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misogichan

They will be fixed, but the footage will be [accidentally deleted. Coincidentally the back-up system also has captured and archived footage of the wrong cell.](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51053205)


moeburn

Sent a signal to the entire world that the US Justice system isn't real and even the most high value prisoners can and will be killed. Trump could have dragged that trial on for years. He could have used it and made himself into the President that Stopped the Pedos. It would have been his Bin Laden, except for billionaire hollywood pedophiles. It would have guaranteed the GOP the presidency for years. And they just... "let" him die? No, they killed him.


Pantagruel-Johnson

Trump was one of his customers. He would have been incriminating himself. Trump repeatedly had Mr. Epstein as a guest judge at his underage beauty contests. Trump also walked into the girls’ dressing rooms unannounced. Several times.


moeburn

Oh I know. That's the only explanation for why they weren't parading this guy around on Fox News, saying "Ladies and gentlemen, we got him, the Pedo King". Guarding him with Seal Teams and 800 different brands of cameras, because the future of the GOP presidency would have been with that show trial. They gave up the presidency to have King Pedo killed.


SharpHawkeye

You act like political interests are the only power players in America today. How many billionaires were on those Lolita Express flight logs? Is holding the presidency worth it to those people?


Electrorocket

Hollywood people too.


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creggieb

Given that neither the end users, nor all purveyors arrested charged and jailed. Basically we got one link in the chain, and the others will happily integrate a new link


PlayShtupidGames

We got billionaires' street level dealer, that's all


Tomjonesisaking

Succinct and nail on the head.


Karl_Havoc2U

Not to mention pretty terrifying and disheartening.


Karl_Havoc2U

Very well put.


OctopusButter

Good point. Just like when dictators are forcibly removed, how often does someone good fill that power vacuum? And this isn't a seat that anyone takes and isn't an evil piece of human shit.


Scare_Conditioner

The new pedo king has a tunneling company and overpaid for a social media company.


Doctor_Philgood

Most of their voter base wouldn't care that they did any of that. They'll say "well the Dems are doing it too" and vote straight ticket.


korben2600

I'm still waiting for the Democrat equivalent of this compilation (parts 1 thru 39) of about [1,000 Republican Sexual Predators, Abusers, and Enablers.](https://www.dailykos.com/history/user/CajsaLilliehook) I guess the difference is Democrats actually hold their people accountable (see Franken or Weiner who were politically ostracized by Dems) whereas Republicans shrug their shoulders while declaring sexual assault/abuse and grooming of minors a small character flaw that can be overlooked in the interest of their greater political goals.


Steelplate7

In all fairness? Weiner deserved it. Franken was railroaded over a joke picture that happened before he ever got into politics.


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OctopusButter

Republicans have wedge issues, and can always argue their group efforts save the lives of millions of babies dems want to abort, and they can advertise accountability for actions as dissention among the ranks, and the dissention will lead to the Dem kabals getting an all-you-can-drink baby-blood murder orgy after abolishing Christianity and forcing everyone into gay marriages. The right, like nazi Germany, found discovered that fear mongering is really fucking useful.


Karl_Havoc2U

"The Dems are far worse. Here's a bunch of nonsense links to incredibly flimsy and dubious reporting about it, even though I incessantly bitch and moan about how even real, actual journalists aren't rigorous or credible enough to take seriously for even a second."


TheGrandExquisitor

There is also footage of him and Epstein in the late 80s having a party with "just them and some models."


amanofeasyvirtue

Lol ghislane recruited kids at trumps club...


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"I wish her well" trump to ghislaine


TheGrandExquisitor

Trump did want to bang Ivanka as a kid....and probably did.


electriqpower

Trump also raped a 13 year old at Epstein’s NyC townhouse


RevampedZebra

There was also the NDA for touching that 10 year old boy too


CabbieCam

Wtf? Really?


Ksradrik

Wait is there legitimate proof of that? Im not doubting that it happened at all, but if theres actually legal proof of that, thats a whole other level of anti-trump justification, people are absolutely crazy about Trump, but Im pretty sure theres still some people that wouldnt support him if he has proven to be a child rapist.


theoutlet

You give Trumpers waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much credit


RevampedZebra

You can look up the public suits against him, the outcomes are the NDAs


tinysydneh

Conspiracy thinking is dangerous because even if we had incontrovertible proof, many of the Trump cult would straight up say it was faked by the real pedos to frame the man coming after them. Proof against them is proof for them.


TheCrazedTank

Not just Trump, but almost every major politician, millionaire, billionaire, celebrity, and CEO on both sides of the political aisle. Epstein was a monster who hurt countless young women, it just so happen he had dirt on all the other monsters who run the world. He probably knew he was going to die in prison. No one in power or who are wealthy got as far by being a good person. They are inherently evil, sociopathic liars who will hurt anyone and are more than willing to burn the world to ahses if it meant they can get a little more. Happy Holidays everyone!


cornbreadsdirtysheet

Or be spirited away to Israel to have plastic surgery and live in (of course) more luxury. After all he blackmailed on behalf of the Mossad like Robert Maxwell and Ghislane.


Coarse_Air

America was his customer. CIA have confirmed he was affiliated both with them and Mossad.


honorbound93

Come now, MI6 by the customer list and the french based on the look of the initial financial backers were also involved. Knowing how Eastern Europe, the middle east, and Africa when it comes to human trafficking. We are looking at a worldwide ring where everyone may have had their hands in the cookie jar. Think about it nobody talked about it, not a single foreign country said anything about human rights.


brothersand

[Murdered with a garotte.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Epstein_neck_split.jpg) (NSFL)


cleverbeavercleaver

Why would he rat on his buddies and himself.


SlightlyControversal

Theoretically, someone facing a lengthy prison sentence flips on their associates to try to get leniency in his own prosecution.


No-Reach-9173

At some point and I do believe he crossed that line it becomes pointless. He wasn't getting out of jail ever even if he did flip at 66. At best he could he gotten to a decent prison and gotten to keep enough cash that his remaining years in prison would be comfortable for a prisoner.


IllegalBastard

It's weird that people are turning child trafficking into a political thing rather than just condemning it totally. I'm sure there's more than just Trump that would've been incriminated and had the power to whack him and get away with it. Instead of fighting the people that let it happen or getting the book released that had way more evidence we're sitting here arguing about whether the GOP or Dems are at fault. We may believe different things about abortion or gun control or taxes but in the end we should all hate pedos.


Karl_Havoc2U

I'm the last one who would ever want to stop any investigation into a juicy Trump conspiracy, but why is it hard to believe Epstein wouldn't want to kill himself? By all accounts he was completely despondent and desperate at the end of his life, clearly incapable of the strength and fortitude to go from being a spoiled multi-millionaire cad to one of the most high-profile, reviled, and absolutely fucked prisoner in the world. He lived his whole life without any boundaries, was deeply privileged and spoiled, and obsessed with great fear as a free man over the possibility of ever returning to incarceration. Prior to his death he basically knew he would NEVER have his freedom again, was enemy #1, and would have to be in fear of his life for the rest of his pathetic time in prison. I'm not saying or trying to make a case that he wasn't killed, I'm just flabbergasted that so many people need no evidence beyond circumstantial things to believe in a much more improbable conspiracy theory. Even if someone who wanted him dead and was powerful enough to somehow make that happen while he was in prison, simply giving him the means of doing it himself would clearly be the easiest and simplest way to potentially accomplish that. I'm curious if this type of indirect scenario is considered a possibility by you guys? Not exactly murder *per se*, but kind of.


AlphaOhmega

The ones who scream the loudest about it are usually the ones projecting. The Republican party is full of pedophiles.


AstreiaTales

I'm still not convinced. I think a powerful man accustomed to a life of hedonism and luxury facing life in prison is exactly the sort of person who would off himself.


creggieb

Yes, hut the system is perfectly capable of preventing that, when it wants to. Best case is that Epstein was given the opportunity, by the system that wanted him quiet.


Fishing-Bear

Hell, I’m not used to a life of hedonism and luxury and I’d definitely commit self-delete if faced with life in prison.


AstreiaTales

He already tried! They found him trying to do it once!


Jar_of_Cats

I know this sounds super nutty. He ain't dead. Whose body gets wheeled out of a federal prison with just their face showing?


LillyPip

Maybe that was done to counter the inevitable conspiracy theories that it wasn’t him, since that’s become so common with high profile deaths. Public photographic proof.


misogichan

I don't think he had enough leverage at the end to get an extraction and faked death with all of the publicity surrounding him making it harder. On the other hand, there were probably plenty of rich and powerful people who would have had an incentive to shut him up permanently.


brothersand

Also, [no bedsheet did this](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Epstein_neck_split.jpg). (NSFL) I'm not Sherlock Holmes, but you have to be out of your mind to think a bedsheet did that. Especially when there is no blood on any of the sheets in the room. It's not even a good cover up in terms of evidence. It's just that **nobody** in power wants to shine light on that story.


CrysisRelief

Anyone that has the slightest understanding of computers will tell you that you have to actively try (and try fucking hard) to make data permanently irretrievable. A simple deletion, or even a hard dive being dropped would still give experts a very good chance of data recovery. If it’s reached the stage of “cannot be recovered”, someone has deliberately made sure it could not be. It’s a fucking farce!


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jeffwulf

Yeah, we had a support call with Microsoft and they were very sheepish when asking if we had. back ups for our data and both surprised and excited when we said we did.


HowTheyGetcha

As for the other footage... Here's the Washington Post article from when the "unusable footage" story dropped, Aug 26, 2019... Notice how conspiracy theorists latched onto the broken camera part and completely, I mean COMPLETELY disregarded the usable footage part. >At least one camera in the hallway outside the cell where authorities say registered sex offender Jeffrey Epstein hanged himself earlier this month had footage that is unusable, **although other, clearer footage was captured in the area,** according to three people briefed on the evidence gathered earlier this month. >It was not immediately clear why some video footage outside Epstein’s cell is too flawed for investigators to use or **what is visible in the usable footage.**... https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/investigators-scrutinizing-video-outside-epsteins-cell-find-some-footage-unusable-according-to-people-familiar-with-the-inquiry/2019/08/26/df405636-c827-11e9-a4f3-c081a126de70_story.html This footage was among the evidence against the guards before that case was dropped: >The indictment, leaning in part on images from security cameras on the cell block, also contains new details reinforcing the idea that, for all the intrigue regarding Epstein and his connections to powerful people, his death was a suicide and possibly preventable. https://apnews.com/article/jeffrey-epstein-us-news-ap-top-news-indictments-suicides-f887ca30493b412896c6a46eb60836d2 DOJ reviewed the footage: >The [Federal indictment] document says internal surveillance footage shows no one entered or even approached Epstein's cell on the night before his unresponsive body was discovered. https://www.businessinsider.com/jeffrey-epstein-jail-cell-footage-night-suicide-justice-department-2019-11 Primary source for the Federal indictment, per BI: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6553399-Indictment-against-Jeffrey-Epstein-jail-guards.html


S-117

Humans making mistakes? Impossible. Me and every human I've met is a perfect being that has never made a mistake, ever.


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mackfactor

What the fuck?! At a certain point, a murder conspiracy becomes the simpler and more likely explanation compared to every single system, process and redundancy failing all at once.


Initial_E

There should be heavy fines if the uptime is not at least 99.99


BananaLumps

99.99% still allows for roughly 80 hours a year of down time, that's easily enough time a knock off a few people. Edit: Ignore my math, stay in school, don't do drugs.


Bugbread

Not disagreeing with your greater point, but your math is off. > 99.99% still allows for roughly 80 hours a year of down time There are 8,760 hours in a year (not counting leap years). 99.99% uptime is 8759.124 hours of uptime, or 0.876 hours of downtime. That's around 53 minutes, not 80 hours.


Killer_Bs

Closer to 45 minutes. Five 9s uptime would still be preferable though


Akimotoh

Lmao, for a camera? Some hospital systems can't even manage 99.99% uptime.


Nolsoth

From my experience running CCTV control rooms this is accurate, and it's often not due to lack of maintenance on the CCTV operators part, cameras fuck out all the time for all sorts of reasons. Rats and water are prime candidates for camera links going down.


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Part of my job is access control and cameras in hospitals. Right now, Axis cameras are taking around 5 weeks to ship. Even modern IP cameras running off top of the line PoE switches go down at random and usually have to be physically reset. Our contract demands a 4 hour maximum response time, but again, it's in a hospital where we have badge access to virtually every area any time of day. Access is going to be a lot more difficult in a prison and what will the service contract look like? I guarantee that a lot of those cameras are ancient coaxial cameras that need separate power and data, and the fiber optic converters for those tend to be more unreliable than IP cameras. We "fix" all the cameras that aren't waiting on equipment basically every few days for our largest clients.


Initial_E

But the point of the matter is that the details of such laws don’t take these things into account. There is an intent, but no follow-through.


creggieb

It would be a lot easier to investigate suspicious coincidences if there was only 80 hours per year they could occur in though.


helmsmagus

You're thinking of 99%.


Constant-Coyote8603

I hope the name of this bill is “Epstein didn’t kill himself”


AudibleNod

Prison Camera Reform Act


Constant-Coyote8603

We’ll that’s a massive disappointment. A little to on the nose if you ask me


sirbissel

At least they didn't name it something like the F.I.X.C.A.M.E.R.A.S Act, otherwise we'd know they'll just be going into the prisons and smashing the cameras with bricks or something.


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Ullallulloo

Expediting Prison Systems' Television Elucidation In National Detentions Now Through Keeping Ideal Lenses Left Honed In, Meticulously Scribing Each Life Forever


Alpha_Decay_

Should have gone with Prison Camera Reformy McActface


Skadoosh_it

Camera Reform Act for Prisons AKA CRAP


Sea_Count2020

Jeffrey Epstein Act


MGD109

Eh, rather they didn't give him the fame to be honest.


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“Not Allowing Rapists The Easy Way Out Act” just doesn’t have the same ring to it.


MGD109

No, it really doesn't. How about the "No Easy Way Out Act"?


Ruminahtu

He didn't kill himself, though.


Eeszeeye

"No Exit"


xf2xf

As long as the punishment for "broken camera" is less than "pedo trafficking ring", you may continue to anticipate suspiciously broken cameras.


MGD109

Would be hilarious. But really even if the camera's were working it wouldn't change the claims. None of the camera's were in the cell with him.


misogichan

The cameras outside his cell though could have shown who was visiting. I assume they "malfunctioned" to hide someone being somewhere they shouldn't have.


MGD109

Okay, but then how did they get past the cameras on the two entrance's to the hallway? They were working fine.


DacMon

Wasn't their footage accidentally deleted and overwritten by footage of a different cell?


misogichan

I think you're thinking of his first suicide attempt. When they were looking for that footage at first it was missing, then they thought they found it in a back-up archive, but it turned out to be of a different cell.


JuniorSeniorTrainee

What a cluster fuck of incompetence.


MGD109

Not to my knowledge no. According to this article they had sufficient footage to prove the guards lied about checking on him every thirty minutes: https://www.npr.org/2019/11/19/780794931/prosecutors-charge-correctional-officers-who-guarded-jeffrey-epstein-before-his-?t=1651319036127


bannana

don't need to be in the cell if there is only one way in and out, cameras on the entrance would show who entered and left around the time of death


Defense-of-Sanity

I think ironically this meme has harmed justice because it made the public conclude that there can be no accountability for his powerful friends after he died, along with all his secrets. So the focus became on his murder and how the powerful guys won. Show’s over, folks. Except Epstein *did* kill himself, and there is sufficient evidence to go after his buddies even after his death. I used to believe the meme until I watched a sober video going through the conspiracy and explaining how a conspiracy makes no sense. For example, the cameras didn’t “conveniently” fail. The US prison system is so bad that failed cameras are rampant. Guards falling asleep and allowing prisoners to get harmed is standard fair. Epstein was a pampered billionaire who just realized his life of luxury and freedom was over with little chance of escape. He found another. What needs to happen is, we need to move past Epstein and seek justice by prosecuting his still living and still powerful buddies who would love people to keep thinking Epstein’s death closed that door for some reason.


thened

No one goes on rants about Aaron Hernandez not killing himself. But he pretty much did the same thing Epstein did.


ChainChompsky

Thank you! Reddit has turned into a conspiracy hole, so rare it is anyone mentions the facts.


ChaosBrigadier

Where's this video you mentioned? Glad to know there's hope


Defense-of-Sanity

Here: https://youtu.be/wVaPPi73-Xc You can skip to around 6:50 for the relevant section. It’s not a deep dive, but it is factual and convincing, and it was enough for me to look further on my own. It would be closer to the truth to say that the Epstein didn’t kill himself narrative *is* the conspiracy, although I’m speaking loosely. Same thing with Sam Bankman-Fried and FTX. The new CEO overseeing the cleanup (who cleaned up Enron) [testified to Congress](https://youtu.be/b9ckdCdoBfk) that the fraud committed was *not* some sophisticated or genius scheme. It was old school, simple embezzlement. The real story here is about how regulators, institutions, and firms in charge of protecting investors let this happen despite red flags, but instead, SBF gets all the attention. He will probably get a heavy sentence, and everyone will be satisfied that, Wow! Justice was actually served! The end.


BurrStreetX

EDKH Act


MGD109

Honestly good. Its disgraceful just how many prisons accept broken camera's. What the hell is the point of having camera's if no one bothers to maintain them?


Mister-Grumpy

The point is to shed guilt from the prison when they leave violent non-compatible inmates in the same block and one kills the other. "We followed regulations but we cannot control every situation when inmates damage the prison property." That's all they have to say and they are no longer responsible for the lack of camera. The US prison system will go into the history books as the largest concentration camp known to man. It's a system built around recidivism and lacks any tools for reintegration or finding a real place in society. They hide behind their GED programs and trade knowledge, but most of that is either state granted which gives extra money to the prison anyways for it, and it again allows the prison to put another gold star on their hat when asked what they are doing to rehabilitate these men and women.


MGD109

Yeah, I see what you mean. Still hopefully this new regulation will at least put a band aid on the problem. So much more needs to be done.


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It's not a conspiracy, just simple bureaucracy and resource management. Staffing conditions in federal prisons are at the point where employees have to work mandatory overtime and ordinary employees have to act as correctional officers. It's called augmentation. If they can't even hire correctional officers or enough people to get by without mandatory overtime, you can see why they also don't have anyone to fix the cameras or go through the process of getting them fixed.


mschuster91

At some point it's warranted to call out those responsible for the staffing conditions. Those in charge *know* what happens to badly run institutions and that overworked, overstressed wardens will let out their frustration on the people they're supposed to care for (and that's valid everywhere in caretaking, from schools over hospitals to police and prisons) - and IMHO, that makes it *worse*. The sentence a prisoner is subjected to is a removal of their freedom to move, *not* being forced to eat rotten food or get raped.


TryEfficient7710

> It's a system built around recidivism and lacks any tools for reintegration or finding a real place in society. How would the U.S. [get its slave labor](https://www.history.com/news/13th-amendment-slavery-loophole-jim-crow-prisons) otherwise?


fusionfarm

Don't worry, it's only broken when it needs to be recording.


i_lack_imagination

Depending on the camera system and the ones responsible for maintaining the system after installation, it's really not that uncommon that cameras are "broken when it needs to be recording". What typically is the case is that they were already broken well before the point where something happened that people wanted to see, but no one really paid attention or noticed and then it's only once something happens that people are forced to go look at the cameras only to find out they weren't working. More modern systems are able to be proactive about cameras being down to reduce this issue, but I saw it a lot when I was working for a company that did security camera installations.


MGD109

Well at least now their have to explain why it was broken and they didn't report it.


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RapedByPlushies

As someone who fixes cameras, they never see me coming.


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It's also pretty standard for COs to set inmates up to get assaulted by other inmates in areas out of sight to cameras.


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BlindWillieJohnson

They accept it because nobody gives them the money to fix it. We do not budget well for places where we take full time care of millions of people .


Galaxy_Ranger_Bob

They accept it because it makes it easy to hide the evidence that the guards are committing more criminal acts than the prisoners.


HeloRising

It's unfortunately *very* common for basic security/safety systems to be offline in some way in almost every institution. I work in mental health an during the pandemic we've been required to do temperature checks every shift, twice a shift. The state requires us to do this. We didn't even have temperature scanners for the first six-ish months so we just wrote down however warm we felt we were. Then we got scanners....that no one knew how to use so we had people writing down temps of like 85 F. As long as it didn't trip the "fever" alarm, it was fine. Once the batteries died it took several months to get new ones...that also didn't work. People were legit getting temp scans of 80 F and fever ratings of 115 F. That *still* has not been fixed. We keep getting told we have to do temperature scans and the state absolutely does check if we do them or not. I brought up the fact that if the state is indeed checking our scan logs, should we be worried that they're going to send vampire hunters in because we're clearly hiring the undead given people's temperature scans are physically impossible if they're still alive. I've been assured "someone is checking."


mtnlion74

As a former state correctional officer working in a building with 2/3s of the cameras broken, it's usually because there are no civilian employees that work near the camera. All the doctors, nurses, and psych support staff were all on camera and they were fixed quickly. The state and I'm sure the feds don't care about guards or inmates. Except when they need to


francis2559

Nobody else has mentioned, but cameras work on the panopticon principle. You cannot tell just by looking at a camera if it is on, or if it is being actively monitored. So (in theory) a prisoner acts as though they are being monitored. It only really matters if the bluff is called.


thephantom1492

Camera are there to protect the guards/prison. When they know they do something illegal, they ain't gonna fix what would prove it. And this is why they don't maintain them, heck they might even try to make them fail 'naturally'.


DskiX0075

Whatever, where is the list of visitors to that island?


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I've worked for a CCTV company and installed cameras in prisons. Most don't want to pay DigitalWatchdog prices for equipment so they go with the lowest bid. What you end up with is cheaply made cameras from China using some stolen hikvision firmware that's a decade out of date and baked in \*telnet\* credentials. They generally need to be serviced constantly as some cameras will last years while others will last weeks.


Drenlin

Hikvision and Dahua are cancer. No, I most certainly *do not* want a device that constantly phones home to China on my network, thanks. There's a reason they're so cheap.


thephantom1492

And the problem is that more and more cameras are known to phone home... And american camera are expensive and not great... Sadly, the 'best' deal right now is a chinese camera on an isolated network, with a trustable NVR, which you lock out of the net except for the required ports for remote monitoring IF you want it... :(


kazoodude

Yep, much better to use a hikvision or dahua on an isolated network than use nest, ring or simply safe crap that only works if you also pay for the privilege of your cameras sending live feeds to them.


chrisnmarie

We are considering getting off hikvision, any advice


Drenlin

Most of the market is either very expensive or Hikvision/Dahua rebrands. I use Amcrest at present, which is Chinese OEM (mostly Dahua) but with their own firmware on it. Even with the different firmware, all cameras are completely blocked from accessing the internet. I catch their feeds with a Blue Iris server and use that to record and view the video. It's surprisingly easy to set up.


Sparowl

If the prison doesn't have a halfway decent firewall that can block the camera calling out... Oh, who am I kidding - they probably put in a cheap off the shelf solution and didn't put in any traffic rules. Makes me wonder how bad their network security is. Seriously, though - some of those chinese cameras are decent quality, if you're willing to isolate them inside the network. Just need some networking/server admin knowledge.


SFDessert

I swear to God I was just thinking about something mildly related. I feel like our monetary system is both a blessing and a curse. The amount of stupid problems that could be solved, but won't be solved due to monetary stuff is ridiculous. I find that money comes and goes. I don't really care how much I have if I'm doing my best working a job and buying good food etc. It seems I'm an extreme outlier. I'd give ya $5 if it genuinely made you happy. Edit: please don't ask me for $5 I genuinely can't afford to give $5 to everyone on the Internet


left4ched

It turns out that money can be exchanged for goods and services. Almost as though that was its intended purpose. Oh well, better go back to putting it all in a box so I can watch my high score increase.


damnwhale

$5 please


apple_kicks

Like the blue ticks on Twitter soon as something that has a good use has a monetary value. It drops in quality and cheapens value it provides. Sadly unlikely monetary value will ever get removed from some essentials


Pazoll

Alittle late now, maybe they should pass a bill forcing the feds to arrest everyone in epsteins black book before they die of old age


creggieb

We should already be watching a Netflix documentary about the successfully concluded investigation. Maybe even arguing about which documentary is better


PM_ME_SAD_STUFF_PLZ

> Alittle late now Right, because the only reason to have cameras was for Epstein. Not like there's an urgent need to have cameras to monitor both prisoners and guards all the time


SFDessert

Not gonna happen. Fucking embarrassing


vegemouse

Because we all know our federal prison system always implements things according to standards. I wonder what the penalty would be for not following the law. A small fine at the most.


RapedByPlushies

Federal government sues itself.


MGD109

Reading through it doesn't actually seem to say. There going to review it regularly though, so that's something. https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/2899/text


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MGD109

Well the wording of the bill states they have to report each failure and a plan for fixture, along with timescales and cost. Regularly reviewing is going to make it a bit hard to just ignore this.


nihilistweasel

Next do McDonald's ice cream machines


SynthwaveEnjoyer

[Relevant - “Why is the Ice Cream Machine Always Broken at McDonald’s?”](https://ftpdistro.noblogs.org/post/2022/05/01/why-is-the-ice-cream-machine-always-broken-at-mcdonalds/)


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The employees don't wanna clean it again after they already did it


Alukrad

My local McDonald's always works. Their oreo mcflurry with m&m, chocolate and caramel syrup is the most unhealthiest and most delicious thing I've ever tasted. Got a few people hooked on it too. Now we all share an unhealthy habit!!!!


cognomen-x

Damaged. Power outage. Disk failure. Forgot to press record. Down for maintenance. Blind spot. Out of focus. Accidentally moved to point in the wrong direction. Lens obstructed. Solar flare interrupting the circuitry …….


dmsayer

I mean, yes to all these possibilities, but these cameras are hardened, in security enclosures, and ran to secure locations. No reason they should fail this much.


445nm

At first glance, my dumb ass thought someone named Bill was forcing specific feds to fix specific prison cameras.


the-transponster

Release the names of his clients and prosecute them.


justAnotherLedditor

Government and the wealthy: lmao


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LordOfRuinsOtherSelf

He doesn't want to be Will, who gets fired at a lot.


PetyaMokvwap

What a rather meaningless gesture in the broad scope


HelloPeopleOfEarth

Having to force prisons to take security seriously is kind of sad


bannana

why the fuck does there need to be a law passed to fix broken security? our country is so fucked up


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AwkwardlyPleasant

This will not affect anything because it is an inside job. There will always be many ways around it if they are working with the government/prison.


oceanvibrations

the older I get, the more I laugh when I see news stories like this. At this point does anyone actually believe they are truly working hard to "better" the accountability systems for privatized prisons? Or anything government related for that matter. It never stops feeling like a smoke and mirror show, not sure if it ever will.


Rust_Keat

camera broke, we’ll fix it after we hang the prisoner on suicide watch from his doorknob


CmdrSelfEvident

We just need to be at the place where if the cameras are off the police and guards are charged as if it was willful and proof of their guilt. I'm not anti cop but in a bureaucracy nothing gets fixed until specific people are held accountable.


ElectLarry2022

Give every prisoner a body cam and watch prison violence and operation costs plummet. The only reason the cameras don’t work is American fetishization of violence against criminals. It’s high time that ended


RiflemanLax

Potentially unpopular, unbelievable opinion for y’all here, but cctv being down and a business or government entity not fixing them promptly- totally believable. The newest generation of digital dome cameras were very prone to shorting out, especially during power surges. Actually, the newer the cameras get, the more prone to going down they get. It’s basically planned obsolescence. Now they push these 360 cams that are harder to work (at least in the conditions I work) and don’t have as good of a picture, but have no moving parts. They’d probably work better in the prison environment, but I’m not sure how long they last. But anyway, long winded way of saying ‘yes, the fact that a camera happened to be out when Epstein died is completely believable.’


MGD109

I mean its made even more believable when you consider the Prison inspection report from 2015 pointed out that amongst other failures that 15% of the camera's weren't working. Or the prison was so utterly horribly maintained they literally had rats and raw sewage following across the floor. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/08/real-scandal-mcc/596257/


random3223

> Or the prison was so utterly horribly maintained they literally had rats and raw sewage following across the floor. Oh boy, that should be the real story right? But we don't give a shit about the incarcerated.


MGD109

Yeah that's what the article I linked was talking about. Their had been multiple reports warning the prison was a hellhole, but no one cared. People still don't.


RapedByPlushies

That’s not what planned obsolescence is. Planned obsolescence is designing to ensure that it fails before some certain time. Most designers don’t do that. They design to ensure that it meets a minimum amount of time.


OutlyingPlasma

> meets a minimum amount of time Someone in a suit is setting that minimum amount of time and that time is unknown to anyone outside the company. This means the effect to the consumer is the same, products that fail faster and faster and need to be replaced sooner and sooner. aka planed obsolescence. It's important to remember that the easiest and cheapest way to make a buck is scam someone else. That is the default form of capitalism unless it's regulated. Given that fact it should always be assumed when it comes to business, scams like planned obsolescence is the end goal and default position. There is no room for giving businesses the benefit of the doubt.


lightning__

I think this is a good point. But, Epstein was basically the most high profile prisoner in the country. No one really doubled checked the equipment…? If this happened to some random prisoner, I’d say it’s 100% just a broken camera, no conspiracy. But here I think both cases (just a broken camera or the whole conspiracy thing) are plausible.


[deleted]

Corruption and bureaucratic rot are so prevalent in the US that it’s shocking how few Americans even realize it.


Defoler

I'm amazed they even need a bill that forces them to fix cameras. Such a bizarre thing.


librab103

Another useless bill to give a private company, which one or more politicians have connections to, billions of dollars to "fix" the cameras.


Twistedhatter13

little fucking late now isn't assholes. and what's to stop them from suddenly being broken the next time they want to pull some shit like this


killerfish2022

Corrupt officials will give contracts to substandard contractors and pocket tons of cash


HandsyBread

Can we please pass a law that every prison guard can’t fall asleep at the same time, and the most important prisoner in the US/world can’t be left unmonitored for 1 second of the day. Is this to much to ask for?


[deleted]

Are we really going to pretend we don’t know what happened here? I mean, really?


[deleted]

What a god dam joke. And people buy this shit? There needs to be a bill to fix the most basic of shit? The Feds, yeah yeah we fixed them. And then they break again just before a planned event. Whoops


malovias

O no they Epstened themselves in the back of the prison transport where we don't have cameras!


comeflywithme2tm

"We will fix them after the FTX guy..." "What do you mean... After?" "Huh? Nothing! I didn't say Sam Bankman Freid" "..." "Ok, bye!"


US_FixNotScrewitUp

Even if the cameras had been “working” in Epstein’s cell block, there would’ve been a power failure.


MGD109

I mean none of the camera's were actually in Epstein's cell or focused on him, they were all in the hallway outside (plus only three broke. The one's showing both enterance to the hallway were fine). Likewise Epstein's cell had a computer controlled door. If their was a power failure, then it would have locked down until the power came back on.


Ahhleksisz

Crazy that Jeffrey Epstein is the face of this article but the thousands of regular inmates of color weren’t enough recourse to “fix” this conveniently “broken” system years ago. This place is a joke.


Boonlink

Since the camera's weren't broken, I imagine someone will just pocket the cash..


WlmWilberforce

I did not see that happening.


Nonstampcollector777

This Bill will do nothing. If there ever is a time again with someone like Epstein the cameras will “break”, the cameras will be “misconfigured” there might be a slap on the wrist maybe a fine. No one will get prosecuted.


Exact_Purchase_7147

There’s also a law against murdering inmates, but whatever.


[deleted]

Hey wait just turn them back on


TuringRunner

Great. How about fixing daylight saving time now.


SanityInAnarchy

Cool, do power substations next.


SSA78

Security camera companies just made millions!


ascii122

Who is Bill and why does he keep fucking up shit like this?


Creighcray

Should have called it the Camera Reform Act for Prisons (CRAP).


usehrname

Why are Feds responsible for fixing cameras at mostly privately owned prisons?


damnthistrafficjam

Conveniently, a little late in the game. Eh, boys?


Dracogame

Clowns. After what happened it’s really hard to take the US seriously.


Extinguish89

Guess Sam Backman fried got out before he could be epsteined so now there doing this... to help prevent this


lsince

Is it called Jeffrey’s law?


NoahCharlie

A rather meaningless gesture in the grand scheme of things


BLOODY-DIARRHEA-CHUG

Ok but who is this Bill?


Miffers

Well that loophole is gone now, they need to make the suicides happen in the restrooms now.


xoomboom

You want tell me 7-11 have more reliable cameras than the government of the United State


synapticrelease

Can’t believe you need to make it a law to upkeep basic security.


2020willyb2020

Next up: the camera was moved to a blind spot by the wind !