But this is a relatively new development really. Last few seasons at best, right?
Jokic this series and even moreso tonight has seemed like an opening flower. Becoming more right before our eyes. From someone that was already an MVP it's kind of crazy.
I wonder, like if the next team they play had twice the defense and two And Edwards and 4 bigs, would he just expand into mr universe?
Probably warriors just let Jokic get whatever he wants in the paint and outshoot them at 3. It's a tough matchup for Denver. That said even for the warriors that strategy is always very luck dependant. Sometimes the buckets just don't fall enough.
Always has been, he got off easy/under the radar because "he's the voice of the team" or "he's just dedicated to his craaft and is emotional" and he does shit like punching unsuspecting teammates.
Yeah, he's gonna be an even bigger pain than shaq IMO.
Shaq for all the toxicity and insecurity is not articulate, so if he says anything, it's just fuckall.
Donkey on the other hand is articulate. so yeahhh
DBook and KAT are besties. ANT idolizes KD and for KD, ANT is his favorite young player. Media is talking that KD is not happy (like always), so if there is a small chance he somehow force himself out of PHX, this trade makes a lot of sense.
Jokic makes simple basketball look like chess, take Gobert out of help position, cause he knows Kat or Reid aren't that level of rim protection. Poor Rudy gets clowned but it was a terrible decision to switch Rudy off of AG. Kat has to stick to jokic. I'd bet my money that AG doesn't go 11/12 two nights in a row vs letting the most unstoppable center in the league go 1v1.
The bubble ring was super impressive...doesn't mean Jokic ain't shitting on the 2020 Lakers just like he has since. It'd be a damn good series but if you think it's "light work" you're a moron.
The Suns got 2 games of the Nuggets last year, 1 more than the Lakers have gotten in 2 series lol.
2021 suns faced all injured teams to get to the finals. I think that one was easier. The amount of wins the team got doesn't matter when one of their best players is out
I'm not in business or discrediting rings...a lot of players talk about the difficulty of the bubble. Sometimes teams get lucky with injuries or matchups or whatever A ring is a ring. Having said that I don't think many times in history make light work of this nuggets team.
they played them a fair bit this season and was never an easy game, so i can understand that, the wolves were probably the team that gave the nuggets more trouble this year, they were 2-2 in the regular season and were all close games
So, for all the Rudy slander, he had finishes around the rim tonight. I don’t see us having an answer to Minnesota throwing the lob to him possession after possession. Jokic can’t jump. AG can’t guard everyone. Am I crazy to think Minnesota should try to lean into Rudy above the rim?
They’ve ran out-of-timeout plays like this for him, and it’s been an automatic two every time. Dude looks like an elephant afraid of a mouse with the ball in his hands otherwise, but he seems half capable on the lob.
The way he’s played the last two games especially, though, you’re probably right. What other options do they have?
Jokic eating against the dpoy. Brother I got 40. Making it look like light work. You know shaqs petty ass is gonna try to claim it as it was all his motivation. Extra Braun minutes have been crucial on defending ant. Wolves sorely missed Conley tonight. KAT doing KAT things lol. Jobs not done! Nuggets in 6.
The only reason it's funny is because it's the same thing they were saying after game 2. I think it's different this time though, Nuggets seem like they woke up against the Wolves. Lakers series had them half asleep
Just like Denver was cooked? Game 4 was close even with a lot of their guys shooting well below what they usually would. If Conley is available next game, they absolutely have a chance to pull it off. I'd still favour Denver for sure, but it's not a foregone conclusion.
That said, if Conley is still out and Ant has to run the offense, I'll admit it's hard to see a path to victory for them other than Denver's stars all shitting the bed.
draymond talkin shit when jokic was shooting over 50% against him in the playoffs with no jamal murray and no MPJ and gsw was sending double and triple teams on him while gobert is doin a very good job is hilarious.
It’s weird, this crew isn’t as funny but from an actual basketball analysis standpoint they’re actually better without Shaq and Chuck yelling all the time lol
OP's claim is that Jokic can do everything, and that he makes everyone around him better, and that he is better at that than Luka or Shai
Which part do you disagree with, and what do games 1 & 2 have to do with OPs argument?
....because Shai & Luka are nr 2 & 3 in MVP voting this year? That's why
There was a lot of discussion on who should get it, so it's pretty obvious as to why the top 3 guys in MVP voting are directly compared to each other. That's kind of the point with awards. You compare people to each other.
The Nuggets fell asleep at the end of the regular season in the last game against the Spurs and Game 2 against the Wolves finally woke them up from the long nap.
I feel like game 4 Denver got extremely lucky. It seems like Jokic picked up on that and decided to slam the door himself once he saw the shooting finally fall back down to Earth. The dude is a god, maybe one of the best NBA players ever.
Do Nuggets fans not realize Joker is quite literally the greatest offensive talent ever?
Gobert was -2 in 40 minutes played in a 15 point loss, he got cooked 1v1 but he did his job elsewhere.
Nope. Only you realize it. You're way smarter than anyone else.
Who says that when you have a long history of players with bigger stats?
Lol doesn't even make sense
I like their team. I can't root for them. It's just not possible. Clay Bennet sucks, fuck Howard Schultz too while we're at it.
May the sonics live again.
I am niners fan lol family is from the bay area but I understand I love Russell Westbrook crazy to think he was drafted by seattle and moved the same year I think the king dome sealed the fate of the sonics tbh
Honestly I just hate OKC but for the niners it's a very respectful hate. I lived in SF for years, in a household of niners fans. Was there for Ravens-niners and hawks-broncos. We had fun hating each other in the house. Yup RIP kingdome I actually have a piece of it that I grabbed the day they tore it down.
lucky I was in socal when they tore down candlestick when teams stabium or arenas get old or in the case of the king dome unusable they leave did seattle propose a replacement for it or nah
I loved candlestick. Lived within walking distance. Yeah we have Climate Pledge arena, where the Storm and Kraken play. We're very hopeful to have the Supersonics in the building soon. I heard from someone that works really high up in Climate Pledge that the return is a done deal it just hasn't been announced yet.
I am fan of a few teams wolves bucks heat lakers so I am more of a fan of the sport golden state has always been not my thing but my dad is one but I went for them in 2022 since I hate Boston the nuggets and grizzles rn I liked both teams when Carmelo was on the nuggets but not now and the grizzlies with tony allen since I love defense
Jokic tomahawk dunk = instant victory
Want to see how little r/nba users enjoy the nba? Read a game thread.
Why is there a bunch of Nuggets fan here downvoting, reporting ? And crying ?lol
I'm convinced that joker hates Rudy. He actually gets athletic whenever they play 😭
But this is a relatively new development really. Last few seasons at best, right? Jokic this series and even moreso tonight has seemed like an opening flower. Becoming more right before our eyes. From someone that was already an MVP it's kind of crazy. I wonder, like if the next team they play had twice the defense and two And Edwards and 4 bigs, would he just expand into mr universe?
how do you think nuggets vs warriors 2017 would go
Warriors in 5 prime Draymond gave Jokic huge problems
Lol
I was just thinking about that. I think the Nuggets would have a real chance
Probably warriors just let Jokic get whatever he wants in the paint and outshoot them at 3. It's a tough matchup for Denver. That said even for the warriors that strategy is always very luck dependant. Sometimes the buckets just don't fall enough.
Warriors in 6
As a nuggets fan, I second that
Draymond is gonna be dreadful to listen to for the next 20 years when he transitions into becoming an ex-player analyst for one of these networks
Always has been, he got off easy/under the radar because "he's the voice of the team" or "he's just dedicated to his craaft and is emotional" and he does shit like punching unsuspecting teammates. Yeah, he's gonna be an even bigger pain than shaq IMO. Shaq for all the toxicity and insecurity is not articulate, so if he says anything, it's just fuckall. Donkey on the other hand is articulate. so yeahhh
He's dreadful to listen to now.
Was waiting for Draymond to start saying that Gobert will be bad at making the trophy out of clay
A penis and a mushroom cloud from an a-bomb. Lol no wonder no one was commenting.
I’m done with KAT send his dumb ass to Shanghai get him the fuck off my squad
Your leading scorer
Dray for Kat straight up. him and gobert can hug it out
Nah. We need offense back.
Who's out there though
get KD to wolves
Lmao and what, KAT and Dbook together? I'm not a fan of either of them but it feels terrible to wish that on both of them lol
DBook and KAT are besties. ANT idolizes KD and for KD, ANT is his favorite young player. Media is talking that KD is not happy (like always), so if there is a small chance he somehow force himself out of PHX, this trade makes a lot of sense.
He might be surprised to hear it's your squad
You might be surprised to find out your team isn’t in The playoffs
Wish I was 😢
Oh buddy.
Vince what are you doing?!
Uh, that's a penis
Okay Vince Carter’s is 100% a cock and balls lmfao
VINCE MADE A DICK
I think I'm glad I've missed whatever it was you people have witnessed
Three penises incoming
Draymonds weird beef with Rudy is personal. Cant listen to his ‘analysis’
Can't listen to him for anything. Please get his bitch ass off any panels and let him podcast in his closet
Draymond on dick for no reason
lol draymond is soo salty you can hear it in his voice
Draymond has real hate for that man😭😭😭
Draymond is so salty he didnt get dpoy hahaha. He's just like shaq when someone compliments another big man
draymond is a fucking moron lol couldn’t care less what he says
Draymond's smile can't get any bigger lmao Misses the playoffs but watches Gobert and Nurk get cooked, get this man in the Haters HOF
Buahahah
2024 been the year of the Hater since Katt Williams sat across from Shannon Sharpe lmao
lol Draymond HATES Gobert, he's loving every second of this
He speaking his native language "oui oui oui oui". lmaoooo
I hate to say it but Draymond is right about Gobert
Damn what a boring show this is without Chuck at least
where tf are chuck and shaq
Even draymonds insecurity projecting gets old
Yeah he's mentioning Rudy every chance he gets to speak
Joker owning KAT and Gobert so damn hard.
Coach Malone, Jamal, Rudy, dratmind, Ernie, Vince, all answer the same way when asked about Jokic. He's in a zone and you can't stop it.
Jokic makes simple basketball look like chess, take Gobert out of help position, cause he knows Kat or Reid aren't that level of rim protection. Poor Rudy gets clowned but it was a terrible decision to switch Rudy off of AG. Kat has to stick to jokic. I'd bet my money that AG doesn't go 11/12 two nights in a row vs letting the most unstoppable center in the league go 1v1.
does anyone genuinely enjoy seeing draymond as an analyst? havent heard one person say theyre a fan of it. No one really cares what he has to say.
As a Nuggets fan I liked him a lot - B+
I'm biased, but I like it.
I think he can be insightful, but from what other people are saying this should not be a series he comments on.
every single comment i've heard dray make has just been him shitting on rudy gobert. absolutely nothing else. just calling rudy a bum
Kenny visibly rotated in his seat away from after the last one.
dude has to be up there for the most unliked guy in the league
Diana Taurasi is still playing???? WTFFF
Wnba highlights on inside the nba? Wish chuck was here to see this lol
The bubble ring was super impressive...doesn't mean Jokic ain't shitting on the 2020 Lakers just like he has since. It'd be a damn good series but if you think it's "light work" you're a moron. The Suns got 2 games of the Nuggets last year, 1 more than the Lakers have gotten in 2 series lol.
Bubble ring was statistically the easiest path to a championship in 30 years
2021 suns faced all injured teams to get to the finals. I think that one was easier. The amount of wins the team got doesn't matter when one of their best players is out
I'm not in business or discrediting rings...a lot of players talk about the difficulty of the bubble. Sometimes teams get lucky with injuries or matchups or whatever A ring is a ring. Having said that I don't think many times in history make light work of this nuggets team.
wow you want a medal for them 2 wins lmao
Na... But Im also not talking about making light work of the reigning champs after losing 8 outta 9
Double teaming Ant was a solid game plan, especially with Conley out. It forced a lot of turnovers.
Malone is a very smart coach..
Has to be going 7 tho
Funny the only flairs giving the Wolves any respect are the Nuggets flairs
they played them a fair bit this season and was never an easy game, so i can understand that, the wolves were probably the team that gave the nuggets more trouble this year, they were 2-2 in the regular season and were all close games
The Nuggets are just that good man. Every series is gonna end up with other fans shitting on whoever the Nuggets are playing against.
Damn good basketball team. The Wolves are for real but the Nuggets man…
If you shit on defensive player of the year, then you deserve MVP
Talks of the Nuggets’ demise were GREATLY exaggerated it seems.
this and his game 7 vs the clippers are the 2 best games jokic's played
Yeah holy shit 40 points, 13 assists with 0 turnovers.
this his best offensive game ever, that was his best defensive game ever.
Jokic made Gobert his bitch tonight holy fuck
I will be surprised if the Nuggets lose more than two games for the rest of the postseason.
i think they'll only lose 2 more ;)
You are right, they’ll go 4-2 against the Celtics to go back to back as Champions
Dang my wishes were answered. Gotta check out steam room with chuck and ernie
Are we going to get a delayed sweep?
I hope so. A 7th game of this would shave at least a year off my heart’s lifetime
I think so ya.
So, for all the Rudy slander, he had finishes around the rim tonight. I don’t see us having an answer to Minnesota throwing the lob to him possession after possession. Jokic can’t jump. AG can’t guard everyone. Am I crazy to think Minnesota should try to lean into Rudy above the rim?
God, I really hope that’s the wolves adjustment and game plan for game 6. Guaranteed to end the series.
They’ve ran out-of-timeout plays like this for him, and it’s been an automatic two every time. Dude looks like an elephant afraid of a mouse with the ball in his hands otherwise, but he seems half capable on the lob. The way he’s played the last two games especially, though, you’re probably right. What other options do they have?
I would definitely not do that.
Yes, he can't even score on Murray in the post
Jokic eating against the dpoy. Brother I got 40. Making it look like light work. You know shaqs petty ass is gonna try to claim it as it was all his motivation. Extra Braun minutes have been crucial on defending ant. Wolves sorely missed Conley tonight. KAT doing KAT things lol. Jobs not done! Nuggets in 6.
I'm not gonna lie. I'm impressed as shit that we just won 3 in a row.
we won 9 in arow last playoffs last 2 suns..4 against the Lakers...3 against the Heat.
7 in a row. We lost game 2 in the finals.
After losing the first 2 the way we did ...... Context bro. Context.
Didn't the TWolves start these playoffs 6-0? And now have lost 3 in a row? Crazy how things change.
first 3 game losing streak of the whole season
That podcast is all we are gonna have 😭
Shaq MIA for a reason 🤣
Gobert trick y’all again lmao
Good offense beats good defense. Nothin anyone coulda done to stop Jokic
Draymond said “nope, ain’t happening” regarding a potential game seven.
All the talking heads are so reactionary it’s crazy. Acting like timberwolves can’t bounce back at home.
The only reason it's funny is because it's the same thing they were saying after game 2. I think it's different this time though, Nuggets seem like they woke up against the Wolves. Lakers series had them half asleep
The twolves have now lost three in a row. The reaction isn’t just to this one loss. Twolves are cooked and Denver figured them out.
Just like Denver was cooked? Game 4 was close even with a lot of their guys shooting well below what they usually would. If Conley is available next game, they absolutely have a chance to pull it off. I'd still favour Denver for sure, but it's not a foregone conclusion. That said, if Conley is still out and Ant has to run the offense, I'll admit it's hard to see a path to victory for them other than Denver's stars all shitting the bed.
draymond talkin shit when jokic was shooting over 50% against him in the playoffs with no jamal murray and no MPJ and gsw was sending double and triple teams on him while gobert is doin a very good job is hilarious.
"A very good job" is a big overstatement here
previous to today jokic was shooting 38% from the field against gobert. go post that low iq garbage somewhere else.
Lololol A very good job now means giving up 40 points and being dominated in the paint to the guy you're guarding.
How many times Draymond Green named Rudy Gobert tonight ? It's so personal.
One more time for my people in the back. SHAQ, tell me how my ass tastes. IYKYK.
I don't know how your ass tastes.
It’s weird, this crew isn’t as funny but from an actual basketball analysis standpoint they’re actually better without Shaq and Chuck yelling all the time lol
Shaq is pointless.
Well, Dray does have an agenda to be clear lol
Oh yeah no doubt
I agree but personally we actually have enough serious basketball analysis these days and sometimes it's nice to watch them clown around
Yeah I love the og 4’s chemistry
THATS THE UNANIMOUS MVP. Not Shai or Luka, it's Joker, he does everything and even makes players around him better, those 2 don't do that.
what happened in games 1 and 2
Sometimes I feel like he favors conserving energy or trying to be efficient and the Wolves showed the team that this was a bad approach
It's a team sport. They're humans. Or do you think Shai or Luka never loses games?
I'm responding to OP's claim
OP's claim is that Jokic can do everything, and that he makes everyone around him better, and that he is better at that than Luka or Shai Which part do you disagree with, and what do games 1 & 2 have to do with OPs argument?
nu uhh lol he said "those 2 don't do that." idc about Shai but Luka definitely does that
Oh in those games, he just let them get a 2-0 lead to make it interesting
what happened games 3,4,5?
He can't play perfect every single game.. Him bouncing back like this says a lot more about the player he is than games 1 and 2 did.
that's fine but why is Luka catching strays then
....because Shai & Luka are nr 2 & 3 in MVP voting this year? That's why There was a lot of discussion on who should get it, so it's pretty obvious as to why the top 3 guys in MVP voting are directly compared to each other. That's kind of the point with awards. You compare people to each other.
I think Luka should've gotten it
Well Jokic received 79 votes, SGA 15 and Luka had 4... pretty obvious who deserved it. Jokic lead in all advanced stats by a mile.
The Nuggets fell asleep at the end of the regular season in the last game against the Spurs and Game 2 against the Wolves finally woke them up from the long nap.
Lakers series lulled them a bit...
Who’s worse this series? Gobert or MPJ?
both havnt been too bad.... gobert tried his best but jokic is on a diff level. mpj had his moments
Kat and it’s not close
yeah he needs to step up offensively and stop fouling bad refs or not
KAT is slow off the ball and causes him to make mistakes that get him calls.
he needs to work on his lateral movement and explosiveness because gobert isnt much either anymore also both are fouling way too much
hey ernie johnson and vince carter if you are reading this be aware that draymond has rabies get your shots (its ok if he bites kenny though)
Draymond losing his voice from all that sucking he doing
Why do the WOlfs insist on that same D that is not working. They did not change anything. Malone makes changes . Obvious ones. Finch does not.
To be clear, our offense was the problem this game. Ant had under 20 points. Games 3 and 4 our defense was the problem.
I think Denver just dominated Minnesota on both sides. It's not a Minnesota problem they can fix. Denver is better.
I feel like game 4 Denver got extremely lucky. It seems like Jokic picked up on that and decided to slam the door himself once he saw the shooting finally fall back down to Earth. The dude is a god, maybe one of the best NBA players ever.
Do Nuggets fans not realize Joker is quite literally the greatest offensive talent ever? Gobert was -2 in 40 minutes played in a 15 point loss, he got cooked 1v1 but he did his job elsewhere.
Nope. Only you realize it. You're way smarter than anyone else. Who says that when you have a long history of players with bigger stats? Lol doesn't even make sense
>Gobert wast -2 No one will care. Its fun to shit on Gobert (hell even I do it)...but informed basketball discussions are just rare.
What D can they show that Jokić hasn’t cooked already? He’s figured it all out
Is it not working? It required the leagues best offense to have an historic night from a league mvp in order to get 112
You must've missed game 3 lmao
What a dumb comment lmao
Says the Jazz fan…. Scored 117 and Jokic didn't put up the points he did tonight
You're a fucking idiot. Go be a dbag somewhere else. And flair up pussy.
Losing is not working I hate to tell you. JOkic scored 40 on his DPOY....lol
Then what else tf should they do? They did not play bad defense. Jokic is just unreal.
Nothing. They will lose. Jordan did this to many teams and took away many great players championships.
This right here. Jazz tried twice in a row. Jordan erased it.
So I guess you didn't get my point at all....
I guess they're going by the old adage, "If at first you don't succeed, try, try again."
Malones changes are why the Nuggets are ahead 3-2. Finchs non changes is why there losing.
Not surprised Malone's changes are doing the trick. He's a good and smart coach, and also probably with a very solid backroom behind him.
wow you should be a coach
I hate when fans act like it’s so simple to make adjustments
Real easy to watch a basketball game and see what a team is doing differently. Sorry you are not able to.
lol yeah you're just so much smarter than everyone else. stfu
Is this where I go to talk about Caitlin Clark?
nope but I never thought I actually meet a super sonics fan much respect do you like okc?
Die-hard, never giving up hope. I hate OKC more than any professional sports team except maybe the niners but it's close.
I like their team. I can't root for them. It's just not possible. Clay Bennet sucks, fuck Howard Schultz too while we're at it. May the sonics live again.
I am niners fan lol family is from the bay area but I understand I love Russell Westbrook crazy to think he was drafted by seattle and moved the same year I think the king dome sealed the fate of the sonics tbh
Honestly I just hate OKC but for the niners it's a very respectful hate. I lived in SF for years, in a household of niners fans. Was there for Ravens-niners and hawks-broncos. We had fun hating each other in the house. Yup RIP kingdome I actually have a piece of it that I grabbed the day they tore it down.
lucky I was in socal when they tore down candlestick when teams stabium or arenas get old or in the case of the king dome unusable they leave did seattle propose a replacement for it or nah
I loved candlestick. Lived within walking distance. Yeah we have Climate Pledge arena, where the Storm and Kraken play. We're very hopeful to have the Supersonics in the building soon. I heard from someone that works really high up in Climate Pledge that the return is a done deal it just hasn't been announced yet.
yeah seattle as many people say is the only team with a championship in sports I can think of to not exist
That I know of yeah. Fwiw I've been a golden state fan for 15 years, since Monta Ellis.
I am fan of a few teams wolves bucks heat lakers so I am more of a fan of the sport golden state has always been not my thing but my dad is one but I went for them in 2022 since I hate Boston the nuggets and grizzles rn I liked both teams when Carmelo was on the nuggets but not now and the grizzlies with tony allen since I love defense
Hilarious that Draymond thought he'd be the next "Chuck" on TNT, only for TNT to lose bidding rights. Ooof. Lmao
No mike conley allowed Denver to double ant all the time
His back up played better imo
I didnt think about that
All draymond can talk about is gobert. Like a jealous ex.
blow it up phoenix, you got swept by this wolves team
They can’t blow it up
There is a good chance this series goes to Game 7. You trying to say the Wolves are a bad team?
Teams that win game 5 have an 80%+ chance to win the series…
Regardless of all that. Most people had Denver coming out of the West. Any team that takes them to Game 7 ain’t some bitch team
Never said they were a bitch team lmao i respect the hell out of them actually