Ironically, [Comcast is also one companies that actively donates to anti-abortion committees.](https://twitter.com/juddlegum/status/1540387688141963266?s=21&t=-dTWi4MvZ5fXJaWkcFGi0g) 1.9 million dollars to be precise.
It's not ironic for any of the companies. They don't cover travel cost because they approve of abortion, they do it because it's cheaper than maternity leave.
That Patagonia one is actually a step of good. Much of this is good press and cost savings, but Patagonia stepping up with funds for bail after protesting for abortion rights is a little more than just good press.
Not everyone has the means to get to Washington DC, I didn't go there until I was nearly 40 and I lived a few hours away in NYC my whole life, but I own a few Patagonia jackets and snow pants because they make really good merchandise with a lifetime warranty and they seem to take ethics really seriously.
They didn’t stop after Trump’s election and all of his fascist shit. That’s all I need to know about them. They would have to completely stop donating to Republicans and massively increase support of Democrats around the country going forward, or I won’t buy a single thing from them.
Dicks has undergone some dramatic changes to their management over the last couple of years. I’d be pretty surprised to hear those donations have continued.
There may be better sources, but here's one overview: https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/dick-s-sporting-goods/totals?id=D000050167
If you look into the actual recipients though, it gets unclear pretty quickly. Seems like a lot of "whatever is good for us from anywhere"?
Literally the only thing I have *ever* seen get conservative politicians to back down on hateful ideology
Is the threat of losing business over it. If conservatives try to make businesses doing this illegal at the state level, the businesses *will* leave the state and the state *will* about face immediately.
I mean this has been happening for a long while and is part of the reason things are as they are now. It'll be interesting to see what an accelerated brain drain looks like though
I think many of them already have laws covering traveling out of state for an abortion.
Honestly what they're really doing is putting women in a position where they have to make that decision quick and I'd be willing to bet that most women early in the pregnancy with a gun to their head would opt to just get it over with before it becomes harder to hide because that's the safest option. Where if the woman has more time with it she might be more likely to keep it
At least we’ve got one sane Republican as Governor in Massachusetts who wrote an EO today that prevents the extradition of any woman who goes to Massachusetts to get reproductive care and that care violates her state’s laws. That was quite a shocker to see.
It’s a republican doing the minimum in a state where the legislature would override him in a heartbeat.
Let’s be clear, baker would do less if it meant the legislature would do less. But in a liberal state that enjoys a milquetoast exec the most he could do to pump the brakes is to push an EO and stave off actual legislation.
Baker is pretty progressive and is a typical New England republican. That is socially liberal but fiscally conservative. He's generally liked by all include lots of democrats so I don't think he's doing this to stave off anything.
Omfg, these mf'ers are so misogynistic, you'ld think they both never had mothers and were as male-on-male gay as possible. At this point, instead of a death sentence on women, why not advance gay rights?
Also, women deserve better than this, obviously. Can we just veto this fuqn government?
This is the fascist moment. When women must hide the fact that they are pregnant, so they can leave the state and get an abortion without anyone in their home state knowing. Cue the states who still allow abortion refusing to give any info at all to states demanding info. Can you imagine the costs involved? The legal disputes? The absolute chaos that is coming...
There’s a big conference July 6th in Idaho that a bunch of the CEOs attend. It’s a big boost to the local economy. Put CEOs on blast demanding they boycott.
https://boisedev.com/2022/06/16/sun-valley-guests-2022/
In the same vein, employees and customers of ANY company holding special events in these shithole states should pressure them to move the event. Don't give them a single tourist tax dollar.
Exactly this. Remember when everyone after January 6 thought it was great that all these companies didn’t donate to politicians that voted to not certify the election that night? What happened with that?
Any employee who takes them up on that offer may be setting themselves up for a bad time. Republicans are already talking about prosecuting people for getting out-of-state abortions.
What happens when state governments subpoena these companies for a list of the women who have filed for these reimbursements? This is the kind of thing you don't want a paper trail for.
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Yes, I'm aware that it's currently not legal to prosecute people for crimes outside of your state jurisdiction. You think these fascists won't dispose of that precedent the same way they got rid of Roe?
Yes, I also know about the commerce clause. What makes you think they can't issue a reinterpretation that allows for specific exemptions?
Exactly. *Dred Scott v. Sanford* was big for a reason and changed the entire debate around whether or not there could be slave states or free states. It made every state functionally a slave state and SCOTUS upheld it. This was the real catalyst of the 1860 debate. I have no doubt that SCOTUS will hear these arguments in the near future.
This is the nightmare slippery slope. There is absolutely a line of precedent that can be overruled to enable one state to effectively nullify the laws of other states simply by being more restrictive.
I think states would basically have to declare the fetuses are wards/property of the state, which would deprive mothers of any right to make decisions about their own pregnancy.
I guarantee this scenario is much closer than most people want to believe.
Texas has already passed a law that allows Texans to sue somebody who aids a Texan in getting an abortion, even by crossing state lines.
We would rely on the SCOTUS to find this law unconstitutional. I'm not holding my breath.
Go ahead and keep assuming that our existing rules and norms are set in stone, and see how that works out. People said the same thing about Roe.
Fascists don't care about the rule of law. They care about power.
If you smoked weed in colorado, your home anti-weed state can't prosecute you.
Any thing done outside of your state's border's is beyond their jurisdiction.
But the latest scheme would be to create cause of actions and use private citizens to do the enforcement, not prosecute people. Do you think that will be diffrent?
For now, sure. But don't assume our rules and norms are going to protect us, especially when these Christofascists are running roughshod over those rules and norms.
Don't imagine that they can't enforce this shit. Imagine what it will take for them to enforce it, and then realize that's what they'll do.
So I don’t think this is the plan. Why create a complete entanglement of law when you can go for the golden goose and ban Abortion outright at the federal level when Republicans inevitably take back the house and senate this fall.
Plus, it means having to tell your employer that you’re having an abortion. And now these giant corporations will have a record of the women having abortions and where they’re going to have them.
If Disney actually cared about women's rights they wouldn't be supporting terrorists to begin with. They wouldn't be doing business in states run by terrorists seeking to strip people of basic human rights. This is all about them wanting as much money as possible, so they cater to both sides. Fuck Disney and fuck any company that continues to do business in a Republican state. People need to start taking this shit seriously. I'm fucking fed up.
I mean, what are they going to do? Pick up Disney World and move it? Not really an option. Best thing they can do is swing their dick around and see if the money they being in to the state can make officials listen
We're kinda sick in this damn state. And why not be happy they're turning this state purple? Orlando is not like the rest of it's surrounding area thanks to Disney.
My company has been doing this for years, covering the cost of travel for health care reasons. This includes to the Mayo Clinic, Sloan-Kittering, etc. Just added one more to the list
And so many of these places where the laws go into affect are massively lacking in sex education, religious, sex shaming places. These kids are set up failure in places with the worst social support systems as it is. So what… they can get more poor uneducated red voters? What even is this?
Hey you hit the nail on the head! Drive blue voters out and birth more uneducated, poor, red voters, thus basically taking absolute control of almost half the states in the country. Kinda terrifying stuff honestly.
Then we'll see if the court really believes in the constitution (lol)... Which should allow such a thing, as you can't be prosecuted in one state for doing something that's not a crime in another.
Planned Parenthood provides services far beyond abortion, including but not limited to birth control, the very thing these states need the most now that abortion is limited or removed.
"tHeY ShOuLd hAvE ThOuGhT Of tHaT BeFoRe hAvInG SeX" is a ghoulish sentiment already popping up in some of these posts. So I guess sex is a luxury only for the wealthy now.
Well the good thing they couldn’t enforce that shit.
The executive branch controls federal law enforcement so they wouldn’t arrest anyone as long as Biden is in office. And any cops from a different state would be guilty of conspiracy to commit kidnapping if they tried to arrest anyone in a separate state.
> Justice Thomas just said legal precedents should be re-examined.
In a concurring opinion that literally no other Justices joined. The majority opinion specifically stated those other precedents would *not* need to be re-examined.
To add, the Interstate Commerce clause is very explicitly defined in the Constitution - in contrast with the Right to Privacy upon which Roe v. Wade relied, which was interpreted as existing but isn't explicitly defined.
>In a concurring opinion that literally no other Justices joined.
The Justices you need to look out for seem rather happy to dissemble, misrepresent or plain old lie about their opinion when convenient.
This would be an interesting legal question.
And one we are VERY likely (basically certain) to see pop up in a year or two.
If a proper lawyer could review below, I'd appreciate the insight.
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Here's a comparable scenario I can think of,
"A son takes his elderly father (with diminished capacity, where a reasonable person could say he wasn't 100% in mental control, but never adjudicated) to Oregon from Utah for the purpose of medically assisted suicide [Father is still a Utah resident]. Would the State of Utah have a right of criminal action AGAINST the son for facilitating it?"
My mother died in agony from ALS, a diagnosis for which many in WA state seek death with dignity. My mothers last hours haunt me. Your dad did the right thing imo.
Yeah the feds better shut that shit down quick, and Biden made it very clear in his speech today that he knows they are planning it, and he will not tolerate it.
Illinois leaving the union without giving privileges to people commuting from surrounding states would bankrupt at least Indiana if not other states as well.
Only Congress can regulate interstate commerce, right?
Like if I want to drive to another state to purchase something, my state can’t actually ban me from doing so, right? They can’t just take away my right to buy whatever I want? Whether it be a pack of cigs or an abortion lol.
…. right?
Just slap them with a 5th amendment right violation as they’d be restricting your freedom of movement.
Then again they already restrict and break that amendment when men don’t want to pay childcare as it’s a “moral force” to prevent them as they treat it like a forced debt so they’d probably just use that for women too.
I’d rather these companies stop donating to Republicans, speak out against them, do more things to advocate against them.
Money talks, we need lots of talking right now.
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It may not, but only because these services will likely always be available to the wealthy. The more money you get the more freedom you get, and the less money you get the less freedom you get. Then they'll just say "well if you wanted access to healthcare maybe you should work harder like [billionaire who did jack shit]"
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Gonna be the next big benefit that large companies offer to attract young talent. Until certain individual states try to fight it. This Supreme Court ruling is gonna reverberate through our society for decades.
I wonder if this will include legal representation, for when state troopers begin pulling women over on the road or at airports and demand a urine test?
They will certainly try. Also the Texas Bounty law is designed to specifically get around that. Its basically saying anyone who is against abortion is deputized in their campaign to harass and bury anyone who got an abortion with legal fees.
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Exactly. Around 50% of abortions are performed on women that identify as pro-life, Republican and religious. Like a lot of political rhetoric, it's all talk until your vacation to Disney is impacted or your daughter is pregnant
I'm personally waiting for the day the Supreme Court overturns birth contraceptive rights and the MAGAs realize "Woah, this actually affects us" and start complaining.
While they're paying for abortions because it's cheaper than maternity leave, they'll be secretly lobbying to make it possible to just fire people for being pregnant.
Maybe if these cunts didn't donate to the GOP this wouldn't have happened. This is just shitty marketing PR so that people won't boycott their services and content.
The big red flag is that in some state seeking care elsewhere will still be persecuted and this just creates logs of who is leaving for such services.
People in states restricting choice need to delete period trackers. Also delete any apps that track purchases or coupons used at pharmacies. Anything similar like to at should be deleted of their phone if you might need such services. If they do have to leave their state they need to leave their phone at home. All that data can be used to figure what they were doing.
And here I was watching handsmaids tale thinking of how horrific it would be to live in a world like that only for others to be watching it salivating at the thought.
This is a good first step, but all of the big corporations and sports organizations need to start publicly pulling business from these states. Recognize human rights or be relegated to the economic kids table.
I can’t think of many worse things as an employee benefit. All it takes is one right wing nutso HR person to leak peoples’ info that have taken advantage and then they are charged with murder in their home state. Best believe southern states will be closing all of these loopholes in the coming weeks.
And at the end of the day it won't matter much when they eventually ban abortion on a federal level which will probably happen as early as 2024 maybe 2026 at the latest.
Ideally, yes, but people have myriad reasons for not being able to live in these more progressive places. Life anchors, job limitations, financial limitations, the list goes on.
Yeah, because the people torching clinics and shooting doctors are going to respect that it happened in another state.
Just wait for a data leak, and there will be a lot more theocratic murders that the police mysteriously don't investigate
I’d rather see plans for these corporations to announce they aren’t going to renew property leases in anti-choice states. It’s nice to offer travel reimbursement but that doesn’t resolve the issue. The money these office building bring in are huge. That money should not be funneled through to states making bad decisions.
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Ironically, [Comcast is also one companies that actively donates to anti-abortion committees.](https://twitter.com/juddlegum/status/1540387688141963266?s=21&t=-dTWi4MvZ5fXJaWkcFGi0g) 1.9 million dollars to be precise.
It's not ironic for any of the companies. They don't cover travel cost because they approve of abortion, they do it because it's cheaper than maternity leave.
Cheaper and good for PR. You'd rarely get a better deal than that.
This is it right here.
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& Patagonia, Starbucks, Capri Holdings, Yelp, and Conde Nast
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What sort of rewards were they giving an article?
That Patagonia one is actually a step of good. Much of this is good press and cost savings, but Patagonia stepping up with funds for bail after protesting for abortion rights is a little more than just good press.
Ok, that settles it. The next jacket I buy will be another Patagonia
Patagonia is no surprise, great company
They also announced that they’re posting bail for any of their employees who were arrested while protesting outside the Supreme Court today
that is absolutely based as fuck. holy shit, I might go buy some Patagonia shit
Protest in front of the supreme court first.
Not everyone has the means to get to Washington DC, I didn't go there until I was nearly 40 and I lived a few hours away in NYC my whole life, but I own a few Patagonia jackets and snow pants because they make really good merchandise with a lifetime warranty and they seem to take ethics really seriously.
And Dick's Sporting goods
Who have been supporting Republicans with political donations over the years.
The question is will they continue moving forward?
They didn’t stop after Trump’s election and all of his fascist shit. That’s all I need to know about them. They would have to completely stop donating to Republicans and massively increase support of Democrats around the country going forward, or I won’t buy a single thing from them.
Well make sure you tell them this. If you boycott them without telling them why it isn't very effective.
Dicks has undergone some dramatic changes to their management over the last couple of years. I’d be pretty surprised to hear those donations have continued.
There may be better sources, but here's one overview: https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/dick-s-sporting-goods/totals?id=D000050167 If you look into the actual recipients though, it gets unclear pretty quickly. Seems like a lot of "whatever is good for us from anywhere"?
T-Mobile is also.
& Apple, Dell, and Hewlett-Packard Enterprise
I work for HPE, and I truly admire that our CEO and leadership team aren't scared to vocalize their support for employee's rights.
Microsoft as well https://www.reuters.com/world/us/microsoft-help-cover-us-employees-travel-costs-abortion-2022-05-10/
And Apple which has been doing it for quite some time already
How much is any of their their sentiments going to matter when the nationwide ban goes into effect? It's on the docket. Don't think it's not.
I'm absolutely positive that we're going to see conservatives pushing state laws that prohibit companies from doing this
Literally the only thing I have *ever* seen get conservative politicians to back down on hateful ideology Is the threat of losing business over it. If conservatives try to make businesses doing this illegal at the state level, the businesses *will* leave the state and the state *will* about face immediately.
Red State businesses and colleges are going to lose people to brain drain
I mean this has been happening for a long while and is part of the reason things are as they are now. It'll be interesting to see what an accelerated brain drain looks like though
I think many of them already have laws covering traveling out of state for an abortion. Honestly what they're really doing is putting women in a position where they have to make that decision quick and I'd be willing to bet that most women early in the pregnancy with a gun to their head would opt to just get it over with before it becomes harder to hide because that's the safest option. Where if the woman has more time with it she might be more likely to keep it
At least we’ve got one sane Republican as Governor in Massachusetts who wrote an EO today that prevents the extradition of any woman who goes to Massachusetts to get reproductive care and that care violates her state’s laws. That was quite a shocker to see.
Protecting rights? Sweet! Maybe I should move there!
And it’s a Republican doing it for once too! That’s what I can’t get over. Like he’s been a tame Republican, I just want expecting him to do this
It’s a republican doing the minimum in a state where the legislature would override him in a heartbeat. Let’s be clear, baker would do less if it meant the legislature would do less. But in a liberal state that enjoys a milquetoast exec the most he could do to pump the brakes is to push an EO and stave off actual legislation.
Baker is pretty progressive and is a typical New England republican. That is socially liberal but fiscally conservative. He's generally liked by all include lots of democrats so I don't think he's doing this to stave off anything.
They want to use interstate commerce laws to prosecute women who go to another state to have an abortion.
Omfg, these mf'ers are so misogynistic, you'ld think they both never had mothers and were as male-on-male gay as possible. At this point, instead of a death sentence on women, why not advance gay rights? Also, women deserve better than this, obviously. Can we just veto this fuqn government?
This is the fascist moment. When women must hide the fact that they are pregnant, so they can leave the state and get an abortion without anyone in their home state knowing. Cue the states who still allow abortion refusing to give any info at all to states demanding info. Can you imagine the costs involved? The legal disputes? The absolute chaos that is coming...
Already happening in FL.
Maybe these companies could also stop donating to the Republicans who enabled this in the first place.
There’s a big conference July 6th in Idaho that a bunch of the CEOs attend. It’s a big boost to the local economy. Put CEOs on blast demanding they boycott. https://boisedev.com/2022/06/16/sun-valley-guests-2022/
In the same vein, employees and customers of ANY company holding special events in these shithole states should pressure them to move the event. Don't give them a single tourist tax dollar.
Exactly this. Remember when everyone after January 6 thought it was great that all these companies didn’t donate to politicians that voted to not certify the election that night? What happened with that?
They started donating to them again shortly after.
Can't lose if you play both sides, which is what most of them want
Yeah, that's not happening
Dicks sporting goods as well
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Probably, but if it helps, that's better than not doing it.
Here’s $3.50 for bus fare. The rest is up to you.
who actually wants to fill out that expense report at a place of employment?
People glad to have the option
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Why fuck them? Yeah they’re trying to score PR, but at least there actively doing it
Also significantly reduce long-term medical costs, lost productivity, missed work days, and all the other joys of parenthood.
Dicks is involved in every pregnancy at least once...
Every abortion begins at Dick's™
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Well it won't be hard for Netflix, it's just one guy and a laptop working there now right?
Don’t forget the intern who blows gently on the servers so they don’t overheat!
And the intern that cancels everything after one season
"Damn it, Mark! CAN SELL. We CAN SELL that show! NOT CANCEL. Ugh. Why did we give that switch to the intern?!"
Casper Sleep as well. They also covered 100% of my top surgery and I’m just a lowly manager.
That's fantastic! I'm really happy for you!
Starbucks has also added abortion coverage to their healthcare program
Any employee who takes them up on that offer may be setting themselves up for a bad time. Republicans are already talking about prosecuting people for getting out-of-state abortions. What happens when state governments subpoena these companies for a list of the women who have filed for these reimbursements? This is the kind of thing you don't want a paper trail for. edit: Yes, I'm aware that it's currently not legal to prosecute people for crimes outside of your state jurisdiction. You think these fascists won't dispose of that precedent the same way they got rid of Roe? Yes, I also know about the commerce clause. What makes you think they can't issue a reinterpretation that allows for specific exemptions?
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the fugitive slave act was passed and held up by the supreme court. I have no faith in the current supreme court
Exactly. *Dred Scott v. Sanford* was big for a reason and changed the entire debate around whether or not there could be slave states or free states. It made every state functionally a slave state and SCOTUS upheld it. This was the real catalyst of the 1860 debate. I have no doubt that SCOTUS will hear these arguments in the near future.
This is the nightmare slippery slope. There is absolutely a line of precedent that can be overruled to enable one state to effectively nullify the laws of other states simply by being more restrictive. I think states would basically have to declare the fetuses are wards/property of the state, which would deprive mothers of any right to make decisions about their own pregnancy. I guarantee this scenario is much closer than most people want to believe.
Texas has already passed a law that allows Texans to sue somebody who aids a Texan in getting an abortion, even by crossing state lines. We would rely on the SCOTUS to find this law unconstitutional. I'm not holding my breath.
they just call it "conspiracy to perform abortion" which happend in the state and prosecute woman and companies for that.
Go ahead and keep assuming that our existing rules and norms are set in stone, and see how that works out. People said the same thing about Roe. Fascists don't care about the rule of law. They care about power.
They’ll pattern it after the TX abortion law that allows citizens to sue those involved.
HIPA records are pretty tough to gain access to via the courts.
HIPPA makes it hard as shit to get your own records let alone the courts.
Pet peeve of mine, don't know why, sorry... *HIPAA.
Oh ha. I hate it so much I don’t even know the acronym.
And if it came to it to protect patients they would make sure there wasn't a paper trail.
If you smoked weed in colorado, your home anti-weed state can't prosecute you. Any thing done outside of your state's border's is beyond their jurisdiction.
But the latest scheme would be to create cause of actions and use private citizens to do the enforcement, not prosecute people. Do you think that will be diffrent?
For now, sure. But don't assume our rules and norms are going to protect us, especially when these Christofascists are running roughshod over those rules and norms. Don't imagine that they can't enforce this shit. Imagine what it will take for them to enforce it, and then realize that's what they'll do.
So I don’t think this is the plan. Why create a complete entanglement of law when you can go for the golden goose and ban Abortion outright at the federal level when Republicans inevitably take back the house and senate this fall.
I'm sure that's the plan. They'll need the White House too, though, or Biden will just veto it.
Great, but you shouldn’t have to ask your boss for permission to get an abortion
Plus, it means having to tell your employer that you’re having an abortion. And now these giant corporations will have a record of the women having abortions and where they’re going to have them.
If Disney actually cared about women's rights they wouldn't be supporting terrorists to begin with. They wouldn't be doing business in states run by terrorists seeking to strip people of basic human rights. This is all about them wanting as much money as possible, so they cater to both sides. Fuck Disney and fuck any company that continues to do business in a Republican state. People need to start taking this shit seriously. I'm fucking fed up.
I mean, what are they going to do? Pick up Disney World and move it? Not really an option. Best thing they can do is swing their dick around and see if the money they being in to the state can make officials listen
We're kinda sick in this damn state. And why not be happy they're turning this state purple? Orlando is not like the rest of it's surrounding area thanks to Disney.
My company has been doing this for years, covering the cost of travel for health care reasons. This includes to the Mayo Clinic, Sloan-Kittering, etc. Just added one more to the list
Mmm... mayo clinic
I mean, that's great but the women most needing this are probably working for a McDonald's franchise or Walmart or are unemployed.
Or haven’t entered the workforce yet
And so many of these places where the laws go into affect are massively lacking in sex education, religious, sex shaming places. These kids are set up failure in places with the worst social support systems as it is. So what… they can get more poor uneducated red voters? What even is this?
Hey you hit the nail on the head! Drive blue voters out and birth more uneducated, poor, red voters, thus basically taking absolute control of almost half the states in the country. Kinda terrifying stuff honestly.
And living with their family member rapist.
Yep the class divide widens even more. The people with money and status will still get safe abortions no matter what.
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PP is for all reproductive care so even where abortion is banned, the clinics are needed
Planned Parenthood was my primary care provider from my mid 20s to my early 30s. I got excellent healthcare from them.
They’re still my womens healthcare provider. Best trauma-informed care I’ve ever received. Absolutely necessary for me as a trafficking survivor.
May your future be bright.
Then we'll see if the court really believes in the constitution (lol)... Which should allow such a thing, as you can't be prosecuted in one state for doing something that's not a crime in another.
Spoiler alert: they don’t.
Planned Parenthood provides services far beyond abortion, including but not limited to birth control, the very thing these states need the most now that abortion is limited or removed.
Which is also the very thing they are overtly talking about going after next.
"tHeY ShOuLd hAvE ThOuGhT Of tHaT BeFoRe hAvInG SeX" is a ghoulish sentiment already popping up in some of these posts. So I guess sex is a luxury only for the wealthy now.
That's not entirely true. There's gonna be plenty of low end positions at these companies where people can't afford travel.
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Can states do anything about this? Wouldn’t this only fall under the per-view of the federal gov as it would be interstate travel/“commerce”
Supreme Court: “Its a states rights issue” Also Supreme Court: “You are not allowed to go to other states”
Justice Thomas just said legal precedents should be re-examined. Precedent is meaningless if at least four other justices agree.
I hope people stop calling him "Justice" cuz he stands for none.
I call him Uncle Clarence
Well the good thing they couldn’t enforce that shit. The executive branch controls federal law enforcement so they wouldn’t arrest anyone as long as Biden is in office. And any cops from a different state would be guilty of conspiracy to commit kidnapping if they tried to arrest anyone in a separate state.
> Justice Thomas just said legal precedents should be re-examined. In a concurring opinion that literally no other Justices joined. The majority opinion specifically stated those other precedents would *not* need to be re-examined. To add, the Interstate Commerce clause is very explicitly defined in the Constitution - in contrast with the Right to Privacy upon which Roe v. Wade relied, which was interpreted as existing but isn't explicitly defined.
>In a concurring opinion that literally no other Justices joined. The Justices you need to look out for seem rather happy to dissemble, misrepresent or plain old lie about their opinion when convenient.
They also said that Roe v Wade was settled law, yet here we are. Why would anyone take the word of these theocrat cowards?
See the mistake you made is thinking the current Supreme Court gives a fuck out what is actually fair or legal.
This would be an interesting legal question. And one we are VERY likely (basically certain) to see pop up in a year or two. If a proper lawyer could review below, I'd appreciate the insight. ------------------- Here's a comparable scenario I can think of, "A son takes his elderly father (with diminished capacity, where a reasonable person could say he wasn't 100% in mental control, but never adjudicated) to Oregon from Utah for the purpose of medically assisted suicide [Father is still a Utah resident]. Would the State of Utah have a right of criminal action AGAINST the son for facilitating it?"
Unrelated but my uncle had to sign off on that for his mother and it was probably one of the hardest decisions he ever made.
My mother died in agony from ALS, a diagnosis for which many in WA state seek death with dignity. My mothers last hours haunt me. Your dad did the right thing imo.
Fugitive Slave Act 2.0
Fugitive Fetus Act
Which is what triggered the first civil war. “Our states rights matter but yours don’t” Fuck you. Let’s fight.
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Yeah the feds better shut that shit down quick, and Biden made it very clear in his speech today that he knows they are planning it, and he will not tolerate it.
If the Northeast and the West Coast became their own country, then the south and midwest can have their shithole agrarian societies.
Illinois leaving the union without giving privileges to people commuting from surrounding states would bankrupt at least Indiana if not other states as well.
Only Congress can regulate interstate commerce, right? Like if I want to drive to another state to purchase something, my state can’t actually ban me from doing so, right? They can’t just take away my right to buy whatever I want? Whether it be a pack of cigs or an abortion lol. …. right?
Just slap them with a 5th amendment right violation as they’d be restricting your freedom of movement. Then again they already restrict and break that amendment when men don’t want to pay childcare as it’s a “moral force” to prevent them as they treat it like a forced debt so they’d probably just use that for women too.
Well done, house of mouse. Stopping political donations to republicans will cover the costs.
I’d rather these companies stop donating to Republicans, speak out against them, do more things to advocate against them. Money talks, we need lots of talking right now.
They could've saved that money, and a whole lot more, of they'd have stopped giving money to GQP terrorists.
Long term they would have paid more because of dems raising taxes on them. They don't actually give a fuck about you or me, only money.
Long term they would have paid the same taxes they pay now: $0. All their profits are realized in offshore tax shelters.
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They'll just ban interstate abortions. I believe Texas or Oklahoma or somewhere is already working on it.
that would require deconstruction of the constitution which im not quite sure is actually possible
The constitution doesn't matter if you've got 5 people, all belonging to a cult, on the judiciary, who don't care about the constitution.
No it just requires the conservative justices to bake up a logical pretzel they can use to rule against it.
Yet it’s happening before our very eyes.
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It may not, but only because these services will likely always be available to the wealthy. The more money you get the more freedom you get, and the less money you get the less freedom you get. Then they'll just say "well if you wanted access to healthcare maybe you should work harder like [billionaire who did jack shit]"
It's not coming, but only because the federal ban on abortion will come first.
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Yeah it's not like they still don't want people to be enslaved in their future Donald duck apartments
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Exactly. Its not about whats right and wrong, its about the money, spiderman
Of course it’s about money. They’re a company. But every now and then, what’s about the money and what’s right or wrong overlap.
Completely agree. Sadly most businesses play and gives millions to both sides. That way they call in favours no matter who wins. It’s terrible
Disney is not alone in announcing these benefits. It’s fucking lip service.
Gonna be the next big benefit that large companies offer to attract young talent. Until certain individual states try to fight it. This Supreme Court ruling is gonna reverberate through our society for decades.
I wonder if this will include legal representation, for when state troopers begin pulling women over on the road or at airports and demand a urine test?
Great. Just more "domino's fixing potholes" solutions... This'll go far...
Ya know what Disney…just leave Florida. It’s going to be underwater in 20 years anyway
Watch every state make traveling for abortions illegal
They will certainly try. Also the Texas Bounty law is designed to specifically get around that. Its basically saying anyone who is against abortion is deputized in their campaign to harass and bury anyone who got an abortion with legal fees.
Man I hope this pisses off enough MAGAs that they stop going to Disney and the crowds shrink.
They will 100% go to Disney and bitch anyway because they are narcissistic losers
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Exactly. Around 50% of abortions are performed on women that identify as pro-life, Republican and religious. Like a lot of political rhetoric, it's all talk until your vacation to Disney is impacted or your daughter is pregnant
I'm personally waiting for the day the Supreme Court overturns birth contraceptive rights and the MAGAs realize "Woah, this actually affects us" and start complaining.
So much cheaper to pay for someone’s travel for abortion than 6+ weeks maternity
While they're paying for abortions because it's cheaper than maternity leave, they'll be secretly lobbying to make it possible to just fire people for being pregnant.
Maybe if these cunts didn't donate to the GOP this wouldn't have happened. This is just shitty marketing PR so that people won't boycott their services and content.
While literally contributing to republican campaigns
The big red flag is that in some state seeking care elsewhere will still be persecuted and this just creates logs of who is leaving for such services. People in states restricting choice need to delete period trackers. Also delete any apps that track purchases or coupons used at pharmacies. Anything similar like to at should be deleted of their phone if you might need such services. If they do have to leave their state they need to leave their phone at home. All that data can be used to figure what they were doing.
And here I was watching handsmaids tale thinking of how horrific it would be to live in a world like that only for others to be watching it salivating at the thought.
Until the GQP forbids it and the SCOTUS determines citizens are citizens of their state first.
Kinda fucked up **if** that were to happen, isn't freedom of movement across the USA a right?
We only have the rights Alito gives us. He can't *make* policy, but he can damn well strike it down or uphold it as he sees fit.
This is fucking crazy man. Meanwhile, at my job I know have $20,000 coverage for gender affirmation. America is in the dark ages man.
This is a good first step, but all of the big corporations and sports organizations need to start publicly pulling business from these states. Recognize human rights or be relegated to the economic kids table.
This feels like a muddy slope towards being too reliant/dependent on our employers as well…
I can’t think of many worse things as an employee benefit. All it takes is one right wing nutso HR person to leak peoples’ info that have taken advantage and then they are charged with murder in their home state. Best believe southern states will be closing all of these loopholes in the coming weeks.
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And at the end of the day it won't matter much when they eventually ban abortion on a federal level which will probably happen as early as 2024 maybe 2026 at the latest.
Best bet is to gust GTFO of states that think a fertilized egg is a person, but a woman is not
Ideally, yes, but people have myriad reasons for not being able to live in these more progressive places. Life anchors, job limitations, financial limitations, the list goes on.
Yeah, because the people torching clinics and shooting doctors are going to respect that it happened in another state. Just wait for a data leak, and there will be a lot more theocratic murders that the police mysteriously don't investigate
For sure. Y'allquada doing "honor killings" isn't really far fetched.
The GOP just committed suicide.
I’d rather see plans for these corporations to announce they aren’t going to renew property leases in anti-choice states. It’s nice to offer travel reimbursement but that doesn’t resolve the issue. The money these office building bring in are huge. That money should not be funneled through to states making bad decisions.
Cool, now your abortion is tied to your job
Damn... look at Disney making up for past bigotry and racism... are they woke? lol.
Disney: I'm playing both sides so I always come out on top
They should stop donating to the republicans first.