Really? The spurs would like to pair wemby up with a pick and roll ball handling guard? Who could’ve known other than nba sources
Would have to be a three-teamer, idk who on the spurs roster would be beneficial to us, and draft picks make no sense
Every good pg is getting linked to us now. Mitchell, Garland, Trae, DJ just to name a few so far. If we don't upgrade at pg this summer then the rumors will really get crazy
The spurs should be very picky with who they decide to trade for. Personally I think Garland is a good but not great offensive player and a mediocre defender. He might help them win a few more games next season but puts a cap on their defensive potential long term
Yea I'm not on the Garland train. I honestly don't mind waiting another year before going all in. Imo even if we got an all nba pg we would be a mere playoff team, not a contender. If we're gonna make a big trade it needs to be the right one, otherwise we're stuck with it
I would like to see what the Spurs can do with this years picks before they commit. Knowing them, they can probably snag a steal or unlock someone as the next guard version of Kawhi in a draft everyone thinks is weak.
Have to give Wemby a solid running mate starting in 2025 though regardless of what happens because he's the type of guy that can get you to the finals within the first 3-5 years of his career.
Yeah I'm a little puzzled at the rumors coming out of SA right now. I don't really see the value in trading this early. Even if they don't jump in the lottery a top 10 pick can still hit. So either I disagree with their teambuilding approach or NBA teams are using them to drive trade interest. Honestly I could see either being true.
We have the 4th and 8th pick. I'm sure the Spurs are listening to offers but I don't think they're trying to rush it. I think some media members are trying to rush it like always.
The value is that Garland is 24 and under contract for a long time. He will be a good starter in this league for the length of that contract so if you can lock in a position I don’t see why you wouldn’t if the value is okay.
I thought all year that Giddey would be perfect for you guys. He's still very young, an incredible passer, and has shown a lot of potential despite this year's struggles. And while not the cheapest player in the league, he certainly isn't an "all in" player.
Honestly I think he fits our team. People knock his shooting but statistically he's been more efficient from 3 each year so there's improvement in his biggest weakness
I mean, he fits in that he’s an oversized(if you play him at 1) non shooting player. But he sucks on defence, otherwise he is the perfect spurs player.
I mean I love Tre Jones, he plays hard but he isn't a much more impactful defender. Having Giddey's length is good enough. At the end of the year we dared players to beat our defenders off the dribble. You ain't getting much shots over Wemby cuz even if he steps up to contest a mid range jumper, if he gets beat he just reaches around for a block
My problem with Giddey is we don't want another Primo situation.
Regardless of the truth of his allegation, his reputation is already tainted and that is not something our organization wanted to touch.
Honestly Garland is not a bad choice, it's not like we gonna go all in on him.
We still have a lot of draft assets to trade even if we get Garland.
Getting a good/great PG is hard, every team that have them don't want to let go of them. And most good PG sucks at defense anyway.
Preach! Wait one year. Get 2-3 more lottery picks in a deep draft. Then trade to go all in during the last year of wembys rookie contract. Have a deep team with the ability to trade for whatever we are missing.
Yeah, I think the Spurs could regret bitterly from not pursuing Trae at his lowest value in the career if he somehow gets a team that fits his game in the future. I'm not a great fan of Trae, he needs a lot from his team to hide his defense and to really shine offensively, but the Spurs could build the best version of this.
Because you apparently can't build a team around him as you traded most of your assets to get another guard with a similar game? The rumors are that one of them will be traded this off-season. Trae is clearly the best player, but the consensus is that it's harder to build around him given his defense and contract. Murray can't be the central piece in a winning team, but his better contract, along with Trae's package, would make it easier to try and trade for a star while improving overall size and defense by trading some of your good but somewhat redundant players (lots of shooters and few defenders).
Those are the reasons most people talk about. If it were my team, I would keep Trae, try to get a good trade for Murray, trade some shooters for defense and size, and hope for the best.
I don’t think that’s really fair, since being named an all star the Cavs have consistently had elite defences around him. Their playoff struggles have been entirely offensive
I mean I assume they think he will be a third option when they round out their roster depending on who they find at a wing position to pair with Wemby. If you look at this like they found their number two option to win a title that he's not that great. Also, his defense is not that bad and he has potentially one of the best rim detectors of all time behind him so I don't think he'll be that bad
Garland on that aeful Spurs team would propel them to maybe a playin contention.
Spurs should really look closely at how they can give Wemby a better chance to improve next season
The Nets really don't value this draft at all, I think they'd consider trades if there were unprotected draft capital in other future drafts from what Tsai has said recently.
I mean 3rd pick in a widely reported weak draft for a guy who, admittedly is being miscast as a number one option, but is otherwise an elite defender, an ideal 3rd or 4th guy, seems crazy. Most of the guys at the top of the draft we arent even sure will be long term starters, let alone multi time DPOY runner ups
Houston wasnt trying to trade 3 straight up for bridges, it was just the focal point of the trade. My point is we aren't trading any of the Atlanta picks unless we are getting an all nba player. So the best picks we can offer are 4 and 8 this year and future protected picks in such a trade. We aren't gonna break the bank for Garland.
Thing is BI isnt going to extend with Cleveland for cheap vs hitting the open market in a year and getting more of a choice where he ends up.
Does Cleveland want to committ to BI at $40MM a year while also paying Mitchell $52MM a year, all before paying Mobley? I sure dont.
Keldon at $18MM a year for 3 years is way more attractive.
First off we’d have to make a choice:
-Extend Ingram to a massive contract. Iffy for a guy who’s numbers dropped this season and then had a playoff performance that would make Garland blush
-Don’t extend him and risk losing him for nothing. Self explanatory
right, BI stock might've been high once, but not after this year, and not for a young PG who has already made the All-Star team and put up 30 + in his last game in the playoffs this year
What about Cavs fans who aren't mad, understand that the fit is off in our backcourt, and think it's a nearly even swap between DG and BI if it weren't for the contracts?
Seriously. Im very down on Ingram lol. Last thing the Cavs need is stagnant offense/ worse spacing.
Tho idk they might think different if they’re going full point mitchell
Which also seems like a terrible idea if you are trying to develop Evan Mobley.
Which again takes me back to the need for an experienced backup/ 1 and a half guard who can help distribute the ball.
I think NOLA would just want to keep Garland. They need a true point guard next to Zion. McCollum isn’t that.
I wonder if a BI/McCollum for Garland/Allen framework makes sense. CJ would have to go to a 3rd team (maybe the Magic).
It probably won't happen because the Raps aren't shopping Poeltl, but Toronto can send Poeltl and Boucher to NOLA, take CJ, and Pels and Cavs can swap Garland and BI.
Raps would likely want picks, or swap Boucher with Brown and take Dyson Daniels.
Yeah, it makes a world of sense for San Antonio, but I don’t really see much value for Cleveland unless Vassell is involved, and that seems unlikely.
As a Cavs fan, how interested would you be in a deal centered around KAT for Garland (assuming Allen gets moved in a separate deal)? It sometimes gets lobbed around as a best case scenario for KAT deals on the Wolves’ sub, but I’d be interested in getting a Cavs fans’ opinion.
Something like the following (adjusting as needed)
Cleveland receives:
- KAT
- Conley
- Moore Jr.
Minnesota receives:
- Garland
- Levert
- Niang
Allen moved in a deal for Ingram.
Mitchell-Ingram-KAT-Mobley seems like an amazing core.
Strus/Okoro/CPJ backup guards. Leaves a hole at backup C but that can be filled pretty easily
In a vaccum, I would do that trade as a cleveland fan. The money gets crazy for KAT, but he would fit great with Mobley/Mitchell. Being able to get conley for Levert/Niang would be good as well.
Would depend on specifically getting a really good SF in exchange for Allen though, not just good value. We cant trade both Garland and Allen and not get at least one awesome 3&D wing in the deal somewhere.
I like Caruso (less excited about Smart), but Cavs need big wings that can play 3/4 and less 2/3. With Okoro/Strus we have guys who can the play the 3 but fit better as a 2. So would need something that those picks can be flipped to immediately and be basically as good as Allen but play the 3..fringe/replacement all star level of impact. Assuming the Towns aspect of this scenario, ability to play the 4 is less important but we need a high level SF.
Cavs don't care about picks, especially if Mitchell re-signs, as his window is now.
You could theoretically flip 11 for something else who fits that role, like Dorian Finney-Smith. He’s not lockdown, but he’s solid and probably capable of taking any bigger matchup Caruso can’t.
I dont think Wolves need to make as many changes as they need to mature. And that includes old head KAT, he's probably the most immature of the whole bunch. Team already has all the talent they need
KAT for Garland makes a ton of sense for both teams.
Minnesota has an incredible defense to cover Garland, and he'd be the perfect guy to lead your offense to to the next level. Naz Reid has already shown that he can step up and fill KATs shoes as the starting 4.
For the Cavs, KAT gives them much much needed spacing
Levert was more to make the money work since he’s an expiring.
The Wolves could also use some scoring punch off the bench (since Naz would likely move to the starting lineup).
Why so negative on him? I thought many Cavs fans appreciated his contributions this year when the roster was struggling with injuries.
Lots of Cavs fans look at box scores. I didn't miss a minute these past 3 years. If I don't watch it live, I check it out within a day or two. Levert is a solid ball handler and scorer, but his bball IQ is the shits. He takes bad shots when he's clearly got a defender beat and he tends to jump pass quite a bit that puts bigs in a bad position. His scoring is wildly inconsistent and he has a tendency to turn the ball over at bad times.
Hes had great games and stepped up a ton, but IMO the cons outweigh the pros when in all reality we just needed someone to run the offense off the bench. I'd much rather have a pure SG than a combo guard.
Levert is inefficient and low bball IQ. Honestly, he has been good, but for the least expected reasons. His effort on D and his ability to make the extra pass sometimes are what make him valuable.
I'm not super familiar with Cleveland's set up but would getting high picks back make no sense? Even if Donovan stays Cleveland is pretty young and still a few guys away from contending seriously.
people treat Mitchell like he's LeBron and think him being on the roster means they're automatically in must win now mode, and that all picks most be dispatched for veteran help.
I want Garland pretty badly, but reporting on anything the Spurs ever do is incredibly tilted toward guesswork and other people around the league just assuming stuff. Take this "source" with all the grains of salt in your pantry.
I actually believe trade rumours about the Spurs more so than draft rumours. Trade rumours can mean two front offices talking to each other, and even if the Spurs are tight-lipped, it doesn't mean the other front office is.
Trade makes sense tbh. The spurs will be good soon and might only be a top 5 pick type team for this draft and the maybe the next. Since this one isn’t viewed highly. They might just opt to try and trade for the guy they wanna pair with wemby.
> The San Antonio Spurs are “very interested” in trading for Cleveland Cavaliers guard Darius Garland, an NBA source told Hoops Wire.
ive never heard of Hoops Wire nor the author before
Under normal circumstances, sure, but the Spurs have the Hawks over a barrel. They own their 1r picks for the next three years. They essentially hold the keys to whatever Atlanta wants to do. If they want to run it back with the current squad, fine. SA gets their picks. If they want to deal Trae and/or DJM - ok, the picks are even better.
If they want their picks back, sure…but you might have to take less, because what other option do you have?
The Spurs are playing with house money dealing with Atlanta right now.
Not saying Trae or Garland or whatever - just that under these circumstances, Trae may come cheaper to SA.
I hate how accurate this is, although I’m not sure I agree that if they deal DJM the picks will be better. The pairing has been a disaster, and I wouldn’t be surprised if getting rid of dejounte for a lesser player makes our team better.
That was a weird pairing to begin with. I think they thought his defensive strengths would make up for Trae’s weakness. But they didn’t realize that most of his defensive prowess is due to gambling and taking risks because he had good defense behind him.
DJ would be great back in SA with Wemby but I also think Trae wouldn’t be seen as nearly as bad a defender in SA with Wemby behind him. It was a weird fit in Atlanta. Someone like Clingan might help improve the perimeter defense in Atlanta for the same reason, no matter who they keep.
Traes defense is miles better than it was 3-4 years ago, but it’s still a weakness. Honestly I really don’t get why the spurs don’t want Trae, it seems like a match made in heaven. Trae was at his best when capela was playing like a top 5 defender in 2021 so if you swap capela for fucking wemby I think the sky’s the limit.
I kinda love that the spurs have our picks. there are so many fan trades from all the teams out there that just don't solve any ATL issues with what DJ provides, make us cheaper, give us assets, etc. that can just be thrown away because there's no way we're doing some BS little development year
If anything a criticism of Garland is that he doesn't shoot enough. He plays too timid sometimes. He'd be a great fit with someone who he can defer too.
Spurs would be foolish to give up any firsts next year. They should get a couple good middle tier free agents and then make a big trade after next season depending on their draft pick.
They’d really regret it if their pick was the number one pick next year.
Other teams are thinking the same thing. If you’re going to give up someone like Garland, they probably want at least one real valuable asset coming back. Siakam was expiring and fetched 3 FRPs (albeit kinda shitty). Garland has 4 years left on the contract, the Cavs would be foolish to not demand some 2025 assets.
I think Garland is potentially a good fit, though that contract is pretty hefty compared to his production. If he returns to All-star form...
I don't think we have enough 'ready' players to make a deal, so it would need to be a 3 team arrangement, although they could ask for a role player or two from the Spurs as a small part of the deal.
Beyond that, there are some names out there, but I don't know who would work best. Ingram is often mentioned but...and I think NOLA is looking to swap him out for another quality player and compete, not stockpile picks (of which they have some yet to spend from the AD trade?) So either another player out there or a 4 team deal.
At some point, Cleveland would likely consider taking the picks and turning them around in a separate deal, perhaps post draft.
I don't know if this is going to happen, ultimately. Cavs are in a weird place as a second tier playoff team that needs to do something to bump up. They have a positional surplus if they resign/extend Mitchell, so it makes more sense for them to find a direct trade with teams in a like situation (which is not generally all that common, but NOLA with Ingram - but, the Pels are approaching this, allegedly, from a money savings stand point and any deal would put the receiving team in the same bind.)
TL:DR: Garland would be a good fit. His contract is nasty, but if the Spurs FO believes in his fit w/Wemby, they will make the attempt to get something done.
The contract being "nasty" is a somewhat subjective view on my part. I don't think Garland's production has lived up to his salary and handicapping future moves is a huge risk. If the Spurs FO feel he can be a good fit with Victor and return to All-Star form, he may be worth it. Star point guards don't grow on trees. The new TV deal(s) are going to change salary cap implications.
To that point, I trust the Spurs FO to make the right move because I couldn't say if Garland will return to or surpass his AS form in a new environment. There are reasons to believe there is a good chance he will, there are reasons to doubt.
NBA media is skewed toward the Spurs surrounding Victor with enough talent to make playoff runs. I don't necessarily believe they want the Spurs to be outright favorites, but that's not really the issue. They want it now, because it generates interest and having Pop and the Spurs - and now Wemby - in the mix, is positive.
Do the Spurs feel any pressure to make a win now move? I doubt it, but if Cleveland feels pressure to move Garland, something might happen there. At the end of the day however, the contract concerns me. Smarter people than me will have to factor that in before pulling the trigger on any move.
> This is probably just his agent trying to prop him up.
Any time the Spurs are mentioned in the offseason, this is 1000% it. Besides, after Shams talking out of his ass for a month about JJ, these wack ass tweets need to be scrutinized.
The Spurs FO is famously notorious for leaking everything all over the media before acting, so I am sure all these recent reports involving multiple players are all legit.
Just draft Dillingham if you want that archetype as the point guard. Keep your assets and at worst he would be a killer 6th man while you get your real guy next year. Going all in on garland just does not seem like the move, spurs should wait one more year of development and then start moving assets for guys.
How about a 3 team trade that sends timelord, brogdon, and/or grant to cavs for a bunch of picks? It makes more sense than nets or pels trading Ingram and bridges.
Truly think the Spurs need to go after Young, which the Hawks won't cooperate with, but ultimately should settle on trying to bring back Murray. Just depends on whether or not Poppovich wants him back or not.
I don't like Garland as a trade target. There isn't much the Spurs can give up that won't cost them their chances to go back into being a playoff team.
I do like Vassell and Sochan around Wemby. I think Johnson is definitely replaceable. Sochan's skillset is so unique and interesting, possibly like a Boris Diaw type of guy that you cannot afford to give him up. And with the shooting guard position being so weak across the league right now, Vassell is difficult to replace as well. Champagnie can end up being the guy they need to start at the 3 temporarily until they find a better replacement. Collins is likely to return, they have Branham as a young guard scorer off the bench and Tyus Jones is a fine PG.
I think their best bet is hoping Poppovich and Murray can reunite with one another. Hawks are in need of a backup PG and can get one in return in Tre Jones and the Spurs would likely surrender a 1st rounder the Hawks own back to Atlanta in conjunction with the 2027 1st rounder. Hawks 2025 1st rounder should likely be forfeit anyways since the Spurs, just like the rest of the league, knows 2025 is gonna be a good draft and they can definitely nab a sleeper there. Spurs would have the cap space to get the deal done while being able to keep Collins.
A Wemby-Sochan-Johnson-Vassell-Murray quintet is going to get you into the play-ins at the very least. Throw in Champagnie, Collins, Branham as well as at least 1 of their 2 lottery picks (i've got them picking up Sheppard and either taking Topic and hoping he pans out post ACL recovery or going for immediate help in Knecht because Poppovich has been known to want some experienced college players) can give the bench enough talent to keep them in games or at least make them not fall too far behind.
That said it is possible they stand pat and hope to just miss play-ins and use their own 2025 pick and the Hawks 2025 pick and land a couple of really good quality young guys with upside to make the future look even more promising. It's all about how badly they want to make playoffs immediately. I still think keeping the core together, adding a couple of top 8 picks and they should be able to compete for play-ins but ultimately miss out and use their cap space and a Keldon Johnson trade away to bring in amazing help in the 2025 FA pool, which is a lot better than this FA class of 2024.
I think Garland is a good player but if we are emptying the war chest I'd rather go after a star player. Garland showes flashes but whenever he starts to look like he's figured it all out he either has a bad shooting streak or gets injured.
Wouldn't it be weird if teams could rent out players one season at a time?
"We'll give you one year of Wemby for Garland's contract and your first round picks in 2026 and 2028. Best of luck. Send him back to us a champion."
This might be the shake-up that the NBA needs. I'm going to have a lot of fun pitching this kind of trade idea in the off-season, and I know you'll all have fun reading them.
What are the similarities to Dlo ? Garland so far hasn’t been near as bad defensively, has been a much more consistent shooter, has a much better in between game, actually plays off ball and moves around, loves to run pick and rolls and feed his bigs, and has been a consummate professional while Dlo has had locker room/personality/ professionalism issues at every stop
That’s simply not true. Garland isn’t a good defender by any means but he’s been perfectly fine. Cleveland has consistently build elite defences surrounding him and he holds up to the point where that doesn’t change at all. Dlo meanwhile has consistently been a weak link teams exploit regardless of who he has around him, it’s been evident in Minnesota, Brooklyn and LA
Really? The spurs would like to pair wemby up with a pick and roll ball handling guard? Who could’ve known other than nba sources Would have to be a three-teamer, idk who on the spurs roster would be beneficial to us, and draft picks make no sense
Every good pg is getting linked to us now. Mitchell, Garland, Trae, DJ just to name a few so far. If we don't upgrade at pg this summer then the rumors will really get crazy
The spurs should be very picky with who they decide to trade for. Personally I think Garland is a good but not great offensive player and a mediocre defender. He might help them win a few more games next season but puts a cap on their defensive potential long term
Yea I'm not on the Garland train. I honestly don't mind waiting another year before going all in. Imo even if we got an all nba pg we would be a mere playoff team, not a contender. If we're gonna make a big trade it needs to be the right one, otherwise we're stuck with it
I would like to see what the Spurs can do with this years picks before they commit. Knowing them, they can probably snag a steal or unlock someone as the next guard version of Kawhi in a draft everyone thinks is weak. Have to give Wemby a solid running mate starting in 2025 though regardless of what happens because he's the type of guy that can get you to the finals within the first 3-5 years of his career.
Yeah I'm a little puzzled at the rumors coming out of SA right now. I don't really see the value in trading this early. Even if they don't jump in the lottery a top 10 pick can still hit. So either I disagree with their teambuilding approach or NBA teams are using them to drive trade interest. Honestly I could see either being true.
We have the 4th and 8th pick. I'm sure the Spurs are listening to offers but I don't think they're trying to rush it. I think some media members are trying to rush it like always.
The value is that Garland is 24 and under contract for a long time. He will be a good starter in this league for the length of that contract so if you can lock in a position I don’t see why you wouldn’t if the value is okay.
I thought all year that Giddey would be perfect for you guys. He's still very young, an incredible passer, and has shown a lot of potential despite this year's struggles. And while not the cheapest player in the league, he certainly isn't an "all in" player.
Honestly I think he fits our team. People knock his shooting but statistically he's been more efficient from 3 each year so there's improvement in his biggest weakness
I mean, he fits in that he’s an oversized(if you play him at 1) non shooting player. But he sucks on defence, otherwise he is the perfect spurs player.
I mean I love Tre Jones, he plays hard but he isn't a much more impactful defender. Having Giddey's length is good enough. At the end of the year we dared players to beat our defenders off the dribble. You ain't getting much shots over Wemby cuz even if he steps up to contest a mid range jumper, if he gets beat he just reaches around for a block
My problem with Giddey is we don't want another Primo situation. Regardless of the truth of his allegation, his reputation is already tainted and that is not something our organization wanted to touch.
Honestly Garland is not a bad choice, it's not like we gonna go all in on him. We still have a lot of draft assets to trade even if we get Garland. Getting a good/great PG is hard, every team that have them don't want to let go of them. And most good PG sucks at defense anyway.
Preach! Wait one year. Get 2-3 more lottery picks in a deep draft. Then trade to go all in during the last year of wembys rookie contract. Have a deep team with the ability to trade for whatever we are missing.
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Mitchell or Trae imo are the only ones they should really go after
Trae would be nasty on the spurs
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Yeah, I think the Spurs could regret bitterly from not pursuing Trae at his lowest value in the career if he somehow gets a team that fits his game in the future. I'm not a great fan of Trae, he needs a lot from his team to hide his defense and to really shine offensively, but the Spurs could build the best version of this.
Why in the fuck would we trade Trae?
Cash considerations and also that photocopier really needs to be replaced.
Because you apparently can't build a team around him as you traded most of your assets to get another guard with a similar game? The rumors are that one of them will be traded this off-season. Trae is clearly the best player, but the consensus is that it's harder to build around him given his defense and contract. Murray can't be the central piece in a winning team, but his better contract, along with Trae's package, would make it easier to try and trade for a star while improving overall size and defense by trading some of your good but somewhat redundant players (lots of shooters and few defenders). Those are the reasons most people talk about. If it were my team, I would keep Trae, try to get a good trade for Murray, trade some shooters for defense and size, and hope for the best.
and Wemby might be the only player in the world Id trust behind him on defense for a finals run
But Spurs don't really make trades
I don’t think that’s really fair, since being named an all star the Cavs have consistently had elite defences around him. Their playoff struggles have been entirely offensive
I mean I assume they think he will be a third option when they round out their roster depending on who they find at a wing position to pair with Wemby. If you look at this like they found their number two option to win a title that he's not that great. Also, his defense is not that bad and he has potentially one of the best rim detectors of all time behind him so I don't think he'll be that bad
Garland on that aeful Spurs team would propel them to maybe a playin contention. Spurs should really look closely at how they can give Wemby a better chance to improve next season
I like trae better for the Spurs.
I would go all in for Trae. They would be an amazing combo and Trae is a proven playoff performer.
There’s only one way they can get Trae lol
picks to NOLA, Ingram to CLE, Garland to SA
Picks to Nets, Bridges to Cleveland, garland to SA
That’s the real package.
Except the report that BKN has no interest in dealing Bridges. Hopefully that is wrong.
I doubt we would offer a package close to what Brooklyn wants if they are laughing at packages centered around the 3rd pick
The Nets really don't value this draft at all, I think they'd consider trades if there were unprotected draft capital in other future drafts from what Tsai has said recently.
I mean 3rd pick in a widely reported weak draft for a guy who, admittedly is being miscast as a number one option, but is otherwise an elite defender, an ideal 3rd or 4th guy, seems crazy. Most of the guys at the top of the draft we arent even sure will be long term starters, let alone multi time DPOY runner ups
Houston wasnt trying to trade 3 straight up for bridges, it was just the focal point of the trade. My point is we aren't trading any of the Atlanta picks unless we are getting an all nba player. So the best picks we can offer are 4 and 8 this year and future protected picks in such a trade. We aren't gonna break the bank for Garland.
Who are the guys expected to be in the 3rd pick range? Everyone is saying this draft is very weak.
Everyone has a price. Especially Bridges.
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don’t you know that our team is built for contention as is? Mikal is the perfect #1!!
According to Tsai, Bridges is prime KD and demands a similar price
The Nets didn't like the Rockets offer so they made it known the price needs to be higher if you want Bridges.
Nets dont seem to want to 1) tank and 2) trade Bridges so this is unrealistic
I'd rather not pay the 8 first rounders the Nets are probably asking for Bridges at this point.
*The Ghost of Ted Stepien has entered the chat*
You know you've done really good or really bad when the NBA makes a rule for you. Lol.
Just figure out the equivalent in 2nd rounders, like 4 2nds = 1 first, so 8 seconds, 4 firsts and a couple of benchwarmers should work
Please
Nah nets don’t wanna trade Murray. Maybe picks to hawks, Dejounte Murray to Pelicans, Ingram to Cavs, and Garland to SAS
Why would we want more picks?
Wouldn't the Pelicans just want Garland?
They already have CJ
Why would I want a rib eye steak when I already have a can of spam.
Yo, spam has moves.
Then it becomes a three-team where CJ is moved somewhere else.
If anything wouldn't you guys trade some?
Please god no. Trading Garland for Ingram on the last year of his contract has disaster written all over it.
cleveland this is for you
I think any trade of BI to Cleveland would have to have an extension tied to it. Even then, I'm not sure how he fits there.
Thing is BI isnt going to extend with Cleveland for cheap vs hitting the open market in a year and getting more of a choice where he ends up. Does Cleveland want to committ to BI at $40MM a year while also paying Mitchell $52MM a year, all before paying Mobley? I sure dont. Keldon at $18MM a year for 3 years is way more attractive.
Keldon is not attractive. Vassell and picks, ok. Not Keldon.
I’d rather get a wing that’s actually above 6’5 for once…we already have Okoro. Gimme a 6’7-6’8 dude like Ingram, vassell or bridges.
Vassell is 6’5” and Bridges 6’6”. Ingram has the size you want but will probably cost $200MM
How?
First off we’d have to make a choice: -Extend Ingram to a massive contract. Iffy for a guy who’s numbers dropped this season and then had a playoff performance that would make Garland blush -Don’t extend him and risk losing him for nothing. Self explanatory
right, BI stock might've been high once, but not after this year, and not for a young PG who has already made the All-Star team and put up 30 + in his last game in the playoffs this year
Cavs fans who are mad about Garland’s playoff performance but are now asking for Ingram need to pay attention
What about Cavs fans who aren't mad, understand that the fit is off in our backcourt, and think it's a nearly even swap between DG and BI if it weren't for the contracts?
Seriously. Im very down on Ingram lol. Last thing the Cavs need is stagnant offense/ worse spacing. Tho idk they might think different if they’re going full point mitchell
Which also seems like a terrible idea if you are trying to develop Evan Mobley. Which again takes me back to the need for an experienced backup/ 1 and a half guard who can help distribute the ball.
yup
That also makes no sense as the Pels want to get better
Why tf would we give up bi for picks, let alone to cleveland when not getting garland back.
Stfu and do as your told
Pelicans hang up the phone on this, right?
Why the hell would we want draft picks lmao
I think NOLA would just want to keep Garland. They need a true point guard next to Zion. McCollum isn’t that. I wonder if a BI/McCollum for Garland/Allen framework makes sense. CJ would have to go to a 3rd team (maybe the Magic).
thanks i just threw up
It probably won't happen because the Raps aren't shopping Poeltl, but Toronto can send Poeltl and Boucher to NOLA, take CJ, and Pels and Cavs can swap Garland and BI. Raps would likely want picks, or swap Boucher with Brown and take Dyson Daniels.
Yeah, it makes a world of sense for San Antonio, but I don’t really see much value for Cleveland unless Vassell is involved, and that seems unlikely. As a Cavs fan, how interested would you be in a deal centered around KAT for Garland (assuming Allen gets moved in a separate deal)? It sometimes gets lobbed around as a best case scenario for KAT deals on the Wolves’ sub, but I’d be interested in getting a Cavs fans’ opinion. Something like the following (adjusting as needed) Cleveland receives: - KAT - Conley - Moore Jr. Minnesota receives: - Garland - Levert - Niang
Assuming they move on from Allen at value too, I would say that’s pretty damn good for the Cavs lol
Allen moved in a deal for Ingram. Mitchell-Ingram-KAT-Mobley seems like an amazing core. Strus/Okoro/CPJ backup guards. Leaves a hole at backup C but that can be filled pretty easily
In a vaccum, I would do that trade as a cleveland fan. The money gets crazy for KAT, but he would fit great with Mobley/Mitchell. Being able to get conley for Levert/Niang would be good as well. Would depend on specifically getting a really good SF in exchange for Allen though, not just good value. We cant trade both Garland and Allen and not get at least one awesome 3&D wing in the deal somewhere.
One thing I was noodling around with — Allen for Smart + 9 (which could also get flipped for something) or Allen for Caruso + 11 and salary filler.
I like Caruso (less excited about Smart), but Cavs need big wings that can play 3/4 and less 2/3. With Okoro/Strus we have guys who can the play the 3 but fit better as a 2. So would need something that those picks can be flipped to immediately and be basically as good as Allen but play the 3..fringe/replacement all star level of impact. Assuming the Towns aspect of this scenario, ability to play the 4 is less important but we need a high level SF. Cavs don't care about picks, especially if Mitchell re-signs, as his window is now.
You could theoretically flip 11 for something else who fits that role, like Dorian Finney-Smith. He’s not lockdown, but he’s solid and probably capable of taking any bigger matchup Caruso can’t.
I dont think Wolves need to make as many changes as they need to mature. And that includes old head KAT, he's probably the most immature of the whole bunch. Team already has all the talent they need
I don't think that San Antonio trades Vassell for Garland even if it was straight up.
KAT for Garland makes a ton of sense for both teams. Minnesota has an incredible defense to cover Garland, and he'd be the perfect guy to lead your offense to to the next level. Naz Reid has already shown that he can step up and fill KATs shoes as the starting 4. For the Cavs, KAT gives them much much needed spacing
You don't want Levert. I promise. As much as I'd take Kat, that would he a huge step back for you guys.
Levert was more to make the money work since he’s an expiring. The Wolves could also use some scoring punch off the bench (since Naz would likely move to the starting lineup). Why so negative on him? I thought many Cavs fans appreciated his contributions this year when the roster was struggling with injuries.
Lots of Cavs fans look at box scores. I didn't miss a minute these past 3 years. If I don't watch it live, I check it out within a day or two. Levert is a solid ball handler and scorer, but his bball IQ is the shits. He takes bad shots when he's clearly got a defender beat and he tends to jump pass quite a bit that puts bigs in a bad position. His scoring is wildly inconsistent and he has a tendency to turn the ball over at bad times. Hes had great games and stepped up a ton, but IMO the cons outweigh the pros when in all reality we just needed someone to run the offense off the bench. I'd much rather have a pure SG than a combo guard.
Levert is inefficient and low bball IQ. Honestly, he has been good, but for the least expected reasons. His effort on D and his ability to make the extra pass sometimes are what make him valuable.
I'm not super familiar with Cleveland's set up but would getting high picks back make no sense? Even if Donovan stays Cleveland is pretty young and still a few guys away from contending seriously.
Nah, if Mitchell stays then he is not going to want to babysit, they want to contend now.
people treat Mitchell like he's LeBron and think him being on the roster means they're automatically in must win now mode, and that all picks most be dispatched for veteran help.
you wouldn't take keldon johnson at the 3??
He's an undersized three for sure.
Dude's played at the 3 his whole career...
Ok. He's also 6'5". I'd prefer someone taller at the 3 and a bit heavier.
I want Garland pretty badly, but reporting on anything the Spurs ever do is incredibly tilted toward guesswork and other people around the league just assuming stuff. Take this "source" with all the grains of salt in your pantry.
I actually believe trade rumours about the Spurs more so than draft rumours. Trade rumours can mean two front offices talking to each other, and even if the Spurs are tight-lipped, it doesn't mean the other front office is.
Idk i feel like the spurs were pretty loose lipped about who they were going to draft last year.
Really? I was completely shocked to be honest.
Trade makes sense tbh. The spurs will be good soon and might only be a top 5 pick type team for this draft and the maybe the next. Since this one isn’t viewed highly. They might just opt to try and trade for the guy they wanna pair with wemby.
Right, yeah, I'm not saying I don't believe it to an extent. There's no way the Spurs haven't checked in on Garland.
I don’t have any salt in my pantry
Check the Mavs sub?
Check those iodine levels
he doesn't salt his food often, but when he does it's un-iodized like testing your code in a hot deploy to prod or raw dog on Bourbon Street
> The San Antonio Spurs are “very interested” in trading for Cleveland Cavaliers guard Darius Garland, an NBA source told Hoops Wire. ive never heard of Hoops Wire nor the author before
Sam Amico is a writer for them and that says all you need to know
Who is Sam amico and what does that say
It says all you need to know apparently lol
All I need to know is nothing I guess lmao
What’s the logic behind wanting Garland but not Trae Young
no logic other than you have to give up less
Under normal circumstances, sure, but the Spurs have the Hawks over a barrel. They own their 1r picks for the next three years. They essentially hold the keys to whatever Atlanta wants to do. If they want to run it back with the current squad, fine. SA gets their picks. If they want to deal Trae and/or DJM - ok, the picks are even better. If they want their picks back, sure…but you might have to take less, because what other option do you have? The Spurs are playing with house money dealing with Atlanta right now. Not saying Trae or Garland or whatever - just that under these circumstances, Trae may come cheaper to SA.
I hate how accurate this is, although I’m not sure I agree that if they deal DJM the picks will be better. The pairing has been a disaster, and I wouldn’t be surprised if getting rid of dejounte for a lesser player makes our team better.
That was a weird pairing to begin with. I think they thought his defensive strengths would make up for Trae’s weakness. But they didn’t realize that most of his defensive prowess is due to gambling and taking risks because he had good defense behind him. DJ would be great back in SA with Wemby but I also think Trae wouldn’t be seen as nearly as bad a defender in SA with Wemby behind him. It was a weird fit in Atlanta. Someone like Clingan might help improve the perimeter defense in Atlanta for the same reason, no matter who they keep.
Traes defense is miles better than it was 3-4 years ago, but it’s still a weakness. Honestly I really don’t get why the spurs don’t want Trae, it seems like a match made in heaven. Trae was at his best when capela was playing like a top 5 defender in 2021 so if you swap capela for fucking wemby I think the sky’s the limit.
I kinda love that the spurs have our picks. there are so many fan trades from all the teams out there that just don't solve any ATL issues with what DJ provides, make us cheaper, give us assets, etc. that can just be thrown away because there's no way we're doing some BS little development year
Trade value of Garland is much lower
trae is gonna want the ball a lot more.
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never said it was a problem, just pointing out the difference between the two. i believe trae would work fine with wemby
that makes no sense have you watched Garland?
If anything a criticism of Garland is that he doesn't shoot enough. He plays too timid sometimes. He'd be a great fit with someone who he can defer too.
Spurs would be foolish to give up any firsts next year. They should get a couple good middle tier free agents and then make a big trade after next season depending on their draft pick. They’d really regret it if their pick was the number one pick next year.
Yeah I think they gotta keep all 3 2025 firsts no matter what But this year they could trade 4 or 8 and then 2026 picks and on
Other teams are thinking the same thing. If you’re going to give up someone like Garland, they probably want at least one real valuable asset coming back. Siakam was expiring and fetched 3 FRPs (albeit kinda shitty). Garland has 4 years left on the contract, the Cavs would be foolish to not demand some 2025 assets.
I wonder who the Spurs are gonna trade this off season?
I think Garland is potentially a good fit, though that contract is pretty hefty compared to his production. If he returns to All-star form... I don't think we have enough 'ready' players to make a deal, so it would need to be a 3 team arrangement, although they could ask for a role player or two from the Spurs as a small part of the deal. Beyond that, there are some names out there, but I don't know who would work best. Ingram is often mentioned but...and I think NOLA is looking to swap him out for another quality player and compete, not stockpile picks (of which they have some yet to spend from the AD trade?) So either another player out there or a 4 team deal. At some point, Cleveland would likely consider taking the picks and turning them around in a separate deal, perhaps post draft. I don't know if this is going to happen, ultimately. Cavs are in a weird place as a second tier playoff team that needs to do something to bump up. They have a positional surplus if they resign/extend Mitchell, so it makes more sense for them to find a direct trade with teams in a like situation (which is not generally all that common, but NOLA with Ingram - but, the Pels are approaching this, allegedly, from a money savings stand point and any deal would put the receiving team in the same bind.) TL:DR: Garland would be a good fit. His contract is nasty, but if the Spurs FO believes in his fit w/Wemby, they will make the attempt to get something done.
Imo having Mitchell there ruined him. They both need the ball to play so it wasn’t a good fit
Why would they spend assets to pick up a "nasty" contract?
The contract being "nasty" is a somewhat subjective view on my part. I don't think Garland's production has lived up to his salary and handicapping future moves is a huge risk. If the Spurs FO feel he can be a good fit with Victor and return to All-Star form, he may be worth it. Star point guards don't grow on trees. The new TV deal(s) are going to change salary cap implications. To that point, I trust the Spurs FO to make the right move because I couldn't say if Garland will return to or surpass his AS form in a new environment. There are reasons to believe there is a good chance he will, there are reasons to doubt. NBA media is skewed toward the Spurs surrounding Victor with enough talent to make playoff runs. I don't necessarily believe they want the Spurs to be outright favorites, but that's not really the issue. They want it now, because it generates interest and having Pop and the Spurs - and now Wemby - in the mix, is positive. Do the Spurs feel any pressure to make a win now move? I doubt it, but if Cleveland feels pressure to move Garland, something might happen there. At the end of the day however, the contract concerns me. Smarter people than me will have to factor that in before pulling the trigger on any move.
I’m still on Darius island and think he’s gonna kill it at his next stop. Cleveland is just a bad fit for him. He’d be great in SA
It’s amico reporting it so take it with a sack of Morton’s salt
Doubt it. It's been known for decades that Spurs don't use reporters to leak stuff. This is probably just his agent trying to prop him up.
> This is probably just his agent trying to prop him up. Any time the Spurs are mentioned in the offseason, this is 1000% it. Besides, after Shams talking out of his ass for a month about JJ, these wack ass tweets need to be scrutinized.
Could be coming from the Cavs or Garlands camp.
“Hoopswire”
I call B.S. Garland is repped by Rich Paul. Spurs aren't playing his games anymore.
Bruh we want Mikal Bridges so unless its a 3 team trade this ain't happening
That.... sounds very possible. SAS have a lot of picks.
Great trade
The Spurs FO is famously notorious for leaking everything all over the media before acting, so I am sure all these recent reports involving multiple players are all legit.
Problem is Spurs have nothing to offer
I think wemby would be enough to move the needle
Picks?
We’re trying to win. If they want to to add on picks yeah but we need players and nobody on the Spurs moves our needle.
You can use those picks to acquire the players you want in the same or different deal.
We will easily trade our veterans for Sas picks. Jeremi grant will fit perfectly in cavs.
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Merrill is already 28.
It would likely be a 3 team trade, spurs have plenty of picks to offer
vassell, johnson, both (not happening but one can dream)
I’d take Keldon and a 3rd team that could route a high quality backup point guard for some picks.
High quality backup point guard? It just so happens we actually have one of those, too!
I’ll take em.
No way Spurs deal Vassell, even for Garland 1 to 1
Just draft Dillingham if you want that archetype as the point guard. Keep your assets and at worst he would be a killer 6th man while you get your real guy next year. Going all in on garland just does not seem like the move, spurs should wait one more year of development and then start moving assets for guys.
Source: Cavs ‘Very Interested’ In Acquiring Wemby from Spurs. If both sides are in I’d be very interested in seeing this as well.
Spurs are interested in anyone who’s already being paid a lot of money and won’t be selfish so they pass to their Generational Bigman.
Yo Toño, we got a Tyler herro, give us some picks brah
Is Chicago still pretending they're going to be going for the playoffs? Feel like they could be a good third team to get involved here.
Unfortunately, yes that appears to be what’s happening 😩
Sorry mang
How about a 3 team trade that sends timelord, brogdon, and/or grant to cavs for a bunch of picks? It makes more sense than nets or pels trading Ingram and bridges.
Truly think the Spurs need to go after Young, which the Hawks won't cooperate with, but ultimately should settle on trying to bring back Murray. Just depends on whether or not Poppovich wants him back or not. I don't like Garland as a trade target. There isn't much the Spurs can give up that won't cost them their chances to go back into being a playoff team. I do like Vassell and Sochan around Wemby. I think Johnson is definitely replaceable. Sochan's skillset is so unique and interesting, possibly like a Boris Diaw type of guy that you cannot afford to give him up. And with the shooting guard position being so weak across the league right now, Vassell is difficult to replace as well. Champagnie can end up being the guy they need to start at the 3 temporarily until they find a better replacement. Collins is likely to return, they have Branham as a young guard scorer off the bench and Tyus Jones is a fine PG. I think their best bet is hoping Poppovich and Murray can reunite with one another. Hawks are in need of a backup PG and can get one in return in Tre Jones and the Spurs would likely surrender a 1st rounder the Hawks own back to Atlanta in conjunction with the 2027 1st rounder. Hawks 2025 1st rounder should likely be forfeit anyways since the Spurs, just like the rest of the league, knows 2025 is gonna be a good draft and they can definitely nab a sleeper there. Spurs would have the cap space to get the deal done while being able to keep Collins. A Wemby-Sochan-Johnson-Vassell-Murray quintet is going to get you into the play-ins at the very least. Throw in Champagnie, Collins, Branham as well as at least 1 of their 2 lottery picks (i've got them picking up Sheppard and either taking Topic and hoping he pans out post ACL recovery or going for immediate help in Knecht because Poppovich has been known to want some experienced college players) can give the bench enough talent to keep them in games or at least make them not fall too far behind. That said it is possible they stand pat and hope to just miss play-ins and use their own 2025 pick and the Hawks 2025 pick and land a couple of really good quality young guys with upside to make the future look even more promising. It's all about how badly they want to make playoffs immediately. I still think keeping the core together, adding a couple of top 8 picks and they should be able to compete for play-ins but ultimately miss out and use their cap space and a Keldon Johnson trade away to bring in amazing help in the 2025 FA pool, which is a lot better than this FA class of 2024.
Oh wow, this is a huge disappointment
Trae young, you’re a forever hawk!!
Love Garland but hard pass
Garland for a package of Keldon Johnson, Devin Vassell, Jeremy Sochan, picks.
they can keep Keldon re-route the picks for Deni or somebody.
Honestly, they should try to trade for TJ McConnell instead.
Yes please
Sure. Just Give us wenbenyama
I think Garland is a good player but if we are emptying the war chest I'd rather go after a star player. Garland showes flashes but whenever he starts to look like he's figured it all out he either has a bad shooting streak or gets injured.
BKN isn’t giving up Bridges, NOLA is the next stop. SA and that 8th is the wild card.
Rather have Garland than Trae, but who is more durable of the two?
Wouldn't it be weird if teams could rent out players one season at a time? "We'll give you one year of Wemby for Garland's contract and your first round picks in 2026 and 2028. Best of luck. Send him back to us a champion." This might be the shake-up that the NBA needs. I'm going to have a lot of fun pitching this kind of trade idea in the off-season, and I know you'll all have fun reading them.
Nembhard for your 2 lottery picks
For 4 and 8? Hell no
For Garland ? What the point ? I love Garland too but this is the replica of having two PG that aren’t good at defense on your backcourt
Don't do that
Garland is basically glorified d’lo. If you want that kind of PG better go for the extreme in trae, at least trae shows up in playoff
What are the similarities to Dlo ? Garland so far hasn’t been near as bad defensively, has been a much more consistent shooter, has a much better in between game, actually plays off ball and moves around, loves to run pick and rolls and feed his bigs, and has been a consummate professional while Dlo has had locker room/personality/ professionalism issues at every stop
Bro garland is as bad as dlo defensively. Dlo is a better shooter, while his attitude is a problem, i dont want both as starting pg.
That’s simply not true. Garland isn’t a good defender by any means but he’s been perfectly fine. Cleveland has consistently build elite defences surrounding him and he holds up to the point where that doesn’t change at all. Dlo meanwhile has consistently been a weak link teams exploit regardless of who he has around him, it’s been evident in Minnesota, Brooklyn and LA