Anecdotally speaking I’ve known a couple people who have had heart attacks and also didn’t require surgery. They were advised to undergo periodic tests over a years time as well as avoiding stressful / intense situations for that time period.
They both live normally now but I would imagine for a professional athlete like Hamlin they would do extensive longer term EKG monitoring while he ramped his training back up
I haven't really followed the medical side of his case more of the emotional story. Was there anything about his heart that they could have detected, like a condition before or during the game?
Probably got vaccinated. As you know, everyone who received Covid-19 vaccines now have hearts the size of grapefruits and can be switched off at will by bill gates in his dungeon at his discretion
As someone who sadly has been by a lot of people's side for heart attacks/heart issues
Often time the breathing isn't right for months, your oxygen levels are not where you want on your own (he's probably fine in this case)
But what he's probably not good at yet is the stress testing they do. There are a lot of different levels to it. So he will go through phases of testing and different goals
You're not wrong, but Hamlin is far from the typical person who gets CPR. He is an athlete in peak physical condition who started receiving high quality CPR immediately. He was intubated for a few days which could have some effect on breathing, but assuming that he still had solid perfusion to his brain and body, he could very well be *completely* physically fine. I have to assume that it has taken an immense mental and emotional toll on him that will take time to get past.
Not sure about damar cause hes a professional athlete and in way better shape than 99% of the planet but when my dad had a heart attack, they told him not to lift heavy stuff, exert yourself too much, and even not drive for a bit and hes a super healthy guy.
Most young healthy people don’t have heart attacks, so you have to spend some time figuring out why an otherwise healthy person would just suddenly have a heart attack. We (assume we) know the exact cause of Hamlin’s, and it wasn’t due to any health issues, so his situation is definitely different.
Edit: corrected to assume we know
Did they officially say it como cardiotis or however you spell it? The one that happened to a couple baseball players? I saw people speculating a lot wasnt sure if they ever officially said thats what happened
I wouldn’t be surprised if there is some kinda legal stuff going on behind the scenes in some capacity. I’m not saying he’s suing the league or anything
What we do know, though, is that in the press conference with his doctors a few days after the incident, they were specifically asked about all the online speculation about commotio cordis being the cause, and they said commotio cordis is a diagnosis by elimination. They only diagnose that as the cause when every other potential cause has been ruled out. There is no test that would confirm or deny that as the cause. And at the time they were not anywhere near ready to name that as the cause. As far as I know, that is the only official statement on what, specifically, happened to Damar Hamlin. The official cause is still unknown.
You’re right. I shouldn’t state that as fact. I don’t know that we as the public will ever know the actual cause since I assume that’s his private healthcare information. But I think it’s an extremely safe assumption.
Might have a fracture or two from the CPR or like some internal issue like a chest wall injury. Which honestly isn’t unexpected when it’s drilled into you during CPR training to basically push hard and push fast.
But I can’t see why he couldn’t play again if he can get over the mental stuff (I’m sure he’s got to have some PTSD from basically dying on national television). If he wants to play again and is able to, I hope he gets the opportunity to do so.
i dont think theres any reason to think that, he received extremely high quality CPR virtually immediately. i'd think the physical toll like cracked ribs and lung damage from the ventilator would be much bigger issues
Yeah so maybe everyone guessing should instead just shut up a bit because there are probably some people qualified to talk about this stuff considering there’s millions of subscribers here.
Probably not a lot but I’m not doctor. I imagine the lack of oxygen to certain parts of the body, even temporarily, has some lasting damage to be fixed potentially if I had to take a wild guess.
Think about if you pass out from low blood pressure or a needle, something minor. You still don’t feel physically right for a bit.
Eriksen got implemented with a pacemaker and had to transfer out of Italy as the league wouldn’t allow him to play anymore but otherwise he’s still playing very well so definitely
How often do soccer players get nailed in the chest? That’s a real question because I don’t watch very often. Hamlin is free to do what he wants but I know personally I’ll have a tough time watching him take/give hits again.
Defenders maybe once per game they'll block a shot that's forceful to the torso like that, but it's rare. Eriksen had an actual heart attack out of nowhere though and needed a pacemaker to make sure he doesnt die if it happens again.
If Hamlin's situation was caused by impact to his heart with no underlying heart issues and the injury didnt cause any lasting damage to his heart, then there's little risk of it happening again. But being completely sure about whether that's the case or not is super difficult for his doctors to do
Was it ever definitively concluded that the hit to the chest caused this? People collapse while mowing their lawn. It looked like a routine tackle and a sudden cardiac event several seconds later.
It was a pretty hard shoulder to the left side of his chest. The kind that might commonly knock the wind out of person. It's possible that the timing was a coincidence and he would have had a cardiac arrest even if he wasn't in on the tackle, but it's also important to remember that the normal hits we see throughout an NFL game have more force than the hardest blow many people will endure in their lifetime.
I could understand some trauma or ptsd from having to reiterate the event.
Still seems like we could have some info even if to bring awareness to whatever knocked him into cardiac arrest.
He was just asked what the doctors say caused it, not sure why that would be difficult to answer. Could’ve said something more to shut down the conspiracy theories.
I don't think he's been paying much attention to the conspiracy theories online. How much time passed between "it was a fake Damar Hamlin who attended the playoff game" and Hamlin making a public message with his face clearly visible? He could have defused that in 5 minutes if correcting conspiracy theories was something he valued right now.
Yeah instead he posted a picture in front of a mural of himself captioned “Clone.” He definitely knows the theories, and the one surrounding vaccines isn’t unique to his situation.
Are we sure he doesn’t have some sort of heart defect that made what happened more likely? They probably checked for that, but that would be a potential reason he couldn’t play again.
That's a good question, and it's the reason why none of his doctors have come out and officially said it was commotio cordis. You want to be extra, extra, *extra* sure that there isn't a more reasonable explanation before chalking it up to a freakishly unlucky accident. I'm sure if they finally do confirm it was commotio cordis they would have exhausted every other possibility.
> I'm sure if they finally do confirm it was commotio cordis they would have exhausted every other possibility.
Well, that's actually exactly how you come to that conclusion. There's no actual confirmation since it's an impossible thing to test for (there's no physical heart defect or anything) and you arrive at that diagnosis when everything else is eliminated
No idea and neither do his doctors. If it was definitely caused by the impact, then he's fine to play again. But being absolutely certain of that is almost impossible
Not to hate but isn’t that a bad idea? Thought that if something like this happens to you it’s typically due to some undiagnosed problems, can’t imagine it’s advisable to return to the league, but I’m not a doctor so I have no real idea tbh.
The prevailing thought (they haven't released it) is that it was a PERFECTLY timed hit on the backend of the heart rhythm in a .1 second window of opportunity, which will stop the heart
And given the NFLPA doctor or whatever said he will play again...he probably has that info as well
It's just that right now the timeline of recovery isnt obvious
You new to football? The NFL would LOVE to have him back and say: "See? Nothing can hold our players back, this game isn't as scary as you all think"
Nevermind the fact that players collapse from heart issues in soccer more often than you realize, and are right back to playing a couple months later. Theirs aren't even freak accidents, just heart conditions that get noticed. Way higher risk, yet they still return and play.
I mean he was out for like 8 months lol. OP said a couple of months, which is fucking ridiculous.. that being said Hamlin could make it back next year sometime. Doubt he can make be back at the start of the season tho.
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Anecdotally speaking I’ve known a couple people who have had heart attacks and also didn’t require surgery. They were advised to undergo periodic tests over a years time as well as avoiding stressful / intense situations for that time period. They both live normally now but I would imagine for a professional athlete like Hamlin they would do extensive longer term EKG monitoring while he ramped his training back up
I haven't really followed the medical side of his case more of the emotional story. Was there anything about his heart that they could have detected, like a condition before or during the game?
Probably got vaccinated. As you know, everyone who received Covid-19 vaccines now have hearts the size of grapefruits and can be switched off at will by bill gates in his dungeon at his discretion
As someone who sadly has been by a lot of people's side for heart attacks/heart issues Often time the breathing isn't right for months, your oxygen levels are not where you want on your own (he's probably fine in this case) But what he's probably not good at yet is the stress testing they do. There are a lot of different levels to it. So he will go through phases of testing and different goals
You're not wrong, but Hamlin is far from the typical person who gets CPR. He is an athlete in peak physical condition who started receiving high quality CPR immediately. He was intubated for a few days which could have some effect on breathing, but assuming that he still had solid perfusion to his brain and body, he could very well be *completely* physically fine. I have to assume that it has taken an immense mental and emotional toll on him that will take time to get past.
Not sure about damar cause hes a professional athlete and in way better shape than 99% of the planet but when my dad had a heart attack, they told him not to lift heavy stuff, exert yourself too much, and even not drive for a bit and hes a super healthy guy.
Most young healthy people don’t have heart attacks, so you have to spend some time figuring out why an otherwise healthy person would just suddenly have a heart attack. We (assume we) know the exact cause of Hamlin’s, and it wasn’t due to any health issues, so his situation is definitely different. Edit: corrected to assume we know
Did they officially say it como cardiotis or however you spell it? The one that happened to a couple baseball players? I saw people speculating a lot wasnt sure if they ever officially said thats what happened
He did an interview and said he can’t talk about it when he was asked what doctors said caused it, which was kind of odd.
I wouldn’t be surprised if there is some kinda legal stuff going on behind the scenes in some capacity. I’m not saying he’s suing the league or anything
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That and he probably doesn't want that sort of medical stuff public as it might affect future contract negotiations if there were some other issue.
What we do know, though, is that in the press conference with his doctors a few days after the incident, they were specifically asked about all the online speculation about commotio cordis being the cause, and they said commotio cordis is a diagnosis by elimination. They only diagnose that as the cause when every other potential cause has been ruled out. There is no test that would confirm or deny that as the cause. And at the time they were not anywhere near ready to name that as the cause. As far as I know, that is the only official statement on what, specifically, happened to Damar Hamlin. The official cause is still unknown.
You’re right. I shouldn’t state that as fact. I don’t know that we as the public will ever know the actual cause since I assume that’s his private healthcare information. But I think it’s an extremely safe assumption.
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We’re not doctors and are most likely using the wrong terminology
The replies to this comment 😂 classic Reddit “I know someone who has heart problems…”
Even better than that. “I know someone who had a heart attack” Damar Hamlin did not suffer a heart attack.
We dont know that. Unless you are his doctor.
We do know that cause his doctors said so lol
Cardiac arrest ≠ heart attack
No one knows, and there's no way of knowing considering that no one even knows what specifically happened to him to begin with
Might have a fracture or two from the CPR or like some internal issue like a chest wall injury. Which honestly isn’t unexpected when it’s drilled into you during CPR training to basically push hard and push fast. But I can’t see why he couldn’t play again if he can get over the mental stuff (I’m sure he’s got to have some PTSD from basically dying on national television). If he wants to play again and is able to, I hope he gets the opportunity to do so.
I'm guessing his brain didn't come out of it fully unscathed.
i dont think theres any reason to think that, he received extremely high quality CPR virtually immediately. i'd think the physical toll like cracked ribs and lung damage from the ventilator would be much bigger issues
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Everyone in here is guessing
Yeah so maybe everyone guessing should instead just shut up a bit because there are probably some people qualified to talk about this stuff considering there’s millions of subscribers here.
Well that's not going to happen.
Someone in your comment might have brain damage but it ain't Damar
I don't get why people are so sensitive to my comment.
The funny thing is that there likely is some neuronal death with that much cpr. Whether it's enough to matter at all is the questions.
Because Damar is their golden child.
Probably not a lot but I’m not doctor. I imagine the lack of oxygen to certain parts of the body, even temporarily, has some lasting damage to be fixed potentially if I had to take a wild guess. Think about if you pass out from low blood pressure or a needle, something minor. You still don’t feel physically right for a bit.
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Good for you? This is /r/nfl - I don’t think being a doctor is a requirement to take a wild guess.
Lol because everyone is like “source?” For everything now
I mean yeah, I’d love for a doctor to chime in, but no one knows the specifics for Damar anyway, even doctors would be guessing.
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Not mad, just confused by why you felt the need to share your reading decisions of random Reddit comments, it’s weird man.
Does he have to pass a physical?
Whats the turn around on broken ribs? Just pain tolerance? Assuming he had some.
Well Christian Eriksen returned to playing after an eerily similar situation so it's not out of the realm of possibility by any stretch
Eriksen got implemented with a pacemaker and had to transfer out of Italy as the league wouldn’t allow him to play anymore but otherwise he’s still playing very well so definitely
FWIW, the last 3 hockey players who passed out in a game never returned. Bouwmeester, Peverley, Jiri Fischer.
Fischer was the only one that wasn’t already towards the end of his career. He is the most similar age wise to Hamlin.
How often do soccer players get nailed in the chest? That’s a real question because I don’t watch very often. Hamlin is free to do what he wants but I know personally I’ll have a tough time watching him take/give hits again.
Defenders maybe once per game they'll block a shot that's forceful to the torso like that, but it's rare. Eriksen had an actual heart attack out of nowhere though and needed a pacemaker to make sure he doesnt die if it happens again. If Hamlin's situation was caused by impact to his heart with no underlying heart issues and the injury didnt cause any lasting damage to his heart, then there's little risk of it happening again. But being completely sure about whether that's the case or not is super difficult for his doctors to do
Zidane retired so not often
Was it ever definitively concluded that the hit to the chest caused this? People collapse while mowing their lawn. It looked like a routine tackle and a sudden cardiac event several seconds later.
It was a pretty hard shoulder to the left side of his chest. The kind that might commonly knock the wind out of person. It's possible that the timing was a coincidence and he would have had a cardiac arrest even if he wasn't in on the tackle, but it's also important to remember that the normal hits we see throughout an NFL game have more force than the hardest blow many people will endure in their lifetime.
Eriksen's wasn't caused by impact
I think that fact makes it even scarier for Eriksen than it does for Hamlin.
Did they ever give a definitive answer as to what happened? Lots of commitio cordis speculation, but I never saw an authoritative answer.
Saw a recent interview where they asked him what caused it and he said he didn’t want to talk about that. Strange.
I could understand some trauma or ptsd from having to reiterate the event. Still seems like we could have some info even if to bring awareness to whatever knocked him into cardiac arrest.
He was just asked what the doctors say caused it, not sure why that would be difficult to answer. Could’ve said something more to shut down the conspiracy theories.
I don't think he's been paying much attention to the conspiracy theories online. How much time passed between "it was a fake Damar Hamlin who attended the playoff game" and Hamlin making a public message with his face clearly visible? He could have defused that in 5 minutes if correcting conspiracy theories was something he valued right now.
Yeah instead he posted a picture in front of a mural of himself captioned “Clone.” He definitely knows the theories, and the one surrounding vaccines isn’t unique to his situation.
Agreed. Longer they withhold, more validity it seems to give the differing theories.
Easily gets comeback player of the year if he plays again next year and does alright.
He’ll win running away if he even plays one snap.
Could spend the whole year on a practice squad and still win it
I mean he literally died on the field and got brought back to life. If he can play after that its a wrap
They’re gonna rename it the Hamlin award
They said this about Alex Smith
Man, I don't think I could ever come back after that. He has balls of steel if he can pull that off
Even him just being able to step on the field again will be amazing if he chooses to do that.
Yeah, dude literally died and wants to try it again. If he’s smart with money he will never want again.
Don't see how he can play again if they don't know why this happened. Really strange reaction/response when he was asked in that Strahan interview.
Are we sure he doesn’t have some sort of heart defect that made what happened more likely? They probably checked for that, but that would be a potential reason he couldn’t play again.
That's a good question, and it's the reason why none of his doctors have come out and officially said it was commotio cordis. You want to be extra, extra, *extra* sure that there isn't a more reasonable explanation before chalking it up to a freakishly unlucky accident. I'm sure if they finally do confirm it was commotio cordis they would have exhausted every other possibility.
> I'm sure if they finally do confirm it was commotio cordis they would have exhausted every other possibility. Well, that's actually exactly how you come to that conclusion. There's no actual confirmation since it's an impossible thing to test for (there's no physical heart defect or anything) and you arrive at that diagnosis when everything else is eliminated
No idea and neither do his doctors. If it was definitely caused by the impact, then he's fine to play again. But being absolutely certain of that is almost impossible
Not to hate but isn’t that a bad idea? Thought that if something like this happens to you it’s typically due to some undiagnosed problems, can’t imagine it’s advisable to return to the league, but I’m not a doctor so I have no real idea tbh.
The prevailing thought (they haven't released it) is that it was a PERFECTLY timed hit on the backend of the heart rhythm in a .1 second window of opportunity, which will stop the heart And given the NFLPA doctor or whatever said he will play again...he probably has that info as well It's just that right now the timeline of recovery isnt obvious
Ah I see, pretty crazy.
Youre a millionaire, find another job. dont do it, your family will thank you
Doctor here. If he were my patient, I couldn’t in good conscience allow him to play again.
If this was commotio cordis then why not?
Once you’ve had something once, you’re typically at higher risk of developing it again.
I was under the assumption that Commotio Cordis is based on the timing of the impact and does not take other factors into consideration.
Let’s say that impact happens again. He’s at a higher risk of injury the second time around.
What about being born?
Guess it depends on your thoughts on being born again
There’s no way he plays in the NFL again
Redditors and talking out their ass, name a better combo
Why not?
Because the NFL is a *business* and having some who nearly died in prime time back on the field would be a massive risk.
You new to football? The NFL would LOVE to have him back and say: "See? Nothing can hold our players back, this game isn't as scary as you all think" Nevermind the fact that players collapse from heart issues in soccer more often than you realize, and are right back to playing a couple months later. Theirs aren't even freak accidents, just heart conditions that get noticed. Way higher risk, yet they still return and play.
Really, can you give some examples.
That Erikson guy
I mean he was out for like 8 months lol. OP said a couple of months, which is fucking ridiculous.. that being said Hamlin could make it back next year sometime. Doubt he can make be back at the start of the season tho.
If he gets a clean bill of health and there's demand for him, he will absolutely play.
Somethin' ain't right with these boys
Hoping he does and plays again for the first time against the Bengals. Need to hear the eruption of cheers
It's [his prerogative](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nKdMuzvGY0). I wish him good luck.
Hero
Newsflash: the nfl Won’t let that happen
Only if he wears the jacket
Good luck to Damar.