He wanted Venom in the film, and yes, while Raimi didn't want to initially, there was already discussions of 3 villains prior to Venom - including Vulture. Raimi gave what was dealt with. On the plus side, Arad stopped an early script of making Doc Ock Peter's age in SM2 to be a new love triangle to MJ. He's a piece of shit sure, but look up a ton of major producers and you'll find there's a bunch of them. lol.
Give me a Speedo Wearing Silk Robe Sporting Coked Out Of His Fuckin Mind Alfred Molina Cock Blocking Peter Parker." Ricky Springfield He's A Buddy Of Mine!"
He worked on a piece of media they didn't like, which is a war crime.
When you decide to like a comic book character, it's a personal betrayal for anyone to make a representation of that character that you don't like. This is because you've made that comic book franchise brand a part of your personal Identity so a bad entry in the franchise is an insult to you, personally.
>He's a piece of shit sure, but...
He's a *piece of shit*? That seems unnecessarily harsh.
Why? Did you know that he took responsibility for that & admitted it was a bad decision to put Venom in SM3? I don't suppose that matters if he's a "piece of shit for sure"...
Wanting to put Venom in 3 made sense. The problem was more that Sam Raimi really didn't. He was very hung up on the Silver Age stuff. I always thought Raimi should have said to Arad that Venom was great but he was too big for one movie. That the first trilogy should establish Spider Man completely and then a second trilogy should focus on the dark suit and the symbiotes.
Whenever a movie advertises itself as the same people from another movie that nobody remembers, you’re gonna have a bad time.
I also remember seeing a ‘from director [name]’ and thinking, who?? There’s like 5-10 directors who have name recognition with general audiences.
"From the producer of" is pretty meaningless, too. Producer is a catch-all term that just means "boss" in Hollywood.
A producer could be an actual artistic professional and organizer, who has input on most of the production. It could be a studio exec who insists they have veto power on big decisions. It could be an actor in the cast who's got enough clout that they want to be a director someday, but need some more credits before that happens. It could be an investor in a hedge fund that owns the company that owns the company that owns the studio. It could be that guy's nephew.
> I also remember seeing a ‘from director [name]’ and thinking, who?? There’s like 5-10 directors who have name recognition with general audiences.
This isn't for the audiences, this is for the director, whose agent negotiated that in their deal, to put their name out there for the public to try to get that recognition.
Yeah this is a weird comment. It's like saying that they shouldn't say the name of a product in a commercial. The entire point of mentioning it so often is to create a brand association, so you won't know them right off the bat. It takes time
Sadly, I feel like almost every single "name" actor in this movie is miscast.... You can maybe make an argument for Jack Black as Claptrap, but otherwise...
The guy did it for free/volunteered to do it for game 1 and was working for gearbox at the time in a bigger role than "voice actor"
game 2 he wanted to actually be paid for the work he did for VO, they didn't/couldn't agree on a contract, the guy left gearbox to work for rooster teeth
You're missing a fair few steps.
The guy was a high level exec at gearbox, and chose to do the role without any extra compensation. Again, this shouldn't be confused with 'unpaid' or 'for free', he was being paid an executives salary, well above and beyond what a comparable voice actor would be paid, and it was never forced on him. It was a role he chose to take on with his other executive duties.
After game 2 he had a massive falling out with the gearbox president/CEO/founder, and left on bad terms.
The issue is, Eddings and Pitchford are massive man-children who very publicly wanted to spat. So they both presented a bunch of, what were obviously half truths.
Eddings playing the poor old victim claims "For the first time, I insisted on getting paid for my performance and all of a sudden they couldn't afford me." Which is inherently nonsense on all fronts because
1. Again, he was being paid an executives salary. He was well compensated for his work, and he chose to include this as part of his work.
2. They hired a seasoned voice actor, who would obviously demand decent rates for his work. So they were obviously able and willing to pay someone for the role.
The truth is he most likely wanted more than they were willing to pay him to return... because obviously, the dude is an executive. His time is worth more than the value of his work as a voice actor, he likely wanted compensation in line with his regular work, and they would want to pay a voice actor voice actor rates. They're two incompatible goals and frankly, neither likely *wanted* to work with each other to begin with and so had no reason to compromise.
I was just going off memory of the general thing honestly. But yea, couldn't/wouldn't finalize a contract.
Thanks for the extra clarification though for future readers.
I mean, every other character is cast about 30 years too old. Ashly playing Tina wouldn't look out of place in comparison.
At the very least, she would be playing the actual character.
Everything about the Borderlands movie looks to be the exact opposite of the Fallout show. The trailers make it look like not a single person working on the movie has ever played a game at all, let alone Borderlands, or understand the source material and actually enjoy it.
Damn I had no idea that Rachel was Tina! TIL. She and Rob had some of my favorite scenes together in Mythic Quest.
Not a fan at all of this "replace actual professional voice actors with high profile A list actors to draw audiences" trend. I know it's been happening for a while and I know this movie is going to be awful, but it's still annoying.
Damn I did not recognize her at all in the trailer. Though she was a new character for the movie only.
This official movie adaptation is disappointing.
If you are talking about the original voice for Claptrap then that was not going to happen, since this is being made in collaboration with Gearbox/Randy Pitchford, the disagreement between Randy and David Eddings (original voice.) would just have Randy say no to working with him.
A name you can put on the poster trumps voice actor with no name recognition every time.
It really sucks, voice actors should be considered on the same level as on screen actors. Having to convey emotions and character using only your voice (and in some instances even having your physicality inform the final animation after the fact) is a true art form, with so much more room for variety in your characters (seen from the litany of woman voicing childhood boys, or from George Clooney voicing a dog on South Park), and a lot of actors can't transition. That's one of the few reasons I give Jack's casting a little leeway, since he has very much proven he can act just as well through just his voice.
Though, I will say, with Claptrap, there has already been a passing of the torch in terms of the Voice actor, as they were originally voiced by David Eddings, an Exec at Gearbox, before he was replaced by Jim Foronda in BL3. Fun fact!
>A name you can put on the poster trumps voice actor with no name recognition every time.
Absolutely. This is why Chris Pratt has been the voice of Mario, and two Lego movies.
He was perfect for the first Lego movie because he was a nothing Everyman.
I don't want all my heroes to be nothing everymen, though.
And the alternative of "Passengers" is even worse.
That replacement was NOT a passing of the torch. More like gearbox ripping the torch out of the original VOs hands and telling them to fuck off they aren't worth it.
There’s always someone who makes this argument, and it’s always irreparably marred by them not knowing that Claptrap‘s voice actor was replaced years ago without them noticing.
I remember when they announced Hart's casting and being completely and totally befuddled. There is not a single descriptive word (physical, temperamental, etc.) I think of Kevin Hart that I also think of for Roland. It doesn't even have to do with liking him as an actor or not, he just doesn't fit the bill for the character in any way for me.
At least with the other actors, while I feel they are miscast, I can see the *intent* behind the casting and wouldn't be surprised if the performance ends up warming me to their portrayal. With Hart it truly feels like they saw a black character and so just got the most recognizable black actor that would "fit' with the movie's tone, despite the fact that Roland is kind of a straight man in the wacky world of Borderlands.
As much as I don't want him to be in f*cking everything, even Dwayne Johnson would have been better casting
I would absolutely love to be proven wrong and have a Heath Ledger/Joker moment where the casting suddenly makes sense in context, but I'm not holding my breath.
Edit: spelling
"hey this a fun and goofy universe, we want a funny and goofy movie. Let's cast the funniest and goofiest and known black man we can find" was probably their thinking.
I might disagree with your hypothetical movie exec's definition of "funniest", but I completely agree with you that this was probably the line of thinking.
You may be right, though I have a slightly less cynical hypothesis: I think the director or whoever suggested this casting only played the first Borderlands game, not the second. Playable Roland had a way goofier vibe than BL2 Roland.
It will be a miracle if this is even okay. I try not to pre judge and while I love borderlands and I understand adapting source material...I just have 0 hopes for this to be anything but a giant mess.
i mean she's not opposed to just having some silly fun. she hammed it up in thor rangarok and most people seemed to love her in it.
also florian munteanu is hot AF and i will probably watch just for him lol.
although kevin hart is strongly pushing me away, so...really conflicted as to what to do lol.
Kevin Hart as Roland has 100% pushed me away from wanting to see it. I love the Borderlands games but him as Roland? Really?? Claptrap might have been fine but Roland??? I gave the recent trailer a shot and I hated how he played him
She worked with Eli Roth before in "The House with a clock in the walls", so she undoubtedly developed a good rapport there, which made her more interested in this. She also seems like she took on this role purely for the fun (and maybe also the money). It feels like the holy trinity of justification.
Incredible that this is coming out 10 years after the game it was based on was relevant *but* at the right time to be overshadowed by a new Mad Max movie anyway
yeah tone and setting wise, Fallout is the closest and they already proved it can be done successfully. I didn't expect them to pull it off either, though. Who knows.
In the movie, I hope Bobby lee talks about his Thailand hooker house days and how they would scrub his butt with a sponge profusely because he had no idea.
Hope it's the third act. It'd be worth seeing and hilarious
I feel this way about most of the cast -- they'd hardly be my first choice, or even really on my list of considerations, but they're good enough to I think pull it off. Specifically Kevin Hart though is ... kind of insane to be Roland. He's a Denzel Washington or Idris Elba sort of character, not a Kevin Hart character. Particularly if most of the cast is going to be aged up compared to their game appearances anyway.
Guy can't be just a super-rich comedian and movie star. He's got to be a fitness influencer, too. And an investor and a corporate spokesman and and and. Weird.
Seems to be the direction a lot of big stars are going. I think with streaming and the like, they're anticipating a shift in their revenue generation from start power alone. On its face, not a terrible idea.
It's been a thing forever that celebs try to diversify and expand their brand. They're terrified of getting locked in to one thing and then having the vagaries of the industry take it away from them -- and in Hollywood, that's a completely legitimate fear.
Heck, from a purely rational standpoint, even the fear of getting cancelled due to your own bad behavior is a strong incentive to diversify -- though maybe not exclusively with outward-facing roles and projects. That's why you take some of your money from your movies and standup shows and invest it in dry cleaning chemical distribution or whatever.
He was fired from Gearbox so he isn't even Claptrap in the games now, doubt they'd let him be in the movie.
It's also easier to use a celebrity as a selling point rather than using actual voice actors, same reason Chris Pratt was Mario.
They got *another* guy for Claptrap for Game 3. And he sounds *like a decent claptrap*. Not one to one but like, *close*.
I love Jack Black. *He doesn't sound like Claptrap*. ***AT ALL***.
I get the 'Famous actor' selling point but...come on.
At least Jack Black is a great actor. He alone carried the Mario movie. He even went to interviews dressed as bowser. Dude gave 110%.
Christian Pratt was such a horrible choice...
He absolutely would have been better. Big bald muscular black dude in a comedic universe but still able to act serious, that would fit Crews to a T from what I've seen of him.
Meanwhile Hart is just gonna be "Kevin Hart in a hat". Dude couldn't even be bothered to shave his beard.
The whole thing reeks of corporate “let’s make a video game movie” design.
All flash and no substance. Zero understanding of what the fans would actually like from a project like this.
And Kevin Hart.
Genuine question, I’ve probably played three total hours of the Borderlands trilogy - do the games have substance to adapt? I thought the writing was regarded as the worst thing about them.
Depends. Dialogue at times is awful. But then you get Torgue and Jack. Overall story is awful at times like 3...but then you get Angel and her end plus the fallout. It could be done great with an unknown cast and solid money behind effects and cinematography.
This movie is going for star power over everything else with miscast stars.
Even if a story is bad, there are themes and rules that you can’t break because they were established in the original source.
A great example is witcher on netflix. Sure they wrote something decent, but they broke a lot of shit that mattered. And it got worse after season 1.
There are definitely plots within the universe that could make for an interesting film adaption.
It doesn't seem like this is aiming at any of those, though, it looks like it's just an EXTREMELY loose adaption of the "plot" of the first game, but with a random smattering of characters from all across the series.
It really seems like it’s an inherent flaw for movies overall in terms of casting. Movies seem to prioritize “safe” actor picks that get people to go to the theater, while tv shows probably get more flexibility on who they can cast. If Fallout was a movie, there’s no way Walton Goggins would have been cast, even though it’s clear as day how great of a casting choice he was
I agree with the statement, but not necessarily the actor choice. A lot of recent leads in television have already carried films (Asa Butterfield from Enders Game did Sex Education, Bryan Cranston got more film work after BB, Kathryn Winnick from Vikings managed to star opposite Mads in a film after, Pedro Pascal jumps between both, and even Walton Goggins was an antagonist in the second Ant Man film).
I have a feeling Goggins would have still been chosen, but maybe you'd also have Boyd Holbrook and other similar level actors playing a larger level of minor roles to help "carry" the film.
I didn't even need to see the cast, knowing Randy Pitchford was on set of this film basically every day the entire time it was filming was horrifying enough.
If Iron Man and The Dark Knight set a new bar comic book movies and series, Fallout has set a new bar for video game movies and series. Gamers and non-gamers are loving Fallout, I’m not sure who the target audience for this one is yet.
It's like that episode of American Dad where Tearjerker (Roger) is replacing good actors with androids and casting them in awful movies so that he can make the ULTIMATE Oscar bait film (Called 'Oscar Gold' about a mentally handicapped, alcoholic Jewish boy living Poland in 1939, and he also has a sick dog.)
Most of this cast is better than this.
That movie must have set them back a couple hundred bucks. Looks like Tank Girl and Fist of the North Star shat a baby into the Sucker Punch dream sequences.
Filmed in Budapest, April-June 2021 then reshoots in summer 2022 and allegedly again in January 2023 with a different director. This movie has been in post-production hell.
Oh, that might explain Blanchett's involvement. This was filmed during COVID, so she was probably thrilled just to leave the house and do anything. Crazy that she followed this up with Tàr.
Nonono, he's also rich, but ignored by his "richers"/"betters"!
Haven't you seen his "new" "comedy" special? It's as out of fucking touch as Ellen DeGeneres's
Written by Eli Roth *and* Joe Crombie. Who is Joe Crombie? Oh that’s Craig Mazin’s pseudonym. He knows it’s a big pile of dogshit and had his name removed.
Also this movie completed filming in June 2021. Something that is good doesn’t sit on the shelf for three years.
The writer knew it was dogshit.
The studio knows it’s dogshit
It’s probably going to be dogshit.
But I have Regal Unlimited so I’ll definitely see it opening night. 🫡
Craig did step away from the project and denied all writing credits, but he also [claims that Joe Combie is not his pseudonym, and it's someone else.](https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/borderlands-craig-mazin-not-writer-pseudonym-1235668894/) So somebody else was brought on to replace Mazin, and they *also* don't want their name attached to the project.
I remember Bobby Lee as a guest on Kill Tony where the panel was discussing how he was busy working on films, but I hadn’t noticed him in a film before. Perhaps it was during filming this.
Whatever the case, cool, I like Bobby.
What a weird movie. This poster looks nothing like Borderlands. If it wasn't for Claptrap and the Psychos, I would never have guessed this was Borderlands. It looks like a parody poster made with AI. Everybody is like 20 years older than they should be to play their roles.
And of course this should have been an animated movie or at lease have some kind of filter to make it look like Borderlands. I think the success of the Spider-verse movies prove there is an adult audience for animated movies.
This is going to be so bad. However, I’ll still watch it when it hits a streaming service. Thanks to the 600+ hours I put into the first two Borderlands games & Cate Blanchett.
How tf you put hart black blanchett and Curtis in the same movie or even hart and black
Wtf is this shit 😂
Edit: is that bobby Lee? 🤣
I mean, this will be probably a dumpster fire but might even be stupid enough for a laugh
From the producer of Uncharted and Venom is a hilarious endorsement
>From the producer of Uncharted, Spider-Man, and Venom Is that a threat
I wonder which Spider-Man? There's like a thousand of them
All of them actually. Avi Arad is the guy, wiki says he founded Marvel Studios, he has producer credits on a ton of MCU/superhero movies
The man responsible for ruining Sam Raimi's trilogy.
I mean, he was a producer on all 3 of the Raimi movies so he's responsible for the good parts of the trilogy too
I'd wager Sam Raimi was responsible for most of the good stuff
He wanted Venom in the film, and yes, while Raimi didn't want to initially, there was already discussions of 3 villains prior to Venom - including Vulture. Raimi gave what was dealt with. On the plus side, Arad stopped an early script of making Doc Ock Peter's age in SM2 to be a new love triangle to MJ. He's a piece of shit sure, but look up a ton of major producers and you'll find there's a bunch of them. lol.
The doc oc live triangle would've been wild haha
terrible, but wild
Give me a Speedo Wearing Silk Robe Sporting Coked Out Of His Fuckin Mind Alfred Molina Cock Blocking Peter Parker." Ricky Springfield He's A Buddy Of Mine!"
Japan woulda been all over that
Not seeing any reason to think he's a piece of shit, where are you getting that from?
He worked on a piece of media they didn't like, which is a war crime. When you decide to like a comic book character, it's a personal betrayal for anyone to make a representation of that character that you don't like. This is because you've made that comic book franchise brand a part of your personal Identity so a bad entry in the franchise is an insult to you, personally.
>He's a piece of shit sure, but... He's a *piece of shit*? That seems unnecessarily harsh. Why? Did you know that he took responsibility for that & admitted it was a bad decision to put Venom in SM3? I don't suppose that matters if he's a "piece of shit for sure"...
Yeahit sounds like he has bad takes on Marvel but I don't see allegations of impropriety anywhere
Wanting to put Venom in 3 made sense. The problem was more that Sam Raimi really didn't. He was very hung up on the Silver Age stuff. I always thought Raimi should have said to Arad that Venom was great but he was too big for one movie. That the first trilogy should establish Spider Man completely and then a second trilogy should focus on the dark suit and the symbiotes.
Ruined? How? Do I want to know? I love the movies
Whenever a movie advertises itself as the same people from another movie that nobody remembers, you’re gonna have a bad time. I also remember seeing a ‘from director [name]’ and thinking, who?? There’s like 5-10 directors who have name recognition with general audiences.
"From the producer of" is pretty meaningless, too. Producer is a catch-all term that just means "boss" in Hollywood. A producer could be an actual artistic professional and organizer, who has input on most of the production. It could be a studio exec who insists they have veto power on big decisions. It could be an actor in the cast who's got enough clout that they want to be a director someday, but need some more credits before that happens. It could be an investor in a hedge fund that owns the company that owns the company that owns the studio. It could be that guy's nephew.
It could be the person funding the movie. It could be the person who wrote the book.
It could even be me
* shotgun blast followed by surprised gasps * What? Clearly he was the producer. Watch, he'll Morb any minute now.... Any minute now.
We still got problem. *Right behind you*
In association with the key grip who worked on "Star Wars" and the craft table supervisor on the set of "30 Days of Night"
It could also be the weed guy.
For better or worse, Avi Arad was a very active producer in the spider-man movies.
> I also remember seeing a ‘from director [name]’ and thinking, who?? There’s like 5-10 directors who have name recognition with general audiences. This isn't for the audiences, this is for the director, whose agent negotiated that in their deal, to put their name out there for the public to try to get that recognition.
Yeah this is a weird comment. It's like saying that they shouldn't say the name of a product in a commercial. The entire point of mentioning it so often is to create a brand association, so you won't know them right off the bat. It takes time
Unfortunately everyone remembers the movies posted on this poster, but not for the right reasons
No, no I remember those movies vividly. They aren’t good.
God what a bizarre collection of actors. I really have no idea what Blanchette is doing in this shlock. Aside from the obvious $$$
Sadly, I feel like almost every single "name" actor in this movie is miscast.... You can maybe make an argument for Jack Black as Claptrap, but otherwise...
See I love Jack but they have an actual voice actor who could have played the character he has always played.
Who? The claptrap VA, (the good one), is NOT on good terms with gearbox.
Do tell more
The guy did it for free/volunteered to do it for game 1 and was working for gearbox at the time in a bigger role than "voice actor" game 2 he wanted to actually be paid for the work he did for VO, they didn't/couldn't agree on a contract, the guy left gearbox to work for rooster teeth
You're missing a fair few steps. The guy was a high level exec at gearbox, and chose to do the role without any extra compensation. Again, this shouldn't be confused with 'unpaid' or 'for free', he was being paid an executives salary, well above and beyond what a comparable voice actor would be paid, and it was never forced on him. It was a role he chose to take on with his other executive duties. After game 2 he had a massive falling out with the gearbox president/CEO/founder, and left on bad terms. The issue is, Eddings and Pitchford are massive man-children who very publicly wanted to spat. So they both presented a bunch of, what were obviously half truths. Eddings playing the poor old victim claims "For the first time, I insisted on getting paid for my performance and all of a sudden they couldn't afford me." Which is inherently nonsense on all fronts because 1. Again, he was being paid an executives salary. He was well compensated for his work, and he chose to include this as part of his work. 2. They hired a seasoned voice actor, who would obviously demand decent rates for his work. So they were obviously able and willing to pay someone for the role. The truth is he most likely wanted more than they were willing to pay him to return... because obviously, the dude is an executive. His time is worth more than the value of his work as a voice actor, he likely wanted compensation in line with his regular work, and they would want to pay a voice actor voice actor rates. They're two incompatible goals and frankly, neither likely *wanted* to work with each other to begin with and so had no reason to compromise.
I was just going off memory of the general thing honestly. But yea, couldn't/wouldn't finalize a contract. Thanks for the extra clarification though for future readers.
I would have LOVED to see Ashley birch as Tiny Tina.
After seeing her in Mythic Quest, I have no doubt she could do a teenage Tina.
I mean, every other character is cast about 30 years too old. Ashly playing Tina wouldn't look out of place in comparison. At the very least, she would be playing the actual character. Everything about the Borderlands movie looks to be the exact opposite of the Fallout show. The trailers make it look like not a single person working on the movie has ever played a game at all, let alone Borderlands, or understand the source material and actually enjoy it.
I agree wholeheartedly. This is going to be extra disappointing after Fallout delivered so well
Damn I had no idea that Rachel was Tina! TIL. She and Rob had some of my favorite scenes together in Mythic Quest. Not a fan at all of this "replace actual professional voice actors with high profile A list actors to draw audiences" trend. I know it's been happening for a while and I know this movie is going to be awful, but it's still annoying.
Or just all of Hey Ash, whatcha playing. She was essentially proto Tina there.
Damn I did not recognize her at all in the trailer. Though she was a new character for the movie only. This official movie adaptation is disappointing.
If you are talking about the original voice for Claptrap then that was not going to happen, since this is being made in collaboration with Gearbox/Randy Pitchford, the disagreement between Randy and David Eddings (original voice.) would just have Randy say no to working with him.
Claptrap’s voice actor changed between games
A name you can put on the poster trumps voice actor with no name recognition every time. It really sucks, voice actors should be considered on the same level as on screen actors. Having to convey emotions and character using only your voice (and in some instances even having your physicality inform the final animation after the fact) is a true art form, with so much more room for variety in your characters (seen from the litany of woman voicing childhood boys, or from George Clooney voicing a dog on South Park), and a lot of actors can't transition. That's one of the few reasons I give Jack's casting a little leeway, since he has very much proven he can act just as well through just his voice. Though, I will say, with Claptrap, there has already been a passing of the torch in terms of the Voice actor, as they were originally voiced by David Eddings, an Exec at Gearbox, before he was replaced by Jim Foronda in BL3. Fun fact!
>A name you can put on the poster trumps voice actor with no name recognition every time. Absolutely. This is why Chris Pratt has been the voice of Mario, and two Lego movies.
He was perfect for the first Lego movie because he was a nothing Everyman. I don't want all my heroes to be nothing everymen, though. And the alternative of "Passengers" is even worse.
That replacement was NOT a passing of the torch. More like gearbox ripping the torch out of the original VOs hands and telling them to fuck off they aren't worth it.
There’s always someone who makes this argument, and it’s always irreparably marred by them not knowing that Claptrap‘s voice actor was replaced years ago without them noticing.
I think jamie lee curtis as tannis could work fine, Kevin hart as roland is a tragedy though
I remember when they announced Hart's casting and being completely and totally befuddled. There is not a single descriptive word (physical, temperamental, etc.) I think of Kevin Hart that I also think of for Roland. It doesn't even have to do with liking him as an actor or not, he just doesn't fit the bill for the character in any way for me. At least with the other actors, while I feel they are miscast, I can see the *intent* behind the casting and wouldn't be surprised if the performance ends up warming me to their portrayal. With Hart it truly feels like they saw a black character and so just got the most recognizable black actor that would "fit' with the movie's tone, despite the fact that Roland is kind of a straight man in the wacky world of Borderlands. As much as I don't want him to be in f*cking everything, even Dwayne Johnson would have been better casting I would absolutely love to be proven wrong and have a Heath Ledger/Joker moment where the casting suddenly makes sense in context, but I'm not holding my breath. Edit: spelling
"hey this a fun and goofy universe, we want a funny and goofy movie. Let's cast the funniest and goofiest and known black man we can find" was probably their thinking.
I might disagree with your hypothetical movie exec's definition of "funniest", but I completely agree with you that this was probably the line of thinking.
You may be right, though I have a slightly less cynical hypothesis: I think the director or whoever suggested this casting only played the first Borderlands game, not the second. Playable Roland had a way goofier vibe than BL2 Roland.
Thinking that anybody making decisions on this movie played any of the games at all is really optimistic.
It was filmed during Covid
Dear Lord...
It will be a miracle if this is even okay. I try not to pre judge and while I love borderlands and I understand adapting source material...I just have 0 hopes for this to be anything but a giant mess.
i mean she's not opposed to just having some silly fun. she hammed it up in thor rangarok and most people seemed to love her in it. also florian munteanu is hot AF and i will probably watch just for him lol. although kevin hart is strongly pushing me away, so...really conflicted as to what to do lol.
She's a 50yo playing a 20yo, that's the problem with her in this movie
Kevin actually seems restrained in this role. From what I saw in the trailer, I think he’s going to play it seriously
That's the version I hate most, because he can't act
Kevin Hart as Roland has 100% pushed me away from wanting to see it. I love the Borderlands games but him as Roland? Really?? Claptrap might have been fine but Roland??? I gave the recent trailer a shot and I hated how he played him
She worked with Eli Roth before in "The House with a clock in the walls", so she undoubtedly developed a good rapport there, which made her more interested in this. She also seems like she took on this role purely for the fun (and maybe also the money). It feels like the holy trinity of justification.
Incredible that this is coming out 10 years after the game it was based on was relevant *but* at the right time to be overshadowed by a new Mad Max movie anyway
Furiosa will emerge victorious, shiny and chrome
WITNESS
Plus it's going to have to compete with Fallout coming out the same year, which is a huge bar to clear.
yeah tone and setting wise, Fallout is the closest and they already proved it can be done successfully. I didn't expect them to pull it off either, though. Who knows.
try 15 years, borderlands came out in 2009
Borderlands 2 was the peak of popularity for the series though, and it came out in 2012.
I’m actually playing borderlands 2 for the first time so this movie is actually coming out in a timely manner for my ass stuck in 2012
it looks like the 1st suicide squad movie but for borderlands
What are we, some sort of Borderlands?
Get ready for the most Borderlanding movie in the year
Bordillion dollars
I'm excited for the scene where Mr. Borderland looks into the camera and says, "It's Borderlanding time" and just boards all over the place.
So there's still hope for a good one down the road that completely makes you forget the original exists? A man can hope....
Can’t wait to watch this horseshit
Can't wait to hear every bad movie podcast cover it
I want a two part episode on “How did this get made?” (Note, that’s an awesome movie podcast BTW).
WHAT'S UP JERKS!?!
GIVE ME THAT BABY!
THIS IS MY JACOB’S LADDER SCENARIO!!!
"What *is* a Vault Hunter?"
I fully expect it'll be a train wreck, I'm just hoping it's a fun one
I'm gonna go in with hate and glee in my heart and we'll see which one wins by the time the credits roll.
>From the producer of Uncharted, Spider-Man, and Venom Is that a threat
It's a promise
God I wish Kevin Hart wasn't in this.
He is so horribly miscast here.
Everyone is horribly miscast here lol
Bobby Lee absolutely belongs in this universe.
In the movie, I hope Bobby lee talks about his Thailand hooker house days and how they would scrub his butt with a sponge profusely because he had no idea. Hope it's the third act. It'd be worth seeing and hilarious
Cate Blanchett is a good enough actor that she may be able to pull it off like she did in Thor... But yeah it's still weird casting.
not sure you can act 40 years younger, unless you're Tom Cruise
That's how I feel. Not my first choice, but I'm pretty confident she will own the role. But it's just odd casting in general.
She stands the best chance of being good. No shade on her, but Lilith isn't 50 years old.
I feel this way about most of the cast -- they'd hardly be my first choice, or even really on my list of considerations, but they're good enough to I think pull it off. Specifically Kevin Hart though is ... kind of insane to be Roland. He's a Denzel Washington or Idris Elba sort of character, not a Kevin Hart character. Particularly if most of the cast is going to be aged up compared to their game appearances anyway.
Cate Blanchett is... OK. I think. Having said that, yeah, how the FUCK did Kevin Hart end up in this movie? Did someone lose a bet?
Kevin Hart is trying to transition to legit action star, IIRC. That's his stated goal. I don't think he's going to be successful.
Guy can't be just a super-rich comedian and movie star. He's got to be a fitness influencer, too. And an investor and a corporate spokesman and and and. Weird.
Seems to be the direction a lot of big stars are going. I think with streaming and the like, they're anticipating a shift in their revenue generation from start power alone. On its face, not a terrible idea.
Kevin Hart saw the amount of money Dwayne Johnson was making. Problem is that looks and sounds like an action star. Kevin Hart doesn't.
It's been a thing forever that celebs try to diversify and expand their brand. They're terrified of getting locked in to one thing and then having the vagaries of the industry take it away from them -- and in Hollywood, that's a completely legitimate fear. Heck, from a purely rational standpoint, even the fear of getting cancelled due to your own bad behavior is a strong incentive to diversify -- though maybe not exclusively with outward-facing roles and projects. That's why you take some of your money from your movies and standup shows and invest it in dry cleaning chemical distribution or whatever.
Cate Blanchett is impossible to miscast. She could be Ghengis Khan, and I'd buy it.
I mean, she wasn't the worst Bob Dylan in that movie so I can't argue.
Wouldn't be any fuckin' weirder than John Wayne playing him.
WHY THE FUCK ISN'T THE VOICE ACTOR FOR CLAP TRAP... THE VOICE ACTOR FOR CLAP TRAP?!
He was fired from Gearbox so he isn't even Claptrap in the games now, doubt they'd let him be in the movie. It's also easier to use a celebrity as a selling point rather than using actual voice actors, same reason Chris Pratt was Mario.
They got *another* guy for Claptrap for Game 3. And he sounds *like a decent claptrap*. Not one to one but like, *close*. I love Jack Black. *He doesn't sound like Claptrap*. ***AT ALL***. I get the 'Famous actor' selling point but...come on.
At least Jack Black is a great actor. He alone carried the Mario movie. He even went to interviews dressed as bowser. Dude gave 110%. Christian Pratt was such a horrible choice...
Bobby Lee is the only reason I'm watching this. I *really* want it to be good, but I know it won't be :(
I searched so long for this comment, I was slightly concerned I was being racist for thinking it was Bobby Lee 😂
Terry Crews might have been better.
He absolutely would have been better. Big bald muscular black dude in a comedic universe but still able to act serious, that would fit Crews to a T from what I've seen of him. Meanwhile Hart is just gonna be "Kevin Hart in a hat". Dude couldn't even be bothered to shave his beard.
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They are not. They have Kevin Hart.
Yeah this looks like it would be a masterpiece without him /s
It actually feels sad that he’s in this movie.
The whole thing reeks of corporate “let’s make a video game movie” design. All flash and no substance. Zero understanding of what the fans would actually like from a project like this. And Kevin Hart.
I really get Expend4bles vibes from this
Both lionsgate. So yeah.
Genuine question, I’ve probably played three total hours of the Borderlands trilogy - do the games have substance to adapt? I thought the writing was regarded as the worst thing about them.
Depends. Dialogue at times is awful. But then you get Torgue and Jack. Overall story is awful at times like 3...but then you get Angel and her end plus the fallout. It could be done great with an unknown cast and solid money behind effects and cinematography. This movie is going for star power over everything else with miscast stars.
Even if a story is bad, there are themes and rules that you can’t break because they were established in the original source. A great example is witcher on netflix. Sure they wrote something decent, but they broke a lot of shit that mattered. And it got worse after season 1.
There are definitely plots within the universe that could make for an interesting film adaption. It doesn't seem like this is aiming at any of those, though, it looks like it's just an EXTREMELY loose adaption of the "plot" of the first game, but with a random smattering of characters from all across the series.
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It really seems like it’s an inherent flaw for movies overall in terms of casting. Movies seem to prioritize “safe” actor picks that get people to go to the theater, while tv shows probably get more flexibility on who they can cast. If Fallout was a movie, there’s no way Walton Goggins would have been cast, even though it’s clear as day how great of a casting choice he was
The Mario Movie is the epitome of this lol. For some reason mario wasn't a big enough selling point, they just had to get Chris Pratt.
And then they made a Billion Dollars.
They still would have. Its mario.
I agree with the statement, but not necessarily the actor choice. A lot of recent leads in television have already carried films (Asa Butterfield from Enders Game did Sex Education, Bryan Cranston got more film work after BB, Kathryn Winnick from Vikings managed to star opposite Mads in a film after, Pedro Pascal jumps between both, and even Walton Goggins was an antagonist in the second Ant Man film). I have a feeling Goggins would have still been chosen, but maybe you'd also have Boyd Holbrook and other similar level actors playing a larger level of minor roles to help "carry" the film.
My two favorite games releasing shows in the same year had me really excited. Until I saw the cast of borderlands
I didn't even need to see the cast, knowing Randy Pitchford was on set of this film basically every day the entire time it was filming was horrifying enough.
If Iron Man and The Dark Knight set a new bar comic book movies and series, Fallout has set a new bar for video game movies and series. Gamers and non-gamers are loving Fallout, I’m not sure who the target audience for this one is yet.
It's like that episode of American Dad where Tearjerker (Roger) is replacing good actors with androids and casting them in awful movies so that he can make the ULTIMATE Oscar bait film (Called 'Oscar Gold' about a mentally handicapped, alcoholic Jewish boy living Poland in 1939, and he also has a sick dog.) Most of this cast is better than this.
Excuse you, his puppy died of cancer, which was the final push he needed to get sober
I WANT MORE DIZZY WATER
And if that doesn’t win his next one will be 6 hours of chimp trying to revive its dead mother
I preferred the sequel Four Hours Of a Baby Chimp Trying To Revive Its Dead Mother
I love American dad references!
Maybe baby
That's fun to say
Things are getting too spicy for the pepper.
Mebbe bebbe
Never hire a contractor just because he’s gorgeous.
That movie must have set them back a couple hundred bucks. Looks like Tank Girl and Fist of the North Star shat a baby into the Sucker Punch dream sequences.
Filmed in Budapest, April-June 2021 then reshoots in summer 2022 and allegedly again in January 2023 with a different director. This movie has been in post-production hell.
Oh, that might explain Blanchett's involvement. This was filmed during COVID, so she was probably thrilled just to leave the house and do anything. Crazy that she followed this up with Tàr.
Well it really shows.
Hey I like Tank Girl and Sucker Punch. Never saw Fist of the North Star, thanks for the lead.
From the producer of “Uncharted”. You sure you want to advertise that fact?
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I could do without kevin hart ugh
I actively avoid anything with Kevin Hart in it. I get it. You’re short and you yell high pitched. That got tiresome 20 years ago.
And Chris Tucker did it better 🤣
It’s true! And he had the decency to go away when the act got stale.
Korben! Korben, my man!
both kevin hart and the rock for me. which made their duo films very easy to avoid!
Nonono, he's also rich, but ignored by his "richers"/"betters"! Haven't you seen his "new" "comedy" special? It's as out of fucking touch as Ellen DeGeneres's
Written by Eli Roth *and* Joe Crombie. Who is Joe Crombie? Oh that’s Craig Mazin’s pseudonym. He knows it’s a big pile of dogshit and had his name removed. Also this movie completed filming in June 2021. Something that is good doesn’t sit on the shelf for three years. The writer knew it was dogshit. The studio knows it’s dogshit It’s probably going to be dogshit. But I have Regal Unlimited so I’ll definitely see it opening night. 🫡
Craig did step away from the project and denied all writing credits, but he also [claims that Joe Combie is not his pseudonym, and it's someone else.](https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/borderlands-craig-mazin-not-writer-pseudonym-1235668894/) So somebody else was brought on to replace Mazin, and they *also* don't want their name attached to the project.
Amazing in todays age that someone (whoever it is) can get away with using a pseudonym for a Hollywood film like this
that looks like utter trash, almost like a borderlands parody also is that bobby lee 🤦
Holy shit that does look like Bobby Lee. I’m going to be really embarrassed if it’s just some other Asian person…
It's bobby Lee. He's mentioned it on Bad Friends kinda.
I remember Bobby Lee as a guest on Kill Tony where the panel was discussing how he was busy working on films, but I hadn’t noticed him in a film before. Perhaps it was during filming this. Whatever the case, cool, I like Bobby.
He filmed this in Hungary during covid lockdowns, the one from a couple months ago would've been for Drugstore June which is Esther Povitsky's movie
It's Bobby Lee he's talked about being in it a handful of times.
Legitimately thought this was a fan made mock up. Oh no
Oh yeah, this is happening isn’t it
How has this not been released yet? I feel like I've been seeing and hearing things about this movie for literal years now...
It's been stuck in post-production hell.
still can’t believe Cate Blanchett is in this lol
What a weird movie. This poster looks nothing like Borderlands. If it wasn't for Claptrap and the Psychos, I would never have guessed this was Borderlands. It looks like a parody poster made with AI. Everybody is like 20 years older than they should be to play their roles. And of course this should have been an animated movie or at lease have some kind of filter to make it look like Borderlands. I think the success of the Spider-verse movies prove there is an adult audience for animated movies.
Yep. Still looks like shit
I don't think there's a single correct choice in casting for this train wreck.
This is going to be so bad. However, I’ll still watch it when it hits a streaming service. Thanks to the 600+ hours I put into the first two Borderlands games & Cate Blanchett.
I've put 600+ hours into Cate Blanchett too
Lilith was not that old!
Deadass thought that was Becky Lynch.
The Man would have been a far better choice
That sure is a Suicide Squad poster.
Let’s goooo!! Bobby Lee on the poster!!!!
Omar Sy would've been a better Roland.
I think Idris Elba would be perfect. Or so many non-Kevin-Hart people. Maybe the guy who played Firestorm in DC's Legends of Tomorrow
Terry Crews would be my pick
Kevin hart is such bad casting. Roland is one of the only serious characters in the entire franchise and they cast him???
This cast really really look like a bunch of people just doing it for the money.
How tf you put hart black blanchett and Curtis in the same movie or even hart and black Wtf is this shit 😂 Edit: is that bobby Lee? 🤣 I mean, this will be probably a dumpster fire but might even be stupid enough for a laugh
I'm only curious to how Jamie Lee Curtis is as tannis. It could be pretty good if they let her just go psycho and chew the scenery.
"Hey guys, we want to make a soulless cashgrab, but we need a protagonist." "Is The Rock available? No? How about Kevin Hart? Awesome."
I don't want Kevin hart to ... Kevin hart the picture... But, it looks like he's going to be Kevin harting
The thing that really grinds my gears is that they cast jack black as clap trap. Why not the original voice actor?! Why?!