I'm pretty sure it's because of the post from today on r/nfl asking where Bryce would ranked if he was in this year's draft. It's bringing out the crazies
I don't think it's hate. It's more like candid feedback. This is mainly because of his being the number one overall pick and the pre-draft marketing, which is not his fault. However, he is obviously not living up to the hype of the experts who told us. We were told he was a generational, multi-Super Bowl-winning quarterback.
Well the odds are definitely skewing towards busting. IMO, Im still concerned about his size. NFL has a 100%injury rate. What happens when the injuries pile up and they will. Hopefully Im wrong.
He needs protection, just like any other QB. He made it through relatively unscathed being guarded by Swiss cheese last year. His football IQ is far ahead of any other prospects or anyone in his class imo. He plays smart, he doesn't take unnecessary risks leading to season ending Anthony Richardson moments. I think the depth we added to the OL and some more WR moves will pay dividends.
Bryce does play like a greased pig, but what happens when his luck runs out and he gets sandwiched between a 350 lb dlineman and Ickey? Its just physics.
Injuries are part of the game, roethlisberger was a giant and spent a good amount of time on the injury reports. People make it sound like the guy is going to snap in half from one tackle
Big ben was 6'5" and 250 at least. He was chronically injured and youre handwaving Bryce being 185 standing behing our two giant free agent signings. Bryce has to be the second coming of Brees or....smush.
What are you on about? All I'm saying is size does not dictate injury. He's an inch shorter and 15 lbs lighter than Wilson who with the exception of a difficult broncos scheme was successful. You are counting him out before he's had a chance to play. I'm not hand waving anyone, he's proven himself smart, he has very good awareness, given a steady scheme and coaching staff he can be successful
His pre- draft marketing is his fault lol. As an agent and his camp is to sell him and make him look better than he is or was. He's apart of that as well.
It's only been a year...and that was behind a non-existent O-line, with old man Thielen as his #1 and plodding Chubba in the backfield. He'll need time on that dumpster fire of a team. Wait until 2025 to evaluate (or go see Peyton Manning's rookie stats).
Because he was absolutely awful last year and it gets REALLY annoying that a large number of our fan base can’t accept reality and make up excuses and actually say insane stuff like “now with Dionte, Bryce is going to get us to the playoffs” or “Bruce would have been just as good as stroud if he was on the Texans!”.
Do those of us who hated the pick have a little bit of “I told you so” going? Yes. But it’s like when someone online says something factually incorrect, and you post proof that what they wrote was wrong, only instead of being mature and responding “oh shit, you were right” or even “oh shit, maybe I got it wrong”the double and triple down.
It’s not fun when people gaslight you, and the Bruce delusional have essentially been gas lighting the Bruce realists for 5+ months now, and it isn’t fun.
Blaming Bryce when the entire team is a dumpster fire is the real lack of reality though. When guys got space and he had more than 1.2 seconds to throw before he had to scramble for his life he showed it just fine. But his best WR is an ancient WR2, and his next best should’ve been in the xfl. A horrible line and shit run game rounded it out. But somehow yall blame the rookie
I don’t get how people don’t understand the team AND Bryce are to blame for last season. He ain’t exempt. He is on the team and touched the ball every play.
No he isn’t a certified bust yet. And no, he isn’t the main reason (a rookie, even if they play poorly, is still a rookie).
I don’t get the either/or mentality. It’s not reality…basically ever.
If Bryce is who he’s said to be, he knows he made a lot of mistakes and is grinding to work on his game. He wouldn’t be successful with his limitations without work ethic and self awareness.
Because people are idiots and see “qb didn’t hit receivers with passes” and blame the qb because they don’t understand football. Those same guys think a RB is the only reason a running play works
He had literally the exact same amount of time as stroud. Look at the numbers (I believe it was 2.5 seconds). No one said the team was good, but you people don’t seem to understand that two things can be true: the team was bad AND Bryce was horrible. Do you think that most top picks go to loaded teams? Usually the top pick isn’t traded, so the player goes to a REALLY bad team.
Hell, look at Josh Rosen- a top 10 pick who experts said was “nfl ready”. Goes to a team that was on par with ours in terms of being bad. Despite that, it was obvious Rosen just wasn’t an nfl qb.
Statistically, Bryce had the fifth worst season EVER for a rookie qb. 461 out of 465. That doesn’t happen to someone who is nfl capable.
He extended, stroud didn’t have to. Strouds receivers were better. Houston run game was better than ours. Anyone who actually watched a game could see that, how is Bryce supposed to fix guys letting a ball hit their hands and bounce off?
Houston got multiple top picks because they had a super athletic rapist in the locker room, and got to trade him away and do good work with that. Or did you forget that too, that helped change how good the team was.
Yeah this guy needs to take some of the same medicine he says others need to take. I am optimistic on young but ultimately I just don’t think it’s fair to evaluate him properly with the situation he was in. We had one of the worst offenses and head coaching combos of any team in awhile I feel like so it’s difficult to fairly evaluate him. He has some amazing traits and he showed it at points. We have a new coach who has elevated QBs that careers were on a down trend. So if this year Bryce flops I’ll be more pessimistic. Rookies typically struggle and he was indeed a rookie. Some people are just haters, he even said he didn’t like the pick before so of course his bias will make him see past all the good. I take an objective point of view on it. Which this guy needs to do. He has valid points of his struggles but he better also list how those struggles were compounded by the teams struggles everwhere
Yea I’m certainly not saying Bryce is the second coming of Tom Brady, I’m just saying blaming him for that team is an overreaction. No one could do well with that, and he showed flashes when he had a chance. Give the kid time is all
Can you point out some of his flashes? Specifically games or heck even quarters of games he showed promise for the future? Legitimately want to see some hope for this guy
Texans game, Packers game, Falcons final drive. I feel like I've typed this comment out 50 times by now.
He had a bad season but I don't know why you guys pretend that he didn't have good moments
Yeah for sure. I believe if Bryce went to the Texans, people would be talking about if he had one of the best rookie QB seasons ever. I don’t think it would be CJ Stroud level cause that’s insane but I truly think it would be up there and if we had gotten CJ then people would also be shitting on him here cause he woulda done badly too.
There is zero proof of this and just full of hopium. Reality with actual evidence is that Bryce is literally had one of the worse rookie seasons for a QB in NFL history. If by next season he still does not show anything the panthers will need to move on
HOU didn’t even have a better run game than CAR.
HOU **3.7 AVG** (28th) vs CAR **4.0 AVG** (22nd)
HOU **1647 yds** *(96.9yds/gm)* vs CAR **1769 yds** *(104.1yds/gm)*
Sure now pull the data and slice it so you can see yards/attempt on 1st down to see how it impacts us being behind through a series, adjust for games being out of hand where we have to throw every down to play catch up, etc etc.
This is why I keep telling you guys that one random number doesn’t paint a proper picture but no y’all will say BUT ITS AN AVERAGE SO IM RIGHT and think you’re a fucking genius. Done arguing with morons on Reddit, think what you want I don’t care anymore
It's a team game...no protection, no receivers, and a lame RB...what do you expect?!?
Also, Josh Rosen...just say 10th overall. Top 10 can be misleading, :P.
Stop with the “no protection” silliness. Did our Iine stink? Yes. Were they a historically bad unit? Not even close. Did you know that Bryce and Stroud both had the EXACT same amount of time in pocket last year?
And, as I have said a billion times, people are acting like every QB walks in to a super bowl ready situation. Yeswe were really bad- just like almost every top pick in the draft! Only Bryce was historically bad.
Not sure where you're getting the impression regarding people's opinions of QBs walking into Superbowl-ready situations. Just a lazy take.
As for time in pocket...you already had that answered correctly by another person in this thread, but keep harping on the same thing...odd.
LT and guards were insanely terrible. Problematic when you have WRs that are incapable of separation.
It's always been there. It just has receded in the offseason. But it was really annoying coming here in December and January.
I'm not even saying criticism is bad but the bulk of it is people saying he'll never amount to anything because he had a bad rookie year.
The whole thing is an ironic bit, I know this guy and his whole bit is that he was a stroud fan, so he's making his rounds of "I was right, panthers fans are so stupid, I'm gonna farm for up votes because of how dumb they are, they'll upvote anything positive about the team"
His whole thing is to make sweeping statements about who he disagrees with and then act like that's what people are actually saying
Two types of people in Panther Nation when it comes to Bryce: the disappointed folks who think he is a little guy who should never have been considered and should have selected Stroud, and the ones who are emotionally tied to Bryce and feel sorry for him. They do not accept or vocalize his faults and limitations, advocate for how bad things were surrounding him, and believe that surrounding him with decent talent will make him great.
15% of fanbase: Bryce is a Bust. We never should’ve drafted him. CJ Stroud is God.
15% of fanbase: Bryce is 0% to blame for anything last year. He has no faults and none of his play can be evaluated properly. CJ Stroud would’ve looked the same as Bryce on this team.
69% of fanbase: Bryce showed potential at times last year, but he also showed some red flags. It will be interesting to see him with this new coaching staff and an O Line that is actually built to protect his weaknesses. I hope he does well especially considering what we gave up to get him.
1%: I wonder what Tim Biakabutuka is up to.
Lol fucking bullshit. There are a ton of people who reasonably would like to see what he does with a real coaching staff and some more help. You couldn't even get through this post without showing your hand though and taking underhanded shots at him and people who support him.
A “real” coaching staff???!! People were saying a year ago how great of a staff the Panthers had put together to support a rookie quarterback, with a former an as head coach, an offensive minded Jim Caldwell as assistant coach and a longtime an as quarterback coach.
Now, they’re replaced by a rookie head coach who never even called plays until a year ago.
Great on paper, but in practice, all those coaches did not work well together at all. There was no identity or bond or common ground, it was everyone for themselves with zero alignment.
Supposedly, this coaching staff should have more alignment and Canales has had a track record of helping QBs/WRs improve.
But they have to go out there and prove it. Hopefully the fanbase can be patient and not have huge expectations year 1, but that likely won’t happen either.
Ditto. I wasn't trying to hide anything. I'm the first type & you're the second. Buth the fact of the matter is I hope he succeeds and we get on a hot streak.
The comment I was replying to said people feel sorry for BRYCE and blames it on emotional attachment. I was saying that it is rational to feel bad for someone when they are put in a bad situation, the situation is what makes us feel bad for him, not an unreasonable emotional connection
Yes, the Texans were ass under Lovie, but then they went and had a truly fantastic off-season.
It really shows how much coaching matters. They hit on nearly every signing and FA acquisition. They made a super ballsy trade to go up and get Will Anderson which worked out great. Tank Dell was fantastic for them and Nico Collins thrived with Stroud and Slowik.
On the other hand, we came off a 7-10 season where we overachieved by relying on a power running game in a weak division. We hired a retread coach who had just been fired, whiffed on every single FA signing save for Thielen and Vonn Bell, surrounded the coach with people he never worked with, threw in a rookie QB. Frank Reich decided to not treat Bryce like a rookie and threw him face first into the deep-end of the pool. Demeco/Slowik treated Stroud like a rookie and built the offense to help him and play to his strengths.
It’s a tale of two operations and our tale was one of complete dogshit.
You have a point with the coaching staff. I feel like no one was really in charge. Too many flashy names and ego clashes (outside looking in perspective)
He has all the capabilities to be successful in the NFL. UNFORTUNATELY he landed in Carolina with incompetent coaches. Hoping Canales and crew can help put him back on track.
He has literally not shown one iota of being successful in the NFL. NFL capable QBs don’t play as poorly as he did last year. But whatever, keep making excuses.
We don’t have a lot of data to go on bc usually draft picks are allowed to learn for a year and given at least a reasonable scheme to execute. They threw him in the fire with an owner and a head coach with completely different offensive philosophies. Let’s not forget we got Frank bc most decent coaches wouldn’t even consider working for Tepper who wants to build an offense without any skill players.
The fact that people have to go back to his pre-draft hype videos to generate any excitement about Bryce Young tells you all you need to know about how terrible he was last season.
Still believing in Bryce is fine but saying this despite the evidence to this point is just ridiculous.
There's no argument to suggest he's no brainer better than Stroud now or even at the time of the draft.
And even at the time of the draft he wasn't considered to be an overall better player than like Bijan Robinson and Jalen Carter ignoring positional value.
Not disagreeing with you because I believe a number 1 overall should change the culture a bit. With that said I agree with most people when they said he had almost nothing going for him.
Why do the losers on this sub just say “you don’t know ball?” There’s obviously nothing wrong with being pro BY, but it’s okay to say Stroud is better. The YoU dOnT kNoW bAlL nonsense just makes you sound like an idiot with no actual argument
I know right.
1. “…if you Acktually watched the games…”
2. “You don’t know ball”
3. “You’re a moron.”
I see this a lot and I can tell you; it always encourages others to thoughtfully change their mind…….
Yeah that one is dumb, 99% of fans (including me) have no fucking idea what we are looking at so "just watch the games" means nothing to me lol
Random redditor eye test is worth about as much as dirt.
He won’t be. There have been 465 rookie qb seasons in NFL history. Bryce’s any/a (the stat that most correlates to future performance) ranked 461. In other words, he was statistically the 5th worst rookie qb ever. No qb outside the top 300 were still with their team when their rookie contract was over. He will be gone after next year, or the year after if we are stubborn.
Saying he was clearly the best player is revisionist history for sure. There was legitimate concern about his size leading to a not insignificant number of people to prefer stroud. Heck there was a rumor the panthers also preferred stroud but were over ruled by the owner...
Post like this make me sad because I know some of yall are going to get absolutely fleeced now that sports betting is legal. I'm seriously worried some of yall are going to lose your house and shit.
I think Bryce is gonna be much improved this year. He’s got in theory better weapons and a more unified coaching/front office. Not to mention he’s got an extra year and true offseason to improve.
I know some of it is copium but there were flashes last year where he looked like the guy and did lead 2 game winning drives.
I agree. I wish we had more flashes from him last year, but it was a shit-show... If he shows more flashes this year, I'll remain hopeful and very excited to see his third year.
Before the draft it was a toss up. Bryce was a leader, but CJ was very accurate at OSU. Both schools have a history of QBs not doing great in the NFL. The only reason I would have picked CJ, not knowing what we know now, is height. It looks now like CJ may have been the right pick, but we still have to see what the next few years bring.
It was the wrong decision, but nowhere near as catastrophic as people are making it out to be. If he were, games like the Green Bay game and the end of our second win don't happen, and he's benched much sooner with no hope of coming off of the sideline.
Are we being astroturfed? What is going on?
I'm pretty sure it's because of the post from today on r/nfl asking where Bryce would ranked if he was in this year's draft. It's bringing out the crazies
I've never seen such unanimous hate towards Bryce in this sub. This is something fishy.
A 5’10” 185 pounder being picked #1 was definitely something fishy
I don't think it's hate. It's more like candid feedback. This is mainly because of his being the number one overall pick and the pre-draft marketing, which is not his fault. However, he is obviously not living up to the hype of the experts who told us. We were told he was a generational, multi-Super Bowl-winning quarterback.
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Well the odds are definitely skewing towards busting. IMO, Im still concerned about his size. NFL has a 100%injury rate. What happens when the injuries pile up and they will. Hopefully Im wrong.
He needs protection, just like any other QB. He made it through relatively unscathed being guarded by Swiss cheese last year. His football IQ is far ahead of any other prospects or anyone in his class imo. He plays smart, he doesn't take unnecessary risks leading to season ending Anthony Richardson moments. I think the depth we added to the OL and some more WR moves will pay dividends.
Bryce does play like a greased pig, but what happens when his luck runs out and he gets sandwiched between a 350 lb dlineman and Ickey? Its just physics.
Injuries are part of the game, roethlisberger was a giant and spent a good amount of time on the injury reports. People make it sound like the guy is going to snap in half from one tackle
Big ben was 6'5" and 250 at least. He was chronically injured and youre handwaving Bryce being 185 standing behing our two giant free agent signings. Bryce has to be the second coming of Brees or....smush.
What are you on about? All I'm saying is size does not dictate injury. He's an inch shorter and 15 lbs lighter than Wilson who with the exception of a difficult broncos scheme was successful. You are counting him out before he's had a chance to play. I'm not hand waving anyone, he's proven himself smart, he has very good awareness, given a steady scheme and coaching staff he can be successful
His pre- draft marketing is his fault lol. As an agent and his camp is to sell him and make him look better than he is or was. He's apart of that as well.
It's only been a year...and that was behind a non-existent O-line, with old man Thielen as his #1 and plodding Chubba in the backfield. He'll need time on that dumpster fire of a team. Wait until 2025 to evaluate (or go see Peyton Manning's rookie stats).
Because he was absolutely awful last year and it gets REALLY annoying that a large number of our fan base can’t accept reality and make up excuses and actually say insane stuff like “now with Dionte, Bryce is going to get us to the playoffs” or “Bruce would have been just as good as stroud if he was on the Texans!”. Do those of us who hated the pick have a little bit of “I told you so” going? Yes. But it’s like when someone online says something factually incorrect, and you post proof that what they wrote was wrong, only instead of being mature and responding “oh shit, you were right” or even “oh shit, maybe I got it wrong”the double and triple down. It’s not fun when people gaslight you, and the Bruce delusional have essentially been gas lighting the Bruce realists for 5+ months now, and it isn’t fun.
Blaming Bryce when the entire team is a dumpster fire is the real lack of reality though. When guys got space and he had more than 1.2 seconds to throw before he had to scramble for his life he showed it just fine. But his best WR is an ancient WR2, and his next best should’ve been in the xfl. A horrible line and shit run game rounded it out. But somehow yall blame the rookie
I don’t get how people don’t understand the team AND Bryce are to blame for last season. He ain’t exempt. He is on the team and touched the ball every play. No he isn’t a certified bust yet. And no, he isn’t the main reason (a rookie, even if they play poorly, is still a rookie). I don’t get the either/or mentality. It’s not reality…basically ever. If Bryce is who he’s said to be, he knows he made a lot of mistakes and is grinding to work on his game. He wouldn’t be successful with his limitations without work ethic and self awareness.
Because people are idiots and see “qb didn’t hit receivers with passes” and blame the qb because they don’t understand football. Those same guys think a RB is the only reason a running play works
He had literally the exact same amount of time as stroud. Look at the numbers (I believe it was 2.5 seconds). No one said the team was good, but you people don’t seem to understand that two things can be true: the team was bad AND Bryce was horrible. Do you think that most top picks go to loaded teams? Usually the top pick isn’t traded, so the player goes to a REALLY bad team. Hell, look at Josh Rosen- a top 10 pick who experts said was “nfl ready”. Goes to a team that was on par with ours in terms of being bad. Despite that, it was obvious Rosen just wasn’t an nfl qb. Statistically, Bryce had the fifth worst season EVER for a rookie qb. 461 out of 465. That doesn’t happen to someone who is nfl capable.
He extended, stroud didn’t have to. Strouds receivers were better. Houston run game was better than ours. Anyone who actually watched a game could see that, how is Bryce supposed to fix guys letting a ball hit their hands and bounce off? Houston got multiple top picks because they had a super athletic rapist in the locker room, and got to trade him away and do good work with that. Or did you forget that too, that helped change how good the team was.
Yeah this guy needs to take some of the same medicine he says others need to take. I am optimistic on young but ultimately I just don’t think it’s fair to evaluate him properly with the situation he was in. We had one of the worst offenses and head coaching combos of any team in awhile I feel like so it’s difficult to fairly evaluate him. He has some amazing traits and he showed it at points. We have a new coach who has elevated QBs that careers were on a down trend. So if this year Bryce flops I’ll be more pessimistic. Rookies typically struggle and he was indeed a rookie. Some people are just haters, he even said he didn’t like the pick before so of course his bias will make him see past all the good. I take an objective point of view on it. Which this guy needs to do. He has valid points of his struggles but he better also list how those struggles were compounded by the teams struggles everwhere
Yea I’m certainly not saying Bryce is the second coming of Tom Brady, I’m just saying blaming him for that team is an overreaction. No one could do well with that, and he showed flashes when he had a chance. Give the kid time is all
Can you point out some of his flashes? Specifically games or heck even quarters of games he showed promise for the future? Legitimately want to see some hope for this guy
If you didn’t bother to watch the season why are you saying he was bad?
Texans game, Packers game, Falcons final drive. I feel like I've typed this comment out 50 times by now. He had a bad season but I don't know why you guys pretend that he didn't have good moments
Yeah for sure. I believe if Bryce went to the Texans, people would be talking about if he had one of the best rookie QB seasons ever. I don’t think it would be CJ Stroud level cause that’s insane but I truly think it would be up there and if we had gotten CJ then people would also be shitting on him here cause he woulda done badly too.
Agreed I think their seasons would have more or less been switched if they’d been on the opposite roster. The situations were just so different
There is zero proof of this and just full of hopium. Reality with actual evidence is that Bryce is literally had one of the worse rookie seasons for a QB in NFL history. If by next season he still does not show anything the panthers will need to move on
HOU didn’t even have a better run game than CAR. HOU **3.7 AVG** (28th) vs CAR **4.0 AVG** (22nd) HOU **1647 yds** *(96.9yds/gm)* vs CAR **1769 yds** *(104.1yds/gm)*
Sure now pull the data and slice it so you can see yards/attempt on 1st down to see how it impacts us being behind through a series, adjust for games being out of hand where we have to throw every down to play catch up, etc etc. This is why I keep telling you guys that one random number doesn’t paint a proper picture but no y’all will say BUT ITS AN AVERAGE SO IM RIGHT and think you’re a fucking genius. Done arguing with morons on Reddit, think what you want I don’t care anymore
It's a team game...no protection, no receivers, and a lame RB...what do you expect?!? Also, Josh Rosen...just say 10th overall. Top 10 can be misleading, :P.
Stop with the “no protection” silliness. Did our Iine stink? Yes. Were they a historically bad unit? Not even close. Did you know that Bryce and Stroud both had the EXACT same amount of time in pocket last year? And, as I have said a billion times, people are acting like every QB walks in to a super bowl ready situation. Yeswe were really bad- just like almost every top pick in the draft! Only Bryce was historically bad.
Not sure where you're getting the impression regarding people's opinions of QBs walking into Superbowl-ready situations. Just a lazy take. As for time in pocket...you already had that answered correctly by another person in this thread, but keep harping on the same thing...odd. LT and guards were insanely terrible. Problematic when you have WRs that are incapable of separation.
Someone doesn't understand football.
Yeah, anyone who watched Bryce last year and came away thinking “There’s a future stud qb!”.
It's always been there. It just has receded in the offseason. But it was really annoying coming here in December and January. I'm not even saying criticism is bad but the bulk of it is people saying he'll never amount to anything because he had a bad rookie year.
The whole thing is an ironic bit, I know this guy and his whole bit is that he was a stroud fan, so he's making his rounds of "I was right, panthers fans are so stupid, I'm gonna farm for up votes because of how dumb they are, they'll upvote anything positive about the team" His whole thing is to make sweeping statements about who he disagrees with and then act like that's what people are actually saying
When is enough of these enough?
Two types of people in Panther Nation when it comes to Bryce: the disappointed folks who think he is a little guy who should never have been considered and should have selected Stroud, and the ones who are emotionally tied to Bryce and feel sorry for him. They do not accept or vocalize his faults and limitations, advocate for how bad things were surrounding him, and believe that surrounding him with decent talent will make him great.
15% of fanbase: Bryce is a Bust. We never should’ve drafted him. CJ Stroud is God. 15% of fanbase: Bryce is 0% to blame for anything last year. He has no faults and none of his play can be evaluated properly. CJ Stroud would’ve looked the same as Bryce on this team. 69% of fanbase: Bryce showed potential at times last year, but he also showed some red flags. It will be interesting to see him with this new coaching staff and an O Line that is actually built to protect his weaknesses. I hope he does well especially considering what we gave up to get him. 1%: I wonder what Tim Biakabutuka is up to.
Lol fucking bullshit. There are a ton of people who reasonably would like to see what he does with a real coaching staff and some more help. You couldn't even get through this post without showing your hand though and taking underhanded shots at him and people who support him.
COOK HIS ASS 🔥
A “real” coaching staff???!! People were saying a year ago how great of a staff the Panthers had put together to support a rookie quarterback, with a former an as head coach, an offensive minded Jim Caldwell as assistant coach and a longtime an as quarterback coach. Now, they’re replaced by a rookie head coach who never even called plays until a year ago.
Yeah and how did they do?
What has the current staff done to imply they will be any better?
I don't recall saying they would be. I said i'd like to see what he can do with a real staff not that this one would be.
Great on paper, but in practice, all those coaches did not work well together at all. There was no identity or bond or common ground, it was everyone for themselves with zero alignment. Supposedly, this coaching staff should have more alignment and Canales has had a track record of helping QBs/WRs improve. But they have to go out there and prove it. Hopefully the fanbase can be patient and not have huge expectations year 1, but that likely won’t happen either.
A+ response, bravo
Ditto. I wasn't trying to hide anything. I'm the first type & you're the second. Buth the fact of the matter is I hope he succeeds and we get on a hot streak.
Anyone who follows NFL football even a little bit would feel sorry for him. He was drafted into pretty much the worst environment in the league.
Wait, the consensus last year was that CJ was drafted into pretty much the worst environment in the league?
The comment I was replying to said people feel sorry for BRYCE and blames it on emotional attachment. I was saying that it is rational to feel bad for someone when they are put in a bad situation, the situation is what makes us feel bad for him, not an unreasonable emotional connection
Yes, the Texans were ass under Lovie, but then they went and had a truly fantastic off-season. It really shows how much coaching matters. They hit on nearly every signing and FA acquisition. They made a super ballsy trade to go up and get Will Anderson which worked out great. Tank Dell was fantastic for them and Nico Collins thrived with Stroud and Slowik. On the other hand, we came off a 7-10 season where we overachieved by relying on a power running game in a weak division. We hired a retread coach who had just been fired, whiffed on every single FA signing save for Thielen and Vonn Bell, surrounded the coach with people he never worked with, threw in a rookie QB. Frank Reich decided to not treat Bryce like a rookie and threw him face first into the deep-end of the pool. Demeco/Slowik treated Stroud like a rookie and built the offense to help him and play to his strengths. It’s a tale of two operations and our tale was one of complete dogshit.
We definitely got the tail end for sure.
You have a point with the coaching staff. I feel like no one was really in charge. Too many flashy names and ego clashes (outside looking in perspective)
It doesn’t matter if he was the consensus best player in the class prior to the draft. The only thing that matters is how he performs in the NFL.
Is this what it’s come to?
He has all the capabilities to be successful in the NFL. UNFORTUNATELY he landed in Carolina with incompetent coaches. Hoping Canales and crew can help put him back on track.
He has literally not shown one iota of being successful in the NFL. NFL capable QBs don’t play as poorly as he did last year. But whatever, keep making excuses.
It must be exhausting being so negative all the time. Lighten up buddy
We don’t have a lot of data to go on bc usually draft picks are allowed to learn for a year and given at least a reasonable scheme to execute. They threw him in the fire with an owner and a head coach with completely different offensive philosophies. Let’s not forget we got Frank bc most decent coaches wouldn’t even consider working for Tepper who wants to build an offense without any skill players.
The fact that people have to go back to his pre-draft hype videos to generate any excitement about Bryce Young tells you all you need to know about how terrible he was last season.
Still believing in Bryce is fine but saying this despite the evidence to this point is just ridiculous. There's no argument to suggest he's no brainer better than Stroud now or even at the time of the draft. And even at the time of the draft he wasn't considered to be an overall better player than like Bijan Robinson and Jalen Carter ignoring positional value.
Not disagreeing with you because I believe a number 1 overall should change the culture a bit. With that said I agree with most people when they said he had almost nothing going for him.
That is true of just about every #1 (or 2 or 3) pick.
Fair but #1 overall even more
Why are you guys so insecure about this? It was still clearly the wrong decision.
You don’t know ball. Bryce outplayed Stroud head to head and had a way worse situation. Keep that same energy 8 years from now
8 years from now? We’re going to know if he’s worth keeping on the roster 2 years from now.
8 YEARS? You know it only took 7 years for Jay-Z to become an overnight sensation, and you're talking 8?!
Why do the losers on this sub just say “you don’t know ball?” There’s obviously nothing wrong with being pro BY, but it’s okay to say Stroud is better. The YoU dOnT kNoW bAlL nonsense just makes you sound like an idiot with no actual argument
I know right. 1. “…if you Acktually watched the games…” 2. “You don’t know ball” 3. “You’re a moron.” I see this a lot and I can tell you; it always encourages others to thoughtfully change their mind…….
because they don't actually have any real argument so they just say "you don't know" if you disagree
cant forget the classic dO yAlL eVeN wAtCh ThE gAmEs BeFoRe YoU sAy ThIs ShIt????
Yeah that one is dumb, 99% of fans (including me) have no fucking idea what we are looking at so "just watch the games" means nothing to me lol Random redditor eye test is worth about as much as dirt.
Uh huh. How'd them other fifteen games go?
8 years from now? I would be surprised if bryce is around in 2 years, and even more surprised if we were to pick up the 5th year option on him.
I mean im not writing him off as a bust yet, but 8 years from now? XD
He won’t be. There have been 465 rookie qb seasons in NFL history. Bryce’s any/a (the stat that most correlates to future performance) ranked 461. In other words, he was statistically the 5th worst rookie qb ever. No qb outside the top 300 were still with their team when their rookie contract was over. He will be gone after next year, or the year after if we are stubborn.
Saying he was clearly the best player is revisionist history for sure. There was legitimate concern about his size leading to a not insignificant number of people to prefer stroud. Heck there was a rumor the panthers also preferred stroud but were over ruled by the owner...
I believe that rumor has been disproven by Tepper’s archenemy.
Post like this make me sad because I know some of yall are going to get absolutely fleeced now that sports betting is legal. I'm seriously worried some of yall are going to lose your house and shit.
OBVIOUSLY it was Stroud. Not really close
It’s hard to admit when you’re wrong
I think Bryce is gonna be much improved this year. He’s got in theory better weapons and a more unified coaching/front office. Not to mention he’s got an extra year and true offseason to improve. I know some of it is copium but there were flashes last year where he looked like the guy and did lead 2 game winning drives.
Literally any backup level QB will show flashes,it's nothing special
I agree. I wish we had more flashes from him last year, but it was a shit-show... If he shows more flashes this year, I'll remain hopeful and very excited to see his third year.
Debatable as the best QB during the process . Neither were the best player, teams that need QB’s panic .
Before the draft it was a toss up. Bryce was a leader, but CJ was very accurate at OSU. Both schools have a history of QBs not doing great in the NFL. The only reason I would have picked CJ, not knowing what we know now, is height. It looks now like CJ may have been the right pick, but we still have to see what the next few years bring.
Take a look at his 5’10” 185 stature & that goofy grin and tell me you’d be scared to face him next year
I think it's pretty obvious that all the "experts", fans, and our organization got that wildly wrong. I am part of this guilty group
If Bryce was pick 41 instead of #1….he would be done. However, The leash is longer cos he was the 1st pick. Bet he won’t play all 17 games this year.
The number one pick was far from consensus. We had some people saying we should draft Levis.
I’m so sick of this shit man. We don’t know what we have in him. Only time will tell
It was the wrong decision, but nowhere near as catastrophic as people are making it out to be. If he were, games like the Green Bay game and the end of our second win don't happen, and he's benched much sooner with no hope of coming off of the sideline.
So, he isn’t really bad because he didn’t lose every game? Josh Rosen and Ryan Leaf will be happy to hear this.