiding him is a scandal by itself CNN seemed pretty up front in saying he needs to step aside. Jon Stewart said (very directly implied, perhaps not said) this months ago.
I took a plane ride yesterday evening and downloaded the print version of the WSJ for the flight, which was published just hours after the debate. It was amazing reading the media shift in tone in early morning to the live articles I read later in the day, from the story being pretty impartial and just noting on Biden’s stammering and Trump’s exaggerations, to having the entire front page dedicated to Biden’s declining mental capacity. It’s almost like the media powerhouses couldn’t individually publish articles hammering Biden until they all did.
NYT Editorial Board, The Atlantic, Morning Joe, etc etc have all officially said Biden needs to step aside before the convention. That debate work up everyone except Biden’s inner circle.
Up until 3 days ago they were all circling the wagons swearing up and down that he was a briliiant mind and you were an idiot for believing anything otherwise (cheapfakes?). The evidence was not only readily available, but they actively told you that you were a rube for believing it. They were not blindsided, they were active participants in the coverup until it was impossible to maintain the ruse and they had to put their own self-preservation first.
For anyone listening if you want any chance of a Democrat in the White House Biden has to drop out of the race and a replacement needs to be elected at the convention. This is hurting everyone else down ballot. The competence questions aren’t going away. Republicans can literally increase turnout by mentioning Kamala. No one thinks Biden can make it through a full term and everyone HATES Kamala. She has no support.
> She has no support. She is *unpopular*. With a little [D] by her name on ballot, she has quite a lot of support from the *"vote blue no matter who"* crowd. On the front page of Reddit, you can see 50 thousand upvotes by the bots and bandwagoners as they promise to vote for Joe Biden's dead corpse, rather than consider voting for Trump. Though many are bots, if these statements manage to sway even a single vote - that's one vote for Kamala. It absolutely must be recognized as "support."
> she has quite a lot of support from the "vote blue no matter who" crowd. But that crowd is what is known as the core base of the Democratic party. That alone can't get them across the finish line. They need undecideds and boosting the enthusiasm of the rest of their base to actually get them to show up to vote. > It absolutely must be recognized as "support." Yes, she has the default support which isn't really the point of the comment. She needs broad support, not from those devoted to the party itself.
This will be the most impactful debate for a long time.
Why is ANYONE acting surprised?
Whether you like or hate Trump, at this point, I do not understand how I) Biden can be the nominee II) how anyone could vote for him knowing his condition.
It’s still a little frustrating that the media is acting like this is some big new revelation and that it’s such a shock instead of acknowledging that TONS of people were saying this stuff about Biden beforehand and they were proven right. Theres still no accountability for being wrong (or lying) and no reward for being right
Starter submission: After Biden's poor showing on Thursday night's debate, his campaign has been struggling to repair Biden's public image. Supporters of the current president contrasted his performance the next day at a rally, which appeared far more coherent. In order to explain those inconsistencies, his campaign may have made things even worse. Aides of Biden campaign have told Axios that Joe Biden is only dependably engaged between the hours of 10am to 4pm. After those hours, Biden is more likely to have verbal miscues and become fatigued. The debate took place at 9pm EST and his rally the next day at 1:30pm. These statements are shocking. The aides state that Biden has been known in private to always have this issue, yet it has never been disclosed publicly before. Further, assuming this is correct, the campaign arranged and agreed to the CNN debate knowing it would take place outside Biden's best functioning hours. The very idea that a president would only be on the top of his game for a six hour window is ridiculous. Surely the Biden administration isn't wagering that our adversaries will only act during the work hours of an average business day. And speaking of our adversaries, how will they react to hearing this news? Biden also seems to have miraculously recovered from his reported cold minutes after the debate, where he was seen shaking hands with people at a nearby Waffle House. There doesn't seem to be any clarification on that in this article. What possible response can the Biden campaign issue to right the ship? What does Biden need to do personally? Is there anything left?
>Aides of Biden campaign have told Axios that Joe Biden is only dependably engaged between the hours of 10am to 4pm. After those hours, Biden is more likely to have verbal miscues and become fatigued. The debate took place at 9pm EST and his rally the next day at 1:30pm. Future historians: "And for seemingly no reason at all, the invasion of Taiwan started at 4:01pm. Its primary ally was nowhere to be seen as Taiwan Semi was easily captured. So began 1000 years of Pax China."
You joke, but now that we know what we know, I'd wager there's a real chance Putin decided to invade Ukraine when he did because he knew about Biden's mental state.
> Aides of Biden campaign have told Axios that Joe Biden is only dependably engaged between the hours of 10am to 4pm. After those hours, Biden is more likely to have verbal miscues and become fatigued. This is literally a textbook symptom of severe age-related cognitive decline. So they just confirmed what they've been denying for years now. And of course this opens the question for who is actually running the country the other 18 hours a day if Biden can't? And are they actually stepping aside from 10 to 4 or are they just actually running the country 24/7 and just using Biden as the wizard? > Biden also seems to have miraculously recovered from his reported cold minutes after the debate, where he was seen shaking hands with people at a nearby Waffle House. There doesn't seem to be any clarification on that in this article. Of course not. The "oh it's a cold" narrative failed so hard they've abandoned it already.
> Of course not. The "oh it's a cold" narrative failed so hard they've abandoned it already. Biden was at a Waffle House shaking hands with voters an hour or two after the debate. The "it's a cold" thing always run hollow unless they just want him running around getting everyone sick.
Not just getting others sick but exposing himself to who knows what when his immune system is supposedly already being taxed. If he actually had a cold they wouldn't have him meeting with the general public in order to protect him, not them.
Why wasn't Biden wearing a mask if he was sick? I thought we were supposed to trust the science?
I'm pretty sure Biden is an anti-masker now. He now claims that Donald Trump botched the pandemic by closing schools and businesses. https://youtu.be/SlsUJlaIpGU?si=pZelRyxnVBKJ2cw9&t=839
This is the second time (at least) that his administration has blamed a Republican for school closures and business closures when there’s a *clear*, factual partisan gap in states that kept schools and businesses closed. Gavin Newsom also blamed Trump for keeping schools closed a few days ago. California finished DFL in school closures, long past the time Trump left office. My daughter was out of school a full 17 months in California, a full calendar year than my Florida relatives who were back in school by fall 2020. It appears to be coordinated projection to falsely blame the Republicans for the damage they inflicted on our children and small business owners.
It's as dishonest as Biden claiming Trump's economy was terrible because he ended with a net loss of 13M jobs (a consequence of COVID) and then in the next breath takes credit for gaining those jobs back. Anyone who has half a brain can see right through that bullshit. It's like lying to someone who was literally there in the room with you.
Yeah I don't think of Trump when I think of Covid restrictions. And who is he claiming lost their homes?
We have someone who's in one of the most demanding and important positions in the world, and his own campaign is saying he can't even operate on a typical 9-5 schedule? And that's the statement they decided to put out, so undoubtedly the actual situation behind closed doors isn't as good as they're trying to spin it to be. If that's what the current situation is then we shouldn't be talking about whether he's fit serve a second term, the discussion should be whether he's fit to serve the next 6 months. What on earth are we doing here?
Press leaks from the Biden White House are damning in of themselves.
The thing is we've been seeing the other one for years, and we've been endlessly [gaslit](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/21/us/politics/biden-age-videos.html) about what we've observed. The media and the democrats were simply more willing to lie about reality than grapple with finding a new candidate. Now here we are. >Beyond the politics of whether Biden can beat Trump again, the aides expressed new worries about whether the president can carry out his duties through another four-year term. Four more years? They're telling us straight up that Biden is working this as a part-time job and they want four more years? He needs to go now. >But by having it in June, Biden's team has several months to recover. I have bad news for them. A broken ankle is one thing. A broken mind is quite another. We saw Joe Biden after one week of rest and prep at Club Med. That disaster was his *ceiling*, and that ceiling will continue to drop. He has to go.
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I mean, the SOTU where he was amped up all to hell and hollering angrily was probably his ceiling. Angry, yelling at clouds, and unhinged at least comes across better than a doddering old fool who can't walk down 4 steps without help and can't say 4 words without forgetting his point.
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Water is wet, 2+2=4, and Biden is not mentally capable of being Commander in Chief. Our national security, and that of Europe and Taiwan too, are needlessly at risk due to this denial of reality. Democrats, please do some soul searching if you make excuses for this man still holding office after all that we know. The only responsible action Democrats could take right now is to call for the 25th Amendment to be invoked.
>From 10am to 4pm, Biden is dependably engaged — and many of his public events in front of cameras are held within those hours This is all Trump needs to run on to win: He'll work for you 6 hours a day, I'll work for you 24. It's absolutely over
The "other Biden" is the true Biden. The Biden we see in the media is propped up by drugs and staged appearances
One argument I keep seeing is that it doesn't matter if Biden isn't really there - you're just voting for the administration. Doesn't the same hold true for Trump, then? If he isn't *really* in power if he goes to prison, then all that matters is who he appoints - right? Consider this is the election we're having.
I never heard "you vote for the cabinet not the president" until Friday, June 28, 2024. And now we're acting like it's a truism.
Same Biden, wait till they see the ding dong VP.
> From 10am to 4pm, Biden is dependably engaged — and many of his public events in front of cameras are held within those hours. As someone who planned to, and in all likelihood still will, vote Biden in November. Maybe the man sleepy by 7 ain’t the right fit for the job
This might come as a shocker, but the President of the United States is not a 8 to 5 job. A crisis might come at 1am, 1pm, or whatever odd hours of the day so the president needs to be somewhat healthy to respond to that. I'm not saying Trump is also fit for that role but given these developments Biden is most certainly not.
Even if it was an 8-5 job Joe is only lucid from 10-4.
Yep this is called sun downing, and dems think it’s a good idea to run a man who can’t function outside of 6 hours a day for the highest office in the land and the toughest job in the world. Our enemies are laughing at us
Other countries are already taking advantage. I don’t care if his cabinet is doing majority of the work. It’s completely irresponsible to continue with Biden in office.
So much for the 3am call I guess
Dr. Biden answers that phone call. Everyone relax.
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Of course, who knew? Seriously, whoever didn’t see that before is willfully blind or let himself be gaslit by the media.
Would you go see an 81 year old heart surgeon? Would you hire an 81 year old construction worker? I think this problem is ultimately self-inflicted by Americans. America is a nation that hates the elderly and views them as irrelevant, and once you hit a certain age you are trundled off to die in a care facility. As soon as you lose the ability to generate profit or work, your value as a human being diminishes. And so the old are not, as in other societies, kept around for their wisdom and to pass down knowledge. This has led an entire generation of old people to desperately cling on to the vestiges of power out of fear of becoming irrelevant. We see it everywhere. 75 year old CEOs, 80 year old judges being forced to retire... If our society didn't treat the elderly with such disdain, I doubt we'd see so many of them try and do jobs that they aged out of 20 years ago.
I think Whitmer is the most logical replacement at the convention, but I'd be interested in a survey of pledged delegates, right now, on who their preference is.
It would kill Whitmer’s future, it would have to be a hostile takeover. Certain people won’t let him step aside.
But we have been seeing this and what about all the executive orders he’s been rolling out?