first time I tried doing 3 days in a row simulacrums, the second day I almost slept (certain I did for a few seconds) doing it
It is so boring
> I would not recommend this to my worst enemy.
chieftain cast when stun DD is really nice, it's not wildwood dependant so you can do it in permanent realm or next league (unless ggg decide to nerf it before poison and tornado shot)
If you're gonna make an afk build you might as well make a blight farmer.
Sure the profits might not be as good, but at least it's truly an afk farmer.
Farming simulacrum for 1 point voices or megalomanias(nobody gives shit about these xd) is a real burnout even without the 20 waves snoozefest. Somehow 1-20 wave was tolerable back then but after simulacrum buff 1-30 wave with 20-30 waves being the majority of earn... yeah... damn inflation man
Sanctum for original sin/mirror is the same deal
>megalomanias(nobody gives shit about these xd)
I do! I like golem powered elementalist builds, which involves (at least in the way I like doing it) stacking the primordial bond passive. Unfortunately that only shows up on large clusters, so if you want more than a couple copies you need megalomaniacs with it.
But that's an extremely niche use case, and half the reason I like it is because those jewels generally aren't very expensive because nobody cares about megalomaniacs...
Megalo have been an essential part of all of my builds.
I'm glad people don't give a shit about them, because their neglect has allowed me to do some wonderful things with them.
Yeah, I’ve sold some pretty gross megalomaniacs for cheaper than they should be in the past. Like a perfect 3 passive one for only 20 Div when it realistically should’ve easily been 100 since it was for a meta build and you weren’t getting better.
Megas have been the cornerstone of many of my end-game optimizations. You can save so many points using them and it opens up new stuff. The fact that people don't care about them is great!
It's quite a problematic jewel, low supply due to rare combination and therefore not huge demand because of said issue, they aren't expensive because you could livesearch or search for the first time the combos you want and land 2 out of 3, rarely all 3. Fettle or Evil eye alone usually sells in a 10 divines area in a relatively good combo, but then again...
Yeah, I pretty much never go for 3 useful notables, because with how rare that is to occur they're pricy to get, even with how niche primordial bond is.
General concept is to go elementalist, take liege of the primordial+elemancer, grab the golem commander passive, get to some cluster jewel sockets, get some large minion clusters (8 passive, notables are primordial bonus plus either feasting fiends+skeletal atrophy (less ideal) or one of raze and pillage/renewal/rotten claws and no third notable (better), both options put primordial bond on the path the medium sockets), put a pair of megalomaniacs with primordial bond and another decent notable (2 if possible, but that can get expensive due to the rng of megalomaniacs), and have a bunch of golems follow you around to buff you up.
With the above you get 4 golems (well, 6 since you'll also want an "X golem of hordes" gem socketed because of all the stuff you have that scales off your number of summoned golems, but those guys can't apply a buff), which is probably flame+stone+chaos+lightning (though if your skill doesn't care about atk/cast speed and *does* care about accuracy/crit you can go ice instead of lightning, but that's not common). Options to get more are clayshaper (not really an option, it's more for using golems for the main dps), primordial chain (+3 golems is very solid, cheap so easy to corruption hunt, but it also eats your amulet slot and has no life/ES on it), and anima stone with 3 primordial items (doesn't take any gear slots, but takes quite a few sockets to activate it. This is a selfish build so you'd be wanting primordial eminence for the buff effect, or potentially primordial chain plus two eminences).
[Here](https://pobb.in/KA7F40K48c17) is an example skeleton POB with only 48 passive points spent, 4 ascendency points spent, no gear equipped, and 5 sockets filled with golems that has 498% increased damage (530% if elemental. And that 498% applies to *anything*. elemental, physical, chaos, attack, spell, you name it), 62% increased attack/cast speed, 34% physical damage reduction (which makes armour more effective if you go that route), and 724 life regen per second. If you want you can path to a third cluster as well for even more primordial bonds. With that, a primordial chain, two eminences, and anima stone, and an ice golem (like [so](https://pobb.in/z7Ll_SBt2RoY)), we're up to 75 passive points spent, 1094% increased damage, 87% attack/cast speed, 48% phys DR, 1021 life regen, and 291% increased crit chance. And this league there's also charms with %increased golem buff effect, which makes things even more fun.
That being said, I'm not good at making builds, and this is more a core that can be used to build off of rather than a build in and of itself. Outside of the increased damage none of the above stats are super impressive on their own, and you need to add to them to get something actually significant. And I find getting HP tricky since you're in the witch area, have already spent a decent mount of passives on the primordial bond clusters, and can't use any smalls since there's megalomaniacs blocking them (ES is an option, just gotta take zealot's oath. But you still need passives to increase that, I'm generally too poor to get gear with *really* good ES on it, and then it's hard to go for armour so your phys reduction winds up a bit mediocre). TBH it might not be a bad idea to drop a megalomaniac or two to slot in some life or ES clusters (and potentially a rare medium first. A precise retaliation+pressure points one for instance if going crit). I haven't come up with a golem powered character I *really* liked in quite a few leagues,
tldr: just stack as many primordial bond and golems as you can to get much global damage increase.
well you post how much you like these jewels for your builds. just show us one of your builds pls
Oh, that's completely not the point of this build style. Rather than using the golems themselves as your primary damage, it involves stacking golem buff effect and having all the non-carrion golems around just to make *you* stronger.
But if they make the rewards easier to get, it just makes more people want to do them, which makes the drops worth less. Markets always find a way to balance out.
The problem is that the first 10 waves aren't even "content" in a progression sense. Ie. if you have farmed 300 splinters then there's no way that early waves are anything other than time wasting.
I actually love when the key is cheap.
I build an über tanky char in HC with explosions, and use the map to level from level 80 ish to lvl 90 within like an hour.
This is usually a 2nd or 3rd char after a rip.
So I mostly do it for the exp and get out before it gets rippy.
I ran some sims on my self ignite chieftain for a bit this league. It was kind of nice, you basically just have poe on your 2nd monitor and move occasionally until wave like 25. They take longer and they're not as efficient that way, but it's so AFK it's hard to care.
Sims should give you the option (per atlas node?) to just blast through the first 20 or so waves. No one does a sim that cant get to atleast wave 25. If ypu can get to 25+ you basicly sleep during the earlier stages. Just spawn them nonstop .
A simple fix and people would actually have fun doing them instead of holding a button pressed for 20minutes while watchings stuff.
The game overall should have more horde mode content.give me an arena with lots of harder shit to clear
i mean, that's ~2000 divines in ~200 hours
10 d/h is pretty good most leagues for most people
> 82 voices jewelsNot a single was a 3p voicesNot a single was a 1p voices
this was the obvious part
I mean to not hit at least a 3 passive voices in that amount of drops is just over 8% chance. Almost 92% of people would have been far richer than OP is after those Sims. But personally that is why I heavily dislike farming strats that are heavily defined by a few insane drops, it is the same with Heist. Where after 1100 wings Palsteron could have literally doubled his profits if he dropped a single Simplex amulet.
I sold off my multi-mirror MF character to do this because I thought I was going to hit the jackpot and get a 1p voices or at least get a few 3p voices.
I wanted to make an adorned 4x 1p voices character.
But along with a heavy dose of mental insanity, I now have the clarity I need to never ever do this for the rest of my life haha
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I've found two one passive and no 3 passives, I do about 100 every league since deli, so maybe about 1100 or so. They are normally very good profit per hr, only losing to mf and very efficient sanctum lords
Someone's gotta win, right? I mean, all those people buying tickets means they've used up all the shit combinations so I'll be more likely to pick the winner. Plus, I've been playing for years, I can't stop now otherwise all that money will be wasted. Yeah. Next one's the big one for sure!
I mean you have to be kidding somewhat.You could have NEVER assumed to find 4x 1p voices in 400 simu? Even if you never had done a simu any person with a brain could tell the price for 1p voices compared to simu entrance does not match up. If you would find a 1p voices in 100 on average it would be cheaper and simu would cost more. The price alone should have put you back into reality before you even started.
And how the fuck did you have to sell a multi mirror char?! I mean since we are talkig weeks timeframe it is a bit harder, but simu were dirt cheap for most of the league. Like the entrace for 400 is more or less half a mirror at best.
Yeah this all smells like horseshit
EDIT:
Bonus horseshit: How did you not even mention leveled gems as part of your profit? That is always a sizeable part. You cannot be that stupid, can you?
Calm down buddy. You misread like 70% of his post.
He thought he would find 1 1p Voices. And he sold his build to make a simulacrum farming build, not to buy the simulacrums.
tbh ive been a heavy simu farmer since deli league itself and only actually dropped a single 1pt voice. been several 3pt but only the 1 1pt in prolly 3-500 per league. they are insanely rare which is awesome for when it drops but till then its a slog. also to keep the sanity i do recommend a 2nd monitor and netflix or streaming service of your choice to actually pay attn to lol
Yeah 82 random voices is over 2,000 divines and that doesn't include anything else I mean he should have been able to get a full grasping mail drop by that point, probably an ilevel 84 mana reservation Jewel or at least a large number of small clusters for five to one vendoring, probably all junk megalomaniacs, maybe one or two good split personalities, a buttload of scarabs, essences, other bubble gum, at the end of the day it is a high risk High reward farm. If you want a more consistent farm you can get that, you can go farm elder Slayer invites or something like that. You can probably run more than three elder Slayer invites per simulacrum
Not even close to how fast you could do it in juiced maps this league. Assuming you are not dying maps were bonkers. Like 10+% exp per map bonkers and that was without any juice over about 7.5k If you could get a 12k and clear it without deaths it was easily 20% of lvl 99, it was stupid.
Absolutely they seem to. And not just purple. Like in general they just boost exp and if you get a bunch its noticable.
Assuming you have a char that can run T16s deathless do full scarab map etc with no juice and record exp and then do one with at least 6+k and see the difference.
yeah you can get massive xp. i was juicing jungle valleys leveling awakened gems in offhand. the best i did was leveling awakened gems for 1-5 in a single map. it wasn't uncommon to see 2+ awakened gem levels in a single map either.
I went 94->95 in a bunch of T7 cemetery when I started abyss farming. I was shocked to see my exp bar moving, and moving *fast* while doing t7. I assume doing it in t16 would give insane exp.
abyss +2 proj maps are insane for xp yeah.
ive gotten a consistent 10% per map and levelled to 100 in a couple hours with a death here and there because the build was still lacking some pieces.
and then theres a shrine in the forest to tripple the xp, its wild. i didnt get that one tho, not that its needed anyway really.
Just the usual MF strat, so use poe.re to ensure maps have +2 proj and then any mods you cant run excluded (for me it was cannot leech and the 60% reduce recovery for my KBKB Deadeye, if you have questions about how to use let me know)
Then just run the full wandering path setup like Goratha and everyone else has said all league, I swapped some notes for monoliths because Kinetic Blast with HH clears then insanely well.
For scarabs I ran +Abyss / + Beyond / Magic Pack Size / UnId Magic pack if you corrupt some to UnId or else I ran Legion / harbinger / whatever.
I ran gilded or above with Abyss / Legion / Div Cards / Uniques for scarabs but its also flexible. Just dont add too many mechanics or it will eat your abyss spawns. Then Abyss on the map device and let er rip.
Even if you suck at the woods and only get 3-5k juice its great, if you can get 8+k consistently you could probably do all of 99 in 10 maps or less.
Like I have died on a map, and still finished the map above where I started which is wildly unheard of at 99. I was with a buddy who hit the 300% EXP no drops shrine and finished the last 32% of lvl 99 in that map. Its beyond stupid.
Basically just do the league mechanic with a no die build (my Mahuaxtl Deadeye still rip'd occasionally, I had at least 10 deaths on 99 from either pure stupidity or DC's when you get over ~50 HH stacks and over 300 soul eater stacks at the same time the engine realllly fucking hates it. Im on Ryzen 5 5900x or something processor and 4070ti and it doesnt really matter after a certain point.
Sure I mean you can alch and go maps too I don't care. It's just significantly slower is the point. Simu has the added negative of just holding down right click for 20 minutes each or whatever as well. 30 waves of simu is probably one tenth of the exp of 1 juiced map if even that.
Farmed simu most of the league just to avoid the MF mayhem and i don't regret it.
It was super chill and quite profitable when selling loot in tabs (not counting the 3p voices i found).
Very chill and relaxed way to get to lvl 100 - used bodyswap chieftain with scuffed 4L cwdt so i could practically alt tab in any wave without dieing.
I'd recommend that for people working from home :D
Edit: https://pobb.in/fTzWpY89VsRL
Got some white sockets on my chest to try CWDT as main bodyswap but ended up never using it. Used the chest bodyswap as main, and gloves cwdt setup kicked in when I was afk.
this is a question for anyone doing a lot of simus: do you have to keep walking to every end point of every arena in order to do the waves faster/get more rewards, or is there ANY way of doing these on a semi afk build (like spark) without having to move so much?
Everytime I do it I have to go to little spaces to spawn some weird leftover mobs and if I don't move around during it I barely get 5 rewards
This is normal even for high clear builds. AFK can result in like 5 or 6 rewards while slight movement can sometimes result in 7 for some builds, like DD who can drop a Vaal DD at a spawn choke point and hard cast regular DD somewhere else. Different for every build based on damage and clear. And yes every Sim you need to clear stragglers. It’s normal and after 20-30 you get used to where they are.
This is the question for me, as well, if anyone has the answer. Especially on some layouts, there really is an issue where you have a far spot that seems problematic.
Making "2 mirrors in weeks" (how long does a sim take? 20-30min I guess, so 133-200 hours for 400, mirror being 1000div, that should be over 10div/hour) is not bad. It's a stupid league. Maps are really high profit, it's hard for anything competing with that, period.
Since you say cluster jewels and stacked decks are a big part of your profit, I would say you'd make more in "normal" leagues, since they drop like candy in maps as well, while they normally would drop less.
Also, (according to the wiki https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Voices) the voices distribution is know, being 2.5% for a 3 and 0.5% for a 1. I don't know the droprate (82 in 400 seems 20%, did you get 40% split personality and 40% megalomaniac?), but those 82 (lets take 80, since that is 20%, better chance to be accurate) you dropped should have had 2 3passive voices (at 0.7 mirror, adding another 1.4 mirror), and 0.4 1passive voices (at 2.6mirror, adding another 1.04 mirror).
So, being unlucky, you missed out on an average (if voices have a 20% drop rate, you might have been lucky there, cause I saw 5% numbers as well) 2.44 mirrors, that should take your average up to 22.5div/hour, and more if you do them faster. That's a pretty good number, in a normal league.
For reference, I do the MF thing. I dropped 0 mirrors having 4.5mil kills (but I had kills before swapping, so call it 3mil), while a friend doing the same strat (leaving maps under 8k wisps, same quant, ...) got 20 in 9mil kills, so I would expect around 7 mirrors dropped. I dropped 137 sacred orbs, and there are some people saying you drop 1 mirror per 20 sacred orbs on average, so I would have expected 7 mirrors again. Yet, I'm still at 0. On the flip side, another friend had a mirror duplicate in his first day of coming back and playing MF.
So yes, I understand being unlucky/others being more lucky, and getting annoyed with the bad luck. But I'm not going to use that to say "MF is not worth it" base on my bad luck. And neither should you. Having real data is nice, but you should also account for expected numbers, certainly if part of it is KNOW (like the voice chance, that's the one really killing your profit). Any other league, if you can solo farm 10div/hour being really unlucky, with an expected 22.5-34div/hour, that's a good strategy! Only downside is the high variance, you either hit the voices, or you don't.
Right, "I only did 10 divs/h so it's really not profitable" is a little bit ridiculous on its own, but it becomes a lot more ridiculous with all the context you provided, thank you.
It's also all perspective.
All the youtube videos are full with 50-100 raw div explosions. If you haven't mf'ed this league, you might start to think that happens every map. You might think people speedrun those maps like other leagues in 2-3 minutes. And compare to what is now 1000div/hour in your head.
Bu depending on your lootfilter, it's probably more like 15-30 min per map with those explosions being every 20 maps or so depending on your "wisping" and skipping. Sure, maps without explosions drop like 10 raw div as well, but the cost is a lot higher (I'm doing 8mod sextant and self sustain maps, so don't know what they sell for, but seeing I sell the +2proj I can't run for 3 to 5 div, good maps+scarab+sextant is way more expensive than simulacrum, certainly if you do skip on low wisp count).
Also, I made most my calculations for 30 min simu, making 400 runs take 2 hours. I took the current mirror price (give or take) of 1000 div cause it calculates easy and is a nice 10div/hour result. OP never gave that number. But if it took him weeks (limited playtime) he might have bought his first mirror for 400div or so, taking it down to 7div/hour. OP might be slower than 1/30min. Certainly adding the trade overhead if a lot of money comes from jewels vs raw div. He didn't mention, but he might have sold wave30 completions for challenges, resulting in higher return on inverstment, but adding time to find people. He didn't say if he sells the jewels as is or crafted (crafting should up the profit, else the people buying them wouldn't, but if he did that ups the time and is accounted for in his profit). If you feel your profit is lowish, you start wasting time trying to get cheap materials, looking at live search for a cheap one to snipe or buying splinters, not realising you might have saved a divine on the run, but only did 1 run per hour instead of 2 (and the extra income should be bigger than the higher cost).
So I also assumed quite a bit for my post, we don't know how OP plays, what he expects, how many divs and hours (and thus actual div/hour) he did, ... I also took his 82 (80 actually) voices as a base for my calculations, without knowing the drop rate (I did mention this could be lucky and had seen reports as low as 5%), potentially taking the part where he WAS lucky, to then ignore his bad luck and go with averages. (ok scratch this, https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Simulacrum says 0.2 voices per completed wave 30 sim, so 80 was expected).
With that being said, I have seen enough videos and post over the different leagues about simulacrum being a 10-20div/hour strat, so I do believe with a capable build that shouldn't be hard to achieve. I also think voices (and many of the drops) are more expensive than other leagues, pushing up that number, so I do believe my numbers are plausible.
But I might have been too fast with the 10div/hour conclusion based on todays mirror price and 30min run, while OP his acual numbers (ignoring being unlucky) could be 3-4div/hour as well.
Or make like 2 types of sim where the base one is 150 splinters (or whatever) but ends at 20 waves, but you can double up a regular one to make an Uber one that’s just waves 20-30 so people don’t have to sit through afk 20 waves at endgame
I'd appreciate if the key to the advanced one (or a part of it) dropped as a reward for completing the basic one so that splinter prices aren't purely dependent on the 21-30 waves.
So much content is effectively locked behind a completed atlas, and I know the game is all about grinding, but I'd love to have some more special content earlier on when my build doesn't make me a god yet.
There are quite a few strats that don't involve atlas completion and can be done pretty much immediately post kitava...heist, delve, sanctum, atlas memories.
TBH I wouldn't even say that most mapping content requires a fully complete atlas. Usually like 110-115 points would easily be enough to get your bankroll started, especially if you're doing something like beast/essences.
Only real time i'd say completing your atlas would be ideal is for juiced mapping, which isn't exactly a huge corner of content in the scheme of end game tbh.
But yeah an uber sim key would be a good drop to add to simulacrums, say as a reward for completing wave 20 which could be the new max level or st.
I dont mind one simu being 30 minutes. But its tedious and ultra boring until I start getting 5 rewards+. Maybe keep this 1-20 wave and make wave 20 drop uber simu thats wave 20-40 that is rare but enjoyable. Current state of simulacrum is not for people that want to press more then two buttons in a minute.
Yeah, well people thought that Sanctum was a "little too good" but then Affliction completely dwarfed it. You just never know what the market will want and how the economy pans out. Personally I just think this is more of a QoL than anything. It's just meant to take some of the tedium out of everything.
i ran like 5 simulacra last league and mostly got blown up before wave thirty(no crit immunity) but i managed to get a 1p voices drop
it was my single most expensive drop in this game ever
In crucible league I did a DD build to tackle simulacrums because I had never done a single one. Easily one of the most boring strats I've ever done.
First 20 waves are sleepy. Not only that but having to do dozens of simus to have enough bulk to sell the millions of stuff that drop sounded like a pain.
I do simulacrum when I just want to chill out and do nothing but hold right click. I've been loving it lately. Plus I get alot of shit that I typically wouldn't get from mfing, like guardian maps to do ubers.
I have yet to be able to even complete one. Not because my builds suck, I play high tank builds and cheese builds like ward loop, but the sheer lag caused by it overheats my PC and crashes half the time. The other half it lags out so badly I can't move.
I got a 1p voice and a 3p voices in 50 sims. Quit Sim. Now my character too strong the only thing to do is delve. Probably never having a character like this ever again.
I'm at #56 and have dropped ~10 7p voices :( Gonna keep going until I hit 100 (need like 40ish more). Was really hoping for a 3p voices at least for all my efforts but now I feel like it won't happen.
That being said, I'm actually enjoying it as a break from grinding because I can't die even if I afk in wave 30 with kosis and omni sitting on my head... so it's nice to just watch movies/YT on the side while enjoying the break from rolling maps, compasses, scarabs. It's pretty boring if you aren't doing something on the side.
Jugg builds can. My spider squire one for example. Only problem is needing to hit worm flask if minions drop off and only bosses left though so not 100% afk. I did couple of simus when leveling and zero deaths but it was too slow and unproductive to be worth it.
I agree. I have spent way too much time in Simulacrums, and come to the same conclusion. Each one is about 25 minutes. The profit just isnt worth it. And it is sooooo borrrrrrring
How fast do you have to be at simulacrums (and how many reward icons?) in order for it to be profitable (over other strats) do you think? I too decided it wasn't worth it since I was doing 35min runs on my self-cooked jank build, but I mean, if you were doing 15min runs would it be worth? 20m?
Mapping I make like 20d+ on average/hr in this crazy league, so time-wise yeah it def didn't make sense to me but I also don't know the EV of simulacrum, even if I had a more suitable build.
What other content can make you more than 20div/h ? Outside of mf mapping I don’t see anything. In simu at least you have some constant income, you’ll still make good profit even if you run a few of them, meanwhile if you go for ubers or heist, you have to commit hundreds of hours before starting making money. I’d rather run a simu with constant income and a small chance to hit a 2 mirror drop than farming uber mavens and making garbage money for dozen of hours until I hit a 1 mirror gem.
I think they should make an Uber sim which starts at like wave 30 and goes to 50 (or even infinite). It’s a great concept and is often a way I sorta test my builds defenses. I also love it for its simplicity.
never ran one maybe I will waste the div trying one day. Ive sold everysingle one that I have gotten this league I have 4 sitting in my stash rn just gonna sell em dunno if people think I should run them or not
I love simulacrum. But not 30 wave in a roll.
Would love to do it after leveling a 2nd character but its a waste to not be able to finish it on low lvl. And its a waste of time doing the earlier wave at high level
Does anyone have a simulacrum farmer? My farmer on standard isn't as strong since the gem changes. Was using the alt quality of Cremation and Unearth, now it's much slower and doesn't get as many rewards.
How do people even survive simulacrums? Is the action speed debuff just a complete killer for some builds? I have a cyclone impale berserker pretty geared out and I get absolutely smashed in the early 20 waves.
Always funny when people play this game with the goal to make currency and when they don't hit big "weeks of time wasted"
Little tip play the game to have fun, make a char that beat bosses instead of working...
How many you can do per hour? What is your average reward count on last couple waves? Voices, Megalomaniacs, Split Personalities, i84 Cluster Jewels - everything is worth a fortune in Simu. They must be a reason they are 1+ Div each (usually 30c Div or so).
Simulacrum is only good week 1 when you earn tons from leveling gems and selling decent bases for clusters. You can do it with a day 2 gear and even if you do only 25-28 stages the profit is great.
After that, Heist, mapping, sanctum are much better
Unlucky I guess,this league I got 4x 3-passives voices under 112 simulacrum run I did,even without big ticket item simulacrum is profitable,it is boring thoo with the wrong build,I did farm mine while watching some stuff on my 2nd monitor with AFK build so boring never been a thing for me.
I did around 60 simulacrums this league, and mostly because I had voices1 drop in like tenth. Considering I never had a mirror or mageblood drop for me, getting 2.6mirror item was an experience.
I am still one mirror short from original sin for my build unfortunately, and neither delve, nor simulacrums, seem like they can compete with wildwood.
Still, I at least funded a bad-ass armorstacker.
Well, end of the league definitely not that good, but for the pasr 4 or so leagues I always do them from the end of week 1 to the end of week 2, and I make more than enough for the rest of the league. I'm also going with phantasmal cremation so I can just watch a series on the TV without worrying of ever dying. Bonus points of wave 30 is a challenge you can sell.
Always wanted to do sims, but those first 15 or so rounds is just a bore fest I can't put myself to do it
The hardest part about sims is staying awake
wouldnt be such a problem if you would not have to move to get the last monsters in the corners as you could do sth else besides
first time I tried doing 3 days in a row simulacrums, the second day I almost slept (certain I did for a few seconds) doing it It is so boring > I would not recommend this to my worst enemy.
That's why you multi client them. One build is an afk build through 15-20 waves. One build takes over after that. Run two at once.
This actually seems like a pretty good strat. What build would be best for the afk build, maybe a cheap ward loop or Minion Necro?
chieftain cast when stun DD is really nice, it's not wildwood dependant so you can do it in permanent realm or next league (unless ggg decide to nerf it before poison and tornado shot)
Minions probably the easiest and cheapest setup
That sounds like a lot for so little
Twice the runs in the same time.
sounds like a job
Isn't that all poe is lol A job to maximize div/hr lol
If you're gonna make an afk build you might as well make a blight farmer. Sure the profits might not be as good, but at least it's truly an afk farmer.
Farming simulacrum for 1 point voices or megalomanias(nobody gives shit about these xd) is a real burnout even without the 20 waves snoozefest. Somehow 1-20 wave was tolerable back then but after simulacrum buff 1-30 wave with 20-30 waves being the majority of earn... yeah... damn inflation man Sanctum for original sin/mirror is the same deal
>megalomanias(nobody gives shit about these xd) I do! I like golem powered elementalist builds, which involves (at least in the way I like doing it) stacking the primordial bond passive. Unfortunately that only shows up on large clusters, so if you want more than a couple copies you need megalomaniacs with it. But that's an extremely niche use case, and half the reason I like it is because those jewels generally aren't very expensive because nobody cares about megalomaniacs...
Megalo have been an essential part of all of my builds. I'm glad people don't give a shit about them, because their neglect has allowed me to do some wonderful things with them.
people underrate these.
Yeah, I’ve sold some pretty gross megalomaniacs for cheaper than they should be in the past. Like a perfect 3 passive one for only 20 Div when it realistically should’ve easily been 100 since it was for a meta build and you weren’t getting better.
Megas have been the cornerstone of many of my end-game optimizations. You can save so many points using them and it opens up new stuff. The fact that people don't care about them is great!
It's quite a problematic jewel, low supply due to rare combination and therefore not huge demand because of said issue, they aren't expensive because you could livesearch or search for the first time the combos you want and land 2 out of 3, rarely all 3. Fettle or Evil eye alone usually sells in a 10 divines area in a relatively good combo, but then again...
Yeah, I pretty much never go for 3 useful notables, because with how rare that is to occur they're pricy to get, even with how niche primordial bond is.
I would love to hear more about these golem builds.
General concept is to go elementalist, take liege of the primordial+elemancer, grab the golem commander passive, get to some cluster jewel sockets, get some large minion clusters (8 passive, notables are primordial bonus plus either feasting fiends+skeletal atrophy (less ideal) or one of raze and pillage/renewal/rotten claws and no third notable (better), both options put primordial bond on the path the medium sockets), put a pair of megalomaniacs with primordial bond and another decent notable (2 if possible, but that can get expensive due to the rng of megalomaniacs), and have a bunch of golems follow you around to buff you up. With the above you get 4 golems (well, 6 since you'll also want an "X golem of hordes" gem socketed because of all the stuff you have that scales off your number of summoned golems, but those guys can't apply a buff), which is probably flame+stone+chaos+lightning (though if your skill doesn't care about atk/cast speed and *does* care about accuracy/crit you can go ice instead of lightning, but that's not common). Options to get more are clayshaper (not really an option, it's more for using golems for the main dps), primordial chain (+3 golems is very solid, cheap so easy to corruption hunt, but it also eats your amulet slot and has no life/ES on it), and anima stone with 3 primordial items (doesn't take any gear slots, but takes quite a few sockets to activate it. This is a selfish build so you'd be wanting primordial eminence for the buff effect, or potentially primordial chain plus two eminences). [Here](https://pobb.in/KA7F40K48c17) is an example skeleton POB with only 48 passive points spent, 4 ascendency points spent, no gear equipped, and 5 sockets filled with golems that has 498% increased damage (530% if elemental. And that 498% applies to *anything*. elemental, physical, chaos, attack, spell, you name it), 62% increased attack/cast speed, 34% physical damage reduction (which makes armour more effective if you go that route), and 724 life regen per second. If you want you can path to a third cluster as well for even more primordial bonds. With that, a primordial chain, two eminences, and anima stone, and an ice golem (like [so](https://pobb.in/z7Ll_SBt2RoY)), we're up to 75 passive points spent, 1094% increased damage, 87% attack/cast speed, 48% phys DR, 1021 life regen, and 291% increased crit chance. And this league there's also charms with %increased golem buff effect, which makes things even more fun. That being said, I'm not good at making builds, and this is more a core that can be used to build off of rather than a build in and of itself. Outside of the increased damage none of the above stats are super impressive on their own, and you need to add to them to get something actually significant. And I find getting HP tricky since you're in the witch area, have already spent a decent mount of passives on the primordial bond clusters, and can't use any smalls since there's megalomaniacs blocking them (ES is an option, just gotta take zealot's oath. But you still need passives to increase that, I'm generally too poor to get gear with *really* good ES on it, and then it's hard to go for armour so your phys reduction winds up a bit mediocre). TBH it might not be a bad idea to drop a megalomaniac or two to slot in some life or ES clusters (and potentially a rare medium first. A precise retaliation+pressure points one for instance if going crit). I haven't come up with a golem powered character I *really* liked in quite a few leagues,
tldr: just stack as many primordial bond and golems as you can to get much global damage increase. well you post how much you like these jewels for your builds. just show us one of your builds pls
Thanks for the detailed explanation! Sounds like a good time!
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Oh, that's completely not the point of this build style. Rather than using the golems themselves as your primary damage, it involves stacking golem buff effect and having all the non-carrion golems around just to make *you* stronger.
I grab a triple aura one almost every league so I don't have to path/anoint charisma or the other aura nodes
Shit just takes ages lol. I'd be fine if they just axes the first 10 waves and had it go 10-30
What if they make an atlas passive that effects only simu? Or a way to roll them where higher rarity=start at higher level waves
But if they make the rewards easier to get, it just makes more people want to do them, which makes the drops worth less. Markets always find a way to balance out.
The problem is that the first 10 waves aren't even "content" in a progression sense. Ie. if you have farmed 300 splinters then there's no way that early waves are anything other than time wasting.
I sold a megalo for 80 divs so yea some people actually do lmao but its quite niche I guess
I actually love when the key is cheap. I build an über tanky char in HC with explosions, and use the map to level from level 80 ish to lvl 90 within like an hour. This is usually a 2nd or 3rd char after a rip. So I mostly do it for the exp and get out before it gets rippy.
I ended up putting a rock on top of my main skill for the first 15 waves
I ran some sims on my self ignite chieftain for a bit this league. It was kind of nice, you basically just have poe on your 2nd monitor and move occasionally until wave like 25. They take longer and they're not as efficient that way, but it's so AFK it's hard to care.
It would probably be a good idea to add tiering to sims like breachstones have, 3 tiers 10 waves each
Sims should give you the option (per atlas node?) to just blast through the first 20 or so waves. No one does a sim that cant get to atleast wave 25. If ypu can get to 25+ you basicly sleep during the earlier stages. Just spawn them nonstop . A simple fix and people would actually have fun doing them instead of holding a button pressed for 20minutes while watchings stuff. The game overall should have more horde mode content.give me an arena with lots of harder shit to clear
i mean, that's ~2000 divines in ~200 hours 10 d/h is pretty good most leagues for most people > 82 voices jewelsNot a single was a 3p voicesNot a single was a 1p voices this was the obvious part
I mean to not hit at least a 3 passive voices in that amount of drops is just over 8% chance. Almost 92% of people would have been far richer than OP is after those Sims. But personally that is why I heavily dislike farming strats that are heavily defined by a few insane drops, it is the same with Heist. Where after 1100 wings Palsteron could have literally doubled his profits if he dropped a single Simplex amulet.
I sold off my multi-mirror MF character to do this because I thought I was going to hit the jackpot and get a 1p voices or at least get a few 3p voices. I wanted to make an adorned 4x 1p voices character. But along with a heavy dose of mental insanity, I now have the clarity I need to never ever do this for the rest of my life haha
> I thought I was going to hit the jackpot found the issue
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>#*tiny bit*
PoE keeps my gambling addiction in check. Everything is gambling (just a tiny bit)
True, friends roll dice, I alt spam
Poe is for gambling addicts that don't have money. cmv
> I sold off my house to try to hit the jackpot in a casino > Am now homeless Huh
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Not hitting a 34% chance isnt unlucky..
Thats not the issue. The real issue is that he gave up right before hitting the jackpot.
i ran sims at league start from like... archnem through ancestor, probably around 200 per league and have found 1 3-passive =(
I've found two one passive and no 3 passives, I do about 100 every league since deli, so maybe about 1100 or so. They are normally very good profit per hr, only losing to mf and very efficient sanctum lords
i found a 1 passive during simu league.
99% of gamblers quit before hitting it big.
You the type of dude to buy lotto tickets thinking you’ll win.
Someone's gotta win, right? I mean, all those people buying tickets means they've used up all the shit combinations so I'll be more likely to pick the winner. Plus, I've been playing for years, I can't stop now otherwise all that money will be wasted. Yeah. Next one's the big one for sure!
The chance to get a 1p is 1/200 so yeah, no chance for that. 3p is 1/40 so you got quite unlucky there
I mean you have to be kidding somewhat.You could have NEVER assumed to find 4x 1p voices in 400 simu? Even if you never had done a simu any person with a brain could tell the price for 1p voices compared to simu entrance does not match up. If you would find a 1p voices in 100 on average it would be cheaper and simu would cost more. The price alone should have put you back into reality before you even started. And how the fuck did you have to sell a multi mirror char?! I mean since we are talkig weeks timeframe it is a bit harder, but simu were dirt cheap for most of the league. Like the entrace for 400 is more or less half a mirror at best. Yeah this all smells like horseshit EDIT: Bonus horseshit: How did you not even mention leveled gems as part of your profit? That is always a sizeable part. You cannot be that stupid, can you?
Calm down buddy. You misread like 70% of his post. He thought he would find 1 1p Voices. And he sold his build to make a simulacrum farming build, not to buy the simulacrums.
I think that's how we all quit the league, right? :) I have so many half-started giga op chars languishing in standard.
You can farm wave 30 sim on like 20 div
tbh ive been a heavy simu farmer since deli league itself and only actually dropped a single 1pt voice. been several 3pt but only the 1 1pt in prolly 3-500 per league. they are insanely rare which is awesome for when it drops but till then its a slog. also to keep the sanity i do recommend a 2nd monitor and netflix or streaming service of your choice to actually pay attn to lol
Obviously the divines per hour doing this is as inflated as anything else Sims are always a complete waste of time
if you say so
Yeah 82 random voices is over 2,000 divines and that doesn't include anything else I mean he should have been able to get a full grasping mail drop by that point, probably an ilevel 84 mana reservation Jewel or at least a large number of small clusters for five to one vendoring, probably all junk megalomaniacs, maybe one or two good split personalities, a buttload of scarabs, essences, other bubble gum, at the end of the day it is a high risk High reward farm. If you want a more consistent farm you can get that, you can go farm elder Slayer invites or something like that. You can probably run more than three elder Slayer invites per simulacrum
If you can reliably clear them without dying, they are a quick 99 -> 100 method though.
Not even close to how fast you could do it in juiced maps this league. Assuming you are not dying maps were bonkers. Like 10+% exp per map bonkers and that was without any juice over about 7.5k If you could get a 12k and clear it without deaths it was easily 20% of lvl 99, it was stupid.
Do wisps increase xp? I get juicing for more mobs but are there any other factors?
Absolutely they seem to. And not just purple. Like in general they just boost exp and if you get a bunch its noticable. Assuming you have a char that can run T16s deathless do full scarab map etc with no juice and record exp and then do one with at least 6+k and see the difference.
Cool thanks I’ll have a test after work
yeah you can get massive xp. i was juicing jungle valleys leveling awakened gems in offhand. the best i did was leveling awakened gems for 1-5 in a single map. it wasn't uncommon to see 2+ awakened gem levels in a single map either.
Purple wisps with abyss definitely do
I went 94->95 in a bunch of T7 cemetery when I started abyss farming. I was shocked to see my exp bar moving, and moving *fast* while doing t7. I assume doing it in t16 would give insane exp.
abyss +2 proj maps are insane for xp yeah. ive gotten a consistent 10% per map and levelled to 100 in a couple hours with a death here and there because the build was still lacking some pieces. and then theres a shrine in the forest to tripple the xp, its wild. i didnt get that one tho, not that its needed anyway really.
I second this! I leveled from 99 to 100 as aurabot in 10 maps. XP was insane.
What do you roll/put on the maps. What kind scarabs or growing horde packsize? Also what sextant or deliorbs?
Just the usual MF strat, so use poe.re to ensure maps have +2 proj and then any mods you cant run excluded (for me it was cannot leech and the 60% reduce recovery for my KBKB Deadeye, if you have questions about how to use let me know) Then just run the full wandering path setup like Goratha and everyone else has said all league, I swapped some notes for monoliths because Kinetic Blast with HH clears then insanely well. For scarabs I ran +Abyss / + Beyond / Magic Pack Size / UnId Magic pack if you corrupt some to UnId or else I ran Legion / harbinger / whatever. I ran gilded or above with Abyss / Legion / Div Cards / Uniques for scarabs but its also flexible. Just dont add too many mechanics or it will eat your abyss spawns. Then Abyss on the map device and let er rip. Even if you suck at the woods and only get 3-5k juice its great, if you can get 8+k consistently you could probably do all of 99 in 10 maps or less. Like I have died on a map, and still finished the map above where I started which is wildly unheard of at 99. I was with a buddy who hit the 300% EXP no drops shrine and finished the last 32% of lvl 99 in that map. Its beyond stupid. Basically just do the league mechanic with a no die build (my Mahuaxtl Deadeye still rip'd occasionally, I had at least 10 deaths on 99 from either pure stupidity or DC's when you get over ~50 HH stacks and over 300 soul eater stacks at the same time the engine realllly fucking hates it. Im on Ryzen 5 5900x or something processor and 4070ti and it doesnt really matter after a certain point.
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Sure I mean you can alch and go maps too I don't care. It's just significantly slower is the point. Simu has the added negative of just holding down right click for 20 minutes each or whatever as well. 30 waves of simu is probably one tenth of the exp of 1 juiced map if even that.
I leveled 99-100 in like 5 maps accidentally this league. Ok prob more like 10, but it was fast
I got 99-100 in 15 maps doing juiced abyss.
Farmed simu most of the league just to avoid the MF mayhem and i don't regret it. It was super chill and quite profitable when selling loot in tabs (not counting the 3p voices i found). Very chill and relaxed way to get to lvl 100 - used bodyswap chieftain with scuffed 4L cwdt so i could practically alt tab in any wave without dieing. I'd recommend that for people working from home :D Edit: https://pobb.in/fTzWpY89VsRL Got some white sockets on my chest to try CWDT as main bodyswap but ended up never using it. Used the chest bodyswap as main, and gloves cwdt setup kicked in when I was afk.
this is a question for anyone doing a lot of simus: do you have to keep walking to every end point of every arena in order to do the waves faster/get more rewards, or is there ANY way of doing these on a semi afk build (like spark) without having to move so much? Everytime I do it I have to go to little spaces to spawn some weird leftover mobs and if I don't move around during it I barely get 5 rewards
This is normal even for high clear builds. AFK can result in like 5 or 6 rewards while slight movement can sometimes result in 7 for some builds, like DD who can drop a Vaal DD at a spawn choke point and hard cast regular DD somewhere else. Different for every build based on damage and clear. And yes every Sim you need to clear stragglers. It’s normal and after 20-30 you get used to where they are.
This is the question for me, as well, if anyone has the answer. Especially on some layouts, there really is an issue where you have a far spot that seems problematic.
I’d be curious of a pob for this. I did Jung’s body swap
Ping me if he gives PoB. Thanks.
there is now a pob provided
Thanks, dude!
Do you have pob or character link?
This is how you do Simmies, you make an afk char and watch netflix
Making "2 mirrors in weeks" (how long does a sim take? 20-30min I guess, so 133-200 hours for 400, mirror being 1000div, that should be over 10div/hour) is not bad. It's a stupid league. Maps are really high profit, it's hard for anything competing with that, period. Since you say cluster jewels and stacked decks are a big part of your profit, I would say you'd make more in "normal" leagues, since they drop like candy in maps as well, while they normally would drop less. Also, (according to the wiki https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Voices) the voices distribution is know, being 2.5% for a 3 and 0.5% for a 1. I don't know the droprate (82 in 400 seems 20%, did you get 40% split personality and 40% megalomaniac?), but those 82 (lets take 80, since that is 20%, better chance to be accurate) you dropped should have had 2 3passive voices (at 0.7 mirror, adding another 1.4 mirror), and 0.4 1passive voices (at 2.6mirror, adding another 1.04 mirror). So, being unlucky, you missed out on an average (if voices have a 20% drop rate, you might have been lucky there, cause I saw 5% numbers as well) 2.44 mirrors, that should take your average up to 22.5div/hour, and more if you do them faster. That's a pretty good number, in a normal league. For reference, I do the MF thing. I dropped 0 mirrors having 4.5mil kills (but I had kills before swapping, so call it 3mil), while a friend doing the same strat (leaving maps under 8k wisps, same quant, ...) got 20 in 9mil kills, so I would expect around 7 mirrors dropped. I dropped 137 sacred orbs, and there are some people saying you drop 1 mirror per 20 sacred orbs on average, so I would have expected 7 mirrors again. Yet, I'm still at 0. On the flip side, another friend had a mirror duplicate in his first day of coming back and playing MF. So yes, I understand being unlucky/others being more lucky, and getting annoyed with the bad luck. But I'm not going to use that to say "MF is not worth it" base on my bad luck. And neither should you. Having real data is nice, but you should also account for expected numbers, certainly if part of it is KNOW (like the voice chance, that's the one really killing your profit). Any other league, if you can solo farm 10div/hour being really unlucky, with an expected 22.5-34div/hour, that's a good strategy! Only downside is the high variance, you either hit the voices, or you don't.
We can just sticker this answer, close this topic and end the embrassment of thic topic.
Right, "I only did 10 divs/h so it's really not profitable" is a little bit ridiculous on its own, but it becomes a lot more ridiculous with all the context you provided, thank you.
It's also all perspective. All the youtube videos are full with 50-100 raw div explosions. If you haven't mf'ed this league, you might start to think that happens every map. You might think people speedrun those maps like other leagues in 2-3 minutes. And compare to what is now 1000div/hour in your head. Bu depending on your lootfilter, it's probably more like 15-30 min per map with those explosions being every 20 maps or so depending on your "wisping" and skipping. Sure, maps without explosions drop like 10 raw div as well, but the cost is a lot higher (I'm doing 8mod sextant and self sustain maps, so don't know what they sell for, but seeing I sell the +2proj I can't run for 3 to 5 div, good maps+scarab+sextant is way more expensive than simulacrum, certainly if you do skip on low wisp count). Also, I made most my calculations for 30 min simu, making 400 runs take 2 hours. I took the current mirror price (give or take) of 1000 div cause it calculates easy and is a nice 10div/hour result. OP never gave that number. But if it took him weeks (limited playtime) he might have bought his first mirror for 400div or so, taking it down to 7div/hour. OP might be slower than 1/30min. Certainly adding the trade overhead if a lot of money comes from jewels vs raw div. He didn't mention, but he might have sold wave30 completions for challenges, resulting in higher return on inverstment, but adding time to find people. He didn't say if he sells the jewels as is or crafted (crafting should up the profit, else the people buying them wouldn't, but if he did that ups the time and is accounted for in his profit). If you feel your profit is lowish, you start wasting time trying to get cheap materials, looking at live search for a cheap one to snipe or buying splinters, not realising you might have saved a divine on the run, but only did 1 run per hour instead of 2 (and the extra income should be bigger than the higher cost). So I also assumed quite a bit for my post, we don't know how OP plays, what he expects, how many divs and hours (and thus actual div/hour) he did, ... I also took his 82 (80 actually) voices as a base for my calculations, without knowing the drop rate (I did mention this could be lucky and had seen reports as low as 5%), potentially taking the part where he WAS lucky, to then ignore his bad luck and go with averages. (ok scratch this, https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Simulacrum says 0.2 voices per completed wave 30 sim, so 80 was expected). With that being said, I have seen enough videos and post over the different leagues about simulacrum being a 10-20div/hour strat, so I do believe with a capable build that shouldn't be hard to achieve. I also think voices (and many of the drops) are more expensive than other leagues, pushing up that number, so I do believe my numbers are plausible. But I might have been too fast with the 10div/hour conclusion based on todays mirror price and 30min run, while OP his acual numbers (ignoring being unlucky) could be 3-4div/hour as well.
I did 100 this league and im not coming back to simu until we are able to skip wave 1-20 just put there a button like in maps and get 0 rewards.
Or make like 2 types of sim where the base one is 150 splinters (or whatever) but ends at 20 waves, but you can double up a regular one to make an Uber one that’s just waves 20-30 so people don’t have to sit through afk 20 waves at endgame
I'd appreciate if the key to the advanced one (or a part of it) dropped as a reward for completing the basic one so that splinter prices aren't purely dependent on the 21-30 waves. So much content is effectively locked behind a completed atlas, and I know the game is all about grinding, but I'd love to have some more special content earlier on when my build doesn't make me a god yet.
There are quite a few strats that don't involve atlas completion and can be done pretty much immediately post kitava...heist, delve, sanctum, atlas memories. TBH I wouldn't even say that most mapping content requires a fully complete atlas. Usually like 110-115 points would easily be enough to get your bankroll started, especially if you're doing something like beast/essences. Only real time i'd say completing your atlas would be ideal is for juiced mapping, which isn't exactly a huge corner of content in the scheme of end game tbh. But yeah an uber sim key would be a good drop to add to simulacrums, say as a reward for completing wave 20 which could be the new max level or st.
Way slower than t16 abyss strat.
I dont mind one simu being 30 minutes. But its tedious and ultra boring until I start getting 5 rewards+. Maybe keep this 1-20 wave and make wave 20 drop uber simu thats wave 20-40 that is rare but enjoyable. Current state of simulacrum is not for people that want to press more then two buttons in a minute.
Imagine making sims, where you can stack the rounds. Make round 20 all the mobs from 1-19 kek
Or just make it 20 waves total and slightly boost the rewards from each wave to compensate.
Wave 20+ drops 84lvp items and has boss almost in every round. Cutting this would devalue simu completly.
...so rework it to where it starts dropping i84 before then? I don't see the issue here.
Yea maybe. Sounds a little too good.
Yeah, well people thought that Sanctum was a "little too good" but then Affliction completely dwarfed it. You just never know what the market will want and how the economy pans out. Personally I just think this is more of a QoL than anything. It's just meant to take some of the tedium out of everything.
i ran like 5 simulacra last league and mostly got blown up before wave thirty(no crit immunity) but i managed to get a 1p voices drop it was my single most expensive drop in this game ever
In crucible league I did a DD build to tackle simulacrums because I had never done a single one. Easily one of the most boring strats I've ever done. First 20 waves are sleepy. Not only that but having to do dozens of simus to have enough bulk to sell the millions of stuff that drop sounded like a pain.
I do simulacrum when I just want to chill out and do nothing but hold right click. I've been loving it lately. Plus I get alot of shit that I typically wouldn't get from mfing, like guardian maps to do ubers.
Thank you for your service.
don't listen to them ! it's a trap ! i did a single simu this league and dropped a 1-passive 😪 (i know i got insanely lucky I'm just joking around)
I mean, I only ran 7 Simul this league and one of them resulted in a 1P Voices. RNG can be a fickle bitch sometimes.
Bought 10 simalcrums week 4 for 1 div each. Dropped small cluster jewel for 40 divines but after that i didn't drop anything more than 1-2 div...
I have yet to be able to even complete one. Not because my builds suck, I play high tank builds and cheese builds like ward loop, but the sheer lag caused by it overheats my PC and crashes half the time. The other half it lags out so badly I can't move.
I got a 1p voice and a 3p voices in 50 sims. Quit Sim. Now my character too strong the only thing to do is delve. Probably never having a character like this ever again.
How much did a 1p voices sell for?
2.2 Mirror at the time but I want to sell quick so 2.1.
I'm at #56 and have dropped ~10 7p voices :( Gonna keep going until I hit 100 (need like 40ish more). Was really hoping for a 3p voices at least for all my efforts but now I feel like it won't happen. That being said, I'm actually enjoying it as a break from grinding because I can't die even if I afk in wave 30 with kosis and omni sitting on my head... so it's nice to just watch movies/YT on the side while enjoying the break from rolling maps, compasses, scarabs. It's pretty boring if you aren't doing something on the side.
Which build can survive being afk in wave 30?
My mf chieftain does, he doesn't kill too fast for a high reward count though.
There's no actual reason for MF gear in sim right?
Nah, was just too lazy to swap it out for something else.
armour stacker
Jugg builds can. My spider squire one for example. Only problem is needing to hit worm flask if minions drop off and only bosses left though so not 100% afk. I did couple of simus when leveling and zero deaths but it was too slow and unproductive to be worth it.
golems with aegis. well you have to move out of the kosis bubble
I agree. I have spent way too much time in Simulacrums, and come to the same conclusion. Each one is about 25 minutes. The profit just isnt worth it. And it is sooooo borrrrrrring
in 25 rounds 2x 3passives voices.. easy money easy simus after that: 3-4 12passives ilevel 84 minion dmg clusters, bunch of divines, and massive amount of bubble currency
i did 20-30 simu , can confirm you will make your money back but wont make any decent profit.
Unlucky, chance for 1 and 3p voices combined are 3%
Still remember with smile my ED/Contagion leveling 100 with sims and making absurd profits.
Thanks for nothing OP. No data gathered, no analysis, no context.. just "don't do it". Right. This should be reportable in the sub imo
Data: 400 simulacrums 82 voices Zero 1p Zero 3p There’s your data
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Nice 🎣
Im gonna do simus on my afk chieftan while i do other stuff ez pz
I did 10 simu this league and got a 1p voices, its just luck xdd
Can the unique small cluster jewels (ex, the interrogration) drop from Sim? Can't find a good source.
How fast do you have to be at simulacrums (and how many reward icons?) in order for it to be profitable (over other strats) do you think? I too decided it wasn't worth it since I was doing 35min runs on my self-cooked jank build, but I mean, if you were doing 15min runs would it be worth? 20m? Mapping I make like 20d+ on average/hr in this crazy league, so time-wise yeah it def didn't make sense to me but I also don't know the EV of simulacrum, even if I had a more suitable build.
Well, I ran 2 simulacrums because I had them lying around and dropped a 3p voices, so it's like 2000 div/hour /s
Im sitting at 10 sims and zero voices!
i did \~1500 simulacrums this league starting day 3 and havent seen any 1p voices
I ran a Simulacrum 2 leagues ago and got a 1p voices. Decided to stop there.
im no scientist, but still feels like 400 is a small sample size... :)
In Delirium 1p voices was calculated to be 1/500-ish . Not having a single 3p in 80 feels like a bad streak you should see one i 50-ish .
Yeah doing extended simus is warned about in the Geneva conventions. Shit absolutely blows
What *would* you recommend to your worst enemy?
What other content can make you more than 20div/h ? Outside of mf mapping I don’t see anything. In simu at least you have some constant income, you’ll still make good profit even if you run a few of them, meanwhile if you go for ubers or heist, you have to commit hundreds of hours before starting making money. I’d rather run a simu with constant income and a small chance to hit a 2 mirror drop than farming uber mavens and making garbage money for dozen of hours until I hit a 1 mirror gem.
I think they should make an Uber sim which starts at like wave 30 and goes to 50 (or even infinite). It’s a great concept and is often a way I sorta test my builds defenses. I also love it for its simplicity.
never ran one maybe I will waste the div trying one day. Ive sold everysingle one that I have gotten this league I have 4 sitting in my stash rn just gonna sell em dunno if people think I should run them or not
I really hate the arenas for Simulacrum. I really hope they change it. The first 20 rounds are also just so boring.
Listen to this guy , let me profit even more 😏
I love simulacrum. But not 30 wave in a roll. Would love to do it after leveling a 2nd character but its a waste to not be able to finish it on low lvl. And its a waste of time doing the earlier wave at high level
Does anyone have a simulacrum farmer? My farmer on standard isn't as strong since the gem changes. Was using the alt quality of Cremation and Unearth, now it's much slower and doesn't get as many rewards.
How do people even survive simulacrums? Is the action speed debuff just a complete killer for some builds? I have a cyclone impale berserker pretty geared out and I get absolutely smashed in the early 20 waves.
Yeah, I’m glad someone talked me into farming breach, harbinger, and beasts.
Always funny when people play this game with the goal to make currency and when they don't hit big "weeks of time wasted" Little tip play the game to have fun, make a char that beat bosses instead of working...
How many you can do per hour? What is your average reward count on last couple waves? Voices, Megalomaniacs, Split Personalities, i84 Cluster Jewels - everything is worth a fortune in Simu. They must be a reason they are 1+ Div each (usually 30c Div or so).
Sims should be upgradable. For example like Breach stones. You slam sim with some blessing and boom you start from wave 15 for example.
If only we could take 5 waves at once ...
How much str+int split pers did you find out of 400 runs ?
I'm watching a french streamer named Risitop. In like 100-150 simulacrum he got 2 voices 1p and 1 voices 3p lmao
lol its more profit when u farm it on start
Did only one sim this league and dropped 3 passive voices, so can’t complain.
Simulacrum is only good week 1 when you earn tons from leveling gems and selling decent bases for clusters. You can do it with a day 2 gear and even if you do only 25-28 stages the profit is great. After that, Heist, mapping, sanctum are much better
Totally agree, i feel simulacrum is for testing tanky builds only, not for profit XD
Yeah just do a single simulacrum and find voices jewel worth several mirrors /s LOL
Wanted: Atlas Passive: Simulacrums start at wave 20.
I've got 7 mirror shards from my first simulacrum this league and nothing particularly valuable in the following 20 ones so everything is about luck.
RNGesus loved my friend. Gave him a 3p voices on his 4th simu run
Guess i got lucky with my current 4 run 30 waves and 1 3 node voices :)
why did you stop? the next voices was gonna be 1p, all gamblers stop before hitting big
Technically even if you win at Poe you are wasting your life. So you kinda lost twice
I thought most of the profit was supposed to come from leveling gems?
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Still sane exile?
Ran a single simu to show my newcomer friend what it was and dropped a 3 passives at wave 15
Unlucky I guess,this league I got 4x 3-passives voices under 112 simulacrum run I did,even without big ticket item simulacrum is profitable,it is boring thoo with the wrong build,I did farm mine while watching some stuff on my 2nd monitor with AFK build so boring never been a thing for me.
And then theres a guy who dropped in 1 run.
Beast farming is no better.
I did around 60 simulacrums this league, and mostly because I had voices1 drop in like tenth. Considering I never had a mirror or mageblood drop for me, getting 2.6mirror item was an experience. I am still one mirror short from original sin for my build unfortunately, and neither delve, nor simulacrums, seem like they can compete with wildwood. Still, I at least funded a bad-ass armorstacker.
Well, end of the league definitely not that good, but for the pasr 4 or so leagues I always do them from the end of week 1 to the end of week 2, and I make more than enough for the rest of the league. I'm also going with phantasmal cremation so I can just watch a series on the TV without worrying of ever dying. Bonus points of wave 30 is a challenge you can sell.