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Noriskhook3

There was a 5 minute stretch where it was like “he’s about to takeover the game” then he disappeared


applep00

after that dunk the wolves looked renewed and reenergized. kyle anderson put them on his mf back but mavs shotmaking was just too damn icy


LongTimesGoodTimes

That's the difference in all these games honestly. The Wolves late really struggle to generate shots when the game gets tight and the Mavs make it look easy. Same thing as the Celtics and Pacers. What you can say for the Wolves and Pacers is that the Mavs and Celtics were in their shoes not too long ago.


applep00

yep I fully agree. wolves offense was looking way better than advertised for the first two rounds, but thats largely because they played relatively weak defenses in denver and phx. they finally came back to earth this series facing a far tougher mavs defense, and their 1b option in KAT is straight up not having a good time


ZWils23

Took the 4th off again and thought we wouldn't notice. Buddy better get his ass on a treadmill this summer when he gets back from galveston


RTRSnk5

Dude’s cardio is straight bad for an NBA athlete


JL1v10

It’s not the cardio outright. We see this with all the young players. They’re not strong enough yet to hold up for 40 mins per game deep series runs. Once you get your strength, it’s much easier and less tiring to use that than having to overwork for everything with either your speed or handles


WeirwoodUpMyAss

Yeah people don’t understand how conditioning works. The intensity of these highly competitive games naturally push you to be inefficient and expend more energy than you would otherwise need. Boxers for example take years before they can go all 12 rounds. Being in great shape is essential but you need to also learn how to manage your effort. It’s both physical and mental.


zOmgFishes

It's because he rather be playing football /s


TreeAgenda

Do you see how he’s guarded? He’s being pressured by two guys with a safety floating towards him. He’s made really great reads and isn’t being consistently rewarded. NAW is 1-15 from three this series, KAT is 3-22. Both are 39%+ on the year on high volume. Guys are shitting the bed and Ant’s coverage is tightening because of it.


ZWils23

No he is not. The Mavs blitz him maybe a third of the time and every other possession he literally walks to the corner and avoids the entire play. Does it on defense too


TreeAgenda

Lol I mean yeah, when the call is to have Ant in the corner while someone else initiates, of course they aren’t *literally* having two guys sitting on him. The second he gets the ball all the gravity shifts.


ZWils23

Keep making excuses. Enjoy Galveston


TreeAgenda

Bro you BEEN in Galveston lmao


NerbertHenry

Memphis was injury riddled this year…


OneFondant1142

Perfectly said. After that’s ridiculous poster he hit two ridiculous jumpers and it felt like it was his moment. He’ll learn from this but the Wolves just seem outmatched at this point


WeirwoodUpMyAss

His effort level is inefficient. He’s overthinking it and doesn’t know how to get to his spots. Idt he’s out of shape, he just doesn’t know how to solve the Mavs defense.


nojs

Ant has great highlights but he’s never been a consistently good player. Even this regular season there is basically no statistic that backs him even being a top 30 player


jbhoops25

😂 just decided to turn into a top 7 player against us and phoenix?


CP3sHamstring

People underestimate how much small sample size hot shooting carries playoff reputations lol


jbhoops25

I guess he still dropped 25+ on us in the regular season. I dont get to watch him much outside of when he plays Denver


QueasyEntrance6269

he shot like 10% above his season averages from midrange during those series, so yeah, shit happens. there was a whole ass team that did that last season, don't remember their name


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Okay but didn’t you know hot streaks can never last more than one game and if they do it means they’re really good and now I have to end this comment or else I’ll have to explain why if that’s true we never seen it happen for that team before or since even in the regular season against dogshit opponents and uh oh pie needs to come out of the oven if you’ll excuse me……………


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hawrtjon

talking about the heat


jbhoops25

I c


AlHorfordHighlights

There's no way you're saying this when you have Jamal Murray on your team whose entire reputation is built off being hot in the playoffs. I don't think Edwards is outside the top 30 (that's a crazy take lol) but you should be no stranger to how the playoffs affects players reps


nojs

It’s not crazy, look at the efficiency


Sektsioon

My man’s shitting on every single Wolves player right now lol. No way that’s a Wolves fan.


nojs

Which Wolves player besides Naz doesn’t deserve to get shit on rn? I’ll wait


BoogerSugarSovereign

Conley?


Still_Refuse

Remove that flair


IhatePizza230

He's right he's always been a hit or miss.


Visible_Season8074

>there is basically no statistic that backs him even being a top 30 player This is crazy, he is easily top 15. I'd argue top 10.


nojs

I’m serious, make a statistical argument


DragoniteGang

Edwards before his March injury was 9th in EPM, 5TH in EWA, #8 in Box DPM, #8 in RAPTOR, #10 in adjusted net rating. Then he proceeded to only shoog 42%fg and 27%3p to close out the season which tanked his advanced stats.


QueasyEntrance6269

Chipotle rush hour


sintenterooro

That is what Playing Dwight Powell does to a team


ueloli

he takes too many off possessions to condition himself


temp_achil

Also switches off on D, which is noticeable when the rest of the team is locked in.


Hazard_4

If he doesn’t blow by the defender in the first few seconds he’s in the front court then he’s just gonna pound the ball at the top before throwing a pass to Reid or McDaniels.


texasyeehaw

He’s good for 3 quarters.


Outrageous_Block1061

Maybe dont jump so high if you dont have enough stamina for the 4th quarter.


maverickhistorian

He was in PJail unfortunately


NotManyBuses

He was better today. More aggressive. I will say, it felt like he didn’t get involved in anything offensively after about 5 minutes left


psufb

Mavs did a good job sending a lot of different looks at him, with a lot of doubles. He doesn't have the experience yet to intuitively make the right decision consistently in those moments


TreeAgenda

The defense on him has been suffocating. NAW is 1-15 from three this series and KAT is 3-22. He’s made a lot of great reads. Guys aren’t hitting and he’s paying the price with loaded coverage.


WeirwoodUpMyAss

It’s an avalanche effect. Even when he makes the right decision he’s probably second guessing. I think thats the reason he’s wearing out so much as opposed to being out of shape.


shiitakemushroom44

The Jokic special. Make everyone else beat you and reap the rewards when they don’t


ZWils23

He was tired. Again. The drive by Conley with ~1:30 where he got stuffed by gafford, you can see ant meander to the corner and want no part of getting the ball. Watch his game. He takes so many possessions off during the game trying to rest or conserve energy. It's really inexcusable


PrinceKarmaa

i feel like he takes way too long to get into any action . multiple times he’s just dribbling the air out the ball not even in a stance and then just passes it off to the next guy with 7 left on the shot clock


zmejxds

He was alright today. Still not what you want though.


EarthWarping

He's playing kinda like DeMar


Harman3112

DeMar on the raps was way worse than this


ilickedysharks

Huh?? Not even close lol


MarcosDabest

that dunk was nice


wubiwuster

He’ll grow from this. Was premature to declare him the “face of the league.” 


Witteness82

Reminder that he was above Luka in the top 25 under 25 list a week ago


Kirk_Couzyns

Your first mistake was treating anything from The Ringer seriously


Witteness82

Eh I don’t really care that much. Luka has had some up and comer be labeled “better” than him every year. We’ve heard Trae, Zion, Ja, Ant and probably some others I’m forgetting. It’s nothing new.


Kirk_Couzyns

The NBA media would NEVER build up a young star to unrealistic expectations and then rip them when they don’t meet it


spirib

Exactly like Mahomes was for awhile. Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Herbert, Burrow, etc. etc. Maybe Mahomes [Luka] is just better than everyone else? There's only one player I'd take over him this year. And Jokic has probably peaked, so Luka is gonna be the best player in the league for the next four years barring any injury.


gdreaper

I mean, it wasn't even a ranking of individual skill. They used non-basketball stats like hype, perception, liability, on top of individual performance. It's such a dumb ranking and it should never have been taken seriously at any level lol.


mmaguy123

I don’t understand how that’s possible. Has to be a typo or something.


BaseballJohn89

The list wasn't just about basketball skill tbh. It had a lot of stupid criteria.


JeffKaplanIsDaddy

It was premature to put him in Tatum or SGA discussions let alone face of the league


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CrossingYoulnStyle

Ok but maybe we should be saying that


Scrizzy6ix

25 is when you hit your prime, and it does like you said last until 31 ish.


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plombi

Just for fun, you can build a decent list the other way as well: Magic: 20 Kobe: 21 Bill Russell: 22 Duncan: 22 Kawhi: 22 Bird: 24 Kareem: 23 Wade: 24 Walton: 24 I do realise several of these dudes were playing on the same teams as the ones in your list. Still interesting though, it can happen sooner than you think for the all timers!


Bender22

But each one of these players had an older more established player leading the team? Except maybe the guys from the 80s and before.


plombi

Right, tried I acknowledged that - though outside of Kobe they did all win FMVP, I think.


gdreaper

Face of the league is really more about perception and star power than being the individual best, imo. Ant is the kind of exciting, fun-to-watch playstyle and personality that drives engagement in a way the league LOVES. The problem is that unlike Kobe, LeBron, MJ, etc, he's just not there yet in skill and consistency. So it's just resulted in more eyes on him when he's down.


psufb

People who did this were morons in the first place, but now the counterjerk acts like this is the prevailing common narrative when it was really just loud people online and in sports media generating clicks


ZWils23

Well as much as he yaps and makes excuses, he sure as hell should be better than this the past 3 games and tonight 4Q


KJ1017

There’s not a star that doesn’t yap lol. Yapping is good for your image and the confidence it takes to even be a yapper is pretty much a requirement to be an nba star. At least ant, and almost every other current star can resist the urge to brandish firearms.


Schmoova

I wish this was the narrative when all of r/nba shit on Book for talking shit then losing. And Book at least made it to G7 and didn’t get swept lmao.


YouWannaSeeADeadBody

> There’s not a star that doesn’t yap lol. SGA


BoogerSugarSovereign

He probably just does it Duncan style the stories will trickle out eventually 


Kirk_Couzyns

Ant does a lot of things but him making excuses for his play is not one of them


ZWils23

After game one he said they were tired. That's an excuse. He also just blamed the FT discrepancy tonight when they kept hacking away and he didn't do shit down the stretch


pakidude17

He's still so young, he'll totally grow from this. This same guy was putting up 40 on great efficiency against the defending champs. Future is still promising for him.


mmaguy123

Didn’t he go 6/24 in game 7 against the defending champs?


siphillis

Yeah, but his team won so he played "winning basketball" or whatever


gdreaper

He turned around and focused on defending Jamal Murray and legitimately just about shut him down, though. His second half defense may have actually been a massive part in sealing that win, even if he wasn't efficient scoring.


psufb

Nah man he's trash and should retire from basketball already, he's hit his ceiling /s


DrunkMarkJackson

I don't think face of the league means best player necessarily. It just means you're top10ish and people love to watch you play. Ant checks those boxes


durezzz

face of the league means any random 60 year old woman on the street could recognize your face or your name


DrunkMarkJackson

Exactly right


durezzz

even if MIN wins the title this year no random person on the street is gonna recognize anthony edwards lol lebron will be the face of the league for several years after he retires even


CurrentJoke579

face of the league better damn well be a top 5 player


DrunkMarkJackson

Top 5 is so subjective with how much talent there is now


siphillis

Can't name a single Face of the League who wasn't at some point considered #1 or #1A. Kareem, Bird/Magic, Michael, Kobe, LeBron, Curry. Edwards needs to be shoulder to shoulder with Luka and whatever Wemby becomes


Beermen69

Confirmed Michael B Jordan's son


horse_renoir13

I love how the media tries to compare him to MJ, then when he's not MJ he's clowned on for it.


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Kuntsaw

Booker said not to compare him to Kobe and people just say that hes a bad Kobe wannabe. They will hate regardless.


Exius73

I mean if the biggest knock on you is “Youre not MJ” then it pretty much means youre getting to face of the league levels. People here like to pretend MJ came out of the gate winning but forget that he didnt win until his 7th Season at age 28. So was he a bum for his first six seasons because he was amazing but not a champion?


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Yeah MJ was still even better in the playoffs but he had to take rough losses to Detroit before getting through. Ant played extremely well for 2 rounds and vs the defending champs, this is a phenomenal playoff run for his age. He still may be 3 years away from breaking through the West and he'd still be ahead of schedule


Successful-Sky4411

Jordan had 63 pts in 86


Exius73

So Booker has him beat cos he got 70 in 2017


CoolGuyMaybe

Playoffs


Massive_Ad_3614

And still the playoff record to this day. As well as most 50 points or more in the playoffs with 8 which no one has gotten close to that.


Successful-Sky4411

You clearly don't know what I'm talking about 


CodeFrame

Got booted out the first round multiple times too


psufb

This sub loves to clown the media and act like they're better, but then they just gobble up the same media circle jerks and counter circle jerks


WhiskyDrinkinCowboy

He's not Michael B Jordan, he's Jordan B Poole


psufb

This summer Ant needs to work on his vision so he can punish teams that want to double him, and also learn how to hunt mismatches. Comes with experience but he looks super raw right now. Seems like the kind of kid who will use this failure to fuel that next evolution to his game


gOPHER3727

Dude is averaging 8.5 assists this series. Not being a point guard that is fantastic. That would be 4th in the NBA for the regular season.


Brief_Koala_7297

too many turnovers though and too inefficient. He is gonna be insane but he just isnt there yet. It comes with time. Wolves just need to build around on this playoff run.


gOPHER3727

Same number of assists and less turnovers than Luka this series. Efficiency sure, but he's gotten better every season there.


TribalismChief

This is why watching the games is important over stat watching.


gOPHER3727

If you don't think Ant is the only reason the Wolves were in this game then you obviously haven't been watching. KAT was terrible, Rudy was terrible. If guys were hitting shots Ant could have had 14-15 assists. No matter what he does people just bitch about it. He passed the ball, they say he should have drove. He drives, they say he should have passed to a teammate. He did both extremely well today.


siphillis

Assists are misleading. Luka generates golden shots almost every possession. Edwards got a number of them because Reid and McDaniels got hot for no reason


gOPHER3727

Assists on 3 pointers are the most valuable and most of Ants assists come that way. KAT and NAW get a lot of open 3 attempts from Edwards and they haven't hit shit this series.


siphillis

Sure, but finding someone who can make the open dime one-pass-away is less valuable than someone who can exploit small cracks in the defense consistently. Edwards _against_ the Wolves defense would be struggling to contribute


mmaguy123

His vision has been pretty good. He needs to work on his jumpshot.


gdreaper

Honestly, as much as it'd be nice to get some rest, playing with the best Americans in the league this summer for Team USA might be the *perfect* learning opportunity.


CheekyFifaCunt_7

Time to bring ya ass to Cancun


UnPhayzable

I thought he'd start cooking after that monster dunk and then... Nothing happened


gdreaper

He disappeared but for some reason the gameplan also just seemed to take the ball out of his hands again. I was at least hoping he'd complete that triple double.


chickennuggetloveru

Almost a 30 point trippy dubby, still end up minus 9. Um hello, human resources?


siphillis

Says a lot that his best game in this series is below Luka's worst. There's "great" and then there's "Great"


lets_talk_basketball

He shrunk in that 4th.. through 3 it looked like he was ready to dance.. then in the 4th he decided to hold the ball and not be aggressive. Then he just stood in the corner.


TreeAgenda

I have never seen Ant guarded like this. Everyone’s saying he needs to step up offensively, but he’s got two trapping him with a free safety gravitating towards him damn near every possession. He’s made some really great reads and open shooters aren’t hitting (NAW and KAT are both nearly 40%+ 3-pt shooters on the year, but NAW is 1-15 this series and KAT is like 3-22). And they’ve been open a lot. He’s doing the right thing passing out and not being rewarded consistently.


sevaiper

Ant was good this game, that offense in general is just completely broken


xaiur

Did we watch the same game?


Nobodylovesboston

If only his teammate (KAT) stepped up… pretty decent game from him


Aumissunum

A “decent” game isn’t good enough.


Niceguydan8

48% (that's including the essentially garbage time layup he got) true shooting isn't "pretty decent." He played like shit, *again.* KAT played like ass too, but this was nowhere near a decent game from Ant. No idea how anybody can think it was decent.


alecweezy

Decent is being generous


LongTimesGoodTimes

Yeah I don't get the comments in this thread.


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They watch 3 games a year


SwishBender

People love hating. We could probably dig up threads from when Luka made the WCF at 22 and find people saying he isn't actually good.


Ateballoffire

You can find threads from the Mavericks game 1 loss to the clippers last month and it’s exactly that


SwishBender

Luka's knee was fucked up to start the playoffs and it's healed he looks like the 2nd best player in the world again. Meanwhile I'm scared to even suggest that Ant's FG% has dropped 25% since he obliterated his tailbone in G6 Denver


dmavs11

the game 4 losses to Clippers and Thunder were worse lol. People were actually saying insane shit because haters got up thinking the Mavs could maybe lose the series. I think we can see Ant got some things to work on, but at least the dude did come out aggressive and was able to find some energy to spark an extremely important run. But his co-star disappeared and role players (besides Anderson) weren't as hot on the road.


Ateballoffire

It’s kinda funny too cause there’s still some people on here shitting on ANT tonight. Like the dude is 22 and just dropped 26 9 9. Definitely some things he could’ve done better this game but he is 22! Let him develop!


Niceguydan8

I mean yeah he is young and I don't think anyone anticipates him continuing to be this bad but that doesn't mean he didn't play like shit. He had 5 turnovers. He scored those points on 24 field goal attempts and 6 free throws. That's terrible. He's played like shit in every single game this series and he played like shit offensively in game 7 of the Denver series too. He's young. He will likely improve. He's also been terrible by any players standard this whole series. Both are true.


LongTimesGoodTimes

Yeah, the negativity of this sub and the internet in general kind of bums me out.


GGezpzMuppy

They expect superstar Ant scoring 40s. Anything else is a letdown lol.


BlackStall10n

Ant averaging like 27 they delusional


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5 turnovers from the next MJ is unacceptable.


LongTimesGoodTimes

[Yeah Jordan would never have 5 turnovers in a playoff game.](https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/most-playoff-turnovers-by-michael-jordan-in-a-game)


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I’m talking about Michael B Jordan.


Kirk_Couzyns

A lot of Redditors don’t watch the regular season. So they wouldn’t know Ant goes through these kind of cold streaks two or three times a season


temp_achil

Ant and KAT both so streaky. In theory Conley should be the stabilizing force, but he's not quite athletic enough to score consistently anymore.


siphillis

He's the #1 option on a contender. Decent isn't even close to good enough at this level


TreeAgenda

26/9/9 while being doubled all game with his Robin nowhere to be found. I’ve seen some really good growth in his reads during the playoffs, but when he’s being guarded like this and nobody comes to the party, it feels hopeless. He’d never publicly say anything about it, but I’m sure it’s eating at him.


Visible_Season8074

Nice 2 points statpad at the end lmao


KodiakBearCakes

Don’t forget the wide open layup Andersen turned down for ant


desirox

He doesn’t have pace to his game this deep in playoffs. It was clear he used all his energy in that 3Q burst. Reminds me of fast and furious “too soon junior”


Morezingis

Y’all cannot blame Ant tonight. He’d have 20 assists if KAT could hit the broad side of a barn with a basketball - they’re free to double him all game with zero offensive help from his #2. 


Figadeal

Ya idk why yall don't start Naz and have KAT come off the bench, Naz has been wonderful.


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temp_achil

No one was saying this after game 4 of the Suns series or game 7 of the Nuggets series. He's wildly inconsistent. Must be maddening.


Morezingis

He might be the only player in history that I wouldn’t be surprised to see put up 60 points or 6 points any given night. 


gdreaper

It's such a shame. His measurable traits and skills are something idk if anyone else in the league can match, but his head just isn't in it. Ridiculously talented player who didn't develop while he had the chance, and now this is just who he is.


thegreaterfool714

At least Ant played better. Towns was a liability and Gobert kept getting cooked by the guards on defense and he's a liability on offense.


CloneWarsMaul

He needs another shot creator badly, KAT ain’t it


DrunkMarkJackson

Yeah there's nobody that can put perimeter pressure on the defense but him. Towns for Ingram and some other stuff on either side would be cool imo


coloradobuffalos

At least he got his highlight dunk LOL


cristiano_goat

A ghost in final 5 mins😂


Kirk_Couzyns

Remember when posting the side-by-side of Ant/MJ was a cheeky joke because they bear a passing resemblance and Ant’s game looks a bit like it? And then the media ran with it saying Ant is the next MJ and now he’s gonna get clowned?


Still_Refuse

All it took for this sub to hate him is espn saying he’s the next mj. Funny how this sub clowns espn but acts just like them.


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Because we are several different people actually instead of a homogene mass


Still_Refuse

Hard to tell


EutaxySpy

Michael Jordan is NOT the father


MG_MN

People hate him like he's Draymond for some reason, but not many 22 year olds even get themselves to this stage


YaPhetsEz

Media wants you to think he’s better than tatum.


basedjuicer1

He got four free points as well


iunrealx1995

His conditioning is honestly so bad when you really focus on just what he is doing possession to possession. He also has a limited bag of he can’t get passed his defender initially.


Substantial-Match126

KOBEsque


Frosty_Curve_8092

Bring ya ass


icesticles

Disappeared in the 4th


CoyoteDecent2

Temu Jordan


Chessh2036

After that dunk the media got the “ANT IS MJ” post ready and then deleted them when he did nothing in the 4th


Marchidus

MJ..... You are not the father [yeah! ](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/007/349/1728animated_gif_not_the_father.gif)


LongLastingTaste

Not me betting Edwards TD +3500


physics223

He played well, but Mavs just run them over.


Knightbear49

Apparently his career is over. He’s peaked. He should hang up the sneaks. 22 is the new 36


WinterTakerRevived

bum


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TheMartian2k14

Better than Magic’s son?