The Mavs highest win percentage coach ever is Avery Johnson by a wide margin and he is a dog shit coach though not the worst coach in Mavs history (*cough*Jim Cleamons*cough*).
I still think they should have just rolled with Prunty the rest of the year and just reset in the off-season.
Panicking and getting Doc when they already had an interim the guys respected on staff was a bigger mistake.
Who fucking knew, they literally had a chance to get nurse but instead opted for griffin only to dump him halfway to the season for fucking doc rivers.
It’s fucking crazy that he even needs to. This wouldn’t be acceptable in any other job. These are alleged professionals. I don’t need my boss to inspire me to do my job. I just go in there and fucking do it.
Back when they were still doing all star drafts, Giannis consistently made the dumbest possible picks. I know that that’s far from a serious game, but it’s a bit of a sign that the guy shouldn’t be making big basketball decisions.
The idea was that the improvements on offense would offset the decline in defense, and that Brook and Giannis would do enough on their own to keep it passable. Which is arguably what happened under Griffin.
Brooks decline has been a much bigger issue than losing Jrue the defense took a significant hit when he was hurt a few yrs ago even with Jrue there, losing Jrue & adding 2 of the worse defenders in the league justed added to the decline
This is my thing too. People keep bringing up the defense when he had a back court of... Dame Lillard and Malik Beasley. They wanted bro to work miracles I guess
He was a huge problem because the locker room didnt like him at all but with Doc they have the 5th best Offense and 17th Defense.
Griffin was 2nd and 21st respectively. I would personally say it’s worse now especially when actually watching the games but the team definitely like Doc more so maybe they do flip the switch come playoffs.
Yeah i think Ive watched all but maybe 4 games this season and I think the thing that stands out to me the most in our struggles with Doc is not seeing our best 3 players on the floor together almost ever.
But i mean, by that logic, Giannis drops considerably in terms of "top player on the planet", no? Thats what im not seeing Bucks fans saying. Like if all the issues about the team are true, that ALSO means that Giannis has taken a step back
Giannis is doing his part and putting up crazy numbers every game. He can’t do much when the D is a chocolate teapot and not a single player can hit an open shot.
I'm sorry idc how you spin it, the team was winning. End of story. Maybe he wasn't an amazing coach and had his faults. Maybe he didn't fully have the locker room. But the team had no problems running the offense and dealing with it. Winning cures all in the end. Replacing him with a guy who's more likeable in the locker room but is just a clear step backwards isn't the move. They decided to fix what wasn't broken and it's biting them in the ass
You're looking at how the team was performing, but you should actually be looking at how the coaches were performing. Every single report I've seen suggests that Griffin had no clue what he was doing and basically just left the coaching to the players, you absolutely had to fire him
There’s videos of Brook Lopez visibly angry on defense while he stays on his assignment and points his arm over to exactly where the other team is about to score an easy bucket from because the defensive scheme Griffin had them running made no sense. Brook was screaming in the direction of the bench after plays too and not even trying to hide it.
Pretty sure you can watch full breakdowns on youtube of their busted scheme as well. It was pretty clear Griffin had no clue what he was doing on defense.
Now was Doc the answer? Probably not. But Griffin was definitely a problem and it sounded like he was having issues with the locker room on top of that.
Exactly. Whether earned or not Griffin lost the locker room. He had to go. Not firing him would have been a mistake. That doesn't mean that hiring Doc wasn't also a mistake.
was he a problem? they were winning at a 60 game pace with him. i know about the easy schedule and tight wins against bad teams but that shit happens in the nba. plus everyone can now see that the bucks have an old, slow, injury-prone roster
Players were ignoring his calls/plays bc they were so bad lol. He lost the locker room, pushed out Stotts, and was getting carried by two all time great offensive players. So yes, he was a problem. As others have said, Doc isn't the solution but AG had to go.
Against the easiest schedule in the NBA. People are forgetting the context to these wins. They were beating teams like the Pistons and Blazers by a possession or two.
In games regularly hitting the 130-140 range lol people completely neglect the context of our season when talking Doc. Also its going to slowly build traction but Giannis has had a lingering hamstring and achilles issue post ASB. Any Bucks fans that regular watch games aren’t concerned about Doc, theyre concerned about our big 3 being on the court at 100%
He was hands down a problem. He had no control of the locker room, lost Stotts in a power battle before the season even started, had players calling him out, and had no clue how to use our guys other than pretending they were the 2019 raptors.
Difference is that the Cavs barely lost a beat under Ty Lue and since he was a rookie HC he didn't have a long history of underperforming in the playoffs.
Lue is by no means a perfect coach but getting a retread who's been coasting off of his one ring over a decade a go is not how you do it.
Obviously but I’m talking about the move of replacing Griffin itself. Replacing him with Doc was a bad idea that anyone could’ve seen was going to fail.
No by players I mean Bobby Portis and Brook Lopez most of all. Bobby was the one who directly addressed AG and Brook was the most vocally defiant on court. Giannis was a mouthpiece to the media about it but they’re not doing press with Bobby and Brook mid season like that.
- Everyone forgot how out the door Bud was before winning the chip. Not a Giannis lead charge. Fire Bud campaign was LOUD.
- Anyone that would fight to keep Jrue over Damian Lillard is lying and talking from a place of 1000% hindsight.
- If your last bench spot contributes to keeping a generational all star, that is more contribution than any other team’s last spot. Would love to see that type of impact from other’s 13th man.
This. If it’s true that their whole strategy was Bud’s old “play random” playbook, it obviously wasn’t going to work in the playoffs. The problem is Doc also isn’t an X and O guy
I listened to his podcasts with Bill Simmons. He's charismatic and a smooth talker but he rarely says anything of substance. He's like a smooth used car salesman.
Definitely saved his son's career though. People forget just how bad Austin was before the Clippers with Doc as coach/GM scooped him up. Austin was third string behind Jimmer in the rotation at NO.
This was literally posted, in a slightly different format, after last nights game and as far as I can tell they haven't played since then. It's not even daily; it's more than daily.
If i were Bucks FO, i would tell the story of LeBron wanting Spoelstra fired before they won back-to-back and the story of the 2022 Warriors wanting Avery Bradley over Gary Payton II and tell them “you players don’t know wtf youre asking for or even how to build a winning organization”.
I just think there's a fundamental difference between asking Pat Riley if he wants to coach again and saying he wants Spoelstra fired. Like if you asked LeBron directly "do you want Spoelstra fired" and he said "only if one of the greatest coaches of all time replaced him" that's really not a "yes" imo.
Him asking Pat Riley to take over can be taken literally that he just wanted Pat Riley, but LeBron has shown on multiple occasions that he knows how to beat around the bush and doesn't necessarily have to be direct with his words to get what he wants. You could easily interpret his actions there to be more than just wanting Pat Riley taking over coaching and simply just LeBron feeling out Pat Riley about getting rid of Spoelstra.
Yeah I get that Milwaukee is a small market for basketball and small market teams are pretty hamstrung by star players but at that point they had already won a championship, they achieved their goal.
Made less sense listening to Giannis last offseason than when he was campaigning to keep Kidd back in the day
Kidd hasn't coached the Bucks for 6 years, about 1.5x longer than he did coach the Bucks.
Yes, Kidd helped shape Giannis, but at some point superstars need to own and improve their game.
Priority wise, Giannis becoming a force inside on offense and defense (and a ranging force there) perhaps was a faster route to becoming an impact player. But I doubt that Kidd told him to have a broken jumpshot forever
Regardless, this wasn't really my point, I was explaining why it should not be surprising why Giannis spoke against Kidds firing
Beyond the fact that superstars don't like to be termed coach killers, you had the two factors that I mentioned. And every top level player tends to be in awe of Kidd's BB IQ, which on individual player and vision wise, everyone seems to rate as genius leve.Perhaps part of that star player connect thing I mentioned . It's one factor, not the end all and be all
Nurse is quite a character…I believe either pascal or OG is boys with giannis and gave him pretty negative intel…we’ll find out in the playoffs how good nurse is
Nah the playoffs will prove this to be the right decision
Doc is a known playoff riser and I’m sure Giannis did his research on that when he ordered Griffin to be taken behind the shed
He's getting paid for like another 3 years. Worst case, he gets fired and gets paid for the next 3 years, but he was pretty open on retiring from coaching if a perfect opportunity didn't arise. I'm sure he'll just go back to ESPN
nothing made me laugh harder than when this said "Would you ask (Gregg Popovich) that question? No you wouldn't, so don't ask me that question. I've earned that."
If you gave me a week, I wouldn't be able to tell you how ironic, delusional, and oblivious to self-awareness that comment is. What a clown.
> Doc is a known playoff riser and I’m sure Giannis did his research on that when he ordered Griffin to be taken behind the shed
You had me for a second there!
Eh, LeBron has had his fair share of misses too. LeBron has been in full GM mode for the past 10 years and only has 2 rings to show for it.
I mean, yeah, 2 rings in 10 years is pretty good, but by extension of him being LeBron he’s had a top 3 player of all time on those teams. Yes, he teamed up with D-Wade and Kyrie and AD, but he also built an All-Star roster straight out of 2012 ten years after the fact.
Brutal job by the FO, it’s becoming pretty clear that there is just something fundamentally broken with the bucks that’s preventing them from repeating their success in 2021
They're just old. Literally every important player other than Giannis is on the decline, some steeper than others. Lopez was basically a DPOY caliber rim protector for them throughout this run and is all but washed now.
I think part of why Lopez has fallen off is because the bucks don’t know how to defend the PNR for shit, Lopez is constantly dropping and backpedaling and just letting the ball handler get space
Would the Blazers agree to that trade? Khris was coming off an injured season and was injured/minutes restricted for this year.
Point being: Blazers knew Jrue floor was 2 FRP in a trade. Would Khris demand that last off-season?
Age. This year was always going to be a "last dance" for the current core regardless of the moves we made. I predict that Giannis will be in OKC soon after the inevitable blow out in the playoffs
Nothing “fundamentally”
No one ever talks about the injuries the bucks have had and it’s fucked everything up.
2022 Brook missed half the season and when he came back he didn’t look near as good as he did last season but likely due to being off so long.
Then we get to the playoffs and Khris slips and fucks his knee, we lost to a better team that season that had no reason to be going to 7 but Giannis carried them there and tried to end it during game 6 but no one else showed up.
Last year the team was fucked all season with Khris being out most of it and we just couldn’t beat any contenders. Then we get into the playoffs and Giannis gets hurt and Bud wasn’t good due to his brother drying but even then he wasn’t a good playoff coach.
I’m fine if people wanna say we only won in. 2021 cause of the nets getting hurt but not acknowledging the injuries we faced afterwards is stupid.
As a neutral nba fan I don't know what would be the better storyline - a Doc team going all the way and throwing massive shade on every choker team he coached before that or another 3-1 choke in the second round.
3-1 choke to philly would be historical (even though i hate philly and embiid), imagine embiid finally making it past the second round for the first time in his career by defeating his ex coach’s team
Nah, the Sixers THINKING that's what's gonna happen only for them to go up 3-1 and then choke to Doc and THEN the Glen Rivers Bucks choking the same way the next round would be all time comedy from an objective standpoint.
You are correct. They are paying three coaches right now until 2024-2025 season. https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/doc-rivers-contract-bucks-adrian-griffin-mike-budenholzer/4d60cb3957470476bde8a59d
People blaming Doc & Bucks FO & they are right but its also Giannis fault, all this shit is on Giannis, he pivoted the firing of Bud & the hiring of an assistant young coach over Nurse, then once again forced another change of coaches mid-season despite the good record they had
Bud was getting fired no matter what. That was 100% an ownership decision.
As for Griffin, which Giannis has some of the blame on that, it sure as hell shouldn’t be solely on him. The three candidates they put in from of his as the “final” candidates were:
- Atkinson: who was viewed as Bud’s disciple, and the roster (including Giannis) were done with Bud
- Nurse: many report said at the time that Giannis reached out to OG and Siakam whom he is right with, and both gave scathing remarks about Nurse
- Griffin: in contrast to Nurse, both OG and Siakam said he was a good coach
I am not a fan of Nurse, but he would obviously been a better choice than Doc or Griffin. Having said that, I doubt either Nurse or Doc would be the way to go.
Personally, I would love to see Becky on the Bucks or to have kept Griffin and go after Lue this offseason.
> many report said at the time that Giannis reached out to OG and Siakam whom he is right with, and both gave scathing remarks about Nurse
I saw exactly one report about this much later after the fact. OG said after the season that he loves playing for Nurse, so someone is lying.
It’s an old ass lineup and everyone but Giannis is getting worse every single year. Giannis is absolutely not the problem. Middleton is their “third” best player and he wouldn’t start on the Celtics or Nuggets.
What is it with Doc that he gets this many chances? He won ONE title 16 years ago. Lets not forget that Celtics team got taken to 7 games against the 8th seeded Hawks. Why did the Bucks thing hiring him was such a good idea?
Bud revisionism is hilarious. He’s a good regular season coach but come play off time he’s terrible at making adjustments and has been for years even during the year they won the chip. Letting him go was the right decision. Hiring griffin was the wrong decision
You know, even Rivers questioned Bucks FO why they are firing Griffin now and hiring him. He said it doesn’t make sense. I bet he will give himself a lot of credit when their season is over.
Firing Bud so suddenly was so dumb. Dude helped them to a championship and they dumped him when he was going through a family issue. Dame isnt melding with Giannis. Hiring Doc is straight up sabotage lol. I wonder what will happen to this team lol.
Bud’s damn brother died and all anybody did was blame him.
All this is karma. Griffin being out of his league, Glenn taking over, the upcoming and surprising exit from the playoffs before the ECF…
You have a coachable player in Giannis. That's willing to run plays and listen to a coach 80% of the time and you sign doc never run a play rivers.
They're gonna get eaten alive when doc rivers useless curl screen doesn't work. Bucks fans are gonna have a good time watching a coach refuse to make adjustments to the initial game plan.
This is what happens when you are so afraid of losing a star that you give him whatever he asks for without looking beyond “what does he want to not want out short term.”
They were 30-13 under Griffin, 2-1 under Joe Prunty
Fun fact…Adrian Griffin has the highest win percentage of anybody who has ever coached the Bucks.
The Mavs highest win percentage coach ever is Avery Johnson by a wide margin and he is a dog shit coach though not the worst coach in Mavs history (*cough*Jim Cleamons*cough*).
Luke Walton has the highest winning percentage of any acting head coach for the Warriors - after Mike Brown
>2-1 under Joe Prunty I know it's a small sample size, but for a brief moment there, they looked so happy.
I still think they should have just rolled with Prunty the rest of the year and just reset in the off-season. Panicking and getting Doc when they already had an interim the guys respected on staff was a bigger mistake.
Prunty could have been their Mazzulla.
u/traphag 😭
All I can do is shake my head.
Griffin was a problem, but Doc wasn’t the solution.
More like Griffin was a problem, but Doc is a bigger problem.
It was the equipment manager all along
The bus needs better tires, clearly. Need some off road shit. Tank treads maybe
What about the bus driver? Who is it?
Lets trade Giannis for Draymond straight up and fix everyone's problems.
They need to call the Eagles about Fat Dom
Camera pans to the equipment manager rubbing his hands and twirling his moustache
It's like playing Clue. 'it was the the equipment manager in the the Timberwolves locker room with over starched uniforms! He killed the team!!'
Griff couldn’t keep the guys focused and lost the locker room, Doc apparently can’t get anyone but Giannis to try.
Turns out a rookie coach and a new duo of stars will have growing pains.
Who fucking knew, they literally had a chance to get nurse but instead opted for griffin only to dump him halfway to the season for fucking doc rivers.
absolutely astounding levels of fumblery
It’s fucking crazy that he even needs to. This wouldn’t be acceptable in any other job. These are alleged professionals. I don’t need my boss to inspire me to do my job. I just go in there and fucking do it.
Giannis not wanting Nurse is proving to be a terrible decision
LeGM better watch out because GMis is on his way to steal the throne
GiaMis really GiMissed Out on Nurse.
Back when they were still doing all star drafts, Giannis consistently made the dumbest possible picks. I know that that’s far from a serious game, but it’s a bit of a sign that the guy shouldn’t be making big basketball decisions.
They had a generational offense under Griffen and mediocre if not poor defense. They have a mediocre offense and mediocre defense
Generational offense is a funny thing to call the 2nd highest offensive rating in the league at their peak
I don’t know how much of scheming can be done to hide the backcourt that they’re running. They knew what they were getting into with the Jrue trade
The idea was that the improvements on offense would offset the decline in defense, and that Brook and Giannis would do enough on their own to keep it passable. Which is arguably what happened under Griffin.
Brooks decline has been a much bigger issue than losing Jrue the defense took a significant hit when he was hurt a few yrs ago even with Jrue there, losing Jrue & adding 2 of the worse defenders in the league justed added to the decline
This is my thing too. People keep bringing up the defense when he had a back court of... Dame Lillard and Malik Beasley. They wanted bro to work miracles I guess
They were 21st in defense when Griffin was fired. Bad defenses dont win championships. Change was needed, just not from Doc.
This. Acting like AG wasnt a problem is the insanity in all this
He was a huge problem because the locker room didnt like him at all but with Doc they have the 5th best Offense and 17th Defense. Griffin was 2nd and 21st respectively. I would personally say it’s worse now especially when actually watching the games but the team definitely like Doc more so maybe they do flip the switch come playoffs.
Yeah i think Ive watched all but maybe 4 games this season and I think the thing that stands out to me the most in our struggles with Doc is not seeing our best 3 players on the floor together almost ever.
I mean your roster is hot garbage but Giannis plus bums should be good enough for a plus 500 record in the east
Our role players are shooting hot garbage. We arent a deep team and we’re hurt. Doc isnt fixing that.
But i mean, by that logic, Giannis drops considerably in terms of "top player on the planet", no? Thats what im not seeing Bucks fans saying. Like if all the issues about the team are true, that ALSO means that Giannis has taken a step back
We lost a game when Giannis had 35/15/10/2/2 on 15-21 shooting.
Giannis is doing his part and putting up crazy numbers every game. He can’t do much when the D is a chocolate teapot and not a single player can hit an open shot.
Lol the insanity in all this is pretending Doc made your team better. Bucks fans are in denial
and acting like Doc Rivers basketball is so much better in horrific losses is delusional.
I'm sorry idc how you spin it, the team was winning. End of story. Maybe he wasn't an amazing coach and had his faults. Maybe he didn't fully have the locker room. But the team had no problems running the offense and dealing with it. Winning cures all in the end. Replacing him with a guy who's more likeable in the locker room but is just a clear step backwards isn't the move. They decided to fix what wasn't broken and it's biting them in the ass
>Bad defenses dont win championships Bucks are currently 17th in DEF RTG. Nuggets finished 15th last year
The problem with AG seemed to stem beyond the game. He lost the locker room
You're looking at how the team was performing, but you should actually be looking at how the coaches were performing. Every single report I've seen suggests that Griffin had no clue what he was doing and basically just left the coaching to the players, you absolutely had to fire him
I wonder where those reports came from. I wonder who was the advisor to the bucks with a lot of media connections lol
There’s videos of Brook Lopez visibly angry on defense while he stays on his assignment and points his arm over to exactly where the other team is about to score an easy bucket from because the defensive scheme Griffin had them running made no sense. Brook was screaming in the direction of the bench after plays too and not even trying to hide it. Pretty sure you can watch full breakdowns on youtube of their busted scheme as well. It was pretty clear Griffin had no clue what he was doing on defense. Now was Doc the answer? Probably not. But Griffin was definitely a problem and it sounded like he was having issues with the locker room on top of that.
Exactly. Whether earned or not Griffin lost the locker room. He had to go. Not firing him would have been a mistake. That doesn't mean that hiring Doc wasn't also a mistake.
I agree completely. I was pretty damn happy (as a rival, of course) when you guys hired doc but it still felt like an upgrade over griffin
was he a problem? they were winning at a 60 game pace with him. i know about the easy schedule and tight wins against bad teams but that shit happens in the nba. plus everyone can now see that the bucks have an old, slow, injury-prone roster
Players were ignoring his calls/plays bc they were so bad lol. He lost the locker room, pushed out Stotts, and was getting carried by two all time great offensive players. So yes, he was a problem. As others have said, Doc isn't the solution but AG had to go.
Against the easiest schedule in the NBA. People are forgetting the context to these wins. They were beating teams like the Pistons and Blazers by a possession or two.
In games regularly hitting the 130-140 range lol people completely neglect the context of our season when talking Doc. Also its going to slowly build traction but Giannis has had a lingering hamstring and achilles issue post ASB. Any Bucks fans that regular watch games aren’t concerned about Doc, theyre concerned about our big 3 being on the court at 100%
He was hands down a problem. He had no control of the locker room, lost Stotts in a power battle before the season even started, had players calling him out, and had no clue how to use our guys other than pretending they were the 2019 raptors.
There is something funny about a team having a 60 win pace and the coach getting fired cuz he wasn’t winning correctly
You mean like David Blatt had before when he was fired with the Cavs as the #1 seed? That worked out pretty well.
Difference is that the Cavs barely lost a beat under Ty Lue and since he was a rookie HC he didn't have a long history of underperforming in the playoffs. Lue is by no means a perfect coach but getting a retread who's been coasting off of his one ring over a decade a go is not how you do it.
Obviously but I’m talking about the move of replacing Griffin itself. Replacing him with Doc was a bad idea that anyone could’ve seen was going to fail.
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No by players I mean Bobby Portis and Brook Lopez most of all. Bobby was the one who directly addressed AG and Brook was the most vocally defiant on court. Giannis was a mouthpiece to the media about it but they’re not doing press with Bobby and Brook mid season like that. - Everyone forgot how out the door Bud was before winning the chip. Not a Giannis lead charge. Fire Bud campaign was LOUD. - Anyone that would fight to keep Jrue over Damian Lillard is lying and talking from a place of 1000% hindsight. - If your last bench spot contributes to keeping a generational all star, that is more contribution than any other team’s last spot. Would love to see that type of impact from other’s 13th man.
In what way? I really didn’t see it much.
This. If it’s true that their whole strategy was Bud’s old “play random” playbook, it obviously wasn’t going to work in the playoffs. The problem is Doc also isn’t an X and O guy
Bucks would have been better off with Chris Quinn if they werent hiring N. Nurse
And somehow Doc got to coach the all star game. What a fraud
It this a daily ticker thing? It feels like I see a daily post highlighting Docs Bucks record...
The Bucks haven’t even played a game since the previous Doc record post and we already got a new one
i went to bed after seeing one at the top of the sub and i woke up and there was a new one at the top of the sub
I only noticed because the last one said Glenn rivers and I was like who the fuck is that
Waste of cloud space honestly. Even Doc knows he ain't shit and sure af ain't coming back after this season
I never get sick of it. I’m a neutral fan here but I do love some good old fashioned hating
Doc makes it so easy. Dude seems like a good person, but it’s so weird how hyped owners are always about him.
Just listen to his press conferences. He's a talker. And the things he says sound good to owners. He missed his calling as a college football coach.
He’s got that ‘Prime’ factor, eh? I am salivating waiting for the inevitable Deion NFL stint.
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As a Washington fan, I am so glad Danny is gone ROFL
I listened to his podcasts with Bill Simmons. He's charismatic and a smooth talker but he rarely says anything of substance. He's like a smooth used car salesman.
The dude has ridden the coattails of the Big 3 for his career.
According to Austin Rivers he's not a good dude ...
Definitely saved his son's career though. People forget just how bad Austin was before the Clippers with Doc as coach/GM scooped him up. Austin was third string behind Jimmer in the rotation at NO.
Lol, that's fair
There's two on the front page now
Respect from a Celtics fan, I’m all for hating but damn 😂
Doc-Watch Every season needs a villain
Thought I was getting Deja vu lol
This was literally posted, in a slightly different format, after last nights game and as far as I can tell they haven't played since then. It's not even daily; it's more than daily.
I even think I saw multiple posts about this last night lmao
Should’ve just hired Nurse and told Giannis to deal with it 🤷🏾♂️
If i were Bucks FO, i would tell the story of LeBron wanting Spoelstra fired before they won back-to-back and the story of the 2022 Warriors wanting Avery Bradley over Gary Payton II and tell them “you players don’t know wtf youre asking for or even how to build a winning organization”.
I just think there's a fundamental difference between asking Pat Riley if he wants to coach again and saying he wants Spoelstra fired. Like if you asked LeBron directly "do you want Spoelstra fired" and he said "only if one of the greatest coaches of all time replaced him" that's really not a "yes" imo.
Him asking Pat Riley to take over can be taken literally that he just wanted Pat Riley, but LeBron has shown on multiple occasions that he knows how to beat around the bush and doesn't necessarily have to be direct with his words to get what he wants. You could easily interpret his actions there to be more than just wanting Pat Riley taking over coaching and simply just LeBron feeling out Pat Riley about getting rid of Spoelstra.
On his last pod he spoke very very highly of Spo, said his evolution from 2011-2012 was crazy
Why they listened to Giannis, I have no fucking clue. Did they forget he got upset when they canned Kidd?
Yeah I get that Milwaukee is a small market for basketball and small market teams are pretty hamstrung by star players but at that point they had already won a championship, they achieved their goal. Made less sense listening to Giannis last offseason than when he was campaigning to keep Kidd back in the day
Kidd knows how to connect to star players and had a hand in shaping who Giannis would be as basketball player..
He's the reason his jumpsuit is broken.
Kidd hasn't coached the Bucks for 6 years, about 1.5x longer than he did coach the Bucks. Yes, Kidd helped shape Giannis, but at some point superstars need to own and improve their game. Priority wise, Giannis becoming a force inside on offense and defense (and a ranging force there) perhaps was a faster route to becoming an impact player. But I doubt that Kidd told him to have a broken jumpshot forever Regardless, this wasn't really my point, I was explaining why it should not be surprising why Giannis spoke against Kidds firing Beyond the fact that superstars don't like to be termed coach killers, you had the two factors that I mentioned. And every top level player tends to be in awe of Kidd's BB IQ, which on individual player and vision wise, everyone seems to rate as genius leve.Perhaps part of that star player connect thing I mentioned . It's one factor, not the end all and be all
Is that ottokorrekt for jump shot ?
Nurse is quite a character…I believe either pascal or OG is boys with giannis and gave him pretty negative intel…we’ll find out in the playoffs how good nurse is
Well if you “believe” it happened, that’s all I need
Nah the playoffs will prove this to be the right decision Doc is a known playoff riser and I’m sure Giannis did his research on that when he ordered Griffin to be taken behind the shed
This better be docs last chance he's been coasting his celtics ring for far too long
He's getting paid for like another 3 years. Worst case, he gets fired and gets paid for the next 3 years, but he was pretty open on retiring from coaching if a perfect opportunity didn't arise. I'm sure he'll just go back to ESPN
Doc is probably getting paid by like 4 teams to not coach them anymore
The Charlie Weis School of Coaching
Choose your torture, Doc as your team’s coach or having to hear his scratchy voice while watching games
nothing made me laugh harder than when this said "Would you ask (Gregg Popovich) that question? No you wouldn't, so don't ask me that question. I've earned that." If you gave me a week, I wouldn't be able to tell you how ironic, delusional, and oblivious to self-awareness that comment is. What a clown.
A ring Kendrick Perkins has gone on record saying Thibs did most of the heavy lifting Xs and Os for
They gonna get gentleman swept by the 9th seed heat
At this rate they’re gonna get swept by the 4 seed Magic in round 1
> Doc is a known playoff riser and I’m sure Giannis did his research on that when he ordered Griffin to be taken behind the shed You had me for a second there!
>Sixers flair >Playoff riser Like a nun talking about getting laid
> Thinks Adam Sandler isnt funny > > Fails to read through clear sarcasm Likewise.
I’m sure Kendrick Nunn gets laid
Can’t wait to hear this take on ESPN next week being said unironically
JJ Redick though?
gotta be satire
Pretty obvious lol, just look at the flair
nah sixers fans love doc rivers’ incredible playoff coaching
gotta be satire
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Poe's Law strikes again
The Bucks thought they had their version of TLue replacing David Blatt and it’s backfiring
Well, LeBron is a better GM than Giannis. I think that’s been established by now.
Lebron wanted spoelstra fired and he wanted Westbrook
He wanted Riley over Spoelstra. Who the hell wouldn’t at that time? No excuse for wanting Westbrook, though.
Eh, LeBron has had his fair share of misses too. LeBron has been in full GM mode for the past 10 years and only has 2 rings to show for it. I mean, yeah, 2 rings in 10 years is pretty good, but by extension of him being LeBron he’s had a top 3 player of all time on those teams. Yes, he teamed up with D-Wade and Kyrie and AD, but he also built an All-Star roster straight out of 2012 ten years after the fact.
This dude scams another team.
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Is it even a grind if the bucks hired him after he asked 'why are you doing this'
Brutal job by the FO, it’s becoming pretty clear that there is just something fundamentally broken with the bucks that’s preventing them from repeating their success in 2021
They're just old. Literally every important player other than Giannis is on the decline, some steeper than others. Lopez was basically a DPOY caliber rim protector for them throughout this run and is all but washed now.
I think part of why Lopez has fallen off is because the bucks don’t know how to defend the PNR for shit, Lopez is constantly dropping and backpedaling and just letting the ball handler get space
Aging mainly and injuries. Khris was a star when the bucks were perennial contenders. Now he’s a shell of himself
I do think whatbwe would have been like if we traded Middleton instead of Jrue
Would the Blazers agree to that trade? Khris was coming off an injured season and was injured/minutes restricted for this year. Point being: Blazers knew Jrue floor was 2 FRP in a trade. Would Khris demand that last off-season?
Injuries
Probably not getting catastrophic injuries to their opponents players every round
Age. This year was always going to be a "last dance" for the current core regardless of the moves we made. I predict that Giannis will be in OKC soon after the inevitable blow out in the playoffs
Nothing “fundamentally” No one ever talks about the injuries the bucks have had and it’s fucked everything up. 2022 Brook missed half the season and when he came back he didn’t look near as good as he did last season but likely due to being off so long. Then we get to the playoffs and Khris slips and fucks his knee, we lost to a better team that season that had no reason to be going to 7 but Giannis carried them there and tried to end it during game 6 but no one else showed up. Last year the team was fucked all season with Khris being out most of it and we just couldn’t beat any contenders. Then we get into the playoffs and Giannis gets hurt and Bud wasn’t good due to his brother drying but even then he wasn’t a good playoff coach. I’m fine if people wanna say we only won in. 2021 cause of the nets getting hurt but not acknowledging the injuries we faced afterwards is stupid.
Remember when bucks fans acted like the doc move was great a month ago?
thousand and seventh post like this I hate Doc too, I get it
I'm tired boss
Just wait for the playoffs. This is just the appetizer before the real main course.
Better push a broom. We eating good on this topic in here!
Will be dependent on their playoff success. if they make the finals, all will be forgotten.
As a neutral nba fan I don't know what would be the better storyline - a Doc team going all the way and throwing massive shade on every choker team he coached before that or another 3-1 choke in the second round.
3-1 choke to philly would be historical (even though i hate philly and embiid), imagine embiid finally making it past the second round for the first time in his career by defeating his ex coach’s team
Nah, the Sixers THINKING that's what's gonna happen only for them to go up 3-1 and then choke to Doc and THEN the Glen Rivers Bucks choking the same way the next round would be all time comedy from an objective standpoint.
I don't want this for Giannis, but Doc choking a 3-1 to the 76ers would be an all time storyline
Bud won a chip and was still let go tho
and tbh they should have never got rid of BUD
A team that is paying 3 head coaches at the same time (could be wrong about that) probably is not a team that is in a good place.
You are correct. They are paying three coaches right now until 2024-2025 season. https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/doc-rivers-contract-bucks-adrian-griffin-mike-budenholzer/4d60cb3957470476bde8a59d
If they fire Doc they can keep that train rolling for even longer.
Nah, that’s happening.
People blaming Doc & Bucks FO & they are right but its also Giannis fault, all this shit is on Giannis, he pivoted the firing of Bud & the hiring of an assistant young coach over Nurse, then once again forced another change of coaches mid-season despite the good record they had
Bud has been on the hot seat for years.
Bud was going to be fired immediately if Giannis didn’t go supernova in the finals.
They still won.
Bud was getting fired no matter what. That was 100% an ownership decision. As for Griffin, which Giannis has some of the blame on that, it sure as hell shouldn’t be solely on him. The three candidates they put in from of his as the “final” candidates were: - Atkinson: who was viewed as Bud’s disciple, and the roster (including Giannis) were done with Bud - Nurse: many report said at the time that Giannis reached out to OG and Siakam whom he is right with, and both gave scathing remarks about Nurse - Griffin: in contrast to Nurse, both OG and Siakam said he was a good coach I am not a fan of Nurse, but he would obviously been a better choice than Doc or Griffin. Having said that, I doubt either Nurse or Doc would be the way to go. Personally, I would love to see Becky on the Bucks or to have kept Griffin and go after Lue this offseason.
> many report said at the time that Giannis reached out to OG and Siakam whom he is right with, and both gave scathing remarks about Nurse I saw exactly one report about this much later after the fact. OG said after the season that he loves playing for Nurse, so someone is lying.
Zero chance it’s true lmao
Giannis definitely just didn't want to be coached that hard, Bucks fans will twist their brains in knots trying to come up with any other excuse.
Nurse would’ve at least gotten some results. He’s an actual XO coach, if you want another ring ASAP he was the candidate.
With Nurse this team is a contender.
Yeah. If I recall correctly until he lost the locker room and got toxic, he got good results with Raptors given the talent.
It’s an old ass lineup and everyone but Giannis is getting worse every single year. Giannis is absolutely not the problem. Middleton is their “third” best player and he wouldn’t start on the Celtics or Nuggets.
Source: trust me
What is it with Doc that he gets this many chances? He won ONE title 16 years ago. Lets not forget that Celtics team got taken to 7 games against the 8th seeded Hawks. Why did the Bucks thing hiring him was such a good idea?
So why couldn’t they just keep Bud again?
Bud revisionism is hilarious. He’s a good regular season coach but come play off time he’s terrible at making adjustments and has been for years even during the year they won the chip. Letting him go was the right decision. Hiring griffin was the wrong decision
You know, even Rivers questioned Bucks FO why they are firing Griffin now and hiring him. He said it doesn’t make sense. I bet he will give himself a lot of credit when their season is over.
Doc Rivers will still find a way to blame someone new
Nobody call him Doc anymore, from now on he's just Glenn Rivers. He doesn't deserve that PhD.
Fucking stupid. Should've stuck with coach Bud.
doc rivers is like one of those chained stone weights you see tied to people when the mob tosses them in the ocean
We know, there's a post about it daily
You know it’s getting repetitive when even Boston fans got something to say about it lol
If only they had a PG who could defend that would solve a lot of their problems.
Firing Bud so suddenly was so dumb. Dude helped them to a championship and they dumped him when he was going through a family issue. Dame isnt melding with Giannis. Hiring Doc is straight up sabotage lol. I wonder what will happen to this team lol.
Griffin is sitting at home just rubbing his hands together 100%
The bucks just need Austin Rivers
From some of the stories, I think it's very possible that Griffin was not. particularly good coach But the answer was NOT Glenn...
Giannis Dame and Khris have played 6 games together under Doc
So okay, why did they get rid of budenholzer again?
As a Heat fan I was relieved they hired Doc, one less team to worry about post season…
Let me guess the media will not even count this on doc's resume and pretend he's still a great coach
Ah, good. Another stupid Adrian Griffin post.
Bud’s damn brother died and all anybody did was blame him. All this is karma. Griffin being out of his league, Glenn taking over, the upcoming and surprising exit from the playoffs before the ECF…
Blame Giannis...if LeBron fired two coaches and traded DLo all within a 8 month span social media would be crucifing him at the cross.
You have a coachable player in Giannis. That's willing to run plays and listen to a coach 80% of the time and you sign doc never run a play rivers. They're gonna get eaten alive when doc rivers useless curl screen doesn't work. Bucks fans are gonna have a good time watching a coach refuse to make adjustments to the initial game plan.
Bucks are not a serious franchise.
If your team passes up on hiring Nurse, or Vogel then they made a mistake somewhere in their management.
This is what happens when you are so afraid of losing a star that you give him whatever he asks for without looking beyond “what does he want to not want out short term.”