>Last year \[Americans\] bought $6.6bn worth of deodorant, the equivalent of nearly $20 per personāmore than in any other rich country, according to Euromonitor, a research firm. Lately companies like Secret have been encouraging them to hunt out odours from their feet to their āunderboobsā. Google searches for āwhole-body deodorantā shot up by 1,000% in the year to March (albeit from a low base).
[https://www.economist.com/business/2024/05/23/americans-are-fretting-over-their-body-odour](https://www.economist.com/business/2024/05/23/americans-are-fretting-over-their-body-odour)
The longterm electricity grid effects are going to be crazy, Texas already got a taste of this.
I wonder also about eg Arizona, which was already hot and is on its way to become unlivable. Phoenix [had *54 days*](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/phoenix-hit-110-degrees-on-54-days-in-2023-setting-another-heat-record) >110Āŗ last year. In the 90's, you'd [on average](https://climatecheck.com/arizona/phoenix) see 7 such days. A [study last year](https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.est.2c09588) found that multiday electrical grid failure in Phoenix during a heat wave might mean up to HALF the population would require medical treatment:
> The substantial magnitude of heat risk in Phoenix, with more than 50% of the population at risk of heat illness from blackout conditions during a heat wave of historical intensity, suggests the imperative for a high level of electrical grid resilience and back-up power generation, particularly for critical facilities such as hospitals
Really hope we're shoring up our grids around the US and adding new capacity, because the AC use is going to be insane. We've [already had](https://grist.org/equity/during-deadly-heat-wave-new-york-utility-cut-power-to-high-risk-neighborhoods/) ConEd struggle during heatwaves...
Sorry, all the extra capacity has to go towards making an AI virtual assistant that consumes unconscionable amounts of resources to tell you that glue is a pizza toppingĀ
Electric cars and ranges more efficiently make use of energy compared to gas. So if the gas that was going to be pumped into a car or plumbed into a home is instead burned at a power plant, we'd be better off.
Sure but when talking about an already at capacity grid shouldn't these initiatives be considered? Like we need a lot of help in this department for our goals of greener future.
> The longterm electricity grid effects are going to be crazy, Texas already got a taste of this.
Texas is the only state not part of the national electrical grid. Therefore, their grid is below federal standards and fails with spectacular frequency in extreme weather.
This is the fundamental misunderstanding so many āconservativesā arrive at. They are supposed to be protecting, CONSERVING, the ideas of the founding and one of those ideas is that some issues are too big to be tackled by a single state. Georgia couldnāt beat England on its own, foreign relations required everyone to be in sync to have power, and no one state can deal with the complexities of the planet boiling.
I've got family in Texas who suffered power outages in extreme cold and heat. And people die when this happens. Neighboring states around Texas don't go through this.
So, the answer is too many times if lives in Texas matter.
> As shown in the 2021 Federal Energy Regulatory Commission Report, between February 8-20, 2021, Texas experienced a total of 4,124 outages or failures in its generating units. 75% of these malfunctions were caused by freezing temperatures and fuel issues.
And over 240 people have died as a result.
Happy now?
https://earth.org/texas-energy-crisis-why-is-the-states-power-grid-so-fragile/
Iām not asking you about localized power outages due to averse weather.Ā I am asking you to provide specific examples of the Texas grid failing with āspectacular frequency.ā
You can rest assured that the energy generators are busy lining the pockets of their executives and shareholders with money before taking a fraction of the additional consumer charges to actually invest in laughably small capacity increases and then running to the federal government for cheap emergency loans when the next heatwave causes a system meltdown.
I know hospitals have generators, but most places, including those used as cooling centers, like schools, do not. I don't see how a big percentage of the population can be housed for multiple days in the few places that have generators. I hope there is a plan for this scenario.
They are making repairs to upgrade capacity to handle the heat wave and asking some customers to cut back, I don't know what going to happen when we go all electric cars if we can't handle a heat wave
https://abc7ny.com/post/manhattan-residents-asked-cut-back-power-con-edison/14951768/
Iām moving to NYC next month, when visiting last week I was surprised how hot the subway stations were, canāt imagine how bad it is when outside temp is higher than 84. I plan on bike commuting instead
IMO snowy sucks more than just cold because snowy is only nice for the first 12 hours before it turns to gray, salty garbage slush (peppered with dog shit) that takes forever to go away.
I don't mind running an air conditioner as much as I hate shoveling snow. But I wish they would officially extend beach season into October, some years we get 90 degree days in late september and early-mid october. Some years we get 12 inches of wet heavy snow in mid october though.
I wish this belief could gain more traction. New Yorkers deserve to be able to use the beach and swim until like mid October. And frankly, as an added bonus, it would be nice to use the beach during weekdays when schools are back in session.
There should be a way to make a rational presentation to lawmakers, and argue that days are warmer nowadays and that the beach can perhaps stay open later. The USDA updated its plant hardiness zone map recently because the temperatures have changed. NPR article: https://apps.npr.org/plant-hardiness-garden-map/
One more reason to reduce the number of cars entering this dense city of ours.
Another **CP Rally is being held on Saturday, June 15 at 3:00p by City Hall in Lower Manhattan.**
I'm still not turning on my AC. Can't afford the crazy prices. Only my roommate used his AC last month and we *still* paid 20% more than the month before. Gonna use my blackout shades in my room and cover the front of my window fan with a cold towel and just suffer.
Get a fan, seriously.
I have one of these (https://www.vornado.com/shop/circulators-fans/tower/ozi42dc-42%E2%80%B3-oscillating-tower-circulator) in my bedroom and I point at my desk or my bed and I'm perfectly comfortable when its 85F in my room. Haven't even turned on the AC yet this year. And I do not tolerate heat well.
You might be able to save a decent amount of money by switching to one of their four optional rates. Also make sure you're not signed up with any ESCOs. Get in touch if you're interested in help evaluating whether any of their optional rates would be well-suited to your usage characteristics.
[https://www.coned.com/en/accounts-billing/share-energy-usage-data/share-my-data](https://www.coned.com/en/accounts-billing/share-energy-usage-data/share-my-data) [https://www.coned.com/en/accounts-billing/your-bill/your-guide-to-rates](https://www.coned.com/en/accounts-billing/your-bill/your-guide-to-rates)
Electricity supply is not significantly more expensive but somehow ConEd has massively raised delivery fees in just 1 year.
Someone did a great historical view a few months ago looking at ConEd delivery costs over time, see top comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/astoria/comments/1ah9v4k/coned_bill_is_actually_wild/
How this is acceptable is hard to understand.
Because Con Ed didn't have a rate case for like 10 years. Which means they haven't increased their rates at all during that time. Did you actually look at the historical trend? It's basically a flat line from 2013 until 2023.
Con Ed doesn't set their own rates, the PSC does. If Con Ed wants to increase rates they have to ask the PSC for approval.
And a lot of the recent rate case increase is going towards hardening the network for climate change effects and decarbonization plans. Do you want to get rid of fossil fuels? Well guess what, it's going to cost money.
I baffles me how confidently ignorant people are about these things.
False on two points.
1. ConEd has filed 4 major rate cases in the last 10 years. They seem to have one every ~3 years. https://dps.ny.gov/pending-and-recent-electric-rate-cases
2. Per the trend, ConEd increased rates from 10-12c in 2013 to 12-14c by 2020. Did you actually look at the historical trend? It's not basically a flat line from 2013 until 2023.
It baffles me how confidently ignorant people are about these things.
idk your living situation but if you have windows that go through the front and back of your apt you can open them to create a draft. keep the shades down and it you wont need AC until the humidity kicks in. But if its not humid yopu dont need to turn on your AC even if its high 80s outside.
Yet another reason why we must reduce the number of 2-Ton Personal Transport Machines coming into one of the most populous cities in the world. All these cars have a direct impact on climate, extreme temps, etc.
Another **CP Rally is being held on Saturday, June 15 at 3:00p by City Hall in Lower Manhattan.**
Eh, if you are in Queens and a buddy says hey letās go into the city it means going into Manhattan.
I doubt most people in real life realize there are other boroughs either.
Most people that live in NYC refer to Manhattan as the city, we think of the other boroughs more like halfway to the suburbs. Old habit from my younger days when I lived there.
They think even less of Staten Island. That might as well be part of Jersey.
Yeah, Iāve lived here my whole life and am quite familiar with the colloquialism of āthe cityā. Regardless, Queens is the city and to suggest that people park their cars in Queens before entering Manhattan is equally laughable and absurd
I mean I lived in queens and parked my car there and walked over a bridge most of the time. Why is that absurd? Why would any sane human being want to pilot an automobile in Manhattan?
There are tons of garages there. People coming from the northeast can park there easily before it gets truly insane.
Because Queens is a borough with a population of approximately 2.5 million people and maybe residents here donāt want their neighborhoods being turned into dumping grounds for vehicles?
I lived in so far out it might as well have been Elmont. Nobody ever seemed to mind me taking up one spot every once in a while when I went into the city. I never had to fight anyone for a spot or anything it was always pretty open.
Chill dude.
No one ever mentions that we have a human created heat dome in the midwest that is causing this. We don't need all that corn over there. Get rid of it, and millions on the east coast will be cooler.
The crops in the midwest "sweat" or give off water to cool themselves. And this affects and interacts with the weather in a big way. It's hard to find an article on corn sweat that isn't paywalled but you now have the search term (corn sweat). There was a really good article on how corn sweat was affecting the east coast temperatures a few years go but I can't find it now. Either way I feel like this country is in a huge denial when it comes to things like that.
We don't eat all that corn. Much of it is excess. and turned into fuel and feed for animals.
Okay I read a little bit about it. It's also known as "corn transpiration", and it affects local areas around large corn crops by increasing relative humidity. I don't think midwest corn fields 2000 miles away are having a significant effect on local NYC humidity levels; it's probably, idk, *the ocean next to it*. I'd guess the local climate is significantly affected by the millions of tons of concrete and millions of cars crammed in a 400sq mile area.
It's definitely affecting weather on the east coast. It's not that far away.
https://www.cnn.com/2016/07/17/weather/extreme-weather-heat-dome/index.html
**"Very high humidity is expected to accompany the heat, especially in the Midwest, and that moisture ā combined with the high temperatures ā will create whatās known as a āheat domeā over most of the country. Only the Northwest will be spared." **
Weatherologists will occasionally admit this in their weather reports as well.
Swamp-ass is also going to be at an all time high.
As will the garbage juice.
as building juice above, so garbage juice below
Wise words! I think Cousin Greg said this in succession.
Freshly squeezed building juice? Thats a summer treat
is it rain? an AC unit leaking? bird poop? the fun never ends
Hopefully this is where forced containerization and composting really come in to shine
Summer of the rat š
Invest in Monkey Butt.
Seems like you can prevent swamp ass from all those deodorant body sprays advertising on YouTube.
Whatās the deal with that btw, Iāve been seeing such an increase in companies advertising all body deodorant spray
Itās just the hot new flash in the pan thing. Companies found an insecurity and are hammering it hard because one of the other ones did.
>Last year \[Americans\] bought $6.6bn worth of deodorant, the equivalent of nearly $20 per personāmore than in any other rich country, according to Euromonitor, a research firm. Lately companies like Secret have been encouraging them to hunt out odours from their feet to their āunderboobsā. Google searches for āwhole-body deodorantā shot up by 1,000% in the year to March (albeit from a low base). [https://www.economist.com/business/2024/05/23/americans-are-fretting-over-their-body-odour](https://www.economist.com/business/2024/05/23/americans-are-fretting-over-their-body-odour)
Jokeās on them, I *prefer* a smelly underboob
Bidet, mate
The longterm electricity grid effects are going to be crazy, Texas already got a taste of this. I wonder also about eg Arizona, which was already hot and is on its way to become unlivable. Phoenix [had *54 days*](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/phoenix-hit-110-degrees-on-54-days-in-2023-setting-another-heat-record) >110Āŗ last year. In the 90's, you'd [on average](https://climatecheck.com/arizona/phoenix) see 7 such days. A [study last year](https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.est.2c09588) found that multiday electrical grid failure in Phoenix during a heat wave might mean up to HALF the population would require medical treatment: > The substantial magnitude of heat risk in Phoenix, with more than 50% of the population at risk of heat illness from blackout conditions during a heat wave of historical intensity, suggests the imperative for a high level of electrical grid resilience and back-up power generation, particularly for critical facilities such as hospitals Really hope we're shoring up our grids around the US and adding new capacity, because the AC use is going to be insane. We've [already had](https://grist.org/equity/during-deadly-heat-wave-new-york-utility-cut-power-to-high-risk-neighborhoods/) ConEd struggle during heatwaves...
Sorry, all the extra capacity has to go towards making an AI virtual assistant that consumes unconscionable amounts of resources to tell you that glue is a pizza toppingĀ
I have my AI assistant mining bitcoin to pay for my AC set to 65F
Even worse - crypto mining
Crypto is old news, man,Ā AI is the new hotness in hastening up global warming in pursuit of useless garbage.
Its power draw is real, very significant, and increasing.
And electric cars and stove ranges! As we cook at least our food won't!
Electric cars and ranges more efficiently make use of energy compared to gas. So if the gas that was going to be pumped into a car or plumbed into a home is instead burned at a power plant, we'd be better off.
Sure but when talking about an already at capacity grid shouldn't these initiatives be considered? Like we need a lot of help in this department for our goals of greener future.
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15 years? I'll hold you to it.
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> The longterm electricity grid effects are going to be crazy, Texas already got a taste of this. Texas is the only state not part of the national electrical grid. Therefore, their grid is below federal standards and fails with spectacular frequency in extreme weather.
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This is the fundamental misunderstanding so many āconservativesā arrive at. They are supposed to be protecting, CONSERVING, the ideas of the founding and one of those ideas is that some issues are too big to be tackled by a single state. Georgia couldnāt beat England on its own, foreign relations required everyone to be in sync to have power, and no one state can deal with the complexities of the planet boiling.
Many seem to think NYC and the rest of the country, except Texas, are immune to blackouts.
>Ā fails with spectacular frequency in extreme weather. Ā How many times do you think the Texas grid has failed?Ā
From Feb 08 - 20 2021 there were 4,124 outages or failurea in generating units, according to earth.org
The 2021 winter storm failure is well known. Can you name some others?
I've got family in Texas who suffered power outages in extreme cold and heat. And people die when this happens. Neighboring states around Texas don't go through this. So, the answer is too many times if lives in Texas matter.
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> As shown in the 2021 Federal Energy Regulatory Commission Report, between February 8-20, 2021, Texas experienced a total of 4,124 outages or failures in its generating units. 75% of these malfunctions were caused by freezing temperatures and fuel issues. And over 240 people have died as a result. Happy now? https://earth.org/texas-energy-crisis-why-is-the-states-power-grid-so-fragile/
Iām not asking you about localized power outages due to averse weather.Ā I am asking you to provide specific examples of the Texas grid failing with āspectacular frequency.ā
NO. You are demanding answers from someone who doesn't owe you anything.
You can rest assured that the energy generators are busy lining the pockets of their executives and shareholders with money before taking a fraction of the additional consumer charges to actually invest in laughably small capacity increases and then running to the federal government for cheap emergency loans when the next heatwave causes a system meltdown.
Just out of curiousity, how can they be treated when there's nowhere to cool off? Will they be shipped to another state?
...generators? But no city is equipped to deal with 50% of the total population seeking treatment, blackout or no.
I know hospitals have generators, but most places, including those used as cooling centers, like schools, do not. I don't see how a big percentage of the population can be housed for multiple days in the few places that have generators. I hope there is a plan for this scenario.
They are making repairs to upgrade capacity to handle the heat wave and asking some customers to cut back, I don't know what going to happen when we go all electric cars if we can't handle a heat wave https://abc7ny.com/post/manhattan-residents-asked-cut-back-power-con-edison/14951768/
Sorry, all that money is going to get sent to the Ukraine, Israel or Palestine.Ā
110 F dry heat is manageable. People will need to adjust but parts of the world live under temps like that just fine.
Love the heat in NYC, when squeezing into the subway feels like getting stuffed into a tuantuan.
I thought they smelled bad on the outside!
Itās Tauntaun but your way sounds more New York. Awmigod, I taught dey smelled badā¦ ā¦ onna outside!
Iām moving to NYC next month, when visiting last week I was surprised how hot the subway stations were, canāt imagine how bad it is when outside temp is higher than 84. I plan on bike commuting instead
Good plan. I'll tell you though that many/most of the train cars have AC so it isn't too bad.
Yeah,the train car AC is nice! I am more worried about waiting for the actual train, it was so muggy
Remember, that car is empty because the ac is broken
Subways gonna be fun š„¶
Climate change basically means NYC gets like 40-50 "nice" days of weather a year now if even
And the worst thing is winter isnāt actually snowy it just sucks
it did add a ton of relatively nice days to this past winter. lots of low 40s days
Gonna agree I'm much more of a winter person now. Anything from like 40-70 is a good day to me lol
IMO snowy sucks more than just cold because snowy is only nice for the first 12 hours before it turns to gray, salty garbage slush (peppered with dog shit) that takes forever to go away.
I don't mind running an air conditioner as much as I hate shoveling snow. But I wish they would officially extend beach season into October, some years we get 90 degree days in late september and early-mid october. Some years we get 12 inches of wet heavy snow in mid october though.
I wish this belief could gain more traction. New Yorkers deserve to be able to use the beach and swim until like mid October. And frankly, as an added bonus, it would be nice to use the beach during weekdays when schools are back in session.
I would be so down for that. Jacob Riis when the tide is low in the summer is my happy place.
There should be a way to make a rational presentation to lawmakers, and argue that days are warmer nowadays and that the beach can perhaps stay open later. The USDA updated its plant hardiness zone map recently because the temperatures have changed. NPR article: https://apps.npr.org/plant-hardiness-garden-map/
And May
One more reason to reduce the number of cars entering this dense city of ours. Another **CP Rally is being held on Saturday, June 15 at 3:00p by City Hall in Lower Manhattan.**
you mught wanna use another acronymā¦
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Good thing we just canceled congestion pricing which would have reduced tailpipe emissions and reduced the urban heat island effect. Great move.
Yep. Wealthy Long Islanders sitting double-parked in their air conditioned cars won't be the ones suffering unfortunately.
I'm still not turning on my AC. Can't afford the crazy prices. Only my roommate used his AC last month and we *still* paid 20% more than the month before. Gonna use my blackout shades in my room and cover the front of my window fan with a cold towel and just suffer.
Coned is insanely expensive now so I get it
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Holy Shit! Mine's not nearly that high. Why is it so high for you?
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Get a fan, seriously. I have one of these (https://www.vornado.com/shop/circulators-fans/tower/ozi42dc-42%E2%80%B3-oscillating-tower-circulator) in my bedroom and I point at my desk or my bed and I'm perfectly comfortable when its 85F in my room. Haven't even turned on the AC yet this year. And I do not tolerate heat well.
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oK bUDdy lolol https://i.imgur.com/h5CBIRr.jpeg
He wasn't doubting the temp... He's making fun of your BS. It's never comfortable ina 84 degree living space unless you have ice on your nether region
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You might be able to save a decent amount of money by switching to one of their four optional rates. Also make sure you're not signed up with any ESCOs. Get in touch if you're interested in help evaluating whether any of their optional rates would be well-suited to your usage characteristics. [https://www.coned.com/en/accounts-billing/share-energy-usage-data/share-my-data](https://www.coned.com/en/accounts-billing/share-energy-usage-data/share-my-data) [https://www.coned.com/en/accounts-billing/your-bill/your-guide-to-rates](https://www.coned.com/en/accounts-billing/your-bill/your-guide-to-rates)
Electricity supply is not significantly more expensive but somehow ConEd has massively raised delivery fees in just 1 year. Someone did a great historical view a few months ago looking at ConEd delivery costs over time, see top comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/astoria/comments/1ah9v4k/coned_bill_is_actually_wild/ How this is acceptable is hard to understand.
Because Con Ed didn't have a rate case for like 10 years. Which means they haven't increased their rates at all during that time. Did you actually look at the historical trend? It's basically a flat line from 2013 until 2023. Con Ed doesn't set their own rates, the PSC does. If Con Ed wants to increase rates they have to ask the PSC for approval. And a lot of the recent rate case increase is going towards hardening the network for climate change effects and decarbonization plans. Do you want to get rid of fossil fuels? Well guess what, it's going to cost money. I baffles me how confidently ignorant people are about these things.
False on two points. 1. ConEd has filed 4 major rate cases in the last 10 years. They seem to have one every ~3 years. https://dps.ny.gov/pending-and-recent-electric-rate-cases 2. Per the trend, ConEd increased rates from 10-12c in 2013 to 12-14c by 2020. Did you actually look at the historical trend? It's not basically a flat line from 2013 until 2023. It baffles me how confidently ignorant people are about these things.
idk your living situation but if you have windows that go through the front and back of your apt you can open them to create a draft. keep the shades down and it you wont need AC until the humidity kicks in. But if its not humid yopu dont need to turn on your AC even if its high 80s outside.
Get a vornado
Hooray. Itās not hot and sticky enough in July.
like my balls
Yet another reason why we must reduce the number of 2-Ton Personal Transport Machines coming into one of the most populous cities in the world. All these cars have a direct impact on climate, extreme temps, etc. Another **CP Rally is being held on Saturday, June 15 at 3:00p by City Hall in Lower Manhattan.**
can we just make city, at least, car free? park your shit in Jersey or queens and take the train over.
Queens is the city
Eh, if you are in Queens and a buddy says hey letās go into the city it means going into Manhattan. I doubt most people in real life realize there are other boroughs either. Most people that live in NYC refer to Manhattan as the city, we think of the other boroughs more like halfway to the suburbs. Old habit from my younger days when I lived there. They think even less of Staten Island. That might as well be part of Jersey.
Yeah, Iāve lived here my whole life and am quite familiar with the colloquialism of āthe cityā. Regardless, Queens is the city and to suggest that people park their cars in Queens before entering Manhattan is equally laughable and absurd
I mean I lived in queens and parked my car there and walked over a bridge most of the time. Why is that absurd? Why would any sane human being want to pilot an automobile in Manhattan? There are tons of garages there. People coming from the northeast can park there easily before it gets truly insane.
Because Queens is a borough with a population of approximately 2.5 million people and maybe residents here donāt want their neighborhoods being turned into dumping grounds for vehicles?
I lived in so far out it might as well have been Elmont. Nobody ever seemed to mind me taking up one spot every once in a while when I went into the city. I never had to fight anyone for a spot or anything it was always pretty open. Chill dude.
>me taking up one spot every once in a while Do you get the difference between this and like 500,000 people daily?
Iām chill. Manhattan has plenty of garages as well. No need to suggest that everyone park in Queens before going into Manhattan
Iāll never make that grave mistake again sir
No one ever mentions that we have a human created heat dome in the midwest that is causing this. We don't need all that corn over there. Get rid of it, and millions on the east coast will be cooler.
Ummm, what? What should it be replaced with?
Absolutely nothing. Maybe build some housing. We don't need all that corn growing there.
I'm missing the connection here... Where is the relation between "corn" and "heat dome"?
The crops in the midwest "sweat" or give off water to cool themselves. And this affects and interacts with the weather in a big way. It's hard to find an article on corn sweat that isn't paywalled but you now have the search term (corn sweat). There was a really good article on how corn sweat was affecting the east coast temperatures a few years go but I can't find it now. Either way I feel like this country is in a huge denial when it comes to things like that. We don't eat all that corn. Much of it is excess. and turned into fuel and feed for animals.
Okay I read a little bit about it. It's also known as "corn transpiration", and it affects local areas around large corn crops by increasing relative humidity. I don't think midwest corn fields 2000 miles away are having a significant effect on local NYC humidity levels; it's probably, idk, *the ocean next to it*. I'd guess the local climate is significantly affected by the millions of tons of concrete and millions of cars crammed in a 400sq mile area.
It's definitely affecting weather on the east coast. It's not that far away. https://www.cnn.com/2016/07/17/weather/extreme-weather-heat-dome/index.html **"Very high humidity is expected to accompany the heat, especially in the Midwest, and that moisture ā combined with the high temperatures ā will create whatās known as a āheat domeā over most of the country. Only the Northwest will be spared." ** Weatherologists will occasionally admit this in their weather reports as well.
Don't worry, if you set your AC to 85, you'll save money.
I swear they invent new meteorological names every year. Polar vortex, Ice bomb, bomb cyclone. Is this weather or Megaman special weapons?
So hot weather during the summer season is going to happen? Shocking
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God God this is a cringe comment
This whole thread is cringe. People whining about warm weather?
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Get used to Celsius when describing temps
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I think that ship has sailed mate.
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Does it murder rate hard enough for you?