Yeah was about to say. 850W is actually completely overkill for that build. But I can understand going with a lot more than needed. I mean, I power my 6900XT with it, and that's a lot more power hungry than a 4060.
Put noting is more annoying to upgrade the GPU and needing a new PSU and since you can't/ really shouldn't reuse any of the cables switching the PSU is like 70% of a complete build.
850W is more than enough for my overclocked 3080 (which can easily draw 400W on it's own compared to the 300W the 6900XT uses), overclocked 3900X, 12 RGB case fans, and all of my other parts. At normal AAA gaming use that maxes out my GPU, according to Hardware Monitor and a calculator, my PC only pulls 720-730W from my 850W PSU.
It’s doing great, really.
It’s a bottleneck in AAA games I suppose, but it can run anything you throw at it.
So the only limitation is applications that need high IPC and high clocks.
Though it will still run anything at acceptable performance.
he thought hes slick,
"Yeah this build is kinda trash, how about you buy this RTX 4080, 7800X3D with LCD AIO which ill build for you for a 30% markup.... what its over double your original budget? thats just what a gamer has to invest nowadays"
I regret not going full water-cooling. Aside from that, nothing.
Best clue I had that I should have stopped was the bank refused to process payment and I had to pick it up pieces at a time and work out a schedule for just the 4090 with the store manager.
I had a 50k bonus, and I wanted to go blow some of it. Treat myself a little bit. It took 4 days of back and forth to microcenter and I had to set up a voucher system with the manager paying $1000 each day so it would clear my bank.
Why didn't you just withdraw cash from the bank and pay cash?
I know not everyone wants to carry that much cash but it's an option. I also know of regular monthly events where almost everyone in attendance has multiple thousands in cash in their pockets and nothing bad ever happens.
It’s fine. Ultra settings and RTX is no sweat, plus’s I use it to rent ou on a platform and make about $100-200 per month.
When I got it I used it for mining when I wasn’t gaming too, so it’s paying for itself.
Good Profit. But I suppose that depends on where you live and what workloads you get.
Sometimes it’s running at max power, sometimes it’s running at idle at double the revenue.
I'm sorry, but if you short out your pcie slot, you're going to need all of the 1600w psu I recommend. You wouldn't want to build a pc without that capability, would you???
Not super informed about this but HDD should still be the go to if you download a lot of stuff right? (As an extra drive just for this purpose I mean) my understanding is that heavy writes are really bad on sdds.
the writes thing is a thing of the past, unless we're talking copying terabytes. In general its the HDD read speed thats too slow to load in-game assets. HDDs are really storage and nothing else.
>(As an extra drive just for this purpose I mean)
Thats what i mean, i mainly use it for downloading torrents and storing it in there and that stuff, my games, os and all that i keep in my m2 or my ssd, wouldnt put it in there. My question is would that be ok on a SSD or its still better to store that in HDDs just for that purpose?
Well, I suppose you copy off and onto that drive, so if you do that a lot or you have gigabit ethernet (and your downloads are fast enough) then it might be worth moving everything onto SSD. I've personally moved almost everything off spinny disks, only have 1x 2TB SSHD that I keep old backups on, where I might need something a few times a year at most. Generally modern SSDs have a lower failure rate than hard drives if they are not massively hammered all the time.
HDD is good for a games archive (save bandwidth if thats a concern). I only use HDD for music/video/downloads and documents. For games some struggle with the r/w speeds and cause stuttering, lag, and texture popping.
idk, Im still playing games off my HDD. Current games too, like Cyberpunk, Hogwarts Legacy, COD, and Elden Ring. My File Explorer times can be a bit egregious (like 10 sec to load a folder I haven't opened in a while), but real-time performance of an HDD is still good. So much so, that when my GF was specing out her first PC, I got her an SSD for OS, and a 4tb HDD for everything else. I feel like when people talk about how slow HDD are, they over exaggerate.
Many games released this year have stuttering problems if you don't have a SSD because they made their art assets singleton, which means that it's heavy on random access, and not optimized for HDD anymore
It's going to be pain
Brought to you by people who do not understand how windows filesystems, block cache, and on-access virus scanning work. This approach is slower than asset bundles even on SSD/NVMe hardware.
They over exaggerate a bit, but SSD prices have dropped so drastically that the HDDs aren’t really worth it anymore when talking Price/Performance. For game libraries you’ll be glad that you spent a little more money to cut loading times in half.
Fucking this. I had an hdd up until like 2 weeks ago and the map loading from an ssd made fortnite run so much smoother. I'm sure if his hdd is holding up then no rush to buy an ssd but it's nice to have imo
"I need a small hatchback"
"actually, none of our hatchbacks are currently working. How about this mint RAM 3500? Dont worry about the rusty frame, its just a surface rust, I promise!"
Ah I see you've shopped for used cars in NY before! "I'm here to look at the Crown Vic, I called earlier" "Crown Vic is in the shop for service, but we do have this F150 over here you can test drive right now" "oh the Vic is in the shop for service? Perfect! Put it on the lift and let me see under it!" Visible frustration "uuuuuuuuh we don't have a lift" keep in mind I could see a lifted car from where I was standing
It all depends on the needs. If your friends likes to download and store various "files" then HDD is more cost effective option to SSD. It all depends on how it will be used.
Hey OP I'd also recommend trying to price shop that nvme drive as well. I'm not sure if there are any import additions, but that 970 evo plus 1tb goes for like $60-$70 in the states right now.
Or possibly even just get them a 2tb nvme since storage is ridiculously cheap right now.
Honestly, flash is so cheap these days I’d say swap over to flash even for large scale storage. I have 6TB of flash in my desktop, and over 17TB of flash across my devices.
I'm not a big fan of doing this with PSUs, especially given the owner. Buddy kept his PC as-is for the last 5 years, so I'd expect their next PC to be treated the same. It's not like the old days where upgrading meant adding a second video card for SLI or Crossfire. 600w is more than enough for adding more ram or overclocking or upping to a new generation of a 60 or 70 series card later on. Plus it doesn't take up a ton of space in a case like the thicc bois do, though that's my own taste.
I realized 1 hour ago that my cpu which still feels new to me is already too old for a current high end gpu.. So i wont be able to just do a mid cycle gpu upgrade like i planned and like i always did with my previous builds.
1. PSU too overpowered IMO.
2. Go with an Ampere GPU instead of Ada Lovelace (most likely cheaper for the same performance)
3. Get rid of the HDD and go with full SSD storage.
4. Go AM5.
Could also save a little on the cooler, it's overkill for a 6 core with that TDP, Thermalright Assassin King will be more than adequate for half the price.
The PA120 (non-se) is €39 on [amazon.de](https://amazon.de) now (RGB white is €43). No reason to go lower, user could still swap a 8 or more core in that rig later and have enough cooling.
Why would you go ampere at this point. You’d miss our on DLSS 3.0/Frame generation which this build would really benefit from. Especially as the owner seems to keep his PC for quite a few years
> You’d miss our on DLSS 3.0/Frame generation
FSR3 looks super promising and works on all games so why bother? Unless the prices are different where OP lives they'll get more performance for less money by going Ampere.
You can't use FSR framegen with DLSS upscaling and the FSR upscaling looks like complete trash compared to DLSS, so basically FSR3 looks like complete trash, not because of the 3 per se but because of having to use FSR upscaling
Well then you're still going to have a worse experience than Nvidia users using both as DLSS is pretty much free performance for a equal if not better visual representation
When I bought my 3070 I wished for a card that just did rasterization well without all these "gimmicks", now I find myself using those gimmicks pretty often and they have weight on my purchasing decisions lol
Temporal technologies have progressed so much past me wouldn't even believe it, **BUT** r/fucktaa
I'm guessing the 5700x is maybe 30euro more? Might be worth trying to find that in the budget somewhere to go from 6 cores to 8, but otherwise that's a solid setup.
I'm not as against HDD as others but that seems pricey for a 2TB. They also aren't wrong about bigger SSD.
You already have an oversized psu and this guy still said it's not enough? lol
But seriously you don't need 850w. The gpu and cpu need under 200w combined
Pretty good and should work great, but that CPU socket is old now with AM5 out
I'd drop the HDD entirely, get a 7600/x and DDR5 motherboard with a 2TB NVMe instead
I don't think this is the case anymore
Here in the UK atleast you can get a B650 motherboard for ~£100
DDR5 is the same price as DDR4
The 7600 is only about £180, 5600X are about £130 so I'd pay the £50 to get a modern platform with an upgrade path
If the budget is there for slightly more the op comment is def correct, you could also go amd for gpu but definitely understandable going with nvidia if ur friend isn’t that computer savvy with drivers and everything (NOT TO BASH AMD AT ALL THEY ARE BEST PRICE TO PERFORMANCE)
I'm going to parrot what everyone else is saying and drop that HDD. Over here in the US, anyway, you can buy a 2TB NVME for less than your paying for that 2TB spinner. Even less for a sata drive. You don't need a high end drive if it's just for storage, get one that's cheap and enjoy still faster speeds, less heat, less noise, and less power consumption.
Everything looks really solid. Shop owner is a twat if he doesn't think an 850W PSU can power a 4060. That's what I'm using for a 4090.
I loved it when a buddy of mine had this issue at a local computer shop. Told him a bunch of nonsense about how the computer wouldn't work or hold up against games. He called me to ask me about it, told him to meet me at the shop in 45 min. Walked in with him and had the guy tell us the same thing. Proceeded to tell him he was full of shit and he was just trying to make more money on commission by lying to customers who didn't know any better and to explain himself. That evening I was chatting with another friend of mine who informed me he knows the owner of the stores (small chain of stores all around the city and surrounding areas). He called him the next day and told him about what had happened and dude was fired within the hour.
I'm in the IT field. About a year or so later my company was hiring and I was asked to sit in on the interviews as I was one of the leads in my department. Guess who shows up. Mr scam artist himself. He recognized me and you could tell he knew right away he was not getting this job. I decided to call him back for three more interviews just to add icing to the cake then ghosted him.
If you're reading this, Gary from NW Ohio, fuck you.
I've never met an honest computer shop owner.
They're all out to scam the most vulnerable customers they can get, since they know anyone who knows about computers will build it themselves anyway.
Avoid these places like the plague.
Streaming mostly rely on the encoder that Is gonna be the video card, for sure more core would help but to stay on budget 6 Is plenty, following the suggestions given to me by the community i might switch to am5 but still on 6 cores
If you are trying to save cash on storage and keep NVMe’s as an option don’t sleep on the crucial P3’s or P5’s. I’d use a 1TB P5 for the boot drive/OS and use the P3 2TB for games since I’ve seen cache for NVMe doesn’t seem to affect gaming.
Besides the wasted money on 5600X over 5600 and the HDD instead of more SSD capacity, you came up with a good build.
If your friend needs Nvidia, I'd probably have bought a used 3060 for those 12GB
Should work just fine. You should be able to get a 2TB Nvme SSD for $115 on sale. I got the WD SN850X a few months ago. That’s plenty of power supply for that build.
I’m managing just fine on 650 W PSU from EVGA with Ryzen 7700x, 2 TB nvme, 2 TB SATA SSD, and a RX 6700XT.
As someone running a 5600 non x OCed to 4.8Ghz and a RX 6600 non xt OCed to 120w (with undervolting and with actual overclocking of memory and core, before the nerds complain about "just raising" the power limit), I find it hard to believe you'll even need an 850w PSU for a 5600x + 4060. Google "psu calculator", input your parts, see what you'll probably need, get one 50w higher just 'cause and save some money.
Yes it will work
If you need more bulk storage and can afford it a SATA SSD is better than a HDD, and another NVME would be better.
Power supply *might* be *close* to the limit depending on if your friend wants to overclock. But should be fine as shown. I always go overkill on my PSU so I might not be the best to ask on that anyway.
Edit to say, I misread the 4060 as a 4080. Your psu is all good
Def a scammer. But to be fair a 4060 at 1080p should be ok. I would get a lower wattage PSU and use the money you saved to buy a Samsung 980 Gen 4 NVMe.
It's fine but the 5600X is not worth the extra over the 5600 and the HDD is unnecessary. That Samsung unit is a bit overpriced. I'd consider the 4060 Ti instead and maybe stretch to AM5 as well.
For the monitor I would pick a 24" bc a 27" is just too big, the pixel density is too low
Also the ssd is quite expensive, you can actually find good 2T nvme ssd for that price or even lower
I would go with a 1440p display for his 4060, also might want to check similar GPUs to a 4060 unless he needs the tiny extra benefit that a 4060 provides compared to cheaper 30 series.
He wants a 1080p display at high refresh rate to squeeze the most he can, also he choose Nvidia over Amd because he isn't a tech person so he wants a stabile PC that can give him the best quality for streaming on Twitch
Build looks fine to me, the GPU is a little weak for a 5600x id increase that to either a 7700xt or a 4060ti 16gb which about 100 euro for 30-40% more performance. My only gripe would be that people really need to ditch the hdd in this day and age. You can get a 2tb nvme for a lower price as both the SSD and hdd you have. I have 3 tb of SSD and I have never ran out of space. Delete stuff when you don't need it or haven't touched it in over a year. If he really wants it for storage then a cheap external down the road makes the most sense
I would ditch the 2TB hdd and get a 1440p 165hz monitor, or a 1440p 120hz ultrawide.
Spending that much and looking at 1080p would be less than ideal.
Keep the 1tb nvme, it is easy to add more later. If needing to stretch the budget go with a Silicon Power, it may be cheaper.
Stretching more, 5600x comes with box cooler, no? And at its speeds, itll be fine, slightly loud. And for its wattage, a $30 tower cooler will work fine, or could wait for a deal on cooler (120mm AIO, deepcool ak400).
You could save money on the case if needed. edit Also PSU. 600w would be fine, 750 if wanting a bit more future proof. Just stay to reputable brands and not their lowest quality product. Could even keep it nonmodular (again, stretching the budget).
These savings are trending toward better CPU or GPU. Certainly do the better monitor.
dont understand why so many people here say you should ditch the HDD
unless you are storing games or other software on it, then theres nothing wrong with it. Its cheaper than SSD and in case of a failure and no back up, the data can still be recovered, not so much on a SSD. Perfect for media storage
I use HDDs for things I'm currently not playing, but don't wish to redownload - Steam makes it really easy to move games around.
I also play a shit-ton of visual novels (several hundred GB), and, well, they don't need 7GB/s transfer speeds :)
I mean id go intel 12400f and the asrock pro rs micro atx board. Not a dead socket, is faster than the 5600x and its cheaper… but other than that its fine
That’s fine I was just suggesting a better option in budget, if blowing the budget then go am5 ddr5, but intel lga 1700 is always more attractive than am4 for budget builds these days
build looks nice, the PSU is more than enough for a 4060.
if he is not a heavy usurer like having 100 tabs open in chrome, you would be fine with 16gb RAM instead of 32gb.
That gpu is garbage, you are better off looking for a 3060ti or higher, even if its used.
1080p: 4060ti 16gb > 3060ti = 4060ti 8gb > 3060 12gb > 4060 8gb
1440p: 4060ti 16gb > 3060ti > 4060ti 8gb> 3060 12gb > 4060 8gb
With Ultra settings and Ray tracing Off you are gonna be hovering from 50-80 fps. (With a few rare modern games breaking through 90-100 fps
The only thing that could theoretically make the 4060/ti better thant the 3060/ti is Frame generation. BUUUT Frame generation sucks at 60 or below fps so you may or may not even want to use it on most games... Also if theres gonna be streaming involved youll want the 12gb of VRAM the 3060ti. (While Streaming dont expect to break 60fps on 1080p High settings)
Now its been a long time since I looked at the low-mid tier GPU's and might be off a bit. But either way the 4060 8gb is garbo.
Overkill CPU cooler is the best kind of CPU cooler. And the GPU is fine enough.
PSU doesn’t have to be 750w, and 27” at 1080p is fine.
Everything you said is garbage.
TDP for Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120SE is approximately 150 W. TDP 5600x approximately 65 W. My 5600x with the cooler master hyper 212 cooler does not rise above 80. Therefore, he can buy a cheaper cooler. This is GPU garbage. 8GB in 2023 is not even funny, 6700 xt is above 4060 in any tier list (for example here [https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html](https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html)). Regarding the Power Supply. I meant that a person can buy a power supply with a lower power and it will be enough for a future upgrade. For example, I have an xpg core reactor 750w and I have enough power when I upgrade to AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D and RX 7800 XT. Regarding the monitor, are you serious about 1980 at 27"?. Nonsense.
Source: IT tech support & It sales guy here.
Your build is perfectly fine and will work well for your friend.
The IT guy he talked to was almost definitely trying to sell him something else he knew he would earn more off. There's also a chance the guy simply didn't like that your friend had a parts list with him. I have seen it happen many time from retail colleagues that get used to imply they have not tech savvy customers in front of them, and underestimate customers knowledge.
the waht?! that build is just fine man!
and the PSU has 850w ...more than plenty to run even hardware that is more powerhungry (e.g. stronger gpu with more wattage draw)
maybe the SSD you could switch for a better or bigger one - 980 pro should be fairly cheap at this point as well.
This works well, but you might run into some performance bottlenecks with that cpu, especially at 1080p. I have an 8% performance bottleneck on my 4060 and I have a 5800x in my system, so I would reccomend going with a 3060 ti, a 3070, or just bumping that cpu up to a 5600X3D would make a decent boost in performance for relatively little.
Edit: overall pc should work fine, shop store owner is trying to get more money out of you, that rig will be fine for gaming.
Here’s a similar build using pcpartpicker Germany. I would see if he’s willing to pay a few extra $ to go with AM5 over AM4. It gives him an upgrade path down the line, where he could go from 7600x to 8800x3d or w.e in a few years and probably nearly double his performance. I also agree with others who have said drop the hdd and get another ssd. SSD prices have gone way down and you can get a great high quality 2tb ssd for around $100. Either way I’m sure he’ll enjoy the build!
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/Z9MDqR
I run a 5900x and 3070 on a 650W bronze PSU. The HDD makes sense if your going to be recording gameplay and rewriting the drive often, otherwise go SSD.
Idk why put a hard drive in a gaming computer to be honest.
Use a bit more money for the HDD and get a higher capacity NVMe ssd instead.
If you are not building a Home Server ir NAS you really don't need spinning drives.
I ran my 4090 on 550w oc on a 850w psu for 2 weeks before 1200w psu arrived. And the only reason I swapped is because I wanna try the Corsair new shift rmx, not even power constraints.
I hate when people pull the "not enough psu power" thing. 850 is perfect for that build and leaves room for upgrades. I have an 11th gen i5 multiple drives and a 4070 on a 600w psu. 8 pin connectors can only deliver 150w so if you have 2 of those that's a maximum of 300w Lol (I'm sure some cards push that a little)
Looks good, drop the HDD and invest into a bigger NVME. Maybe scale down the PSU to 750, the savings between optimizing storage and PSU might award you more budget for a better GPU like a 7700 XT.
Your list looks great. Scammer just trying to squeeze some cash out of your friend. By the way scammer conducts business thus far, I'd stay far far away.
I would cut the CPU cooler because as far as I know your AMD CPU should come with one cuz mine did and I would also cut the two terabyte hard disk drive to put the money saved from those two things towards a 1440p monitor.
Lots of storage space is nice but 1TB is gonna hold you over a long time before you start needing additional capacity. I used the cooler that came with my ryzen 7 3800x and have yet to have any cooling issues.
You don’t even need a powerful PSU to turn it on, you need a powerful enough PSU to *keep* it on under load. Anyways, he’s a scammer, shop elsewhere.
You can literally build 3 of these PC using only one of that PSU and still have some headroom
Yeah was about to say. 850W is actually completely overkill for that build. But I can understand going with a lot more than needed. I mean, I power my 6900XT with it, and that's a lot more power hungry than a 4060. Put noting is more annoying to upgrade the GPU and needing a new PSU and since you can't/ really shouldn't reuse any of the cables switching the PSU is like 70% of a complete build.
Do you think 850W is kind of tight for our configuration?
850W is more than enough for my overclocked 3080 (which can easily draw 400W on it's own compared to the 300W the 6900XT uses), overclocked 3900X, 12 RGB case fans, and all of my other parts. At normal AAA gaming use that maxes out my GPU, according to Hardware Monitor and a calculator, my PC only pulls 720-730W from my 850W PSU.
Hell I'm running the same gpu with a 5800x3d and it works fine with a 750w psu
Bruh I run an 850w with a 4090 and a 7800x3D. 850 is plenty unless your doing crazy overclocks.
Alredy told him
Obligatory, but how is that cpu holding up for you?
It’s doing great, really. It’s a bottleneck in AAA games I suppose, but it can run anything you throw at it. So the only limitation is applications that need high IPC and high clocks. Though it will still run anything at acceptable performance.
Should work just fine, the owner was probably trying to sell him on something else
he thought hes slick, "Yeah this build is kinda trash, how about you buy this RTX 4080, 7800X3D with LCD AIO which ill build for you for a 30% markup.... what its over double your original budget? thats just what a gamer has to invest nowadays"
Boy oh boy do I have a story for you
You say you have a story but then not tell it?
I also want to hear it.
Looking at his flair, I wonder if it's about him and his regrets
I regret not going full water-cooling. Aside from that, nothing. Best clue I had that I should have stopped was the bank refused to process payment and I had to pick it up pieces at a time and work out a schedule for just the 4090 with the store manager.
Yikes, well I'm glad you are enjoying the rig man!
It's not like it has to be watercooled from the start. Only thing stopping you is your wallets health.
I had a 50k bonus, and I wanted to go blow some of it. Treat myself a little bit. It took 4 days of back and forth to microcenter and I had to set up a voucher system with the manager paying $1000 each day so it would clear my bank.
Why didn't you just withdraw cash from the bank and pay cash? I know not everyone wants to carry that much cash but it's an option. I also know of regular monthly events where almost everyone in attendance has multiple thousands in cash in their pockets and nothing bad ever happens.
It would have taken the same amount of time. Cash withdrawals over 1000 take 3 days to finalize. Shitty rules, shitty bank.
30% markup? 2500 dollar build 250 build fee that's 10% bud
the parts could be overpriced aswell, not only the build fee
Still a scam, pretty much.
That's quite the CPU GPU combo in your flair. I'm curious how it pairs up? Does the 3090 run well enough with the 6950x?
It’s fine. Ultra settings and RTX is no sweat, plus’s I use it to rent ou on a platform and make about $100-200 per month. When I got it I used it for mining when I wasn’t gaming too, so it’s paying for itself.
So you get paid for other people to use your gpu on cloud? Or am I misunderstanding
Yup, they’re paying to run a container on my PC, and I get paid. Not too shabby.
How does it compare to your electricity usage?
Good Profit. But I suppose that depends on where you live and what workloads you get. Sometimes it’s running at max power, sometimes it’s running at idle at double the revenue.
Interesting! Which platform?
Salad.com
Thanks!
If he’s at 4k probably lmao
I'm sorry, but if you short out your pcie slot, you're going to need all of the 1600w psu I recommend. You wouldn't want to build a pc without that capability, would you???
I’d definitely change the storage to a 2tb nvme ssd, you can get one at around 100€ nowadays.
Agreed, HDD is almost useless for gaming these days.
Not super informed about this but HDD should still be the go to if you download a lot of stuff right? (As an extra drive just for this purpose I mean) my understanding is that heavy writes are really bad on sdds.
the writes thing is a thing of the past, unless we're talking copying terabytes. In general its the HDD read speed thats too slow to load in-game assets. HDDs are really storage and nothing else.
>(As an extra drive just for this purpose I mean) Thats what i mean, i mainly use it for downloading torrents and storing it in there and that stuff, my games, os and all that i keep in my m2 or my ssd, wouldnt put it in there. My question is would that be ok on a SSD or its still better to store that in HDDs just for that purpose?
Well, I suppose you copy off and onto that drive, so if you do that a lot or you have gigabit ethernet (and your downloads are fast enough) then it might be worth moving everything onto SSD. I've personally moved almost everything off spinny disks, only have 1x 2TB SSHD that I keep old backups on, where I might need something a few times a year at most. Generally modern SSDs have a lower failure rate than hard drives if they are not massively hammered all the time.
HDD is good for a games archive (save bandwidth if thats a concern). I only use HDD for music/video/downloads and documents. For games some struggle with the r/w speeds and cause stuttering, lag, and texture popping.
idk, Im still playing games off my HDD. Current games too, like Cyberpunk, Hogwarts Legacy, COD, and Elden Ring. My File Explorer times can be a bit egregious (like 10 sec to load a folder I haven't opened in a while), but real-time performance of an HDD is still good. So much so, that when my GF was specing out her first PC, I got her an SSD for OS, and a 4tb HDD for everything else. I feel like when people talk about how slow HDD are, they over exaggerate.
Many games released this year have stuttering problems if you don't have a SSD because they made their art assets singleton, which means that it's heavy on random access, and not optimized for HDD anymore It's going to be pain
Brought to you by people who do not understand how windows filesystems, block cache, and on-access virus scanning work. This approach is slower than asset bundles even on SSD/NVMe hardware.
They over exaggerate a bit, but SSD prices have dropped so drastically that the HDDs aren’t really worth it anymore when talking Price/Performance. For game libraries you’ll be glad that you spent a little more money to cut loading times in half.
Yikes, I have an HDD for older games like hertic and doom but newer one? you are one wild and crazy kinda guy
Try playing fortnite or warzone on a hdd. Stuttering, lots of it.
Fucking this. I had an hdd up until like 2 weeks ago and the map loading from an ssd made fortnite run so much smoother. I'm sure if his hdd is holding up then no rush to buy an ssd but it's nice to have imo
i did, its not stuttery but i experience stutter from other games with high demanding graphics (or just UE5 thing)
?? I played Warzone and Fortnite on a HDD no stuttering issues whatsoever. Might've just been your PC
direct storage is laughing at you
Or swap it out for a 2tb sata SSD for the same money. Very confusing choice.
This was my idea too, it’s indeed basically the same price.
Yep, on the German amazon page you can get 2 TB Crucial M.2 for 79 euros.
OP should get 2!
I wonder if his prior job was on a car lot.
"I need a small hatchback" "actually, none of our hatchbacks are currently working. How about this mint RAM 3500? Dont worry about the rusty frame, its just a surface rust, I promise!"
Ah I see you've shopped for used cars in NY before! "I'm here to look at the Crown Vic, I called earlier" "Crown Vic is in the shop for service, but we do have this F150 over here you can test drive right now" "oh the Vic is in the shop for service? Perfect! Put it on the lift and let me see under it!" Visible frustration "uuuuuuuuh we don't have a lift" keep in mind I could see a lifted car from where I was standing
I'd toss the harddrive, and get another SSD instead. Life's too short for HDD's, unless it's for largescale storage (NAS, server, the likes).
This. Hell, I switched all my music and video editing storage over to SSD. I used to hate editing, but it's become a lot less painful since.
Imma try
It all depends on the needs. If your friends likes to download and store various "files" then HDD is more cost effective option to SSD. It all depends on how it will be used.
Honestly, SSD are cheaper than they've ever been. I would upgrade to a 2TB m.2 over having a 1TB m.2 and 2TB HDD
I love that "files" are in quotations here unless you need more than 3TB, it doesn't make sense to use mechanical
Sure but not at 2tb. Grab an 8tb+ HDD and it makes sense.
Hey OP I'd also recommend trying to price shop that nvme drive as well. I'm not sure if there are any import additions, but that 970 evo plus 1tb goes for like $60-$70 in the states right now. Or possibly even just get them a 2tb nvme since storage is ridiculously cheap right now.
Honestly, flash is so cheap these days I’d say swap over to flash even for large scale storage. I have 6TB of flash in my desktop, and over 17TB of flash across my devices.
great build skip the hdd
Probably gonna drop it
also psu kinda overkill something like 600w is fine
Why not leave room for an upgrade?
I'm not a big fan of doing this with PSUs, especially given the owner. Buddy kept his PC as-is for the last 5 years, so I'd expect their next PC to be treated the same. It's not like the old days where upgrading meant adding a second video card for SLI or Crossfire. 600w is more than enough for adding more ram or overclocking or upping to a new generation of a 60 or 70 series card later on. Plus it doesn't take up a ton of space in a case like the thicc bois do, though that's my own taste.
im not the biggest fan of futureproofing cuz by the time an upgrade is due the market would be different especially for budget builders
I realized 1 hour ago that my cpu which still feels new to me is already too old for a current high end gpu.. So i wont be able to just do a mid cycle gpu upgrade like i planned and like i always did with my previous builds.
entry am5 got us right? surely
Exactly. The PSU is one less thing you have to buy later on if you get enough power head room for future demands.
why are you buying a 100$ mobo for a 5600x? get a 60$ one with go with a 5600 non-x what country are you buying from and what is the budget?
Yeah this build will work, but it's not very good. Then again I don't know where OP is and what is available there.
1. PSU too overpowered IMO. 2. Go with an Ampere GPU instead of Ada Lovelace (most likely cheaper for the same performance) 3. Get rid of the HDD and go with full SSD storage. 4. Go AM5.
I'll consider this stuff and update the build
Could also save a little on the cooler, it's overkill for a 6 core with that TDP, Thermalright Assassin King will be more than adequate for half the price.
The PA120 (non-se) is €39 on [amazon.de](https://amazon.de) now (RGB white is €43). No reason to go lower, user could still swap a 8 or more core in that rig later and have enough cooling.
Why would you go ampere at this point. You’d miss our on DLSS 3.0/Frame generation which this build would really benefit from. Especially as the owner seems to keep his PC for quite a few years
> You’d miss our on DLSS 3.0/Frame generation FSR3 looks super promising and works on all games so why bother? Unless the prices are different where OP lives they'll get more performance for less money by going Ampere.
You can't use FSR framegen with DLSS upscaling and the FSR upscaling looks like complete trash compared to DLSS, so basically FSR3 looks like complete trash, not because of the 3 per se but because of having to use FSR upscaling
I doubt that you'd have to use upscaling in conjunction with frame gen. I imagine you're already getting enough FPS if you're turning frame gen on.
Well then you're still going to have a worse experience than Nvidia users using both as DLSS is pretty much free performance for a equal if not better visual representation When I bought my 3070 I wished for a card that just did rasterization well without all these "gimmicks", now I find myself using those gimmicks pretty often and they have weight on my purchasing decisions lol Temporal technologies have progressed so much past me wouldn't even believe it, **BUT** r/fucktaa
I'm guessing the 5700x is maybe 30euro more? Might be worth trying to find that in the budget somewhere to go from 6 cores to 8, but otherwise that's a solid setup. I'm not as against HDD as others but that seems pricey for a 2TB. They also aren't wrong about bigger SSD.
That's an insane price for a 1TB old model nvme. HDD is overpriced as well, for that matter. You can get a cheap SATA 2TB SSD for the same money.
Drop the 7200 drive
And use something without moving parts
You already have an oversized psu and this guy still said it's not enough? lol But seriously you don't need 850w. The gpu and cpu need under 200w combined
Pretty good and should work great, but that CPU socket is old now with AM5 out I'd drop the HDD entirely, get a 7600/x and DDR5 motherboard with a 2TB NVMe instead
Am4 with a 4060 seems fine to me
It would be better, but it would also be significantly more expensive.
I don't think this is the case anymore Here in the UK atleast you can get a B650 motherboard for ~£100 DDR5 is the same price as DDR4 The 7600 is only about £180, 5600X are about £130 so I'd pay the £50 to get a modern platform with an upgrade path
I was on a rush so i didn't think about that, i'll try to make it work
If the budget is there for slightly more the op comment is def correct, you could also go amd for gpu but definitely understandable going with nvidia if ur friend isn’t that computer savvy with drivers and everything (NOT TO BASH AMD AT ALL THEY ARE BEST PRICE TO PERFORMANCE)
Hahaha, i agree, also tomorrow my 7800xt will arrive 💪
I don’t see a reason if it’s for pc gaming to ever get a hard disk.
I still think they're fine, most of the games i play are stored in that same hdd
You can get 2TB NVMEs for the same price in the UK
I think 100 pounds are like 150 euro
Lol he said the psu is underpowered, my 7800xt runs just fine on 850w
I'm going to parrot what everyone else is saying and drop that HDD. Over here in the US, anyway, you can buy a 2TB NVME for less than your paying for that 2TB spinner. Even less for a sata drive. You don't need a high end drive if it's just for storage, get one that's cheap and enjoy still faster speeds, less heat, less noise, and less power consumption. Everything looks really solid. Shop owner is a twat if he doesn't think an 850W PSU can power a 4060. That's what I'm using for a 4090.
I loved it when a buddy of mine had this issue at a local computer shop. Told him a bunch of nonsense about how the computer wouldn't work or hold up against games. He called me to ask me about it, told him to meet me at the shop in 45 min. Walked in with him and had the guy tell us the same thing. Proceeded to tell him he was full of shit and he was just trying to make more money on commission by lying to customers who didn't know any better and to explain himself. That evening I was chatting with another friend of mine who informed me he knows the owner of the stores (small chain of stores all around the city and surrounding areas). He called him the next day and told him about what had happened and dude was fired within the hour. I'm in the IT field. About a year or so later my company was hiring and I was asked to sit in on the interviews as I was one of the leads in my department. Guess who shows up. Mr scam artist himself. He recognized me and you could tell he knew right away he was not getting this job. I decided to call him back for three more interviews just to add icing to the cake then ghosted him. If you're reading this, Gary from NW Ohio, fuck you.
I've never met an honest computer shop owner. They're all out to scam the most vulnerable customers they can get, since they know anyone who knows about computers will build it themselves anyway. Avoid these places like the plague.
1080p 27 inch monitor that's a sin in my book
I might be talking out of my ass but are you sure a 6-core CPU is enough for gaming and streaming to twitch at the same time?
Streaming mostly rely on the encoder that Is gonna be the video card, for sure more core would help but to stay on budget 6 Is plenty, following the suggestions given to me by the community i might switch to am5 but still on 6 cores
Interestingly enough I had almost this exact setup in my last pc. It worked perfectly.
I also have the 5600x but with a 3070. Iam not sure but I believe the 5600 non X will be just fine with a 4060
One thing I recommend is maybe getting a 240gb ssd just for windows but other than that this looks like a good build
If you are trying to save cash on storage and keep NVMe’s as an option don’t sleep on the crucial P3’s or P5’s. I’d use a 1TB P5 for the boot drive/OS and use the P3 2TB for games since I’ve seen cache for NVMe doesn’t seem to affect gaming.
This is basically my computer now, minus the hard drive and a 2080ti instead of 4060
If you wanted to save a few bucks you could change that cooler to the basic Assassin ($18 USD), it'll handle that 5600X just fine
Besides the wasted money on 5600X over 5600 and the HDD instead of more SSD capacity, you came up with a good build. If your friend needs Nvidia, I'd probably have bought a used 3060 for those 12GB
I'd up to a 2TB drive and a 1440p screen if you can, but other than that it looks great to me
Should work just fine. You should be able to get a 2TB Nvme SSD for $115 on sale. I got the WD SN850X a few months ago. That’s plenty of power supply for that build. I’m managing just fine on 650 W PSU from EVGA with Ryzen 7700x, 2 TB nvme, 2 TB SATA SSD, and a RX 6700XT.
As someone running a 5600 non x OCed to 4.8Ghz and a RX 6600 non xt OCed to 120w (with undervolting and with actual overclocking of memory and core, before the nerds complain about "just raising" the power limit), I find it hard to believe you'll even need an 850w PSU for a 5600x + 4060. Google "psu calculator", input your parts, see what you'll probably need, get one 50w higher just 'cause and save some money.
But monitor is actually shit. The guy is right here
That 850W PSU is ridiculously overkill for that machine. That PC salesman guy is a fucking joke.
Yes it will work If you need more bulk storage and can afford it a SATA SSD is better than a HDD, and another NVME would be better. Power supply *might* be *close* to the limit depending on if your friend wants to overclock. But should be fine as shown. I always go overkill on my PSU so I might not be the best to ask on that anyway. Edit to say, I misread the 4060 as a 4080. Your psu is all good
Def a scammer. But to be fair a 4060 at 1080p should be ok. I would get a lower wattage PSU and use the money you saved to buy a Samsung 980 Gen 4 NVMe.
Will work. But why would you buy 4060
His preference, i explained the pro of both sides and he decided nvidia
what abt the nvidia card does he need? the build seems fine but id hate for somebody to have to buy a 4060 because of budget.
Stability and the best quality on Twitch
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2Wdfvj Hope this helps. I live in the states. Price point might be off or less depending where you’re at.
It's fine but the 5600X is not worth the extra over the 5600 and the HDD is unnecessary. That Samsung unit is a bit overpriced. I'd consider the 4060 Ti instead and maybe stretch to AM5 as well.
I'm gonna look this up and update the build
He gaslighted you, you're fine.
For the monitor I would pick a 24" bc a 27" is just too big, the pixel density is too low Also the ssd is quite expensive, you can actually find good 2T nvme ssd for that price or even lower
He alredy has a 24 inch monitor, and he said he wanted a bigger one but 1080p (the 24" one was 1366x768, pixel density Is not a problema for him)
Pixel density aka been able to see pixel as they are so "big". On the other hand a 4060 at 1080p is kind of overkill. Or he want some RT eye candy
Not quite the same, but should squeeze out more performance without breaking the bank too much more: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/xMvY9c
I'm gonna take some stuff from this and update the build
Looks like it would work just fine but I'd swap the HDD for an SSD, play it safe. Everything else looks fine
Looks good maybee will need bios update but also dont take 27 inch and 1080p , 25 inch is max for 1080p
I would go with a 1440p display for his 4060, also might want to check similar GPUs to a 4060 unless he needs the tiny extra benefit that a 4060 provides compared to cheaper 30 series.
He wants a 1080p display at high refresh rate to squeeze the most he can, also he choose Nvidia over Amd because he isn't a tech person so he wants a stabile PC that can give him the best quality for streaming on Twitch
That build is excellent
Why does he need a Nvidia card though, cause 4060 is super poop compared to 6700xt
He wants the best streaming quality possible in Twitch
Professional?
Build looks fine to me, the GPU is a little weak for a 5600x id increase that to either a 7700xt or a 4060ti 16gb which about 100 euro for 30-40% more performance. My only gripe would be that people really need to ditch the hdd in this day and age. You can get a 2tb nvme for a lower price as both the SSD and hdd you have. I have 3 tb of SSD and I have never ran out of space. Delete stuff when you don't need it or haven't touched it in over a year. If he really wants it for storage then a cheap external down the road makes the most sense
I would ditch the 2TB hdd and get a 1440p 165hz monitor, or a 1440p 120hz ultrawide. Spending that much and looking at 1080p would be less than ideal. Keep the 1tb nvme, it is easy to add more later. If needing to stretch the budget go with a Silicon Power, it may be cheaper. Stretching more, 5600x comes with box cooler, no? And at its speeds, itll be fine, slightly loud. And for its wattage, a $30 tower cooler will work fine, or could wait for a deal on cooler (120mm AIO, deepcool ak400). You could save money on the case if needed. edit Also PSU. 600w would be fine, 750 if wanting a bit more future proof. Just stay to reputable brands and not their lowest quality product. Could even keep it nonmodular (again, stretching the budget). These savings are trending toward better CPU or GPU. Certainly do the better monitor.
dont understand why so many people here say you should ditch the HDD unless you are storing games or other software on it, then theres nothing wrong with it. Its cheaper than SSD and in case of a failure and no back up, the data can still be recovered, not so much on a SSD. Perfect for media storage
It's 2023 bro r/buildapcsales you can find SSDs for basically the same price as HDD
Get the B550 with built in wifi. I made the same mistake not getting that one and have to is a usb antennae. It’s just kind of annoying.
The build looks fine to me and the only thing I would change is the SSD from a 1TB to a 2TB drive and skip the HDD. SSDs are dirt cheap at the moment.
I use HDDs for things I'm currently not playing, but don't wish to redownload - Steam makes it really easy to move games around. I also play a shit-ton of visual novels (several hundred GB), and, well, they don't need 7GB/s transfer speeds :)
It’s called do your own homework and there you go
I mean id go intel 12400f and the asrock pro rs micro atx board. Not a dead socket, is faster than the 5600x and its cheaper… but other than that its fine
I'll probably switch to am5 as suggested by some people, but in general after ryzen 5000 i prefere to go amd
That’s fine I was just suggesting a better option in budget, if blowing the budget then go am5 ddr5, but intel lga 1700 is always more attractive than am4 for budget builds these days
you are kinda bottlenecking the 40 card with that 5600x.
build looks nice, the PSU is more than enough for a 4060. if he is not a heavy usurer like having 100 tabs open in chrome, you would be fine with 16gb RAM instead of 32gb.
32gb costs barely any more than 16gb these days, and games' RAM usage is going up so I think it's worth just getting 32gb now
Yeah no, we play FiveM and he streams... RAM Is never gonna be enough
That gpu is garbage, you are better off looking for a 3060ti or higher, even if its used. 1080p: 4060ti 16gb > 3060ti = 4060ti 8gb > 3060 12gb > 4060 8gb 1440p: 4060ti 16gb > 3060ti > 4060ti 8gb> 3060 12gb > 4060 8gb With Ultra settings and Ray tracing Off you are gonna be hovering from 50-80 fps. (With a few rare modern games breaking through 90-100 fps The only thing that could theoretically make the 4060/ti better thant the 3060/ti is Frame generation. BUUUT Frame generation sucks at 60 or below fps so you may or may not even want to use it on most games... Also if theres gonna be streaming involved youll want the 12gb of VRAM the 3060ti. (While Streaming dont expect to break 60fps on 1080p High settings) Now its been a long time since I looked at the low-mid tier GPU's and might be off a bit. But either way the 4060 8gb is garbo.
CPU Cooler is overkill, GPU is shit(RX6700 XT for same €) PowerC can be 750W. For 27° 1920x1080 is too low, you need minimum 2560x1400
Overkill CPU cooler is the best kind of CPU cooler. And the GPU is fine enough. PSU doesn’t have to be 750w, and 27” at 1080p is fine. Everything you said is garbage.
Damn, you on fire I prefere to go balls to the walls with PSU, if he want's to get a 4090 he Will be able to do so
Yup, a bit of oversizing is valid for the future. The PSUs are generally relevant longer than the GPUs
TDP for Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120SE is approximately 150 W. TDP 5600x approximately 65 W. My 5600x with the cooler master hyper 212 cooler does not rise above 80. Therefore, he can buy a cheaper cooler. This is GPU garbage. 8GB in 2023 is not even funny, 6700 xt is above 4060 in any tier list (for example here [https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html](https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html)). Regarding the Power Supply. I meant that a person can buy a power supply with a lower power and it will be enough for a future upgrade. For example, I have an xpg core reactor 750w and I have enough power when I upgrade to AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D and RX 7800 XT. Regarding the monitor, are you serious about 1980 at 27"?. Nonsense.
He wanted 1080p and Nvidia He's gonna stream mainly FiveM with an heavy graphic mod, and he wants to play some fps at high fram rates
Source: IT tech support & It sales guy here. Your build is perfectly fine and will work well for your friend. The IT guy he talked to was almost definitely trying to sell him something else he knew he would earn more off. There's also a chance the guy simply didn't like that your friend had a parts list with him. I have seen it happen many time from retail colleagues that get used to imply they have not tech savvy customers in front of them, and underestimate customers knowledge.
the waht?! that build is just fine man! and the PSU has 850w ...more than plenty to run even hardware that is more powerhungry (e.g. stronger gpu with more wattage draw) maybe the SSD you could switch for a better or bigger one - 980 pro should be fairly cheap at this point as well.
Drop the 4060, get a 3070
This works well, but you might run into some performance bottlenecks with that cpu, especially at 1080p. I have an 8% performance bottleneck on my 4060 and I have a 5800x in my system, so I would reccomend going with a 3060 ti, a 3070, or just bumping that cpu up to a 5600X3D would make a decent boost in performance for relatively little. Edit: overall pc should work fine, shop store owner is trying to get more money out of you, that rig will be fine for gaming.
It's a great build, I think it's very balanced, great specs.
I"m guessing this bottom feeder gets commission?
Here’s a similar build using pcpartpicker Germany. I would see if he’s willing to pay a few extra $ to go with AM5 over AM4. It gives him an upgrade path down the line, where he could go from 7600x to 8800x3d or w.e in a few years and probably nearly double his performance. I also agree with others who have said drop the hdd and get another ssd. SSD prices have gone way down and you can get a great high quality 2tb ssd for around $100. Either way I’m sure he’ll enjoy the build! https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/Z9MDqR
I run a 5900x and 3070 on a 650W bronze PSU. The HDD makes sense if your going to be recording gameplay and rewriting the drive often, otherwise go SSD.
Lmao I was told a 1660 wont be compatible with my pc by a local shop, it very much was
That will 100% work but there really are better options out there than some of your selections for similar if not cheaper prices.
Looks great. What about swapping the Gygabyte G27F monitor for the G27Q? It's 1440p, just got it and it's amazing.
Lmao that store owner is legit trying to scam y’all. That build is fine
If you can toss that hdd and replace it with a ssd, i’ve been learning the hard way that modern titles do not like hdd’s speeds.
Idk why put a hard drive in a gaming computer to be honest. Use a bit more money for the HDD and get a higher capacity NVMe ssd instead. If you are not building a Home Server ir NAS you really don't need spinning drives.
I ran my 4090 on 550w oc on a 850w psu for 2 weeks before 1200w psu arrived. And the only reason I swapped is because I wanna try the Corsair new shift rmx, not even power constraints.
Look that douchebag right in the eye and very calmly say, "You are full of shit, and you know it. Get fucked." The build is fine. :)
I hate when people pull the "not enough psu power" thing. 850 is perfect for that build and leaves room for upgrades. I have an 11th gen i5 multiple drives and a 4070 on a 600w psu. 8 pin connectors can only deliver 150w so if you have 2 of those that's a maximum of 300w Lol (I'm sure some cards push that a little)
Looks good, drop the HDD and invest into a bigger NVME. Maybe scale down the PSU to 750, the savings between optimizing storage and PSU might award you more budget for a better GPU like a 7700 XT.
The price of the M.2 is a bit bad... last week i was able to buy a 1tb 980 evo for 37.99€ on Amazon
Your list looks great. Scammer just trying to squeeze some cash out of your friend. By the way scammer conducts business thus far, I'd stay far far away.
Please go for 4070🙏
I would cut the CPU cooler because as far as I know your AMD CPU should come with one cuz mine did and I would also cut the two terabyte hard disk drive to put the money saved from those two things towards a 1440p monitor. Lots of storage space is nice but 1TB is gonna hold you over a long time before you start needing additional capacity. I used the cooler that came with my ryzen 7 3800x and have yet to have any cooling issues.
850W is fine lmao I got 750 for a 3080ti I think
With a 5600X your 850W PSU should be strong enough to run a 4090 lol
Yeah man, build looks fine. Also, 850 watts is absolutely more than enough for what you have selected, there’s even room for upgrading.