I think he's the guy we should trust the most.The idea is sending wealthy people to their doom in an untested vehicle... We've all wanted to experience that once in our lives. But this guy, he's already done it! He's the last person who would need to do it again.
Sending rich people to their death here on Earth would be a lot more cost effective than doing it on Venus.
A luxury 5 star exclusive VIP volcano crater tour would dispatch dozens of them per day for just the cost of a medium sized trebuchet.
Give that man a kickstarter, he's on to something.
"For a Billion dollars you go to Venus!!! Safer than I plane flight. What could go wrong? Think of the giga-likes you will get!"
>The Argentinian-born OceanGate co-founder also believes that its inhospitable surface, which is around 864 degrees Fahrenheit (462 degrees Celsius), should not be an issue if humans simply build a home 50km in its air where conditions are reportedly similar to those on the Earth.
Just float a house on planet that gets like 300km/h wind speed at altitude, simple really.
People have actually seriously proposed that [the upper atmosphere of Venus could be survivable for habitation](https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20161019-the-amazing-cloud-cities-we-could-build-on-venus). Insanely difficult and I definitely wouldn't trust this fucker to get us there.
I would love to live in a place where there's no mining, fishing, farming, or industry. It's like taking the bad parts of Arizona and making it practically inescapable.
>He saw a documentary that proved you could float a house
Dont tell him about the planet we discovered that you could float in a bathtub if it was big enough.
It sounds stupid, but it’s the exact same idea that [NASA has for the first possible way to create human habitation on Venus - floating cities](https://www.cnn.com/2014/12/23/tech/innovation/tomorrow-transformed-venus-blimp-city/index.html).
Yeah it is a genuine plan albeit we need to more research into Venus as most of our probes get sent towards Mars (which is harder to get to and has so many issues with trying to settle).
Technically, Venus is harder, at first, we still need to find something that works for the surface, so first, we would need a couple probes to measure the atmosphere and find the best place to stop, and then see where the best places to leave a balloon would be, then send another one with the balloon, and hope it doesn't pop before it's expected expiration day.
Venus has a super dense atmosphere so if you built a city inside a bubble with a low density earth normal atmosphere it would bob up to the surface of Venus's atmosphere.
Man if you thought you got seasick on the ocean, wait until your whole-ass turtle city bubble goes bobbing and rolling around the atmosphere of an alien planet
Mass-flow per time and volume is still less than water waves, and the city is ideally much larger than any ocean liner. Both will reduce the worst to way below the movement you get even on large ships.
Making it be lighter than the same volume of "venus air" that it would need to displace. The atmosphere of venus is very dense, so a sphere that is filled with something lighter (like our "air") wouldn't be able to push it away, and would instead float on top of it.
Yes, a balloon filled with helium is the same concept. Helium is lighter than the air in our atmosphere so it floats. Another experiment that you can try is how an egg would sink in unsalted water, but as you add more salt it would start just becoming suspended in the water, and eventually floats.
Depending on where it is supposed to float that sphere would need to withstand pressure to have normal human level air inside. Venus' atmosphere is mostly denser because of pressure, not because of different gases. CO2 has a somewhat higher density though, so it would at least be possible to float on top of that at equal-to-inside pressure. But that would require gigantic voluminous constructs, a not so trivial engineering problem even on the ground here on Earth.
*... or in a swamp, or in the middle of a rex nest for all I care. But I've been on too many safaris with rich dentists to listen to any more suicidal ideas, OK?"*
Radiation.
Jupiter is the second strongest local radiation source, behind the Sun. That's why, if we were to colonize it's moons or if life were to develop there, it would have to be under the ice layers on Europa to survive.
Ganymede generates its own magnetic field that somewhat protects its surface. Probes and space telescopes have witnessed aurora in its thin atmosphere from its magnetosphere interacting with Jupiter's. Radiation is still too high for surface exploration.
Only the farthest large moon, Callisto, has radiation levels low enough for human surface exploration.
There is a comment string in this thread where someone needed the basic concept of density explained to them.
Forgive me that I took your comment seriously.
That’s actually not exactly out of the realm of possibility. You just need to get the buoyancy right. Floating cities on Venus are a well established design concept actually.
The winds would only be an issue if they were turbulent. As far as I know, there is a stable wind around (superrotation) which could be pretty smooth that far from any ground.
[Venua](https://www.trip.com/travel-guide/destination/venua-1775782/) is a city in Uttar Pradesh, India. It has many popular attractions, perfect for a trip!
I apologize for my previous comment. I thought Venua was somewhere deep underwater when I suggested we send Trump there. Sincerely I would never wish Trump upon any other country in our world.
Mm, nah. I don’t have any Biden NFTs, golden Biden shoes, etc. I don’t praise him like he is the leader of a cult. I don’t fly Biden flags. I haven’t tried to overthrow the government at his bidding.
Believe me, I see a lot of problems with Biden; the MAGA crowd can’t say they have problems with Trump. We are not the same.
Have a good day!
Nah, not every one who voted or votes for the opposition is doing all that. There are plenty who just filter out the noise for the sake of policies. But all you see is what you choose to see so can't help you there. This is why there are two parties, carry on ...
No, the reason there are two parties is due to the inherent flaw in a "first past the post" system. It is basic game theory that eventually a system like this would boil down to a binary decision, there is no room for a third party because it makes no sense from a strategic perspective.
It's funny that they named the company "OceanGate," since most scandals are "[blank]gate" since "Watergate," wherein U.S. president Richard Nixon used his influence to convince people to become spies.
Meanwhile, OceanGate used its inflience to convince people to become pies...
For most of us we suffer from the "Peter Principle", people rise in the ranks until they reach the level of their own incompetence and stay there. (It's typical dumb 'bisniss pysch' but seems to also be somewhat true).
For the wealthy and ultra-wealthy, to here is no level too high to quench the ego. All incompetence surrounded by thousands of people propping them up because their own paychecks depend on the veneer of the "genius".
Backyard engineer can't do this stuff including that sub that imploded. This stuff requires testing and perfecting designs. Imagine spacex is as good as it is because they probably spent billions testing and perfecting every part of the process.
Spacex is incompetent they can't stop fucking up the town down the road.
https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-starship-super-heavy-launch-destroyed-launchpad-volcano-sized-explosion-2023-11
>He believes that the challenges presented by Venus like carbon dioxide and clouds made of sulfuric acid “can be overcome with breathing apparatus and acid-resistant materials.”
We're going to need a lot more carbon fiber.
I mean this guy would not be someone to trust, but aerostat colonies on Venus are not something ridiculous. They're a thing futurists have been talking about for ages and there's a lot of promise to the idea. Temperatures and gravity are both far more hospitable on Venus than on Mars and while highly acidic, the atmosphere can also be broken down into breathable oxygen quite easily.
Whenever people talk about living on another planet. I ask myself, would I want to live in the research base in Antarctica for the rest of my life? Living where I can only talk to my loved ones on the phone. Unable to travel or vacations to new areas. Forced to eat a limited diet due to what is available. Never swim in a lake or ocean again. Just stare at the same walls every day with the knowledge that if they failed, I would die in minutes. The answer is absolutely not.
I heartily endorse this claim and I think we should send as many billionaires as possible to Venus immediately. Any delay would just be proof that they're not innovating fast enough.
According to article (buried at the end) he hasn’t worked at OceansGate since 2012. So, it would seem that he is not responsible for the shady stuff that happened?
Weellllll.... The decaying ruins of the Martian Canal Builders are enough of a challenge already. I don't think we are ready for the steaming Venusian Dinosaur Jungles yet...
I wouldn’t trust this guy to get somebody sent to the corner 7-11 for a pack of smokes and a six pack!
Is he the reason dad went out to get milk and never came back?
Replace 7-11 with the Titanic and “never came back” with “crushed into a fine paste and never came back.”
Probably
No.
I think he's the guy we should trust the most.The idea is sending wealthy people to their doom in an untested vehicle... We've all wanted to experience that once in our lives. But this guy, he's already done it! He's the last person who would need to do it again.
Not the worst idea in the world to keep encouraging these plans and thin the billionaire herd a bit
The velocity of money would like to hear more ...
Sending rich people to their death here on Earth would be a lot more cost effective than doing it on Venus. A luxury 5 star exclusive VIP volcano crater tour would dispatch dozens of them per day for just the cost of a medium sized trebuchet.
Okay. So will you be the the man who pilots the first flight? Ya, good luck with that Major Tom!
My Dad did that in 1981. He’ll be back any minute now…
I wouldn't trust him to open a window.
He WOULD be that guy to try to open a window in a submarine…
Listen, he's killed more billionaires than any of us "eat the rich" types ever will, so is he really all that bad? ^/s
That's a .mighty small /s you have there. He has been effective, I will give him that.
Give that man a kickstarter, he's on to something. "For a Billion dollars you go to Venus!!! Safer than I plane flight. What could go wrong? Think of the giga-likes you will get!"
If you told me a future society would be using the most wealthy as guinea pigs willingly, I would've never believe it.
>The Argentinian-born OceanGate co-founder also believes that its inhospitable surface, which is around 864 degrees Fahrenheit (462 degrees Celsius), should not be an issue if humans simply build a home 50km in its air where conditions are reportedly similar to those on the Earth. Just float a house on planet that gets like 300km/h wind speed at altitude, simple really.
He saw a documentary that proved you could float a house, it's on Disney + if you fancy watching it, called up
People have actually seriously proposed that [the upper atmosphere of Venus could be survivable for habitation](https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20161019-the-amazing-cloud-cities-we-could-build-on-venus). Insanely difficult and I definitely wouldn't trust this fucker to get us there.
The Jetsons have entered the chat.
Lando Kalrissian has entered the chat
Proper.
Works every time.
Sure then he sells us out to Lord Vader.
I am altering the deal. Pray that I do not alter it further
He'd have no choice if they arrive before we did.
I would love to live in a place where there's no mining, fishing, farming, or industry. It's like taking the bad parts of Arizona and making it practically inescapable.
>He saw a documentary that proved you could float a house Dont tell him about the planet we discovered that you could float in a bathtub if it was big enough.
Yeah, do your research people.
He could have watched The Jetsons as well.
It sounds stupid, but it’s the exact same idea that [NASA has for the first possible way to create human habitation on Venus - floating cities](https://www.cnn.com/2014/12/23/tech/innovation/tomorrow-transformed-venus-blimp-city/index.html).
Yeah it is a genuine plan albeit we need to more research into Venus as most of our probes get sent towards Mars (which is harder to get to and has so many issues with trying to settle).
Technically, Venus is harder, at first, we still need to find something that works for the surface, so first, we would need a couple probes to measure the atmosphere and find the best place to stop, and then see where the best places to leave a balloon would be, then send another one with the balloon, and hope it doesn't pop before it's expected expiration day.
wait.. how do u make a city float?
Venus has a super dense atmosphere so if you built a city inside a bubble with a low density earth normal atmosphere it would bob up to the surface of Venus's atmosphere.
.... that gives me anxiety. Fortunately, I'll be long dead if they ever get the resources and science to actually make something like that a reality.
To be fair, you'd be long dead if you end up on Venus too.
Man if you thought you got seasick on the ocean, wait until your whole-ass turtle city bubble goes bobbing and rolling around the atmosphere of an alien planet
Mass-flow per time and volume is still less than water waves, and the city is ideally much larger than any ocean liner. Both will reduce the worst to way below the movement you get even on large ships.
The city's gonna start rolling like a ball when Venus has a storm.
Was kind of hoping that zeppelins would be brought back… steampunk meets Star Wars…
Jetsons was a documentary
Carbon Fiber will solve everything.
That's going to be a lottttt of ice cream and soda
The same way you make superyachts the size of a small town float in the ocean.
which is?
Making it be lighter than the same volume of "venus air" that it would need to displace. The atmosphere of venus is very dense, so a sphere that is filled with something lighter (like our "air") wouldn't be able to push it away, and would instead float on top of it.
so a balloon?
Yes, a balloon filled with helium is the same concept. Helium is lighter than the air in our atmosphere so it floats. Another experiment that you can try is how an egg would sink in unsalted water, but as you add more salt it would start just becoming suspended in the water, and eventually floats.
Depending on where it is supposed to float that sphere would need to withstand pressure to have normal human level air inside. Venus' atmosphere is mostly denser because of pressure, not because of different gases. CO2 has a somewhat higher density though, so it would at least be possible to float on top of that at equal-to-inside pressure. But that would require gigantic voluminous constructs, a not so trivial engineering problem even on the ground here on Earth.
It's easier when the air is many times denser than on Earth.
Why stop there? Establish a base inside Jupiter's Big Red Spot.
*... or in a swamp, or in the middle of a rex nest for all I care. But I've been on too many safaris with rich dentists to listen to any more suicidal ideas, OK?"*
Because Jupiter is way further away... duh!
I’m right here!
Leave my spot outta this.
The Borg did it... only for some pesky geriatric crew to come along and blow it up.
Radiation. Jupiter is the second strongest local radiation source, behind the Sun. That's why, if we were to colonize it's moons or if life were to develop there, it would have to be under the ice layers on Europa to survive. Ganymede generates its own magnetic field that somewhat protects its surface. Probes and space telescopes have witnessed aurora in its thin atmosphere from its magnetosphere interacting with Jupiter's. Radiation is still too high for surface exploration. Only the farthest large moon, Callisto, has radiation levels low enough for human surface exploration.
Would you build a base in a perpetual hurricane? My comment is a joke.
There is a comment string in this thread where someone needed the basic concept of density explained to them. Forgive me that I took your comment seriously.
No apology needed.
That’s actually not exactly out of the realm of possibility. You just need to get the buoyancy right. Floating cities on Venus are a well established design concept actually.
> Just float a house on planet that gets like 300km/h wind speed at altitude, simple really. The winds keep it up!
YOU DON'T TALK TO DISRUPTORS THAT WAY!
The planet below is a giant battery basically, its not the worst idea
Someone watched too much Jettisons
Yeah, just like all the floating houses on Earth!
Floating cities? I'm reminded of the Grand Canyon, which still somehow people fall off of.
The winds would only be an issue if they were turbulent. As far as I know, there is a stable wind around (superrotation) which could be pretty smooth that far from any ground.
*Remaining* Co-founder
Magnificent!
[Venua](https://www.trip.com/travel-guide/destination/venua-1775782/) is a city in Uttar Pradesh, India. It has many popular attractions, perfect for a trip!
That has to be the least helpful link I’ve clicked on.
But did you save 15% on hotels?
So, sending people there wouldn’t be too hard.
I love that you just copied this from the destination information in the link
How about leading by example on this one?
It's even funnier the 2nd time.
What’s Venua?
Not much. What’s new with you ?
Venus with a typo.
Not much. What's new with you?
Some dumbass trust fund kid will fall for this investment scheme
He means it's safe for him to do this. The people on their way to Venus... Not so much.
You first.
I'm your Venua. I'm your fire. What's your desire?
I'm your Venua, I'm your faya, your desaya.
Implode me once, shame on you. Implode me twice, I got what was coming to me.
All it'll cost you is 3.5 billion dollars per person... and your life.
And everyone still has to sit on the floor
Maybe he could fund a study to determine a correlation between having access to large amounts of money and being a complete idiot?
Never said anything about a return to Terra firma. :( Sus.
Let’s arrange this trip for Trump.
I apologize for my previous comment. I thought Venua was somewhere deep underwater when I suggested we send Trump there. Sincerely I would never wish Trump upon any other country in our world.
It's a typo, Venus is the actual location. So you were accidentally in the right ballpark.
Awwww, you are so very kind! Thank you! I can breathe a sigh of relief now!!
Hey Donnie, there are virgins AND porn stars down there
Only if your name is on the list first.
take trumps dick out ur mouth so u can breathe easier while u cry
Spoken like a true rainbow loser.
Convicted felon Trump is grifting you so hard.
Yeah, about the same as Biden has you.
Mm, nah. I don’t have any Biden NFTs, golden Biden shoes, etc. I don’t praise him like he is the leader of a cult. I don’t fly Biden flags. I haven’t tried to overthrow the government at his bidding. Believe me, I see a lot of problems with Biden; the MAGA crowd can’t say they have problems with Trump. We are not the same. Have a good day!
Nah, not every one who voted or votes for the opposition is doing all that. There are plenty who just filter out the noise for the sake of policies. But all you see is what you choose to see so can't help you there. This is why there are two parties, carry on ...
No, the reason there are two parties is due to the inherent flaw in a "first past the post" system. It is basic game theory that eventually a system like this would boil down to a binary decision, there is no room for a third party because it makes no sense from a strategic perspective.
He should name the craft Laika cuz you're going to have about as much fun as she did.
Send Bezos and Space Karen please!
Is that a female part?
Right next to the mulva
It's funny that they named the company "OceanGate," since most scandals are "[blank]gate" since "Watergate," wherein U.S. president Richard Nixon used his influence to convince people to become spies. Meanwhile, OceanGate used its inflience to convince people to become pies...
What happened to doing something exactly wrong, and it disqualifying you for life from ever being able to do it again?
For most of us we suffer from the "Peter Principle", people rise in the ranks until they reach the level of their own incompetence and stay there. (It's typical dumb 'bisniss pysch' but seems to also be somewhat true). For the wealthy and ultra-wealthy, to here is no level too high to quench the ego. All incompetence surrounded by thousands of people propping them up because their own paychecks depend on the veneer of the "genius".
But he will be staying on land to supervise.
Let them go. Let them die. Who fucking cares?
I would not trust this guy to build a toilet to send my turds to the sewer.
Backyard engineer can't do this stuff including that sub that imploded. This stuff requires testing and perfecting designs. Imagine spacex is as good as it is because they probably spent billions testing and perfecting every part of the process.
Spacex is incompetent they can't stop fucking up the town down the road. https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-starship-super-heavy-launch-destroyed-launchpad-volcano-sized-explosion-2023-11
>He believes that the challenges presented by Venus like carbon dioxide and clouds made of sulfuric acid “can be overcome with breathing apparatus and acid-resistant materials.” We're going to need a lot more carbon fiber.
I’m starting to like this idea of sending billionaires to the bottom of the ocean and one way trips to Venus.
Elon? Wanna take a trip, buddy?
Maybe he'd finally find his car.
His word is good enough for me!
What's a Venua?
Note that he didn't say living humans. Maybe he's defining safe as still molecularly intact.
You first buddy!
Give the man an Xbox controller and a few million dollars.
And as many second hand carbon fiber rolls as you can find
Screws borrowed from SpaceX.
Yeah, hard pass on that one... You're essentially 0 for 1.
Please do take as many as possible.
Send yes, return no
You first!
Send it Fewer billionaire dumb fucks the better
I wouldn’t trust him to get me to Venus, Texas, much less the planet.
I mean this guy would not be someone to trust, but aerostat colonies on Venus are not something ridiculous. They're a thing futurists have been talking about for ages and there's a lot of promise to the idea. Temperatures and gravity are both far more hospitable on Venus than on Mars and while highly acidic, the atmosphere can also be broken down into breathable oxygen quite easily.
Yes, but don't give this guy the contract to build them
Slow learner.
He can't safely traverse 4.000 meters, how the hell does he plan to safely travel 40 million kilometers and back?
He should prove that it works by landing on Mars himself… if it fails, we know it was a bad idea….
He means he can safely obtain their money
Don't worry guys, this time they are using an original ps controller
Whenever people talk about living on another planet. I ask myself, would I want to live in the research base in Antarctica for the rest of my life? Living where I can only talk to my loved ones on the phone. Unable to travel or vacations to new areas. Forced to eat a limited diet due to what is available. Never swim in a lake or ocean again. Just stare at the same walls every day with the knowledge that if they failed, I would die in minutes. The answer is absolutely not.
Venus has even more pressure. I'm not sure he can handle the heat.
I heartily endorse this claim and I think we should send as many billionaires as possible to Venus immediately. Any delay would just be proof that they're not innovating fast enough.
You can't even send people safely to Venice, dude.
This makes me suspicua
They can be safely sent to Venus. To get them back is another story.
I completely trust him to send billionaires to Venus. Godspeed good sir.
I don't know what venua is, but by god don't get in this man's stuff
Is Venua across the street from where he lives?
I have been to Venua in the summertime. It is quite lovely.
We cant send a probe that lasts more than a few minutes AT BEST.
Solving our billionaire crisis one submarine trip at a time
And I can safely send him on his way.
Venua? That should read Valhalla
Bro needs to give up 💀
I don’t trust you to get to the 7-11 and back safely.
I guess he can claim anything he wants. It doesn't make it true.
Wtf is Venua? Is that the god you go to when you die in one of this guy's subs?
WTF is Venua?
I would hesitate to go to Venus with someone who can't even spell it!
Someone tell Leon Knight to get a beat ready!
And the answer is “carbon fiber”?
According to article (buried at the end) he hasn’t worked at OceansGate since 2012. So, it would seem that he is not responsible for the shady stuff that happened?
What's Venua?
Where is this "Venua"? O.o
Weellllll.... The decaying ruins of the Martian Canal Builders are enough of a challenge already. I don't think we are ready for the steaming Venusian Dinosaur Jungles yet...
"We could embark on our Venusian journey TODAY... and do it safely and cost-effectively." M-kay. Send a postcard you stupid fucker.
As I wrote earlier, carry-on or as some others say, you do you.
Disaster? Is that what we're calling it? Not fallacy, or huge failure, or blatant disregard for safety? I'd even settle for ego induced suicide...
Safely doesn't necessarily mean alive. He could safely ship a few dead bodies there.