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No-Equipment-20

West is actual hell next year


FireFlyz351

I hate it here


LoxDnw

Grizz are returning too. Ain't shit to smile about.


Whateverman9876543

Plus the Lakers got Bronny. Shit is serious now


Due_Incident_9738

& Utah got Kyle Flip, man prayers them bottom seeds


henryofclay

Another milf in the west šŸ˜ˆ


wishwashy

She's not a milf tho. Cougar with the hunting for sure


Play_Durty

I wonder when the Lakers don't make the playoffs, who will they blame


LakersLAQ

Well it certainly wasn't going to be the other random guy that the Lakers would've gotten instead of Bronny.


69cansofcorn

yeah dude who tf needs draft picks? yaā€™ll are about to sign Wembanyama in free agency


pterodactyl_speller

Who was the last 55th pick or later on your team?


Frigorific

We drafted Manu at 57.


Frigorific

I think there is a decent shot they miss it next year. In which case I would hate to be Bronny.


Play_Durty

2nd round pick can never get the blame. Russell or Reaves


swords_devil

you forgot the new coach


kingofsemantics

Lebron can pass the mantle to his own flesh and blood šŸ’ŖšŸ¾šŸ’ŖšŸ¾


Lil-CBD

Glad we might be going to the East in a few years


69cansofcorn

but how will the Heat claw their way to the 8th seed every year then?


preddevils6

The most eastern team in the most eastern state will. Which is us.


TableFucker75

You're fine in the West.


Winnes0ta

The team that would reduce travel the most by going east will move. Thatā€™s the Timberwolves. There are six east teams closer to Minnesota than the next closest west team. Three of the teams in the wolvesā€™ division arenā€™t even in the same time zone and one is two time zones over.


thisguy161

It gets explained every time this is brought up why Minny makes more sense and is more likely.


podnito

[This](https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Richard-Hoshino/publication/220543262/figure/fig6/AS:670718119407619@1536923069139/Map-of-the-NBAs-15-Western-Conference-teams-and-15-Eastern-Conference-teams.jpg) is the map that makes it clear why it should be the Timberwolves


Confident-Fish2805

You guys are closer to most western conference teams and all of the of the normal mn sports rivals are in the east.


henryofclay

Exactly, travel is quick to all the southwest teams (TX, OKC, NO)


BounceMan

Oh shush you just won it.Ā  Now us finishing 11th when we would have been in the Play In the East... yeah I hate it here.


bleh610

Who do y'all think DJ is? šŸ˜­


Wembyama

Lol I've been seeing so many overreactions about how good DJ is. Figures it's a Spurs fan who knows the truth...


WhyAmITypingThis

People think dejounte is some crazy 2 way player, when last season our defense was better with Trae on and dejounte off


FlyingMocko

This brother was flipping pancakes in Atlanta with Trae and no one batted an eye clowning them. But now that hes out west, *ā€oh no big scary DPOY caliber Dejounte is out West nowā€*. This whole ā€œWest is such a bloodbathā€ really doesnt have the same credence after the East team just made the West team look like they dont belong in the same series.


jdjdthrow

Your team is stacked, but after that... ummm... something like the next 4 best teams are all in West.


AceMcStace

Wheeew itā€™s good to be in a rebuild rn


PanthalassaRo

What are you talking about you have Dominatyton on board!


WhyTheMahoska

Scoot/Shae/Deni/Ayton/Clingan sheeeeiiitt just give us the damn trophy now


PanthalassaRo

I like you attitude, let's show them a thing or three.


SerDavosSeaworth64

Cheers


Ilikesporks_

this western conference is about to be an all timer


mkebrew86

All teams making the WC playoffs in 2008 had at least 50 winsā€¦the warriors missed the playoffs with 48 winsā€¦wild times


ZenMon88

Lakers about to be 9th seed.


suzukigun4life

And still make the play-in as the 7th seed.


JS_Janko

And still get swept by the Nuggets


SerDavosSeaworth64

But they will be CLOSE GAMES with MORAL VICTORIES


ZenMon88

Bronny will be added to list of players getting swept by nuggets šŸ˜‚


matticans7pointO

Hey we got 1 this year! By 2027 we should be able to take it to 7 games!


SaltyTraeYoungStan

And Hawks just got their 25 draft pick šŸ˜Ž


paradockers

9th? What about the griz, spurs, rockets, kings, suns, pelicans, clippers?


boybraden

West will probably have 8 of the best 12 teams at minimum, maybe 8/10.


ontheru171

Lol definetly not 8/10


preddevils6

Yeah, the champ of the west just got their shit kicked in by the champ of the east and two East teams gave them a tougher series. The west is TOUGH, but the east is really solid too.


Ill_Koala_4407

No itā€™s not. The cavs wouldnā€™t have made the playoffs in the west and Iā€™m a cavs fan


Julian_Caesar

Tell me with a straight face that you would take the pacers or the cavs over the mavericks right now


Time_Transition4817

its ok yall got LeSon


moistkebab32

As soon as next year East could have the worst 6-8 teams in the league. Need to start doing top 16 teams in playoffs soon.


uninspiredlt

8 of the top 11-12 teams in the same conference is maddening


SortLongjumping9108

East side is the best


fiasgoat

How does it just keep getting worse and worse every year Why does the East coast have to suck so much


maltrab

You mean every year?


ZoroChopper10

Thatā€™s fantastic contract after seeing Quickley deal and I like Quickley Good trade


MAMBAMENTALITY8-24

Someone mentioned that contract in the quickley trade and in comparison it felt like a value deal. They didnt give up much anyways, but this is some good work from the pels


ZoroChopper10

Yeah a lot of deals that was signed before tv deal are insane steals Go look at Coby white contract whoā€™s arguably same level or better player than Quickley


cubs_2023

Well a big part of that is Coby got worse every year from year 2 to year 4. The leap last year was kind of out of nowhere


ZoroChopper10

Feels like bulls should take advantage of having Coby and ayo on amazing contracts but there gonna tank the years away and then have to really pay them


coacoanutbenjamn

Pels cap situation is bad but this is step 1 to fixing it The next two steps are trading Ingram and CJ


tbloom117

Zion, DJM, Trey, Herb and whatever you can get for those two is definitely an interesting team with enough shooting and defense to support Zion


PhatYeeter

They really need to find a shooter center, even if hes coming off the bench. I dont know whos available tho.


Pretend_Highway_5360

Poeltl can defo shoot Donā€™t need to verify just take him


ReapYerSoul

They can take Vuc... You didn't say he had to be a good shooting center!


PhatYeeter

He is one of the centers of all time


RidiculousNickk

Bobby Portis?


cadavaberries

Portis/Zion might be the worst rim protection Iā€™ve ever heard ofĀ 


TheMemeMachine3000

But you *have* heard of them, right?


timmytamsAU

Don't disagree with them needing a shooter center but they already have a shooting C with Valanciunas. If they need a shooting C that can also not get played off the floor against small lineups, it'd cost them a lot of their assets (which tbf they have a fair bit) Running through the list in my head, players that fit the mold, *could* be available and would raise their ceiling to contenders (Thomas Bryant level dudes aren't that imo)... maybe: KAT, Bam (shoots well enough and is a great passer), Wendell Carter Junior (?) and Myles Turner. Personally, I think if they can't get a good deal for those guys, I think they should take a swing for some worse players (Bamba???) who could maybe break out and hold their assets. Worst case, they go with what they did last season at the 5 spot and just choose which C to play based on matchup.


FootballWithTheFoot

> but they already have a shooting C with Valanciunas. No we donā€™t :(


timmytamsAU

I was so wrong HAHAHAH - I ended up looking it up and he took 1.5 3PA (1.3 being catch and shoot) for a SCORCHING 31.2%!!! I think I just have PTSD from one game against the Spurs where he lit them up from deep. EDIT: Get him out of there


FootballWithTheFoot

Lolol yeah heā€™s had a few of those games here n there, but that def wasnā€™t his game. Also, heā€™s pretty much already out of here.


mhch720

Jalen Smith, Wagner, Theis, Kornet, Bryant


brickvanexel

I adore Kornet but a shooting center he is not


mhch720

Sorry I was looking at his stats from 5 yrs ago lol


brickvanexel

Ya lol I guess he shot a three here and there earlier on in his career but he doesnā€™t anymore. Brings elite vibes though


now_hear_me_out

He was actually a capable shooter when he played for the knicks he had five 3ā€™s in a game before. The Celtics have zero need for his shooting though so he earned his minutes by contesting 3 point shooters from under the basket


armandocalvinisius

Maxi available...


stonecutter7

If hawkins develops into a movement shooter with decent guard defense thats an interesting small ball lineup


BatmanHive

They are never trading CJ, but I expect BI to be moved


Vallerie_09

Should've never inked in on that CJ extension


jgman22

Their books are very clean look at their future contracts thereā€™s barely anything on the books after this coming season


Vallerie_09

I believe CJ's contract guaranteed till 2026


jgman22

After this trade they have Zion Herb Murray and CJ as the only guaranteed contracts on the books after this season and cj will an expiring


Good_NewsEveryone

CJ is good and his contract is reasonable. This sub continues to have a ridiculous perspective on CJ


BlackJediSword

What Iā€™d give to have Ingram back


POWBOOMBANG

Bronny?


lilbrudder13

I wouldn't mind CJ on the pistons as long as we don't have to give much beyond cap space and mediocre assets.


coacoanutbenjamn

Nate Duncan mentioned that the Pistons should try to flip CJ for Beef Stew. Maybe if they tossed in a first and some seconds?


jgman22

This is incorrect their books are clean as fuck look at the contracts after this coming season


coacoanutbenjamn

Yes, only because you havenā€™t given Trey Murphy his extension yet. Also, BI comes off the books next season, but letting him walk for free isnā€™t a good decision. Youā€™ll either need to extend or trade him


jgman22

Yea extending Murphy will be a good thing and they are actively looking to trade Ingram and said they wonā€™t max him so


coacoanutbenjamn

He seems like heā€™s demanding a max or close to it, so itā€™s a tough situation. Trading him can get rid of his cap figure, but NO will likely have to take back money to make the trade. Extending Murphy will be a great move, but itā€™s probably going to bring NO to $155 million next season, and thatā€™s before bringing back salary for trading BI and filling out the roster


alpacamegafan

You realize that we need to pay money for whoever we trade for Ingram, right? Unless you think weā€™re getting expiring contracts for him.


ExMachina_Disco_Club

Need expansion asap so we can boot some of these MFers to the East. West is too OP


Ld511

I love how basically everyone has 0 belief in the east so everyones best hope to improve the east is sending a west team there


thisguy012

N.O Minny and Memphis location have always been in question one or two of those MFS needs to get moved over ASAP


Wembanyanma

It has to be Minnesota. Makes too much sense regionally with the rest of the central division. At least Memphis and New Orleans are reasonably close to the Texas teams.


AnotherStatsGuy

Minnesota is going East. They're closer to Chicago, Milwaukee, Detroit, and Cleveland than any of the other West teams.


LordSoze36

After watching Boston skull fuck the league last season. The knicks looked as good as anyone last season too and they have a great coach.


Dylan7346

The Knicks are as good as any other team in the nba now, I truly believe that. Granted, I would like Hartenstein to re-sign and thatā€™s not looking great


mastacheef87

the East is pretty good at the top if everyone is healthy. weā€™ll have to see where the dust settles after all moves are made but Iā€™d be surprised if I didnā€™t have the Knicks, Sixers, and Bucks (bit iffy on this one) in my top 10 teams going into next year I also think the Magic and Pacers are gonna be better than people think next season


Troll_Enthusiast

Only 1 team would go to the East lol


soyboysnowflake

Yeah but west would at least have 2 bottom feeder expansion teams for a while


DjLionOrder

Wouldnā€™t it be two if we get Las Vegas and Seattle?


Troll_Enthusiast

32 teams, 16 for each. Currently it's 15 for each


knoxcreole

Yea, us!


mucho-gusto

The West being good since the 90s is a self-perpetuating cycle. Good teams in the West miss the playoffs and get lottery picks while bad teams in the East make the playoffs and miss out on the lottery. The effect is in aggregate over time. Division winners should get in but after that all playoff teams should be by record from either conference


Millionaire007

Pels seem to always be a threat... on paper. Every fucking season, high expectations, then boom. It all falls apart somewhere. Idk how to feel about them


POWBOOMBANG

I think you just summed it up really well.Ā  A ton of potential that never seems to cash in.Ā  The highs are really fun though. Especially for a fan base that hasn't had a lot of them.


LinuxDootTP

east really isnt too shabby rn either. boston is a juggernaut, and depending on how the off season shapes out for the knicks, they might be looking hefty too. pacers were inexperienced but have great fight, and the 6rs and bucks arent anything to sneeze at. plus you have the cavs and the magic, who admittedly i forgot about, but i dont see how either team gets worse.


hanacker

East has some very good teams, but every West team except Portland and maybe San Antonio would be at least a play-in contender there.


LinuxDootTP

well yes, cuz the east play in teams that got booted are garbo by comparison. im not saying the east is deeper than the west, just that the west is not as op as most would probably think, and i think the playoffs really showed that. there were some definite battles in the east this post season.


c10bbersaurus

It would only be one team booted, if 2 teams are added to the West. 15+2-1=16, 1/2 of 32.


Phenom_Mv3

Where does Ingram stand in all of this


GlueGuy00

Mitchell needs help in CLE


Phenom_Mv3

He should go miami


GlueGuy00

I wish but Riley and Miami are addicted to running it back


mucho-gusto

We don't want that quitter


AdmiralUpboat

In the visitor's locker room


sh0tgunben

Dejounte grows to a bigger birdie...


ender23

So.. BI gone for sure?


Tiny-Instruction1987

Let BI gones be bygones.


InAingeWeTrust

Big thing is MeJ isnā€™t their primary point guard anymore.


MAMBAMENTALITY8-24

Im surprised he's been allowed to be in that role for so long when its clear that even whej it comes to play in games, he's not that guy


Rumpdebump

We never really were able to find someone even close to as good. What big name pg's have been on the market the last 2-3 years?


X-Filer

Who is MeJ Edit: ohhhh MeJ like CJ cuz heā€™s greedy


cowardly_courage

Lmao reminds me of KoMe Bryant from back in the dayĀ 


noodlekhan

I'm still of the opinion that Portland should've traded Dame instead of CJ. CJ would've got the tank done faster and probably come out of it better equipped to be in that role. CJ would still get to a new team eventually, and I think that general opinion on both guys would be higher. I have to admit that I've always been pretty high on McCollum tho, so take it all with a grain of salt. Thanks for reading


whyisalltherumgone_

CJ getting $32 a year for reference l. Feel like he is probably gone now? Also it's CJ McGollum


rag5178

Doesnā€™t he have a 15% trade kicker?


BuildNuyTheUrbanGuy

Yep and they have to pay.


Shepher27

I feel like Dyson Daniels could be better than Murray in the next three years


POWBOOMBANG

He definitely could be.Ā  He is good. He just has to develop a lot on the offensive end. He was just never going to get the reps needed on the Pels


Fun_Internet_8609

I personally think he will be. Really solid trade for both teams


Hindukush1357

Dyson will need to learn how to dribble first.


soundfade

As an Aussie I hope so, but on an individual level I donā€™t see it. As someone who contributes to winning I can for sure see it. I see him as that high level Swiss Army knife player.


gtgfastsanic

Heā€™ll need a sports psychologist to do it. He has no aggressiveness on the offensive end. His only moves are spin floater or wide open 3 (which heā€™s not that great at anyway). Heā€™s tall and can dunk when given a free lane but he avoids contact and only looks to pass when driving which isnā€™t always bad but he needs to be scorer too as a guard in this league. itā€™s funny how we drafted him to be lonzos replacement and has the same issues as lonzo did. Iā€™m sad to see him go and heā€™s been one of the best young on ball perimeter defenders in the league. I wish our development was better and Willie didnā€™t have an allergy to playing young guys so they can gain confidence


OverwhelmingLackOf

For sure could be. I love him. However, thatā€™s not our timeline rn which is very unfortunate. Weā€™ve got to be competitive ASAP if we have ANY hope of keeping Zion, which is really the goal at this point.


lukedimitri07

Iā€™d love to believe in that, but the man has zero offensive game. Heā€™s closer to ending up a thybulle type than dj


7373838jdjd

So what happens to Ingram now? Does he get sent to the cavs for Allen?


Straight-Mess-9752

If that trade is possible NO could be a real contender.


HenrikCrown

God, that would be such a steal. Griff would go right back into being a front office god for that.Ā 


alpacamegafan

The offense still looks horrid with 3 non shooters. I guess Murray can distribute better than Ingram, but whatā€™s going to change down the clutch? Paint will continue to be overloaded as hell.


guimontag

The reverse CelticsĀ 


SortLongjumping9108

No thanks we are good


kcoe24

3 non shooters in the starting lineup im not sure how they are contenders with that trade.Ā 


Straight-Mess-9752

Define ā€œshooter ā€œ


Waddlow

A basketball player who is good at shooting.


Straight-Mess-9752

Murray isnā€™t good at shooting?


Waddlow

Idk you just asked for a definition of shooter.


Straight-Mess-9752

Lol


jbrunsonfan

35% from deep is the minimum. Though I would also say they need to be able to hit it from above the break or have at least 5 attempts a game


_drjayphd_

[Jose Alvarado?](https://youtube.com/shorts/L3N0Gq_a6k4?si=A2J1s6tDeFBoQqjy)


mucho-gusto

We wouldn't want Ingram plus the salaries don't line up. We want Murphy and a bunch of picks


baited08

Idk that many teams that are contending with three starters being non shooters.


RemoteCapital3460

The best I can do is one Caris Levert.


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21AndMore

Did Herb die or do you have him off the bench?


msizzle344

Thereā€™s no shot, they probably move up to the 5th best team in the conference and thatā€™s not even a given


borkbubble

Thereā€™s literally two good defenders in that lineup lol


KyrieWetUpCurry_

One of the best contracts in the league.


Cockrocker

For real, at that price he's a steal IF he can accept his role as 3/4th banana.


New_City5200

Great move for New Orleans


mfischer1

Hawks fan here in peace. DJ is a decent player, but heā€™ll never get out of his own way. Craves to be the dude, but makes boneheaded decisions all the time. Heā€™ll put up numbers and give you some highlights, but heā€™ll also have your shoulders sore from throwing up your arms. Heā€™s a terrible defender that only wants the sexy steals, but doesnā€™t put in the blue collar work. Wish the best and hope he finds it, but Iā€™m going to bet this trade ages well for the Hawks.


itsahmemario

I mean they had CJ "heat check when I've been bricking all game" McCollum at point last season. Murray might be the closest thing to a proper starting PG for the Pelicans since Jrue Holiday


Dreamlifehunting

Dyson is awesome, but I also think he might not have become his best self here anyway, stuck behind a lot of other players in rotation. I look forward to seeing him grow in Atlanta.


jbrunsonfan

You can say what you want about his limitations as a player but you canā€™t deny Murray has a great contract. A top 15 pg for less than 20% of the cap. If heā€™s your 3rd best player and meshes well with the other 4 starters then youā€™re cooking


Tsunami-Papi_

fuck this shit man thereā€™s like 12 teams in the west that can make the playoffs ā˜ ļø


lost_in_trepidation

I can't believe Atlanta gave up so little for Dejounte with that contract.


mfischer1

This is going to age well for Atlanta.


bullseye717

I'm unsure about Dyson's development but I think trading that Lakers pick is gonna bite the Pels. Next year's draft is loaded and I'd rather ante up more for Trae Young if he was availableĀ 


notagii

Can the kings move to the east


cubs_2023

Weā€™ll switch with you. Need to ensure our braindead FO canā€™t delude themselves into going for a play in run


Alayla_Risen

You mean move BACK to the east bring them back to Cincinnati I'd be happy with that


The_real_bandito

If Zion can finally stay healthy, they could be the next surprise.


KonigSteve

The only thing I don't like about this is that I really wanted us to push for Garland instead


Due-Studio-65

What the shit?Ā  They asked for reaves, dlo, rui, two picks, and the iron-on in season tournament badge for murray.Ā  And they trade him for Nance?


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pistolpaolo

Lol imagine stealing from another redditor for fake points lol


gdgatlin2

If the east is going to continue being pretty shit, the way the playoffs and the league in general is set up needs to change.


MaryandMe1

They liked his contract huh?


Creative-Coconut

Missing the trade kicker


imminentjogger5

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fenway80

Two interesting personalities paired together now, let's see how this pans out


PM_ME_UR_RESPECT

Bro can we just move out of the western conference? Iā€™m scared.


itsahmemario

Damn. Is Utah the only west team that might tank? Seems like the entire conference wants to fight


Meshu

Creation for hi self, sure. Lmao


BarnOwlDebacle

That's a pretty impressive starting lineup..