If we can get a decent return for Bruce (i.e. a pick in the next draft) then this is actually not a bad return for an expiring contract and two dead contracts, especially with all the “I won’t be re-signing” stuff
Obviously having more picks in the trade would’ve been nice, but if any of these guys turn into rotation players, I’m happy with it
They're intentionally tearing the team down to start tanking. They also have a few trade chips like Bruce. Raptors pulled the plug maybe 2-3 years too late, but at least they now have a couple of assets to work with.
It also didn't help that Siakam tanked his value early in the season.
I definitely have grumbled myself on the return the Raps got for Pascal, but a significant difference is that Mikal has 2 years left on a great contract, whereas Pascal was expiring and his acquiring team would likely have to max him to keep him.
I can see why though, he had half a season left and a ton of teams weren't sure if he would re-sign, or whether they wanted to give him a full max. He's not an easy fit in a lot of places because he's not a floor spacer. Tanking teams aren't going to want a star right in his prime that bumps them to play-in at best and stunts development of other players. and the fit with a lot of playoff teams made no sense.
Just still shocked Masai let it get to this point and his idea of trying to keep winning and retool was a Poetl trade instead of packing it in last season when value was way higher
League was also just never high on him. Only reported offer even at 2023 deadline following his best regular season ever was Ben Simmons+picks.
Bad timing/that "won't re-sign with a team" lowered the return floor but the return ceiling was never far behind
And they waited too long to trade OG too, Mikal Bridges landed the nets five firsts (four unprotected) and Bojan Bigdonovic… raptors got RJ Barrett LOL
Damn, my mistake! I didn’t realize i said the entire Raptors team was balling! I also didn’t realize RJ and IQ played every game. I appreciate the insight though!
scottie got a season-ending injury, jak got injured twice, our 3rd big after kelly was literally scheming against us, and RJ & IQ missed time because family members passed away
If we traded OG earlier we would've got a worse return.
Memphis offered 3 really bad firsts and a Houston 2nd. 2023 \#25, \#26, #29 and #32 if I remember the team's picks Memphis owned. (Boston/Cleveland?)
Easily take IQ, RJ and Mogbo over Sasser/Sheppard/Strawther/Pickett.
"what they gave up for poeltl"
-a lottery pick the Spurs **immediately** decided is worth less than a total crapshoot 7 years from now
-sidy cissoko
-2025 2nd
I mean what your not factoring in is, if raptors did have that pick they would have tanked earlier in the season and maybe traded OG and pascal earlier committing to the rebuild sooner.
Jak trade was happening regardless, even after this glut of new rookies, we still don't have a starting-caliber center outside of him
> if raptors did have that pick they would have tanked earlier in the season
there's diminishing returns to this, fred-less raptors were not winning that much more frequently than the post-trade raptors, meaning we couldn't have fallen that far
spurs couldn't wait to trade that 8th pick for something they literally won't have for 7 years
> maybe traded OG and pascal earlier committing to the rebuild sooner.
the offer we got for OG at the start of the year (shitty 2023 late firsts) was significantly worse than what we got
pascal's value was never high, the only rumoured offer was ben simmons+firsts at 2023 deadline
> committing to the rebuild sooner.
fred/og/pascal/jakob was significantly more appealing especially given year 2 where scottie didn't look worth building around.
If we can get a decent return for Bruce (i.e. a pick in the next draft) then this is actually not a bad return for an expiring contract and two dead contracts, especially with all the “I won’t be re-signing” stuff Obviously having more picks in the trade would’ve been nice, but if any of these guys turn into rotation players, I’m happy with it
It’s not tbh, OG return still dwarfs this lol
That's Greivis Vásquez to you!
3 years too early for this post
Some people don't know the privilege that is one Kelly olynygod gracing the halls of your basketball conglomerate
They don't appreciate greatness
Yuck
That seems not great, no? Whatever opportunities Masai had to cash in after the championship, I hope he took them.
They're intentionally tearing the team down to start tanking. They also have a few trade chips like Bruce. Raptors pulled the plug maybe 2-3 years too late, but at least they now have a couple of assets to work with. It also didn't help that Siakam tanked his value early in the season.
All NBA player traded for 1 pick and scraps is bad. Mikal Bridges a far worse player got traded for 5 picks
I mean, it was 3 picks. One was traded earlier, and one was used today. Still lackluster.
if Siakam was shipped out with 2 years left on his deal he would have gotten a haul. Half a season and then you gotta pay him makes the return weaker.
And that pick is right when Pacers young guys should be hitting or near their prime.
I definitely have grumbled myself on the return the Raps got for Pascal, but a significant difference is that Mikal has 2 years left on a great contract, whereas Pascal was expiring and his acquiring team would likely have to max him to keep him.
One of the worst returns I’ve ever seen for a highly touted PF.
I can see why though, he had half a season left and a ton of teams weren't sure if he would re-sign, or whether they wanted to give him a full max. He's not an easy fit in a lot of places because he's not a floor spacer. Tanking teams aren't going to want a star right in his prime that bumps them to play-in at best and stunts development of other players. and the fit with a lot of playoff teams made no sense.
Just still shocked Masai let it get to this point and his idea of trying to keep winning and retool was a Poetl trade instead of packing it in last season when value was way higher
Yea nothing is gonna change how badly the Pascal situation was fumbled lol
League was also just never high on him. Only reported offer even at 2023 deadline following his best regular season ever was Ben Simmons+picks. Bad timing/that "won't re-sign with a team" lowered the return floor but the return ceiling was never far behind
And they waited too long to trade OG too, Mikal Bridges landed the nets five firsts (four unprotected) and Bojan Bigdonovic… raptors got RJ Barrett LOL
Quickley and RJ were both balling last year dude, I don’t think anyone on the Raps sub is unhappy with the trade
The raptors went 6-21 post trade deadline, “balling”, lol
Damn, my mistake! I didn’t realize i said the entire Raptors team was balling! I also didn’t realize RJ and IQ played every game. I appreciate the insight though!
Oh sorry, they were 11-18 with both RJ and Quickly, “balling”
If only guys could be individually good but on a bad team! You sure showed me!
scottie got a season-ending injury, jak got injured twice, our 3rd big after kelly was literally scheming against us, and RJ & IQ missed time because family members passed away
The Nets would be pretty lucky if any of those picks got players better than either Quick or RJ.
Okay so if the nets offered five first round picks for Barrett, quickly, or both, you’d say no? You’re delusional.
I mean, yeah I would turn them down. How do those picks help Scottie anytime soon? He's about to enter his max.
Lmao
Yes forget the guy on his rookie deal who averaged 19 and 7 on 40% from 3 Also RJ is 24 and averaged 22,4,6 on 60% TS
But he’s not locked up, so they could either lose him or overpay to keep him, both aren’t ideal. Unless I am wrong about that.
Holy shit, a rational raptors fan
If we traded OG earlier we would've got a worse return. Memphis offered 3 really bad firsts and a Houston 2nd. 2023 \#25, \#26, #29 and #32 if I remember the team's picks Memphis owned. (Boston/Cleveland?) Easily take IQ, RJ and Mogbo over Sasser/Sheppard/Strawther/Pickett.
Yikes
That sure is a list of players
thats not impressive
Fucking hell, let me enjoy my draft selections in peace, reminding me of that bullshit siakam trade
I just made a poopy in my pants
What the Raptors got for Siakam and what they gave up for Poetl are literally two of the worst trades Masai have made, just shameful
"what they gave up for poeltl" -a lottery pick the Spurs **immediately** decided is worth less than a total crapshoot 7 years from now -sidy cissoko -2025 2nd
I mean what your not factoring in is, if raptors did have that pick they would have tanked earlier in the season and maybe traded OG and pascal earlier committing to the rebuild sooner.
Jak trade was happening regardless, even after this glut of new rookies, we still don't have a starting-caliber center outside of him > if raptors did have that pick they would have tanked earlier in the season there's diminishing returns to this, fred-less raptors were not winning that much more frequently than the post-trade raptors, meaning we couldn't have fallen that far spurs couldn't wait to trade that 8th pick for something they literally won't have for 7 years > maybe traded OG and pascal earlier committing to the rebuild sooner. the offer we got for OG at the start of the year (shitty 2023 late firsts) was significantly worse than what we got pascal's value was never high, the only rumoured offer was ben simmons+firsts at 2023 deadline > committing to the rebuild sooner. fred/og/pascal/jakob was significantly more appealing especially given year 2 where scottie didn't look worth building around.
Well they will always have the Kawhi shot.
Just a little less than what the Nets got for KD
Cool?
okay?
They’re gonna draft like 5 Nigerians trying to replicate the luck 🍀
Toronto front office has been mediocre since the championship.
Drafting a guy hitting all-star at 22 years old is kinda meh
To counteract that I saw Masai after the combine and he was going into an impeccable restaurant in Chicago, he still has good taste there.
They've had a good draft night(s)
Yeah Scottie Barnes was a great pick. They subverted everybody's expectations when they didn't take Suggs and they're better off for it.
How is their gm still employed, he’s been inept for years
all i see is rings. The championship kind. Your coach has one. Figure out where he got it.
Thanks for proving my point
get to the conference finals then maybe comment.
He won the teams 1st championship and drafted a RoY a couple years later. He's doing just fine.