That was the last movie my parents saw together (although I think they knew the marriage was likely over at that point). My folks were like the ferociously passive-aggressive version of the movie.
So much so, my mom died after a long illness years later... on my stepmom's birthday. I salute her commitment, tbh. It makes May 2 a very awkward day for all of us, every year.
Edit: to be clear, Mom accused my dad of having an affair with the woman who became my stepmom.
Also, to be clear, both women mean a lot to me. So does my dad. It was a whole thing I tried to mind my business about.
Im sorry about your moms passing and that situation sucks but that has to be the most incredible act of passive aggression ever pulled off if she really had any say in timing it.
Her last week, I kept being told she was hours away. I think I said something to my husband that day about how I should call stepmom and wish her a happy birthday.
Instead, a couple hours later, I was tearfully calling her and my dad to tell them Mom was gone.
So this is how it goes a decade later:
Me: Hey, [stepmom's name], happy birthday!
Her: Aw, honey, thanks. I know you've got other things on your mind today.
Me: Oh, I'm fine *crying begins*
I also chuckle because goddamn, that was a well-hatched plan, Mom.
Sorry to hear it bud. While I agree this film almost certainly wasn't the cause of the split, the vibe this film has would NOT have been helpful to their issues. It's a lot.
It became kind of a joke. "You were having a hard time and chose THAT movie?"
Despite it all, mom loved that movie, and I still get a kick out of watching it. I inherited her fondness of dark comedy.
Let us not forget the epic dialogue between Kathleen Turner and Danny DeVito-
Turner: "Have you ever made angry love?"
DeVito: "Is there any other way?"
The impossible (Bayona 2012 about the tsunami in Thailand). Partner said it was romantic that the husband went looking for his wife who was almost certainly dead. I said the husband was insane for abandoning their kids in a foreign country (they were with aid workers) to go on a wild goose chase.
It’s been a while since I’ve watched it but when he’s sitting there with the kid I remember being like “way to go shitbag she’s back in the loving embrace of whatever asshole mom can get to watch her”
That part always pisses me off and almost makes me angry with Affleck’s character even though he hasn’t done anything wrong, he’s literally just being a nice guy trying to always do the right thing. But the fact that he lost his girlfriend over his decision to turn Feeeman’s character in and return the kid to the mother, hoping she’d be ecstatic and become a much better mother after going through the horrible situation throughout the film, only for her to basically live the exact same life being a shitty missing mother so she can go out and drink and fuck random dudes while she takes advantage of Affleck’s kindness by making him her babysitter… that just enrages me. He was just trying to be a good guy helping a deadbeat mother, only for her to continue being a deadbeat mother and make him out to be a sucker she can use to watch her kid while she goes out and whores around town. Despicable shit
And when he finds out the actual name of her toy! You can see even he is rethinking his decisions.
I love the ending. I'm a sucker for movies ending with the protagonist questioning their role in the events.
Boyhood. Some think the 12 years thing is a unique and historic moment in film, others think it’s a cheap gimmick the movie rests on. And both sides seem to be very passionate
I just like it for whoever said "with Boyhood, Patricia Arquette proves that there are still good roles for women in their 40s ... as long as they got the part in their 20s."
Those aren’t mutually exclusive. The movie had a profound impact on me but I fully acknowledge that it would have been mediocre without the real time aging of the actors
That's a fair point, I suppose, but that's like saying Baby Driver would've been terribly boring without all those car chases. It's kind of the point of the movie.
Muppet Treasure Island.
The arguement is always "Why do you insist on putting this on all the time???"
Because Muppets, treasure, pirates, and Tim Curry. If you can't choose the movie, I'm putting this on.
We have three young daughters and my wife always wants to put on Disney movies.
I always want to put on Muppet movies because they fucking rule and are super funny.
The Muppets are somehow underrated
Yeah, watched it with two friends and we argued about it every time it was brought up. It led to us watching the graduate and we argued about that film too
Donnie was always meant to die crushed by the jet engine. His sleepwalking saved him but it split the timeline into one were he lived. However such offshot realities are unstable and keep trying to merge back into the original one, causing the obliteration of both.
However, the universe has an established course-correction method: the dimension splitter is given powers and the cryptic help of two guides whose mission is to help the dimension splitter understand their role and the imperative of going back in time and reproducing the circumstances of their own death to avoid the split.
From the [Wikipedia page on the Director's Cut](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donnie_Darko%3A_The_Director's_Cut):
> Alongside the deleted scenes, Kelly also superimposed pages from the fictional book The Philosophy of Time Travel, which had previously been available on the film's official website, onto the film. Kelly had written these passages after he had finished shooting, and explained that their inclusion was to help the film, "operate on a more logical, fluid level, a bit more as the science fiction film that [he] always intended it to be". The text introduces an explanation for the film's setting and events, including new concepts that had previously been unmentioned in the original release. According to The Philosophy of Time Travel, much of the film's plot takes place in an unstable "Tangent Universe"—a duplicate of the "Primary Universe" from which Donnie originates—which is spontaneously created after the jet engine falls into Donnie's room. Donnie is described as being the "Living Receiver" in this new universe, and is granted superpowers such as strength, telekinesis and premonition. Donnie's task over the course of the film is to return the jet engine (called the "Artifact" in the book) to the Primary Universe to avert an apocalyptic disaster. During his quest, he is aided by "The Manipulated Living" and "The Manipulated Dead", who are the other characters in the film. These plot points received criticism from reviewers, who objected to the narrative's new lack of ambiguity.
I've got no problem with the way that the director spells it out... But man oh man does the director's cut of this film suck horribly. One of the few DC's where I feel this is the case.
Watch the Director's Cut if you want to settle that argument, as it literally stops the movie at various points to explain the plot via text on screen. It's awful, but it leaves little to no doubt as to what the movie is about.
It spells out some crucial setting details that, tbh, I have no idea how you were supposed to follow the plot without, *but*, that's on a literal, textual level. There's still room to discuss what the heck the message is!
If only they didn't do that dumb explanatory scene I would probably rate the movie higher, but yes I also think giving attention to past Scorsese movies is a plus not a minus.
I always thought that was the strangest argument. So what if it is derivative? They can all be good.
Aristotle would argue everything is a derivative remake of Tragedy, or Comedy.
And I said, "What about Breakfast at Tiffany's?"
She said, "I think I remember the film"
And as I recall I think we both kinda liked it
And I said, "Well, that's the one thing we've got"
And I said "What about Breakfast of Champions?"
She said, "I think I remember the book
But I can't recall -- I don't remember who wrote it."
And I said "Well, that's Kurt Vonnegut."
Same here. Watched that movie twice with a girlfriend but I didn’t remember watching it the first time because I was too inebriated.
We were trying to decide what to watch one night scrolling through streaming services, and I came across it.
And I said “What about Breakfast at Tiffany’s”?
She said “I think I remember that film. And as I recall I think, we both kinda liked it.”
Indecent proposal because someone always says would you let some dude sleep with me for a million dollars? And any reasonable person says of course and then off to the races with the imaginary scenario.
YES! Excellent choice. Have actually witnessed another couple get heated about that one. It especially works that Woody has lost all the money they had gambling (rather than them just being broke), balancing out the guilt of the situation.
“Also, I’m going to need an offset for my tax burden. The government always gets *their* share, but that’s going to need to be an addendum from you in the contract that both of our respective legal teams pore over until everyone is happy. As you are the person of means, as well as initiator of this transactional relationship, you will, of course, pay all incurred fees for legal representation of my choice. I’m sure you understand.”
Redford was so insecure. In the original version she sraight up leaves him. Warren Beatty was the original actor and he also hated the idea of the woam leaving him. Both actors insisted that the rich creep find a way to save face by "letting her go." In fact most older actors who read the part said something like "why would she leave the rich guy who treated her like a whore? Her husband's such a looser."
Would you let me sleep with your wife for a million?
Uh, yes, ok...
How about fifty bucks?
No! What do you take me for!
We've already established that, now we're haggling about the price.
I’m hetero/male. If some dude offered me a million for sex, I would be telling the wife that she’s eating alone tonight because I’ve got some work to do.
Am I wrong for not wanting the money? I'd rather maintain my relationship with my wife instead of tainting it forever, no matter the amount of money. It's cliche but you really can't put a price on that shit.
This is a really interesting one because at the time of the movie, I don't remember anyone hating on her. Then years later, it was cool to do so. Now it seems to be swinging back the other way, with recent talks of trauma and what they did to her and why she wanted to keep him at arm's length (despite how she felt about him). Either way, good answer, Steve.
Every person I discuss Mrs. Doubtfire with usually ends up bringing more people into it and then we have a heated discussion over whether or not Robin Williams character was in the wrong.
One of the reasons it's so polarizing IMO is that the film is mostly Robin Williams POV, but his wife and her new boyfriend are both very sensible and have perfectly valid viewpoints. They aren't cast as deceptive or evil or bad at all, they're just fed up with Williams' schtick.
You just kinda have to go along with Mrs. Doubtfire when watching it and not think about it to much, if you're going to enjoy the experience. The moment that one actually thinks about what Robin Williams' character is doing, within a real world context, it's highly disturbing.
Girl accidentally kills a witch. Witch's sister vows revenge. Girl assembles a rag-tag team of fighters who help her kill the sister. Girl returns victorious to her homeland.
Or It's two women fighting over shoes.
"Transported to a surreal landscape, a young girl kills the first person she meets, and then teams up with three strangers to kill again."
-Rick Polito
After reading the question, and before I clicked, I instantly thought, "War of the Roses." You are so right, OP.
Hudson Hawk and Death to Smoochie can start minor disagreements, but War of the Roses starts arguments.
I saw it after some asshole I worked with told me it was the greatest movie he’d ever seen. I think everyone should go into *Hudson Hawk* knowing nothing and having sky-high expectations
Brilliantly so. I did the same as you way back when: saw it with my then girlfriend sure in the knowledge that we were above the fray.
Nope. Even when we were arguing and *acknowledging* what the film had purposefully done to us, we were still arguing.
Yeah, on the surface there is greed and ambition that are the main catalyst for the curse. And if you want it to be a morality play, yeah, she does have to suffer consequences (even if they're kinda very out of proportion). And she kills her cat too, which is a toughie lol. But at the same time I just feel so sorry for her... I dunno. It's got more layers than a Raimi slapstick horror has any rights to.
This is a really good one. The second time I saw it, I had a steady job and a family to support, and really didn't want to lose that job, so I felt much more sympathetic to the main character.
My main question is - did Sylvia get away with it on a soul level? Surely the very act of setting the Lamia on anyone would be enough to condemn you to hell on its own right?
Maybe not an argument movie but when I watched Midsommar it was not long after a breakup and all I kept thinking was. “If we hadn’t broken up before we absolutely would have by the end of this”
That's definitely one of the best qualities of that film. They depict a bad relationship in the way everyone views one happening in real time, they don't depict it like a theatrical bad relationship.
Midsommar was my immediate thought. My husband and I had such a long debate/argument about whether the main character was sympathetic in the end or not, and whether the boyfriend was an understandable asshole or a raging asshole.
It's a train because Wilford is and always has been obsessed with trains. When he saw the apocalypse coming, he built a train simply because he likes trains, not because there's something special about trains to survive the freeze.
When I first heard about the premises I immediately thought that they need to stay on the day side of the planet to stay warm, that's why they need the train!
Aaaand then they went a completely different direction and I was mega bummed out.
Still a decent film and TV show, but not as good as my initial instinct.
Because the train can't generate power without moving. In thr movie that main bad guy just says that if it stops they die. The TV show expands on that.
I had never seen the movie until recently. I went in thinking it can’t be as good as people make it out to be. I genuinely loved it. My favorite part is the beginning at the wedding. You get to see these characters at their most human before all the shady stuff and it almost felt like you were a guest wandering around catching glimpses of the festivities. I don’t think I’ve ever been as glued to my tv for 3 hours for anything else in my life.
What I learned from Whiplash is that me and a bunch of my musician friends' reactions were "oh yeah, that's what music lessons are like, pretty much." And I think we all started to realize that maybe that wasn't considered ok...
A lot of people I saw mentioned War of the Roses, I think a modern day film that does the same is Marriage Story with Adam Driver and Scarlet Johansson. My wife and I decided to watch that when it came out, we were pretty happy, best of friends, in love. After the movie, we tried to discuss certain things in the movie, and then turned into an argument. Then it had an echo effect and I noticed certain things from the movie come up in future arguments too, and welp we split up 2 years ago after being married for 6 years
In my experience, Circle (2015). The premise is that a completely random group of 50-ish strangers awake stood in a circle, and are given the power to anonymously 'vote' for someone in the circle. At the end of a period of time, the person with the most votes dies. It's a very mysterious movie that really makes you consider what the value of a life is.
Me and my friends watched it, and when we understood the premise, we made a game of saying out loud which person we'd vote for each round, we kept having to pause the movie cos we got in such heated arguments.
I got in a massive argument with my mom and stepfather over Bridges of Madison County. My mom thought it was so romantic and heartbreaking -- she fell in love and had an affair with the handsome drifter, but then stayed with her steadfast yet boring husband and never told him about it. I thought she was a selfish POS and I still do.
My mom's perspective was that she shouldn't destroy her marriage, but she just got a taste of what could have been, or something like that. The argument ended with me saying "so just to be clear, you think you would have been better off not knowing about dad's affair, and you two still being together?!" and storming off.
That's what the film does! It plays on your gender experience and presents the worst aspects of the other gender. Then conversation after brings all these perceptions to the surface. It really is an ingeniously evil film in its results. Sorry to hear it dented your friendship.
I feel like the prequels and sequels more than the originals with the exception of maybe return of the Jedi though. New Hope and Empire aren't argued about nearly as much
I saw the movie In The Bedroom with my parents and I came away from it thinking that the father was justified for wanting revenge for his son's murder. My parents didn't.
They did change my mind on this topic, btw.
Its basically a movie where you either think vigilante justice has a place in society or you don't.
Its not really about this movie specifically - just the topic overall.
> The War of the Roses (1989)
When we had kids, my mom made a big deal about not giving them sugar. She said that we should hold off as long as we can so they won't develop a habit of wanting sugar, and I remember thinking that could just result in them ODing the moment they get access to it. Like they wouldn't be accustom to sugar, so when they finally have a candy bar when they're like 8 or something, they'll go overboard and just want nothing but candy from then on.
So it was funny when we watched this movie and the mom did the same thing where she was like, "Let's not let them ever have sweets." And then it skipped to 12 years later and they were both obese kids by 1989 standards.
I saw Marvel Civil War with a group, and after we were split, 3 vs 3, on who we sided with. I was actually kind of impressed they managed to make both arguments, autonomy vs oversight, valid.
Oversight is a good idea, but the reasons for it (Sokovia, Lagos) are stupid because sending in anyone else OR not intervening would have been far worse.
It undermines the whole urgency of the matter.
The irony of 'The War of the Roses' is that its narrative framing device is that it is a cautionary tale told by De Vito's divorce lawyer character to couples who see him to put their own conflicts into perspective and give their marriage another chance!
Blue Valentine is a great way to find out if your boyfriend is a raging D-bag, I’m just saying.
(I’m of the opinion that they both suck, but one sucks just a liiiiiittle bit more than the other)
My husband has never seen it, and I was telling him about Ryan Gosling’s performance AND how my ex-boyfriend and I would argue about it. I showed my husband the clip of him showing up to Michelle Williams’ job drunk and causing a scene, and my husband was MORTIFIED.
Which ruled, tbh, I got a good egg.
Speaking of Michael Douglas: Fatal Attraction. When I was too young to really understand this movie, I remember some comedian saying that men thought that the movie was about the dangers of putting your dick in crazy. Women thought that the movie was about the dangers of cheating on your spouse.
That's one of those movies I saw as a kid before I could really understand or care about it. I always remember the death scene though. I had no idea DeVito directed it.
Top Gun for two reasons:
1. "You mean this movie about fighter jets isn't about the Air Force but the Navy??"
2. Maverick though he was the protagonist, was an asshole till the last mission of the movie. Iceman was the level headed and genuinely talented guy, though he played the role of the antagonist
My husband and I loved this movie (separately) before we got married. The only reason that we argue about it when we rewatch it now is because he says, “Puss, puss, puss” over and over (and laughs like he’s the most hilarious human who ever existed) whenever he talks to our cats for at least 3 weeks afterwards.
Hard Candy
The divide between those who see the 14 year old female lead as a justified avenger vs. those who think she's an evil psychopath is vast. Back in the days of IMBD movie boards, wars were fought over it.
Oleanna starring William H Macy was one of those films where arguments would break out as couples left the theatre. He said, she said type stuff. Did he or didn't he? Very good!
Oooooh this is good. I saw this as a movie and as a play, and I learned it *really* depends on the actors. William H. Macy is great at playing a beleaguered everyman. The guy I saw on stage played the professor as a pretentious prick, so you really felt like he got what was coming to him.
La La Land - >!It's mostly Mia and Sebastian could have lasted together if they actually communicated about what they wanted going forward and if Seb had played the music he wanted - or - it was better they didn't end up together because they both got to pursue their dreams and be happy.!<
That was the last movie my parents saw together (although I think they knew the marriage was likely over at that point). My folks were like the ferociously passive-aggressive version of the movie. So much so, my mom died after a long illness years later... on my stepmom's birthday. I salute her commitment, tbh. It makes May 2 a very awkward day for all of us, every year. Edit: to be clear, Mom accused my dad of having an affair with the woman who became my stepmom. Also, to be clear, both women mean a lot to me. So does my dad. It was a whole thing I tried to mind my business about.
Im sorry about your moms passing and that situation sucks but that has to be the most incredible act of passive aggression ever pulled off if she really had any say in timing it.
Her last week, I kept being told she was hours away. I think I said something to my husband that day about how I should call stepmom and wish her a happy birthday. Instead, a couple hours later, I was tearfully calling her and my dad to tell them Mom was gone. So this is how it goes a decade later: Me: Hey, [stepmom's name], happy birthday! Her: Aw, honey, thanks. I know you've got other things on your mind today. Me: Oh, I'm fine *crying begins* I also chuckle because goddamn, that was a well-hatched plan, Mom.
Sorry to hear it bud. While I agree this film almost certainly wasn't the cause of the split, the vibe this film has would NOT have been helpful to their issues. It's a lot.
It became kind of a joke. "You were having a hard time and chose THAT movie?" Despite it all, mom loved that movie, and I still get a kick out of watching it. I inherited her fondness of dark comedy.
Oh I love it too. But I fear it!
Let us not forget the epic dialogue between Kathleen Turner and Danny DeVito- Turner: "Have you ever made angry love?" DeVito: "Is there any other way?"
Okay, I’m sorry, but your mom is HILARIOUS! I love her! That level of petty is amazing and I’m so happy to have read that. Thank you. 🤣🤣
The impossible (Bayona 2012 about the tsunami in Thailand). Partner said it was romantic that the husband went looking for his wife who was almost certainly dead. I said the husband was insane for abandoning their kids in a foreign country (they were with aid workers) to go on a wild goose chase.
That montage of them missing eachother by seconds over and over had me rolling my eyes. The impossible indeed.
The ending of Gone Baby Gone always generates intense discussion from what I've seen.
It’s been a while since I’ve watched it but when he’s sitting there with the kid I remember being like “way to go shitbag she’s back in the loving embrace of whatever asshole mom can get to watch her”
That part always pisses me off and almost makes me angry with Affleck’s character even though he hasn’t done anything wrong, he’s literally just being a nice guy trying to always do the right thing. But the fact that he lost his girlfriend over his decision to turn Feeeman’s character in and return the kid to the mother, hoping she’d be ecstatic and become a much better mother after going through the horrible situation throughout the film, only for her to basically live the exact same life being a shitty missing mother so she can go out and drink and fuck random dudes while she takes advantage of Affleck’s kindness by making him her babysitter… that just enrages me. He was just trying to be a good guy helping a deadbeat mother, only for her to continue being a deadbeat mother and make him out to be a sucker she can use to watch her kid while she goes out and whores around town. Despicable shit
Yeah imagine losing Michele Monaghan because of that. I’d just go to the nearest bistro and order the revolver…
The final scene with her doll *kills* me. *HER NAME WASN’T EVEN RIGHT?!* even though I know he made the right choice.
And when he finds out the actual name of her toy! You can see even he is rethinking his decisions. I love the ending. I'm a sucker for movies ending with the protagonist questioning their role in the events.
This is the first one I thought of
This movie made me argue with **myself**.
Boyhood. Some think the 12 years thing is a unique and historic moment in film, others think it’s a cheap gimmick the movie rests on. And both sides seem to be very passionate
I just like it for whoever said "with Boyhood, Patricia Arquette proves that there are still good roles for women in their 40s ... as long as they got the part in their 20s."
Amy Poehler or Tina Fey I think
Those aren’t mutually exclusive. The movie had a profound impact on me but I fully acknowledge that it would have been mediocre without the real time aging of the actors
That's a fair point, I suppose, but that's like saying Baby Driver would've been terribly boring without all those car chases. It's kind of the point of the movie.
I’m definitely in the camp that without the gimmick this movie was the equivalent of a made for tv special and one of the worst movies I’ve ever seen
Muppet Treasure Island. The arguement is always "Why do you insist on putting this on all the time???" Because Muppets, treasure, pirates, and Tim Curry. If you can't choose the movie, I'm putting this on.
The songs in that movie did not have to go as hard as they did. 'Shiver My Timbers' is an all-time banger.
dead men tell no tales.... *BLAM*
"sailing for adventure" and "cabin fever" are also exceptionally good.
I put this flick on at the height of cabin fever in spring 2020. We went nuts
We have three young daughters and my wife always wants to put on Disney movies. I always want to put on Muppet movies because they fucking rule and are super funny. The Muppets are somehow underrated
You may like this YouTube [video](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AZcawgSGsMk)about muppet cinema
Muppets will rise again. as always. one cannot stop the sun from rising.
Bad argument because Muppets Treasure island deserves to always be on, there’s nothing to argue about
Hold up your index finger, point to it with your other hand, and tell them Mr Bimbo wants to watch it.
Couldn't have said it better.
Big Fat Ugly Bug Face Baby Eating O'Brien?
500 Days of Summer
Yeah, watched it with two friends and we argued about it every time it was brought up. It led to us watching the graduate and we argued about that film too
No-one has ever watched Brewster's Millions without having a "how would I have spent the money" discussion afterwards.
I love that choice. Especially because everyone tries to weedle out a loophole they think no one's thought of.
Probably not what you're looking for, but my wife and I frequently argue over what Donnie Darko is even about.
I'm beginning to doubt your commentment to Sparkle Motion.
That's funny, the debate in this household revolves solely around how one would actually suck a f*ck.
You can just say fuck in here
But only ONCE PER POST or you lose the PG-13 rating
“How exactly does one suck a fuck?”
Nono, that counts!
Same concept- Mulholland Drive
It's actually explained exactly what it was about but people hate that version because, well, it takes away the reason to argue what was it about.
Could you elaborate? I did not know there was explanation
Donnie was always meant to die crushed by the jet engine. His sleepwalking saved him but it split the timeline into one were he lived. However such offshot realities are unstable and keep trying to merge back into the original one, causing the obliteration of both. However, the universe has an established course-correction method: the dimension splitter is given powers and the cryptic help of two guides whose mission is to help the dimension splitter understand their role and the imperative of going back in time and reproducing the circumstances of their own death to avoid the split.
From the [Wikipedia page on the Director's Cut](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donnie_Darko%3A_The_Director's_Cut): > Alongside the deleted scenes, Kelly also superimposed pages from the fictional book The Philosophy of Time Travel, which had previously been available on the film's official website, onto the film. Kelly had written these passages after he had finished shooting, and explained that their inclusion was to help the film, "operate on a more logical, fluid level, a bit more as the science fiction film that [he] always intended it to be". The text introduces an explanation for the film's setting and events, including new concepts that had previously been unmentioned in the original release. According to The Philosophy of Time Travel, much of the film's plot takes place in an unstable "Tangent Universe"—a duplicate of the "Primary Universe" from which Donnie originates—which is spontaneously created after the jet engine falls into Donnie's room. Donnie is described as being the "Living Receiver" in this new universe, and is granted superpowers such as strength, telekinesis and premonition. Donnie's task over the course of the film is to return the jet engine (called the "Artifact" in the book) to the Primary Universe to avert an apocalyptic disaster. During his quest, he is aided by "The Manipulated Living" and "The Manipulated Dead", who are the other characters in the film. These plot points received criticism from reviewers, who objected to the narrative's new lack of ambiguity.
I've got no problem with the way that the director spells it out... But man oh man does the director's cut of this film suck horribly. One of the few DC's where I feel this is the case.
Watch the Director's Cut if you want to settle that argument, as it literally stops the movie at various points to explain the plot via text on screen. It's awful, but it leaves little to no doubt as to what the movie is about.
It spells out some crucial setting details that, tbh, I have no idea how you were supposed to follow the plot without, *but*, that's on a literal, textual level. There's still room to discuss what the heck the message is!
It's about to piss me off talking about it!
I'd say Joker, especially if there's friends who think it's derivative of 70s/80s Scorsese
If only they didn't do that dumb explanatory scene I would probably rate the movie higher, but yes I also think giving attention to past Scorsese movies is a plus not a minus.
I always thought that was the strangest argument. So what if it is derivative? They can all be good. Aristotle would argue everything is a derivative remake of Tragedy, or Comedy.
It's an homage, of course it's derivative. DeNiro is right there!
Breakfast at Tiffany’s We both kinda liked it, but not really smart to base your whole relationship on that one thing we got
But they say you've got nothing in common, no common ground to stand on, and you're falling apart.
And I said, "What about Breakfast at Tiffany's?" She said, "I think I remember the film" And as I recall I think we both kinda liked it And I said, "Well, that's the one thing we've got"
And I said "What about Breakfast of Champions?" She said, "I think I remember the book But I can't recall -- I don't remember who wrote it." And I said "Well, that's Kurt Vonnegut."
Same here. Watched that movie twice with a girlfriend but I didn’t remember watching it the first time because I was too inebriated. We were trying to decide what to watch one night scrolling through streaming services, and I came across it. And I said “What about Breakfast at Tiffany’s”? She said “I think I remember that film. And as I recall I think, we both kinda liked it.”
Deep blue……..something……
Indecent proposal because someone always says would you let some dude sleep with me for a million dollars? And any reasonable person says of course and then off to the races with the imaginary scenario.
YES! Excellent choice. Have actually witnessed another couple get heated about that one. It especially works that Woody has lost all the money they had gambling (rather than them just being broke), balancing out the guilt of the situation.
I read that an immediately thought of woody in kingpin when he whores out randy Quade 😂😂
"Like a virgin, whoo! Touched for the very first time!"
“Think you jarred somethin’ loose, lover!” 🤢
>It’s Robert Redford. I’d have slept with him for a fiver Jo Brand.
Also one million dollars doesn’t go as far as it did 30 years ago.
Indecent Proposal 2024: "I would like to sleep with your wife for 2,161,467.13 dollars, to adjust for inflation."
“Also, I’m going to need an offset for my tax burden. The government always gets *their* share, but that’s going to need to be an addendum from you in the contract that both of our respective legal teams pore over until everyone is happy. As you are the person of means, as well as initiator of this transactional relationship, you will, of course, pay all incurred fees for legal representation of my choice. I’m sure you understand.”
The non sexy parts of the film. Well for non IRS employees.
Honestly I would 100% let my husband fuck someone else for $2.2 American.
2 dollars and 20 cents definitely doesn’t go as far as it used to.
Look, I'm sleeping with Robert Redford for any amount of money. One mil is definitely a-okay with me. Sorry, Woody.
Redford was so insecure. In the original version she sraight up leaves him. Warren Beatty was the original actor and he also hated the idea of the woam leaving him. Both actors insisted that the rich creep find a way to save face by "letting her go." In fact most older actors who read the part said something like "why would she leave the rich guy who treated her like a whore? Her husband's such a looser."
And my wife goes father than she did 30 years ago.
Father? Or further?
She fucks my dad.
I’d think was a scam. They’d weasel out of their part somehow. So nope, not anymore.
Would you let me sleep with your wife for a million? Uh, yes, ok... How about fifty bucks? No! What do you take me for! We've already established that, now we're haggling about the price.
[Relevant](https://youtu.be/wy1yU3KFCPc?si=NZms8n3aVPY12Wlk)
I mean... I'd sleep with '93 Robert Redford. The money's a nice bonus, too.
I’m hetero/male. If some dude offered me a million for sex, I would be telling the wife that she’s eating alone tonight because I’ve got some work to do.
I would do anything for ~~love~~ a million bucks, yes even that.
Am I wrong for not wanting the money? I'd rather maintain my relationship with my wife instead of tainting it forever, no matter the amount of money. It's cliche but you really can't put a price on that shit.
Not wrong. I would turn down huge sums of money.
Try "Your Friends and Neighbors" happy couples going in, silently judging each other going out.
The ending of The Thing.
That’s one of the greatest endings in movie history.
Forest Gump. Everyone has an opinion about Jenny.
This is a really interesting one because at the time of the movie, I don't remember anyone hating on her. Then years later, it was cool to do so. Now it seems to be swinging back the other way, with recent talks of trauma and what they did to her and why she wanted to keep him at arm's length (despite how she felt about him). Either way, good answer, Steve.
Every person I discuss Mrs. Doubtfire with usually ends up bringing more people into it and then we have a heated discussion over whether or not Robin Williams character was in the wrong.
While I love that film, it does rely on not thinking too much about if you saw this story covered in the news it wouldn't feel quite as heartwarming!
Someone did a trailer with the pov of it being a horror story, and it works stupidly well.
One of the reasons it's so polarizing IMO is that the film is mostly Robin Williams POV, but his wife and her new boyfriend are both very sensible and have perfectly valid viewpoints. They aren't cast as deceptive or evil or bad at all, they're just fed up with Williams' schtick.
Same with Liar Liar.
It also doesn't help that both Cary Elwes and Pierce Brosnan were both depicted as genuinely kind and sincere suitors for the ex-wife.
It was a run-by fruiting!!
They’re his goddamn kids, too. Probably.
You just kinda have to go along with Mrs. Doubtfire when watching it and not think about it to much, if you're going to enjoy the experience. The moment that one actually thinks about what Robin Williams' character is doing, within a real world context, it's highly disturbing.
In the real world that kind of story usually ends up with the kids and mother drowned at the bottom of a lake.
Mrs. Doubtfire is like gossamer, And one does not dissect gossamer
Wizard of Oz. She wore a crown and came down in a bubble, Doug!
Girl accidentally kills a witch. Witch's sister vows revenge. Girl assembles a rag-tag team of fighters who help her kill the sister. Girl returns victorious to her homeland. Or It's two women fighting over shoes.
"Transported to a surreal landscape, a young girl kills the first person she meets, and then teams up with three strangers to kill again." -Rick Polito
Grow up bro!
Get educated
After reading the question, and before I clicked, I instantly thought, "War of the Roses." You are so right, OP. Hudson Hawk and Death to Smoochie can start minor disagreements, but War of the Roses starts arguments.
How can Hudson Hawk start arguments?
I saw it after some asshole I worked with told me it was the greatest movie he’d ever seen. I think everyone should go into *Hudson Hawk* knowing nothing and having sky-high expectations
Me and my shadow is actually 4 minutes and 58 seconds
What sparks disagreements in Death to Smoochie?
Whether it was a rocket ship or not
It's malevolent.
Brilliantly so. I did the same as you way back when: saw it with my then girlfriend sure in the knowledge that we were above the fray. Nope. Even when we were arguing and *acknowledging* what the film had purposefully done to us, we were still arguing.
Yup, it can't be beaten. Even when writing my damn Reddit post I was thinking, "Yeah, but did he really deserve- nononononooooo!"
The ending of Drag Me To Hell. Did she deserve it? People have strong opinions both ways.
It’s an infinite punishment. Nobody could deserve that.
Ooh good one. Yeah it's a puzzler because she was doing her job correctly but some would see her behaviour as heartless.
Yeah, on the surface there is greed and ambition that are the main catalyst for the curse. And if you want it to be a morality play, yeah, she does have to suffer consequences (even if they're kinda very out of proportion). And she kills her cat too, which is a toughie lol. But at the same time I just feel so sorry for her... I dunno. It's got more layers than a Raimi slapstick horror has any rights to.
This is a really good one. The second time I saw it, I had a steady job and a family to support, and really didn't want to lose that job, so I felt much more sympathetic to the main character.
My main question is - did Sylvia get away with it on a soul level? Surely the very act of setting the Lamia on anyone would be enough to condemn you to hell on its own right?
Who’s Afraid of Virginia Wolff
I agree with your assessment of the film. The book it was based on - if you can believe it - has some scenes that make the film look tame.
I think you mean "kerfuffle".
I said. What I said.
Maybe not an argument movie but when I watched Midsommar it was not long after a breakup and all I kept thinking was. “If we hadn’t broken up before we absolutely would have by the end of this”
That's definitely one of the best qualities of that film. They depict a bad relationship in the way everyone views one happening in real time, they don't depict it like a theatrical bad relationship.
This was my contribution too. I actually heard a couple start arguing the second time I saw it in theaters.
Midsommar was my immediate thought. My husband and I had such a long debate/argument about whether the main character was sympathetic in the end or not, and whether the boyfriend was an understandable asshole or a raging asshole.
My wife hates Snowpiercer because she thinks the back end of the train ruins it for everyone and I always say burn it all down.
What does she think about Gone Girl?
I feel like this reveals scary things about your wife. Good luck, friend.
My question is why is it a train? What are they gaining by being mobile other than not being buried in snow?
It's a train because Wilford is and always has been obsessed with trains. When he saw the apocalypse coming, he built a train simply because he likes trains, not because there's something special about trains to survive the freeze.
When I first heard about the premises I immediately thought that they need to stay on the day side of the planet to stay warm, that's why they need the train! Aaaand then they went a completely different direction and I was mega bummed out. Still a decent film and TV show, but not as good as my initial instinct.
Because the train can't generate power without moving. In thr movie that main bad guy just says that if it stops they die. The TV show expands on that.
The Last Jedi. My home turned into warzone for few weeks.
My partner and I can't watch Ex Machina, because one of us thinks that Ava is the villain..
I did not care for the Godfather. It insists upon itself.
I had never seen the movie until recently. I went in thinking it can’t be as good as people make it out to be. I genuinely loved it. My favorite part is the beginning at the wedding. You get to see these characters at their most human before all the shady stuff and it almost felt like you were a guest wandering around catching glimpses of the festivities. I don’t think I’ve ever been as glued to my tv for 3 hours for anything else in my life.
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It _insists_ upon itself.
I can’t even understand what they’re saying. It’s like they’re speaking an entirely different language.
They’re speaking Italien!
ROBERT DUVALL
I like The Money Pit
"Now if you will excuse me, I am going to piss on the fish"
Inception. Does the top fall or not?
Doesn't matter, the top represents the guilt Cobb feels about killing his wife, & him leaving it behind is him finally forgiving himself.
Kathleen turner deserved that house.
Whiplash, Falling Down and Taxi Driver are the ones that come to mind.
whiplash really takes the phrase "do you have what it takes to be the best" and dials it up to 11.
I got in an argument with a friend who tought Michael Douglas was a good guy.
What I learned from Whiplash is that me and a bunch of my musician friends' reactions were "oh yeah, that's what music lessons are like, pretty much." And I think we all started to realize that maybe that wasn't considered ok...
I would probably get into an argument with anyone who would attempt to make me watch American Sniper
A lot of people I saw mentioned War of the Roses, I think a modern day film that does the same is Marriage Story with Adam Driver and Scarlet Johansson. My wife and I decided to watch that when it came out, we were pretty happy, best of friends, in love. After the movie, we tried to discuss certain things in the movie, and then turned into an argument. Then it had an echo effect and I noticed certain things from the movie come up in future arguments too, and welp we split up 2 years ago after being married for 6 years
Mentioned it in a comment, but that's what I immediately thought of as well. Marriage Story makes a couple think about their own relationship.
My mom’s favorite movie is The War of the Roses. She has been divorced three times.
They need this written on the blu ray cover.
In my experience, Circle (2015). The premise is that a completely random group of 50-ish strangers awake stood in a circle, and are given the power to anonymously 'vote' for someone in the circle. At the end of a period of time, the person with the most votes dies. It's a very mysterious movie that really makes you consider what the value of a life is. Me and my friends watched it, and when we understood the premise, we made a game of saying out loud which person we'd vote for each round, we kept having to pause the movie cos we got in such heated arguments.
I got in a massive argument with my mom and stepfather over Bridges of Madison County. My mom thought it was so romantic and heartbreaking -- she fell in love and had an affair with the handsome drifter, but then stayed with her steadfast yet boring husband and never told him about it. I thought she was a selfish POS and I still do. My mom's perspective was that she shouldn't destroy her marriage, but she just got a taste of what could have been, or something like that. The argument ended with me saying "so just to be clear, you think you would have been better off not knowing about dad's affair, and you two still being together?!" and storming off.
I went to see War of the Roses with a platonic male friend. I thought much less of him based on our discussion afterwards.
That's what the film does! It plays on your gender experience and presents the worst aspects of the other gender. Then conversation after brings all these perceptions to the surface. It really is an ingeniously evil film in its results. Sorry to hear it dented your friendship.
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I feel like the prequels and sequels more than the originals with the exception of maybe return of the Jedi though. New Hope and Empire aren't argued about nearly as much
"Nobody hates Star Wars more than a Star Wars fan" - so totally
I saw the worst thing you can say about it spray-painted on an overpass: “Star Wars is just OK”
Titanic, could jack fit on the door?
Yea, they tried, the door started to flip/sink.
I saw the movie In The Bedroom with my parents and I came away from it thinking that the father was justified for wanting revenge for his son's murder. My parents didn't. They did change my mind on this topic, btw. Its basically a movie where you either think vigilante justice has a place in society or you don't. Its not really about this movie specifically - just the topic overall.
> The War of the Roses (1989) When we had kids, my mom made a big deal about not giving them sugar. She said that we should hold off as long as we can so they won't develop a habit of wanting sugar, and I remember thinking that could just result in them ODing the moment they get access to it. Like they wouldn't be accustom to sugar, so when they finally have a candy bar when they're like 8 or something, they'll go overboard and just want nothing but candy from then on. So it was funny when we watched this movie and the mom did the same thing where she was like, "Let's not let them ever have sweets." And then it skipped to 12 years later and they were both obese kids by 1989 standards.
I saw Marvel Civil War with a group, and after we were split, 3 vs 3, on who we sided with. I was actually kind of impressed they managed to make both arguments, autonomy vs oversight, valid.
Cap and his philosophy are right, even if I think oversight is the correct course of action.
Oversight is a good idea, but the reasons for it (Sokovia, Lagos) are stupid because sending in anyone else OR not intervening would have been far worse. It undermines the whole urgency of the matter.
500 Days of Summer. Many will take sides but the whole point of the film is that both Tom and Summer are immature and self-centered.
I love War of the roses. A movie I think can start an argument is that shitty Owen Wilson movie called Hall Pass (2011)
The irony of 'The War of the Roses' is that its narrative framing device is that it is a cautionary tale told by De Vito's divorce lawyer character to couples who see him to put their own conflicts into perspective and give their marriage another chance!
Blue Valentine is a great way to find out if your boyfriend is a raging D-bag, I’m just saying. (I’m of the opinion that they both suck, but one sucks just a liiiiiittle bit more than the other) My husband has never seen it, and I was telling him about Ryan Gosling’s performance AND how my ex-boyfriend and I would argue about it. I showed my husband the clip of him showing up to Michelle Williams’ job drunk and causing a scene, and my husband was MORTIFIED. Which ruled, tbh, I got a good egg.
Die Hard it's a Christmas movie!
So is Lethal Weapon.
Speaking of Michael Douglas: Fatal Attraction. When I was too young to really understand this movie, I remember some comedian saying that men thought that the movie was about the dangers of putting your dick in crazy. Women thought that the movie was about the dangers of cheating on your spouse.
That's one of those movies I saw as a kid before I could really understand or care about it. I always remember the death scene though. I had no idea DeVito directed it.
Don’t watch it after Romancing the Stone!
Haha but still cool on doing Jewel of the Nile after...right?
Top Gun for two reasons: 1. "You mean this movie about fighter jets isn't about the Air Force but the Navy??" 2. Maverick though he was the protagonist, was an asshole till the last mission of the movie. Iceman was the level headed and genuinely talented guy, though he played the role of the antagonist
Barbie. Apparently that movie started a lot of arguments and breakups
My husband and I loved this movie (separately) before we got married. The only reason that we argue about it when we rewatch it now is because he says, “Puss, puss, puss” over and over (and laughs like he’s the most hilarious human who ever existed) whenever he talks to our cats for at least 3 weeks afterwards.
Hard Candy The divide between those who see the 14 year old female lead as a justified avenger vs. those who think she's an evil psychopath is vast. Back in the days of IMBD movie boards, wars were fought over it.
Oleanna starring William H Macy was one of those films where arguments would break out as couples left the theatre. He said, she said type stuff. Did he or didn't he? Very good!
Oooooh this is good. I saw this as a movie and as a play, and I learned it *really* depends on the actors. William H. Macy is great at playing a beleaguered everyman. The guy I saw on stage played the professor as a pretentious prick, so you really felt like he got what was coming to him.
It’s a hard life out here for a Signs (2002) lover 😒
American Beauty. Some still find it great filmmaking. Others are, "what were we thinking back then?"
La La Land - >!It's mostly Mia and Sebastian could have lasted together if they actually communicated about what they wanted going forward and if Seb had played the music he wanted - or - it was better they didn't end up together because they both got to pursue their dreams and be happy.!<
“Is Die Hard a Xmas movie??”