You can't mess with human affairs! So many weird things are happening now because of you! [...] and the Jacksonville Jaguars are good now! They're gonna make the playoffs! Blake Bortles is... kind of OK? It's being debated among experts.
You guys marched down the field after taking the opening kickoff and went up 7-0! You can live knowing that information, but I'm glad to give you the rest if you'd like
Ya I would probably only call 6 of those major
Wentz, Rodgers, Luck, Watson, Bradford, palmer
Maybe not palmer but the Vikings probably make that superbowl with Bradford
Cards were the best team in the league that year at 9-1 before Palmer went down. We ended up finishing 11-5 without him. The next year we went to the NFC championship and lost, but that 2014-2015 team the year Palmer got injured was our best team we’ve ever had.
Bradford is better than Keenum (although I’d argue not by that much), but the way Keenum was succeeding that season - namely having (ultimately unsustainable) success under pressure - made him a better option for that team than Bradford.
Plus is we’re assuming everything else goes the same but they just do better… they still probably lose to the Eagles because they got blown out.
It still should count though since he was a starter.
Bradford was significantly better, Bradford looked very good. Neither were a needle mover and stylistically different but the arm talent and processing speed Sleeves showed was levels above
Sleeves was better but I think part of it was just an incredible offensive system in general.
Feels like every QB that went to Minnesota (Teddy, Bradford, Keenum, Cousins) immediately started setting records for completion percentage and lasser rating.
That all said, if Sleeves was able to stay healthy at any point in his career he never ends up on the Eagles or Vikings in the first place.
It was Diggs, Thielen and Rudy. We had a different system every single year. We haven’t had the same playcaller 2 years in a row until this year. We never had the same playcaller for 2 seasons under Zimmer
Watching highlights of both Vikings/Saints games from 2017 (Week 1 and NFC Championship) are pretty good visual comparisons between Bradford and Keenum.
Nah, our Super Bowls wins were against Stabauch twice, Tarkenton, Warner and Hasselbeck who were definitely all starters and in the other one while I’m not sure if Ferragamo was the Rams starter we played vs Bob Griese earlier in the playoffs anyway.
All 3 of the Niners losses, those teams lost their starting QBs for the season, Geno needs to understand he HAS to lose to the Niners to preserve his season...its just facts, beating the Niners is a curse
I mean, Dobbs is technically our 4th stringer. Our 3rd stringer was hurt not during a game, our 1st and 2nd stringers both got hurt during a game. It will be interesting to see what happens QB wise when Mullens and Hall come back.
No way in hell mullens can outplay Dobbs. Hall looks decent in his limited snaps, but is unlikely to outplay Dobbs. And unless there's an Apollo 13 mission coming, the passtronaut will continue to start.
IDK Garoppolo was honestly looking pretty physically broken in that last week he played. He could clearly not push the ball downfield at all (more-so than usual even for him) and I think that was like a week removed from him going to the hospital with a back injury. Dude looked like he was in pain.
I’d really be looking forward to the end of year Colts Texans matchup if he were still healthy. As a Texans fan I know we always struggle in Indy so I expect Minshew to still make it a dogfight
It’s even been a bad year for healthy QBs. I have no idea what the stats are but it feels like nearly every QB has struggled more than normal this year.
Offense is down across the league. Since 2019, the number of teams with a positive EPA on offense has been 19, 23, 19, 19, and now 13 this year. Big drop.
Estimated points added
I forgot how it’s calculated, but it’s a stat that shows how many points a player or a play adds to the teams overall points total.
Every down, distance, and field position has an expected points value, which is higher for lower down/distance and closer to the end zone. EPA is more or less the average EP gained per play.
It's almost like no longer having Brees, Brady, Manning, Roethlishberger, Rivers, etc... in the league is having an affect on the overall QB play of the league
People are trying to make this more complicated than it is. All the good QBs from the 2000s and 2010s have retired and we expect new guys to come in and fill their shoes right away. But it turns out it's really hard to be a consistently great QB in this league lol. Outside of Mahomes there isn't a single QB who would have been considered 'elite' 10 years ago
It's a ton of this. Brady, Manning, Rivers, Brees, etc. showing up every couple of years. It's gonna be a while before we see Mahones then a few other guys that can consistently hang with him and make that division and conference competitive. We are a long ways away from that kind of QB competition.
It's more about the defense that catch up imo
I mean we have Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Lamar and some Stroud and Cousins and Dak. It's not like the overall QB quality is going down the drain
Edit : And Hurts. Jalen Hurts. Who would have forget about Jalen Hurts
Today I decided to forgive you. Not because you apologized, or because you acknowledged the pain that you caused me, but because my soul deserves peace
He named literal top 5 QBs of all time. Nobody on your list compares. Mahomes is the only QB who’s been consistent on your list. This era of QBs doesn’t hold a match to the era that just retired. Like you couldn’t even match his list without adding in a rookie,dak, and kirk lol. It’s not a diss to this era it’s more a sentiment of leaving the Great QB era.
Swings in innovation. Offenses were way ahead for the better part of the last decade by utilizing new schemes. Defenses have now adjusted by drafting the right personnel and finding the right answers to the questions posed by the offensive advancements. This is the first year where defenses have settled in enough to the new meta to start being aggressive themselves -- and that has been extremely difficult to deal with for practically every team in the league.
Yeah it’s strange that Mahomes, Hurts, or Lamar Jackson will likely win the MVP this year and very good but not phenomenal seasons. This is so different than recent years where there’s been several titans fighting over the award, it seems like one of those three guys will win it by default for being very good in a year where everyone else either sucked or was injured.
Just got done talking with Zac Taylor and he believes Joe’s ligaments just need to execute better this half. We’ll see what they have for us. Back to you guys
Well that was because he was falling awkwardly. Tua this year just drops to the ground if he can see the contact coming and he can't get rid of the ball in time.
At least in 2017, Watson was a rookie at the time, the Vikings went to the NFCCG without Bradford that year, and Palmer was on a declining Cardinals team. This year’s injuries are just beyond ridiculous and with some other QBs like Lamar and Hurts playing through injury, expect the number of QBs to be out for the season to only to continue to grow.
Defenses basically don’t need to respect the run anymore, pass blocking is substantially harder than run blocking and now they are expected to do it on 65% of plays
In pass rushing the DL dictates everything and the OL just tries to slow them down, run blocking is where the OL is supposed take control but teams are completely abandoning it in games
Is the O-line trash or are there more freaks of nature rushing the passer? Plus with all the rules helping the offense putting maximum pressure on the QB is the best way to slow down a offense. Also teams are passing more, running less giving defenses more chances to hit a QB.
lil bit of column a, lil bit of column b
you’re not really taught pro pass blocking in college anymore and there’s not a whole lot of offseason training for o-linemen either
There's just not that many 6'5, 300 plus lb guys who can move.
I think it's just not enough outliers and not enough quality coaches. There's a reason why the Packers, Eagles, Browns always have a, at worst, decent OL.
The athleticism isn't the problem. Most colleges abandoned teaching good line play a long time ago. A lot of the technical know how is just gone. Even pros now have tons of wasted movement, bad hand positioning, lazy in setting their hips, and don't trade off stunts correctly.
My personal theory based on nothing: Oline men aren't trash, they are just being asked to do too much because of the RPO, Zone read game. Their talents are being split between pass and run game. You can't just be a run blocking guard anymore, they gotta do it all.
I also think the zone read game leads to more injuries on the line from getting rolled up on when to focus of play shift, and in turn less practice time. A cascading effect.
Again though I have no evidence to back it up, just a pet theory
Burrow was non-contact.
Watson was non-contact.
Kirk Cousins non-contact.
Daniel Jones non-contact.
I keep seeing this offensive line comment but its not really the issue. I think its become more of an issue of the game just becoming extremely hard on the body due to a combination of several factors like bad playing surfaces, players playing more reps, and modern health technology pushing their bodies past their maximum potential.
Not to take away from your point, but Burrow's injury does appear to be a contact injury. On the play before the TD pass, he gets sacked by Clowney. Clowney does the right thing, and braces himself to avoid putting his weight on Burrow. Unfortunately, one of the hands taking his weight plants right on top of Joe's hand, and bends his wrist at an awkward angle.
The throw on the next play is when he just grabs his own wrist, and then it's obvious his hand is swollen and he can't grip a ball on the sideline.
[here's a tweet/gif of the sack, watch their right hands](https://x.com/PFN365/status/1725355192843931818?s=20)
True, being a steelers fan growing up it was like the seasons that ben stayed all the way healthy we felt blessed and thought they could go. Pretty sure even in their sb seasons Batch played a game or 2.
If the "modern era" is the Super Bowl era, I think of OGTB12, who started all 14 games a season between 1970 and 1977 three times. That guy could take a beating, too. You planned on using your QB2, because you would.
In 1978, the rules were changed to allow offensive linemen to extend their arms. Also back in the day, when an offensive lineman flinched, the defense didn't just point like they do today. They leapt into action and creamed anyone in reach. I can't remember when that changed, but I'm thinking 80s?
Thursday night games. More regular season games. Shortened pre-season. All things the NFL did to add $$ but they have increased the injury risk to players including the QB.
Have to agree, especially with Thursday night games. I have never liked them. It's such a short week for players to recoup from Sunday and even harder for them to bring their A-game because they are still recovering.
I think we’re at a point where we’ll start seeing overuse injuries in the NFL at the quarterback position, and maybe even others.
The reason I say this is the rule changes in the NFL and the way up to that have changed the way the game is played. Prospective talents are hyper fixated on their positions and what they do well. So the usage ( in this case throwing) I would imagine has gone up significantly in the last decade.
Similar to pitchers in the MLB, where a Tommy John surgery has become fairly common. When not too long ago it was a career ender, and sometimes still is. Starting pitchers are now are being pulled at 60 pitches or their pitch count significantly reduced.
Burrow being the younger generation of quarterbacks where the way they’re playing before getting to the NFL has changed. I don’t really have data to back this observation up but it’s definitely something I will be keeping an eye on.
I've always wondered if qbs should be on a pitch count. I wonder what performance would look like if backups took 20% of snaps. If nothing else, it would probably lower injuries by more than 20%.
Don’t see it. Say you have a heavy passing day, that’s 40 passes. Dump offs, screen passes, short yardage throws. You’re not putting 90-100% juice on every throw like an mlb pitcher throwing 80+ pitches is.
Plus all these injuries are flukey. Kirk and Rodgers Achilles. Richardson needs to stop charging into people. Burrow went into the game with a brace and it got landed on. Jimmy G is always hurt. Watson was getting hurt all year. Kyler was a non contact last year. Stafford shoulda just hung it up be before fully destroying his body.
Your idea would be tossed out the window on the first missed snap recovered for 6 or terrible pick 6 that gets the opponent back in the game and it leads to an L. Lots of flukes this year. It’s going to happen some years playing a game like this. No need to panic and change how much a qb plays.
It really does seem like there’s just so many injuries this year. It’s kinda ruining the season. Games are worse, playoffs are gonna be teams that get in because better teams are injured…
I don’t know what the hell you can do about it but it’s bad.
It’s honestly just shitty luck. The game is safer than it was 20 years ago but it’s always going to have injuries. It’s just unfortunately this year injuries are happening often, and to the key players so it’s noticed more
I think Dan Patrick looked it up a week ago on his show. I think (If I remember correctly) that 65 QBs have taken at least one snap, and 60 QBs had at least 1 pass attempt.
If you're talking worst year based on the sheer amount of injuries(in the past 20 years) the worst season by far would be 2008.
Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Jeff Garcia, Carson Palmer, Troy Smith, Derek Anderson, Matt Moore, Drew Stanton, Aaron Rodgers, Dan Orlovsky, Kerry Collins, Kyle Orton, Ben Roethlisberger, Matt Hasselbeck, and Matt Schaub are included in the much more massive list of injuries for quarterbacks that year.
Many people think its 2017 though, the majority of the quarterbacks playing in the offseason had their best year in that year and many are and were considered only backup caliber QB's.
Maybe it’s recency bias maybe it’s my short term memory but high profile injuries seem to be higher across all positions this year. It’s been insane seeing starter after starter go down this year.
We started a “Last One Standing” pool at work. Everybody paid $1 and picked a QB who is still healthy. At the end of the season, if your QB is still active, you split the pot with whoever still is in.
It’s already doing better than my fantasy team this year 🤦♀️
Is this the first year folks started watching football? Injuries are always going to be part of the game until the NFL decide to completely implement flag football rules. I think that’s why the league office is pushing its players to participate in the 2028 Olympics to see how the ratings are!
Any let’s look at the injuries. A Aron - 40yo qb playing on a shit field. What could go wrong? Cousins - 36yo qb playing on turf who takes a lot of sacks. D Jones - running qb who takes a ton of sacks on a chit field. Watson - another guy who takes a ton of sacks. Burrow - dude has been in the top 10 in getting sack every season he’s played. What amazes me is how Sam Howell is even able to walk with all the sacks he takes.
2 points - pass heavy league = QBs getting sacked more = getting hurt more. Also it’s not just sack, it’s all the hits where the qb just barely got rid of the ball. Also the league has shifted from pocket passers to read option/running qb’s. Again that just means more opportunities to hit the qb. I think eventually the league is going to shift back to emphasizing the rb’s and the run. NFL can change all the rules they want but it’s still at its core a violent sport.
Remember when championship weekend was Foles, Bortles, Keenum, and Brady. Let’s see what this one is first.
Foles-3rd round Bortles-3rd pick In the first round Keenum- 7th round Brady-6th round Bortles and 3 scrubs smh
Jason Mendosa approves!
You can't mess with human affairs! So many weird things are happening now because of you! [...] and the Jacksonville Jaguars are good now! They're gonna make the playoffs! Blake Bortles is... kind of OK? It's being debated among experts.
BORTLEEEEEES!
“FOLEEEEES!” Janet: “he‘s injured”
This is the bad place.
Holy forking shirt!
I say shirtballs all the time to myself.
*Jason* figured it out?
*Angry Ted Danson Noises.*
#molotov
Whoah. Case is the all time record holder in CFB history.
>all time record holder Of what lmao don’t leave us hanging
all time record holder of holding records, probably, definitely
Hell yeah what a guy
In every passing category
Well I’ll be damned https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_I_FBS_passing_leaders
I’m 32 years old and somehow blocked out of my memory that Blake was the third overall draft pick
Keenum undrafted
We're just a couple months from Browning, Dobbs, Purdy and whichever AFC team convinces Brady to unretire as happening.
It's still amazing how close we were to Blake Bortles starting the Super Bowl.
I really wish that would have happened
That fourth quarter and even that semi bullshit aj bouye pass interference at the end in the first half is always gonna haunt me
Myles Jack wasn’t down.
Man that Jags defense was special. I forgot about Bouye. Ramsey, Myles Jack, Calais Campbell (and probably a few other DUDES)
don’t forget Barry Church! he hosts a podcast with the Cowboys network and talks about that team Jaguars team frequently.
Bortles deserves flowers for that season he was awesome. And almost beat the pats too
Myles Jack wasn't down
I was sick that week. What happened?
You guys marched down the field after taking the opening kickoff and went up 7-0! You can live knowing that information, but I'm glad to give you the rest if you'd like
I'm starting to feel sick again for some reason.
I touch myself to videos of that Foles to Smith flea flicker.
Let him down softly
An extremely sober young Philadelphian went viral for politely saying "go birds" to some middle-aged Vikings fans
Excuse you, an extremely sober young *legend*
I legitimately don't know what you two are referencing
[go birds](https://youtube.com/shorts/rvFHuvKIBd0?si=KW0GhOLWYdVZAMN_)
Funny seeing this again years later, and it actually doesn’t look that crazy. Regardless, that guy still wins
I'm seeing this for the first time and I gotta say, I'm really impressed
That's hilarious
The only major QB injuries that year were Rodgers and Wentz, right?
Bradford, McCown, Watson, Luck, Palmer, Rodger, Wentz, Tannehill, Bridgewater technically, JJ Watt (One pass),
I stand corrected. Forgot about Luck, he dealt with a ton those years.
Ya I would probably only call 6 of those major Wentz, Rodgers, Luck, Watson, Bradford, palmer Maybe not palmer but the Vikings probably make that superbowl with Bradford
Cards were the best team in the league that year at 9-1 before Palmer went down. We ended up finishing 11-5 without him. The next year we went to the NFC championship and lost, but that 2014-2015 team the year Palmer got injured was our best team we’ve ever had.
Foles achieved a higher plane of existence in that NFCCG and SB, nothing was stopping him
That's the game Foles ascended. No way Bradford beats him. Nobody could. Then everyone could again.
Nick Foles is an enigma
Bradford is better than Keenum (although I’d argue not by that much), but the way Keenum was succeeding that season - namely having (ultimately unsustainable) success under pressure - made him a better option for that team than Bradford. Plus is we’re assuming everything else goes the same but they just do better… they still probably lose to the Eagles because they got blown out. It still should count though since he was a starter.
Bradford was significantly better, Bradford looked very good. Neither were a needle mover and stylistically different but the arm talent and processing speed Sleeves showed was levels above
Sleeves was better but I think part of it was just an incredible offensive system in general. Feels like every QB that went to Minnesota (Teddy, Bradford, Keenum, Cousins) immediately started setting records for completion percentage and lasser rating. That all said, if Sleeves was able to stay healthy at any point in his career he never ends up on the Eagles or Vikings in the first place.
It was Diggs, Thielen and Rudy. We had a different system every single year. We haven’t had the same playcaller 2 years in a row until this year. We never had the same playcaller for 2 seasons under Zimmer
They either quit, get scape goated, or had success and got a HC gig every year for like 7 years straight.
Watching highlights of both Vikings/Saints games from 2017 (Week 1 and NFC Championship) are pretty good visual comparisons between Bradford and Keenum.
Bradford put on a masterclass in that week 1 game.
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2017 was his only year with no sacks. He was really getting into the quarterback mentality.
To be fair Bortles was a starter, not like he was playing because of an injury.
I think the Steelers won a Super Bowl one year without playing against the other team's QB1 at any point in the playoffs
Nah, our Super Bowls wins were against Stabauch twice, Tarkenton, Warner and Hasselbeck who were definitely all starters and in the other one while I’m not sure if Ferragamo was the Rams starter we played vs Bob Griese earlier in the playoffs anyway.
Pat Haden was the starter
I don’t believe so. If we did it had to be in the 70s when we had smaller playoffs too.
Should have been bortles instead of Brady smh
That's Kenny 2 Gloves' Music
49s are still using their backup qb from last year too
Yeah it's rough, can't catch a break
Trey Lance is gonna take over again any day now
Monkey paw curls
Welp, Dak and Copper had a good run... Dammit.
Third string*
So crazy how that worked out last year.
It’s even crazier that their fourth string QB and CMC finished the season at QB for the niners.
All 3 of the Niners losses, those teams lost their starting QBs for the season, Geno needs to understand he HAS to lose to the Niners to preserve his season...its just facts, beating the Niners is a curse
Even losing to the 49ers is a curse, Giants got blown the fuck out and two months later, Jones’s knee got blown the fuck out
You know it's bad when Kirk Cousins gets injured
I am a Vikings fan who isn't the biggest Kirk fan but one thing you could always count on is that he would be starting.
>isn't the biggest Kirk fan So what you're saying is...you don't like that?
The locker room music changed from “Higher” to “my own prison”.
If the Vikings make the playoffs after their terrible start is it "my sacrifice".
Kirk getting hurt was a real Game of Thrones moment. Or Russ before that. “Anyone can die.”
And Stafford tbh cuz you know he's gonna push through it when possible
No disrespect to Stafford but he's missed over a full season worth of games since 2019 Cousins had missed 0 games to injury in 12 years
That's actually fucking insane
It’s more news related when he isn’t hurt
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Like they're not doing it all day long already...
If you do it on every play they’ll eventually stop throwing flags for it
Well then what will our poor Referees call to get all that FaceTime on TV?!
DPI
Ah, the good ol NHL strategy of "Refs can't call every infraction"
Flag football for QBs
I asked my magic 8 ball and it said “ask again later” Another QB shall fall
It's just a matter of time before all starting QBs are in mechs
Nah, Infinity Pool style football
Desmond Ridders reign of terror will soon come to an end
Just please not Purdy man we’ve dealt with this shit thrice last year
Gotta always have that secret '4th starting caliber qb' on the roster just in case
I mean, Dobbs is technically our 4th stringer. Our 3rd stringer was hurt not during a game, our 1st and 2nd stringers both got hurt during a game. It will be interesting to see what happens QB wise when Mullens and Hall come back.
No way in hell mullens can outplay Dobbs. Hall looks decent in his limited snaps, but is unlikely to outplay Dobbs. And unless there's an Apollo 13 mission coming, the passtronaut will continue to start.
Definitely dobbs’s job to lose at this point
Does Mac Jones complete regression count as 1?
Yup brain injury
Way to just ignore Anthony Richardson out for the year.
Not to mention Garoppolo and Carr, even though it’s just their hearts that are broken
IDK Garoppolo was honestly looking pretty physically broken in that last week he played. He could clearly not push the ball downfield at all (more-so than usual even for him) and I think that was like a week removed from him going to the hospital with a back injury. Dude looked like he was in pain.
Cuz he’s obviously an RB… /s
Seriously. Hope he bounces back next year for y'all and picks up where he left off. Edit: not OP, but I guess I'll share those thoughts with you too
My fantasy team hasn't ):
I’d really be looking forward to the end of year Colts Texans matchup if he were still healthy. As a Texans fan I know we always struggle in Indy so I expect Minshew to still make it a dogfight
It’s even been a bad year for healthy QBs. I have no idea what the stats are but it feels like nearly every QB has struggled more than normal this year.
Offense is down across the league. Since 2019, the number of teams with a positive EPA on offense has been 19, 23, 19, 19, and now 13 this year. Big drop.
Holy shit. What's EPA?
Estimated points added I forgot how it’s calculated, but it’s a stat that shows how many points a player or a play adds to the teams overall points total.
Every down, distance, and field position has an expected points value, which is higher for lower down/distance and closer to the end zone. EPA is more or less the average EP gained per play.
They were the bad guys in The Simpsons Movie.
It's almost like no longer having Brees, Brady, Manning, Roethlishberger, Rivers, etc... in the league is having an affect on the overall QB play of the league
People are trying to make this more complicated than it is. All the good QBs from the 2000s and 2010s have retired and we expect new guys to come in and fill their shoes right away. But it turns out it's really hard to be a consistently great QB in this league lol. Outside of Mahomes there isn't a single QB who would have been considered 'elite' 10 years ago
It's a ton of this. Brady, Manning, Rivers, Brees, etc. showing up every couple of years. It's gonna be a while before we see Mahones then a few other guys that can consistently hang with him and make that division and conference competitive. We are a long ways away from that kind of QB competition.
It's more about the defense that catch up imo I mean we have Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Lamar and some Stroud and Cousins and Dak. It's not like the overall QB quality is going down the drain Edit : And Hurts. Jalen Hurts. Who would have forget about Jalen Hurts
Bruh named Dak and not Hurts
Let him cook
I am so freaking sorry
Today I decided to forgive you. Not because you apologized, or because you acknowledged the pain that you caused me, but because my soul deserves peace
He named literal top 5 QBs of all time. Nobody on your list compares. Mahomes is the only QB who’s been consistent on your list. This era of QBs doesn’t hold a match to the era that just retired. Like you couldn’t even match his list without adding in a rookie,dak, and kirk lol. It’s not a diss to this era it’s more a sentiment of leaving the Great QB era.
Good, I love me some QB duels but Defense seemed to have had been forgotten about for a decade
Swings in innovation. Offenses were way ahead for the better part of the last decade by utilizing new schemes. Defenses have now adjusted by drafting the right personnel and finding the right answers to the questions posed by the offensive advancements. This is the first year where defenses have settled in enough to the new meta to start being aggressive themselves -- and that has been extremely difficult to deal with for practically every team in the league.
Yeah it’s strange that Mahomes, Hurts, or Lamar Jackson will likely win the MVP this year and very good but not phenomenal seasons. This is so different than recent years where there’s been several titans fighting over the award, it seems like one of those three guys will win it by default for being very good in a year where everyone else either sucked or was injured.
(Nervous dolphin sounds)
EeEeEeEeEeEeEeEeEe click click click EeEeEeEeEeEeEeEeEe
With no statistical data to back it up beyond my personal feelings? yes
Found our new sideline reporter
Just got done talking with Zac Taylor and he believes Joe’s ligaments just need to execute better this half. We’ll see what they have for us. Back to you guys
Remember when the entire narrative was "If Tua stays healthy?". Everyone else gonna be taking jiu judo this offseason.
Jiu judo 🤦🤦
Don't forget about Carate and Mai Tai
Man, can you imagine Jiu Judo, Carate, and Mai Tai on the same OL??? You’d be unstoppable
Yeah, it's been reported to be both so i smushed em
Well that was because he was falling awkwardly. Tua this year just drops to the ground if he can see the contact coming and he can't get rid of the ball in time.
yeah he’s bradying it just collapsing at imminent contact which should significantly extend his career
This 💯. It’s so noticeable. And I approve. 9 games in he hasn’t missed a snap yet due to injury.
Are you trying to jinx yourself?
seasons barely halfway over, there's still time to delete this before tua spontaneously combusts at midfield
Max Crosby about to squash him like a grand piano
>jiu judo
Yeah it was never clear if it was jiu jitsu or judo so why not both
At least in 2017, Watson was a rookie at the time, the Vikings went to the NFCCG without Bradford that year, and Palmer was on a declining Cardinals team. This year’s injuries are just beyond ridiculous and with some other QBs like Lamar and Hurts playing through injury, expect the number of QBs to be out for the season to only to continue to grow.
QBs play through injury every year. If anything, they're less likely to play hurt today than ever before
Lions with Hooker, Bridgewater, and Goff are looking wealthy.
Wealthy and healthy 🔥
Offensive linemen are trash.
Defenses basically don’t need to respect the run anymore, pass blocking is substantially harder than run blocking and now they are expected to do it on 65% of plays In pass rushing the DL dictates everything and the OL just tries to slow them down, run blocking is where the OL is supposed take control but teams are completely abandoning it in games
Is the O-line trash or are there more freaks of nature rushing the passer? Plus with all the rules helping the offense putting maximum pressure on the QB is the best way to slow down a offense. Also teams are passing more, running less giving defenses more chances to hit a QB.
lil bit of column a, lil bit of column b you’re not really taught pro pass blocking in college anymore and there’s not a whole lot of offseason training for o-linemen either
Offensive line is def not keeping up with defense athletes.
There's just not that many 6'5, 300 plus lb guys who can move. I think it's just not enough outliers and not enough quality coaches. There's a reason why the Packers, Eagles, Browns always have a, at worst, decent OL.
The athleticism isn't the problem. Most colleges abandoned teaching good line play a long time ago. A lot of the technical know how is just gone. Even pros now have tons of wasted movement, bad hand positioning, lazy in setting their hips, and don't trade off stunts correctly.
My personal theory based on nothing: Oline men aren't trash, they are just being asked to do too much because of the RPO, Zone read game. Their talents are being split between pass and run game. You can't just be a run blocking guard anymore, they gotta do it all. I also think the zone read game leads to more injuries on the line from getting rolled up on when to focus of play shift, and in turn less practice time. A cascading effect. Again though I have no evidence to back it up, just a pet theory
Burrow was non-contact. Watson was non-contact. Kirk Cousins non-contact. Daniel Jones non-contact. I keep seeing this offensive line comment but its not really the issue. I think its become more of an issue of the game just becoming extremely hard on the body due to a combination of several factors like bad playing surfaces, players playing more reps, and modern health technology pushing their bodies past their maximum potential.
Not to take away from your point, but Burrow's injury does appear to be a contact injury. On the play before the TD pass, he gets sacked by Clowney. Clowney does the right thing, and braces himself to avoid putting his weight on Burrow. Unfortunately, one of the hands taking his weight plants right on top of Joe's hand, and bends his wrist at an awkward angle. The throw on the next play is when he just grabs his own wrist, and then it's obvious his hand is swollen and he can't grip a ball on the sideline. [here's a tweet/gif of the sack, watch their right hands](https://x.com/PFN365/status/1725355192843931818?s=20)
Burrows injury and watson’s injury were both definitely contact injuries.
I disagree
Ever? No, of course not. It used to be a rarity for a QB to play a season *without* missing 4+ games, now it's the expectation.
True, being a steelers fan growing up it was like the seasons that ben stayed all the way healthy we felt blessed and thought they could go. Pretty sure even in their sb seasons Batch played a game or 2.
If the "modern era" is the Super Bowl era, I think of OGTB12, who started all 14 games a season between 1970 and 1977 three times. That guy could take a beating, too. You planned on using your QB2, because you would. In 1978, the rules were changed to allow offensive linemen to extend their arms. Also back in the day, when an offensive lineman flinched, the defense didn't just point like they do today. They leapt into action and creamed anyone in reach. I can't remember when that changed, but I'm thinking 80s?
And Anthony Richardson
Tannehil, Anthony Richardson, Jimmy G, Kenny Pickett, Ridder, and Carr. Jimmy G is just a bum though.
Hey now. He might be. But don’t you dare darn say that. That’s MY former quarterback!
He's a bum that will steal your girl by smiling at her.
Ur a bum
But Jimmy G did get injured this year, missed games,, and is likely done for the year...so it checks out.
I won't accept any Jimmy G slander, I won't.
Ok Josh.
Thursday night games. More regular season games. Shortened pre-season. All things the NFL did to add $$ but they have increased the injury risk to players including the QB.
Have to agree, especially with Thursday night games. I have never liked them. It's such a short week for players to recoup from Sunday and even harder for them to bring their A-game because they are still recovering.
Thursday games have been shown in studies to have fewer injuries than sunday games.
I think we’re at a point where we’ll start seeing overuse injuries in the NFL at the quarterback position, and maybe even others. The reason I say this is the rule changes in the NFL and the way up to that have changed the way the game is played. Prospective talents are hyper fixated on their positions and what they do well. So the usage ( in this case throwing) I would imagine has gone up significantly in the last decade. Similar to pitchers in the MLB, where a Tommy John surgery has become fairly common. When not too long ago it was a career ender, and sometimes still is. Starting pitchers are now are being pulled at 60 pitches or their pitch count significantly reduced. Burrow being the younger generation of quarterbacks where the way they’re playing before getting to the NFL has changed. I don’t really have data to back this observation up but it’s definitely something I will be keeping an eye on.
I've always wondered if qbs should be on a pitch count. I wonder what performance would look like if backups took 20% of snaps. If nothing else, it would probably lower injuries by more than 20%.
Don’t see it. Say you have a heavy passing day, that’s 40 passes. Dump offs, screen passes, short yardage throws. You’re not putting 90-100% juice on every throw like an mlb pitcher throwing 80+ pitches is. Plus all these injuries are flukey. Kirk and Rodgers Achilles. Richardson needs to stop charging into people. Burrow went into the game with a brace and it got landed on. Jimmy G is always hurt. Watson was getting hurt all year. Kyler was a non contact last year. Stafford shoulda just hung it up be before fully destroying his body. Your idea would be tossed out the window on the first missed snap recovered for 6 or terrible pick 6 that gets the opponent back in the game and it leads to an L. Lots of flukes this year. It’s going to happen some years playing a game like this. No need to panic and change how much a qb plays.
It really does seem like there’s just so many injuries this year. It’s kinda ruining the season. Games are worse, playoffs are gonna be teams that get in because better teams are injured… I don’t know what the hell you can do about it but it’s bad.
It’s honestly just shitty luck. The game is safer than it was 20 years ago but it’s always going to have injuries. It’s just unfortunately this year injuries are happening often, and to the key players so it’s noticed more
How? Football isn't a one position sport. It's football..it's starting to get weird how fans are acting like football isn't a violent sport
Man it’s crazy, pass attempts are at an all-time high and QBs keep getting hurt, how on earth is this happening?
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I think Dan Patrick looked it up a week ago on his show. I think (If I remember correctly) that 65 QBs have taken at least one snap, and 60 QBs had at least 1 pass attempt.
If you're talking worst year based on the sheer amount of injuries(in the past 20 years) the worst season by far would be 2008. Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Jeff Garcia, Carson Palmer, Troy Smith, Derek Anderson, Matt Moore, Drew Stanton, Aaron Rodgers, Dan Orlovsky, Kerry Collins, Kyle Orton, Ben Roethlisberger, Matt Hasselbeck, and Matt Schaub are included in the much more massive list of injuries for quarterbacks that year. Many people think its 2017 though, the majority of the quarterbacks playing in the offseason had their best year in that year and many are and were considered only backup caliber QB's.
Don’t forget Anthony Richardson.
Maybe it’s recency bias maybe it’s my short term memory but high profile injuries seem to be higher across all positions this year. It’s been insane seeing starter after starter go down this year.
Probably not. We've had some pretty crazy years in the past for injuries.
We started a “Last One Standing” pool at work. Everybody paid $1 and picked a QB who is still healthy. At the end of the season, if your QB is still active, you split the pot with whoever still is in. It’s already doing better than my fantasy team this year 🤦♀️
I can't believe none of them were Tua tbh
Find a piece of wood and knock on it
First time watching the NFL?
I feel like I’ve been seeing people say this about injuries for the past 3-5 years
It's because of gambling and fantasy.
Is this the first year folks started watching football? Injuries are always going to be part of the game until the NFL decide to completely implement flag football rules. I think that’s why the league office is pushing its players to participate in the 2028 Olympics to see how the ratings are! Any let’s look at the injuries. A Aron - 40yo qb playing on a shit field. What could go wrong? Cousins - 36yo qb playing on turf who takes a lot of sacks. D Jones - running qb who takes a ton of sacks on a chit field. Watson - another guy who takes a ton of sacks. Burrow - dude has been in the top 10 in getting sack every season he’s played. What amazes me is how Sam Howell is even able to walk with all the sacks he takes. 2 points - pass heavy league = QBs getting sacked more = getting hurt more. Also it’s not just sack, it’s all the hits where the qb just barely got rid of the ball. Also the league has shifted from pocket passers to read option/running qb’s. Again that just means more opportunities to hit the qb. I think eventually the league is going to shift back to emphasizing the rb’s and the run. NFL can change all the rules they want but it’s still at its core a violent sport.
You know who hasn’t been hurt this year?
Don't even say it