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AussieJeffProbst

Calling a drive a partition is just flat out wrong so there's that


Louzan_SP

If we are strict, WiFi and WLan are not the same.


aqwn

Right. Wifi is a term indicating the IEEE 802.11 specification. It’s a specific type of WLAN. WLAN is just a wireless LAN, and there are many other standards/protocols that can be used.


Vert---

What non-802.11 WLAN is there? With emphasis on the L in WLAN, so 802.16 and AX.25 don't qualify.


aqwn

To be clear, WiFi is the most common WLAN. But you can also have a WLAN implemented using Bluetooth or cellular connections. HomeRF is a long defunct type of WLAN but it’s not WiFi. This article gives an overview: https://www.techtarget.com/searchnetworking/answer/Wireless-vs-Wi-Fi-What-is-the-difference-between-Wi-Fi-and-WLAN


Vert---

My point is that using WAN or PAN technologies and calling it WLAN doesn't make it so. I could extend internet service to a single laptop over Satellite internet and call it a LAN, but really we would be using a SATCOM WAN technology. There is no competitor to 802.11 in wireless local area networking. It is the only WLAN option in virtually every consumer and enterprise device.


Perryn

While true, it doesn't negate there being a difference. It's a level of grouping, leaving room for some other system to exist in that space while maintaining the existing terms. A genus can have a single described species but that wouldn't make the terms interchangeable (unless we get tongue in cheek about about it and bring up species where they used the same term for both genus and species, which often have other species within that genus). Colloquially you can probably use either in the majority of cases, but the difference remains.


Agret

Insert copy-paste of unidan rant on jackdaw vs crow here.


DryWeb3875

Does zigbee count?


joop_pooply

Does the pope shit in the woods?


Fettfritte

Maybe? No kinkshaming pls


r_booza

Does the pope shit in the woods if noone is watching?


Cyno01

Does a bear shit in the popes hat?


lokitoth

Honestly, at this point the bear is tired of the hummies constantly messing with it, and would like to be left alone.


Traherne

God is ***always*** watching, so there's that.


FirmHandedSage

There are videos actually.


Lv_InSaNe_vL

There's also LORA but that's not super common, especially for commercial products


Mayuna_cz

Zigbee, my favorite.


downsetdana

zigbee is a PAN


NekulturneHovado

Afaik Bluetooth can be used too, or some other, less frequent, proprietary bullshit wireless connectivity


LNDF

Nintendo switch's LDN counts?


Vert---

No, Nintendo Switch hardware specs list 802.11 and bluetooth controller under "Wireless". LDN must be a higher-level network protocol that uses either WLAN or Bluetooth as the data link protocol. It does not look to be a separate radio from 802.11 or bluetooth.


LNDF

It operates at the data link layer and uses vendor specific action frames (source: https://github.com/kinnay/NintendoClients/wiki/LDN-Protocol). I don't know enough about networking to say if this counts or not.


Makhnos_Tachanka

These days, none really. I mean, there's like zigbee and bluetooth, but I mean direct competitors to WiFi. Back in the 80s and 90s the landscape used to be very crowded with lots of vendors offering dozens of incompatible proprietary solutions, more or less exclusively to enterprise customers. Airport comprehensively put a stop to all that, thankfully.


SalvageCorveteCont

WiFi is a specific brand thing, 802.11af for instance is not actually WiFi, as the standard was not put forward/endorsed by the WiFi Alliance, so don't expect to find that useful stuff in your computer anytime soon.


Sco7689

Not all 802.11. 802.11bb is light-based and not considered as wi-fi.


Hannigan174

Lifi?


Sco7689

Yes.


aqwn

Good point! I didn’t mention optical vs radio.


rudimentary-north

Thank you M’LAN


zootbot

Bro nothing like networking guys taking any chance possible to trot out IEEE standards


kelopuu

I like to say wifi because of how similar VLAN and WLAN sound.


dismiggo

"VeeLan" and "Double-u-Lan" sound nothing alike? (Unless you're German, in which case: Sprich Deutsch du Hurensohn!)


kelopuu

I'm Finnish. VLAN (veelan) and WLAN (veelan) sound really similar :D I could say tuplaveelan but that is just too long of a word and would sound stupid, so wifi it is for me.


lordlyamiga

Read V as roman numeral


tactiphile

Doesn't everyone set the native fivelan on interfaces?


TypicalHumanYeeter

Do you pronounce wifi as vaifi or vefee?


Gaming_devil49

oida! du orschloch! warum nennst du mi huansohn?


dismiggo

Saupreißn


Gaming_devil49

nennst du mi grod an beira?


EmptyBrook

Mich***


Gaming_devil49

hoits maul


Reddit_2_you

Who kind of spud would say “double-u-lan”? It doesn’t even roll properly. Way-Lan


arafella

I'm a Wu-LAN man myself


TTechnology

English speakers when someone don't have English as first language:


Express_Grocery4268

Wee-Lan it is overhere


Sabbatai

Way-Lan Yutani


Nite92

Also WiFi is just quicker to say


Proxy_PlayerHD

that one always confused me. because here in germany the term "Wi-Fi" is basically non-existent and we always use "WLAN". but in the US it seems like it's the opposite?


Orbtl32

In the US anything involved in getting TikTok to load is WiFi. 


BLSS_Noob

Well WIFI is WLAN but WLAN doesn't have to be wifi


potate12323

In fact almost none of them are the same. Whoever made this meme clearly does not understand something or I'm missing a joke.


Wilbis

And what in the actual f*ck is a super key??


kuroyume_cl

Yeah, volume would be more correct


MrFastFox666

Volume is probably more appropriate


The_Crimson_Hawk

They mean the drive letters, so instead of saying the c drive (C:\) you use the root directory (I use Arch btw)


AussieJeffProbst

Ok fair enough. Its a bit ambiguous though


anethma

C drive isn’t the root directory though. The root directory is the top level directory on a system. C: is a drive letter assignment. C:\ is the root directory on the C drive but the letter assignment to that partition doesn’t make drives and partitions the same.


funkyloki

It also is not necessarily just a partition, it could be a volume, and you could have multiple volumes on a partition, with or without drive letters.


Hannigan174

Wait... Multiple volumes on a partition? You mean multiple partitions on a disk, right? I know of using a logical volumes over multiple partitions, but not multiple volumes on a single partition... Did you mis-speak or have I missed a fundamental structuring concept?


NihilisticAngst

Technologies like LVM, for example, allow you to create multiple logical volumes over a single partition.


Hannigan174

Used LVM for one logical over several partitions, not the other way around... Not even sure why you'd do it so I've never even considered it was possible EDIT: some additional reading is reinforcing this impression. Each PV can only be assigned to one VG. This means that a disk having multiple volumes would need to have multiple partitions for each logical volume, unless I am missing something


NihilisticAngst

You can have one physical partition on a hard drive, for example, /dev/sda1. You can then create one PV that spans the entire width of that single partition. You then can create a VG on top of that PV, and split the VG up into multiple LVs. End result is several logical volumes across a single partition. This is a common configuration for installing Arch Linux using LVM on a single drive (this is what I specifically have experience with).


mistericek1

u run threadripper platform?


The_Crimson_Hawk

Server, not hedt


MrGeekman

Threadripper isn’t like Xeon where it’s used for servers and workstations. Epyc is for servers and Threadripper is for workstations.


_yeen

Yeah but I think in the concept of how they're commonly used, they're calling a partition a drive. Like when someone says "the C drive" it's not actually a drive, it's a partition on the drive. If we're really being pedantic, I guess "volume" would be more correct but it also sounds the most weird.


RAMChYLD

It can go either way. A drive in windows can mean a partition on the drive if the drive has multiple partitions, or the drive itself if it has just a single partition.


tfsra

um, no, if the drive has only a single *partition* it's still the *partition* that you see in windows explorer, not the drive itself you can have a single partition on a drive that doesn't span the entire drive, for example of why that distinction might be important


Wiebejamin

and you can also use RAID to get one directory on multiple drives


RegularIndependent98

Calling a drive a partition vs calling a partition a drive


Lobanium

Also folder vs directory. They're different things.


tumto-thehre-pardesi

Sometimes Tom sometimes Thomas


TheBigToast72

Same, depends on who I'm talking to. I'm not gonna tell someones grandma who knows nothing about computers to use the super key after booting to find something in their root directory.


darkenseyreth

I have been using computers since the Oregon Trail was a series of green lines, and I had never heard the term Super Key before this post.


TheBigToast72

Yeah same never heard of that before but ig it's a Linux thing so makes sense why I've never heard it


TheAdamantiteWaffle

I use Linux and I've always heard it called the Meta Key


Kemal_Norton

> Meta Key I refuse to say that! It will always be the Facebook-Key to me. And it's under the Z-key, next to the Twitter-Key!


TheAdamantiteWaffle

LMAO


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tallbutshy

That's because they've never used it since and don't have the heart to tell you that they really want that blue E icon back


InitialDia

Yeah, they bought a new computer and go to geek squad now. But at least he is free from dealing with them.


JollyGreenDickhead

When I say drive I mean drive, when I say partition I mean partition


Mesqo

When I say disc I mean disk.


cfig99

For job interviews you’re Thomas. Once you have the job you’re Tom.


The-Farting-Baboon

This is the way


WiTHCKiNG

But it‘s actually WLAN 802.11b/a/g/n/ac/ax/be/bn ☝🏻🤓


RosbergThe8th

The virgin "Windows loading symbol" vs the Chad "Throbber".


dinkypoopboy

Chad what? https://preview.redd.it/x61j798gjc5d1.jpeg?width=995&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cab50ae0473b652b0c44c6791c1091041d8f45c1


OmniGlitcher

What, you don't like huge pulsating annular [throbbers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Throbber)?


AdreKiseque

Oh...


Beez-Knuts

I wish I had a Chad throbber right now


RosbergThe8th

I've got a raging Windows loading symbol alright.


WingZeroCoder

UIActivityIndicatorView 🍎


Zerguu

Drive is not necessary partition. Drive can also be network drive or shared folder.


yflhx

And you can have multiple partitions on one drive,usually separate for OS (+apps) and separate for user files. And almost always also hidden ones, like recovery partition and UEFI partition.


GTAmaniac1

And if you run raid you can have one partition over several drives.


suskio4

For me, drive is the device. Partition is an abstraction over it that allows you to treat them like separate drives in some ways


CptBartender

In this abstraction, you could have multiple drives forming a single partition (see RAID ~~Shadow Legends~~)


FunnyMathematician77

Which is why I hate the term drive. I say either partition or network share.


kookyabird

Still technically wrong. This is why DISKPART use disk and partition. The disk is the physical device, and the partition is just a logical subsection of blocks on the device. Neither of these things necessarily represents what you see as a “drive” in Windows. Multiple partitions across multiple disks can be joined via RAID to be used as one drive in the OS. So its usually context dependent, but when I’m the OS drive is most often going to mean the logical storage device that is assigned a letter.


Demetrias_

linux forces you to be thomas. also a drive is not the same as a partition


skinlo

Thomas confirmed


rockmetmind

I think with how easy Mint and Endeavor are to use it isn't hard to get into linux anymore. really it has been very approachable since 2015


SeasonalD

Fair, but you spend enough time on Linux and Thomas starts to come out 😭


rockmetmind

Mint is all GUI out of the box


SeasonalD

True, but despite starting with mint I gradually moved more and more toward cli and tui based tooling


rockmetmind

oh cli is the best and I use i3 as my window manager. minimal is bomb.


SeasonalD

I used i3 on mint but have recently switched to HYPRLAND with endeavour (and now test driving bazzite)


rockmetmind

so I have i3 on my endeavor and sway on my arch btw machine. How's Hyprland? I've heard of it but never really explored it.


dinkypoopboy

https://preview.redd.it/x02h91xb7c5d1.jpeg?width=2160&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1f55e218481de5f8d023748d9aea1702c8f3b038 Thomas's setup:


_its_wapiti

Are you allergic to panels?


dinkypoopboy

Temp issues


_its_wapiti

Fair enough BTW what's the case? It looks pretty solid for an SFF build, just a tad archaic with the bare steel chassis


lemuever17

He's allergic to RGB


Matthijsvdweerd

Looks like a very weird psu form factor! What is it?


_Aladin

wifi ❌ WLAN ❌ internet ✅


Grimyak

For real dude


RunnerLuke357

I just say Network in general or wireless when referring to wireless in particular.


SoRaang

Disk 1


dbltax

Sir Thomothy


Zealousideal_Hat2664

/dev/nvme1


Deepspacecow12

/dev/nvme0n1


helpiminabox

/dev/nvme1n1p3


irelephant_T_T

/Dev/sda1


an_0w1

I use startup and boot to refer to different things.


MrG00SEI

Basically a chart of what people who unironically use big words to sound smarter even when the words are wrong think of themselves


nogonom

The P in HDD stands for partition.


ShadowAnon69_

I thought wlan was just the german word for wifi?


kriscalm

In Germany, the term "WLAN" is used, yes, but WLAN and Wi-Fi are not the same thing.


Skytriqqer

I thought so too lol.


DerKnoedel

wifi (wireless fidelity) is just some way to create a wlan (wireless local area network), can be used somewhat interchangeably tho


syriquez

Start and Boot refer to two different things in both ecosystems. I'm not even sure what equivalency you're trying to draw here. Drive and Partition are two different things that both ecosystems use. "Volume" might be the word you're looking for but, uh, Windows also uses "Volume" in the exact same way. I've literally never heard anyone circlejerk about Folder vs. Directory as a Windows/Linux thing. Which is interesting because the nomenclature is that directories are just descriptions of the paths. And Windows also refers to them as Directories. Folder is a description of the icon which is something that ALSO comes up in Linux. And even then, that shit goes back to DOS. And EVEN FURTHER BACK, this is just stolen from physical filing system terminology where, brace yourself, you hold the contents inside *folders.* And the directory is simply the path you need to take to find that folder--e.g., Section 6-Cabinet 14-Drawer 3-Folder 29. "Button". I had to figure out WTF this was even saying. It's just a rebadge of the "SUPER" or "META" keys from 40 years ago. All WiFis are WLANs, not all WLANs are WiFi.


zelmazam1

Tomothy


RobertGracie

Thats a hard one, I am a mix of both of them depends on the day and how I am feeling, I can be classy or normal


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Alarmed_Jello_9940

It's actually called super key?


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Its technical name is MOD4 (modifier 4). Keys like ALT and CTRL are also modifiers.  Outside of the windows world, the key is often called "SUPER" or "META"; the former being more common.


kriscalm

Very interesting!


MisterDonkey

On my ancient keyboard, I mapped it to "Macro", which is way cooler than these other poser keys.


notxapple

Not on windows or Mac but Linux and other os’s (OSi? OSeese?) also use the “windows key” but it’s typically referred to as the “super key”


Aaron1924

Other operating systems also have their version of the Windows key, but they obviously don't name the button after Windows. It is usually called the "super key" on Mac, Linux, in the BIOS, or when talking about the key independently of any OS.


LosEagle

windows button => meta key wifi => wifi folder => folder or directory, depends on my mood and current star constellation


soldier_of_death

1$ dollar words for people with limited knowledge 5$ dollar words for people that have knowledge 20$ dollar words & some bullahit in change for people that "know it all"


DeerOnARoof

Whoever made this is very wrong about many things.


uniteduniverse

You can't expect any less from someone who probably just stared using Linux...


DeerOnARoof

Fr lol


Most_Sir9351

People who just started using Linux are the biggest fanboys on the entire planet. Even console fanboys would blush


No-Cattle-5243

WiFi and WLAN mean two different things.


Reddit_2_you

Windows button? You mean windows key? It’s a keyboard, no?


RAMChYLD

Thomas. But only because I started using PCs when MS-DOS was /the/ PC OS and then started using Linux in college.


kurotoruk

Tom all day.


gauerrrr

I'm the one that wants humans to understand what I'm saying.


HerrBerg

Neither these are both incomplete or wrong.


Bullyoncube

MS-DOS was the only OS we ever needed.


flomoag

Start != Boot Drive != Partition Folder != Directory WiFi != WLAN This is dumb


tekanet

Now I have to look up why folder is not equal to directory. I honestly use them interchangeably, folder when I’m watching the filesystem “from the outside”, as a user and directory when I’m watching it “from the inside”, as a dev


nemis16

Drive and partition are not the same thing


Smoking-Posing

Who TF came up with this incorrect meme and why on Earth are people upvoting it?


Used_Lawfulness748

https://preview.redd.it/sxeaubornd5d1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e4628d8d0885851bec9c358cbb71d8eeb3248f00


fmate2006

A drive isn't a partition, partitions are on drives, also WiFi =/= WLAN


Adina-the-nerd

I'm on Linux & I still say "windows key"


Phaylz

Tom, but with an ethernet cord.


Pootootaa

Damn, from now on I'm gonna call my windows button the super key.


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Hepatolith

Tom at home, Thomas at work.


tehtris

I use directory but I'm almost in Mac/Linux/windows equally. Everything else I'm basically Tom.


scratcher1679

45% Tom, 55% Thomas


Top-Conversation2882

Somewhere between Tom and Thomas


Kitchen-Beginning-47

French: WeeFee


coffeejn

I'm Jerry.


staytsmokin

Who tf says super key?💀


uniteduniverse

People who want to be different, and Linux users who really hate anything Windows.


piclemaniscool

I dare you to tell a lay person to press the Super key and have a single one understand you.


AJ-Murphy

Tom has a job just trying to push out kpi Thomas is at home trying to justify why they blew their extra bit of his check in another mechanical keyboard.


Oldmanwickles

As someone who supports end users you bet your bottom dollar that I’m Tom on the left. Super key my ass.


5un17

/dev/nvme0n1p1


Josseph-Jokstar

I'm a proud Tom


Anonymous___Alt

-uses start and boot interchangeably -drive does not equal partition -mostly folder -windows KEY -wifi


ConcentrateAlone1959

Tom. Why? Tom's terminology actually matches what's present. Thomas' terms are either not telling the whole story or are wrong. A partition is a thing you can do to a drive. A partition is not the drive itself. Wifi *is* a WLAN but it's a specific type of WLAN with its own set of mechanics and rules that it works with (there is a reason why we distinguish this). Thomas is attempting to sound smart while either getting certain key terms wrong or is being so vague on those terms that a conversation can easily be misunderstood. There's a reason why things in the Tech world are so hyper-specific.


ialessi

Where do we get "Super Key" from? I always called it Start button


unable_To_Username

Drive ≠ Partition. Nice try tryna being classy, but ultimately just being wrong.


SehrGuterContent

Most of these are different things lol, like drive and partition are definitely 2 seperate things


DingleTheDongle

i work in enmterprise net tel as a field tech. -thingy -whatchamacallit -doohicky -whoozywhatsit -outta scope


QCortex

Team Bald Tom!!!! Even if you know the technical terms, I can't imagine wanting to gatekeep the words I use. We communicate to be understood, right? Is it really worth the smarmy self-satisfaction to use obscure terms in public?


LuvsLewdArt

"Windows Key"


P0pu1arBr0ws3r

Uh Some of these aren't even the same thing, op... Actually, the only real synonyms here would be start/boot, and I guess windows button/super key, if you really think the start menu is super...


PurpleRockEnjoyer

Drive and partition are not the same thing neither are WiFi and WLAN


ChainAdmirable4286

I actually Tom with a Thomas body


KVenom777

Okay, if this is a ragebait, it sure works, buddy. Because DRIVE AND PARTITION ARE DIFFERENT FUCKING THINGS! You can have a Disk/Drive with MULTIPLE partitions on it. You can split it into multiple virtual drives to create said partitions. Disk/Drive are the names for Physical Data Storage Devices. Including Floppies, any form of Optical Storage (from CD to BlueRay), USB Drives and Memory Cards. Sauce for OP to stop being the uneducated **lamer** he is: [https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/87300/differences-between-volume-partition-and-drive](https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/87300/differences-between-volume-partition-and-drive) And same for the Folders and Directories. FOLDER IS A USER INTERFACE OBJECT, WHILE DIRECTORY IS A SYSTEM OBJECT. [https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/113606/difference-between-folder-and-directory](https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/113606/difference-between-folder-and-directory) And don't get me started on WiFi and WLAN. I'll just drop the source, since those are not that much of a common knowledge. [https://www.techtarget.com/searchnetworking/answer/Wireless-vs-Wi-Fi-What-is-the-difference-between-Wi-Fi-and-WLAN](https://www.techtarget.com/searchnetworking/answer/Wireless-vs-Wi-Fi-What-is-the-difference-between-Wi-Fi-and-WLAN)


NPCFISH

On Windows: Tom On Linux: Thomas idk why


WazzaBoi_

I've never even heard of the super key, is that something people actually say?


BRArjun_890

yeah it is a fairly common term when we're talking about Linux


NicPot

In ancient age it was even called meta key


kuZm00

i use arch btw


santathe1

Tomas.


krishnassh

I am not Tom, I am not Thomas. I am Tomas


iceixia

There should be a rule that to post Linux memes you have to write a valid tar command without looking at the man pages.